Sharks Greats : Center
Since I painstakingly stalk each and every one of the people who post on this site, I come across many good ideas here and on other SB Nation Blogs. I also know your social security numbers, but I haven't found a good use for those yet.
While doing this, I came across a fan post by our very own Marcello on McCovey Chronicles, the SB Nation Giants blog that I'm sure many of you are familiar with. He was advocating a community driven prospect list, where bloggers voted to determine a ranking of prospects and their value. It was met with huge success, so I'm stealing the essence of it.
Many of us don't necessarily know hockey prospects, so putting it to a vote would probably result in the "I'm voting for the coolest name!" effect. So I adapted the idea to put together an all-time San Jose Sharks team.
For the next few weeks, I'm going to put up player synopsises for each position on the ice, and then put it to a vote. I think we should try to fill all the positions on a traditional depth chart (4 C, LW, RW, 6 D's, 3 G's), and include some "healthy scratches" (either active or retired players who should be part of the team but not in the starting lineup) then re-evaluate the list after each season.
So, without further ado, I present the players I believe should be nominated for Sharks Great: Center. Vote for whomever you believe should be number one, and subsequent votes will determine the order of 2-4. Jump for player analysis...
Note: To be considered a "Sharks Great", you must have played parts of a minimum of three seasons with the team. (Stats are through the 2007-2008 season)
Jamie Baker: Baker, having served two stints with the Sharks over his career, is likely one of the most famous San Jose players of all time. He is remembered most for his series winning goal against the Detroit Red Wings in the 1994 Western Conference Quarterfinals. In 186 regular season games with the Sharks, he scored 62 points. In the playoffs, he added 9 points in 25 games.
Vincent Damphosse: Played 385 games from 1998-2004, scoring 289 points (92 G, 197 A). Playing 53 games in the playoffs, he scored 38 points. The Sharks made the playoffs five of the six seasons he was on the team. He served as captain for 20 games during the 2003-2004 season.
Igor Larionov: One of the greatest Russian born hockey players of all time, Larionov joined the Sharks in the 1993-1994 season and helped them to not only post a 59 point improvement in the regular season, but also defeat the Red Wings in the Stanley Cup Quarterfinals. Before being traded to the Wings in the 1995-1996 season, he amassed 82 points in 97 games and averaged more than a point per game in the playoffs.
Patrick Marleau: Drafted second overall in the 1997 NHL entry draft, Marleau has played for the Sharks over his entire NHL career (12 seasons). He is the Sharks all time leader in points, scoring 539 points in 795 regular season games. In 53 playoff games, he has scored 15 goals and 23 assits. Marleau has served as team captain from the mid season mark in 2003-2004 to present day.
Mike Ricci: Signed as a free agent from the Stanley Cup Champion Colorado Avalanche in 1997, Ricci went on to score 101 goals and 162 assists in 529 regular season games and 33 points in 47 playoff games for the Sharks. Ricci was known for his gritty style of play and was recently brought back to the Sharks to serve in the front office. He served as captain for 10 games during the 2003-2004 season.
Joe Thornton: Thornton was traded to the Sharks in the 2005-2006 season for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart, and Wayne Primeau. Thornton lead the league in assists and won the Art Ross Trophy that year, arguably turning Jonathan Cheechoo into an elite NHL scorer in the process. He is only the third player in NHL history to record consecutive 90 assist seasons, and has been named to the NHL All-Star team each year with the Sharks. All in all, he has accumulated 231 assists and 302 total points in the regular season with the Sharks.
*If you feel I have left some one out, feel free to write them in!
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I think Patrick Marleau is a complete no brainer here.
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You stole my idea, that I stole from someone else. The system works.
I went Thornton here, as much as I wanted to go Marleau. As a side note, I like how things are working out this year, with Thornton at center and Marleau on the wing. Is it possible we could have Marleau in the LW vote, even though he’s really only played a few games there? Writing that out, it sounds sort of crazy I’m realizing.
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by marcello on Nov 21, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marleau
has played 12 seasons (primarily) as a center. I’m inclined to keep him here.
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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 21, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm. It’s 2:30 AM, I’m a little drunk, and I am not just realizing who wrote this. My bad. Marleau response below, which is like Sophie’s Choice to me.
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by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 2:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the excitement Joe Thornton has brought to hockey in San Jose; you could make the case that he is the most transformative figure in Sharks history (although I would probably go with Igor Larionov due to the fact he was the first true superstar to wear teal) or that he is the most talented center the franchise has ever had. All of this are moot in my opinion once you consider Patty.
The fact he’s played his entire career in San Jose, holds countless franchise records, is a proven playoff performer (barring the Detroit series in 06-07), and has captained over our most successful period, it’s a closed book.
Patrick Marleau is not only the greatest center in Sharks history, but is the greatest player ever to skate in San Jose.
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m quite suprised at the current status of the poll…
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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 21, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the name of the Cow Palace I demand I recount!
In all honesty though, an opinion is an opinion. I can see where the Joe Thornton gang is coming from.
Maybe a little dialogue would help sooth my scathing soul- anyone out there willing to chime in?
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I look at it this way: If you had to choose one player to be your top line center, who would it be, Thornton or Marleau? Marleau has the longer career as a Shark (and is also insanely talented), but Thorton is the better player. I think it’s just two different ways of coming to a decision.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I went with Marleau because of not only his tenure, but what he means to the organization. Other players have come and gone, but Patty has always been here, playing at a high level. I do agree that Joe has more talent, but one could make a case that Marleau could be a preferable top line option if you didn’t have the wing support that Joe does.
Marleau is also a proven leader and epitomizes “Sharks Hockey”
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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 21, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wing Support
In Joe’s defense, his wing support in SJ didn’t show up until he did. The Sharks were good before Joe got here; but once he got here, we were so much better. Don’t get me wrong, I love Marleau to death. But, if you asked me to choose between Marleau or Thornton as the #1 center on a team, I would choose Thornton. It really goes back to the question of: How do you weight tenure versus talent? Marleau is an amazingly talented player, except compared to Thornton and while he’s been a Shark longer, he doesn’t have Thornton’s peak.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
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by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This poll is definitely up to interpretation, and I agree with how you came up with your conclusion. In my opinion (not meaning to bash at all, I love dialogue on this subject) if this poll was about the most talented Shark, it would be called “Most Talented Shark” not “Sharks Greats”.
Your line of reasoning makes sense. Different interpretations are obviously expected, and that doesn’t mean either one is superior to another.
After all isn’t that what sports are all about?
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sharks Greats
No worries, you’re not bashing. I don’t mind my point of view being refuted if it’s an intelligent, reasoned argument; which your is. For the vote, my position is best explained by what I just wrote above:
How do you weight tenure versus talent? Marleau is an amazingly talented player, except compared to Thornton and while he’s been a Shark longer, he doesn’t have Thornton’s peak.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Nov 22, 2008 2:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I missed this, and saw it just now through the reminder post. Definitely agree with how you came up with it- well reasoned and a solid case.
And as of now you have 39 people who agree with you too. Looks like you’ve got some disciples :)
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 24, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if greatest = best
i voted for Thornton. but i think Marleau is a true Shark and in the future when people talk about the great Sharks, Marleau will be mentioned
by idunno723 on Nov 21, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Granted,
if the voting continues this way, we will still end up with Thorton 1, Marleau 2. It says alot about the team that we had two Hall of Fame caliber players at the same time.
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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Solid Point
Hall of Fame might be jumping the gun a bit (considering the unfair accusation that Big Joe is a “playoff choke”, and Marleau has been criticized in the past for his lack of leadership qualities), but it definitely has its merits.
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't necessarily say "worthy"
I said caliber.
Jumping to the leadership point, I think that’s a product of the media. The players have never had issues following Patty, and under his captaincy they have put together a pretty impressive string of high-point seasons. I doun’t doubt his leadership at all.
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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 21, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t necessarily say “worthy.” I said caliber.
Touche :)
I agree with you on the leadership point; I think the media has a lot to do with that aspect of pegging players, and it doesn’t necessarily just apply to hockey. Steve Young was constantly bashed for not being able to perform in the playoffs as well, and then ended up being considered one of the top quarterbacks of all time.
And even if the players had an issue with following Patty (note: I don’t think so at all), it’s fairly unlikely we would ever hear about it anyways. Only so much information we can get slumped over our keyboard.
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That'll Cheech You
Looks like we/you got picked up on Illegal Curve.
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by Mr. Plank on Nov 21, 2008 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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