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Greatest Sharks: Front and Center

The votes are in! The votes are in!

I'm glad to be able to announce that the final center spot on Fear the Fin's "Greatest Sharks" team has been filled. Although initial voting was close, the run-off was won in a bit of a landslide. Out of the 72 votes cast, 56 of you chose Vincent Damphousse as the final center on the "Greatest Sharks" roster.

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Although it's hard to deny that Larionov was an extremely skilled player, I would guess that more of us remember what Damphousse did for the Sharks as it was much more recent. It could be said that Damphousse was the Sharks' Joe Thornton (lite) before they had the real Joe Thornton, as he led the team with 186 assists over his five-plus seasons in Teal. Damphousse's presence on the Sharks was the one of the key factors that led to the team’s rise to prominence in the NHL.

With the addition of Damphousse, FTF has successfully filled the first position on the “Greatest Sharks” team. Here are the winners and what I think of the selections…  

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Center, Line 1: Joe Thornton: I think that many of us would have been happy to put Patrick Marleau in this spot as well, but Joe came away with a large chunk of the vote to earn the pivot spot on the top line. Thornton oozes talent out of his eyeballs, so it’s hard to justify putting Marleau ahead of him here. Marleau is surely the “sentimental pick”, but I don’t think he’d mind taking a back seat to Joe on this team. I think that all of you would agree with me that the addition of Thornton in the 2005-2006 season changed the Sharks from a competitive team to a dominant team. If he continues his strong play into his 30’s, we can all realistically expect some Hall of Fame talk (and perhaps some deeper playoff runs) in the future.

Center, Line 2: Patrick Marleau: On many other teams, Marleau would have been the hands down pick for first line center. He’s been the (humble) face of the franchise since he was selected 2nd overall in the 1997 NHL entry draft. Although many have doubted his leadership ability, he has successfully served as captain since the 2003-2004 season. What else has Marleau done? Well, he’s the Sharks all-time leader in points, goals, and assists for starters (although Thornton is hot on his trail, as far as assists go). Another interesting point… he’s played with every other center on this team; I’d say that Marleau is the glue that holds this team, the current Sharks, together. Trading him would have been one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history; I thank every religious deity possible (daily) that the trade rumors never came to fruition. Sharks fans have been lucky to be able to watch Marleau mature into one of the best players in the NHL.

Center, Line 3: Mike Ricci: This was an interesting choice in my opinion. There are pros and cons to having Ricci on this team, and I’d support someone’s point of view from either side. Pros: Ricci is the epitome of “grit”, he defines tough. His play served as a catalyst for the Sharks over many seasons; he was known for going all out, all the time. From 1997 to 2004, Ricci evolved into one of the most proficient defensive centers in the game, and helped the Sharks reach the Western Conference finals for the first time in 2004.  Cons: Although Ricci was a noted scorer earlier in his career (he scored 5 goals in one game against the Sharks in the 1993-1994 season), he never recaptured his offensive prowess while in San Jose. Ricci would only score 101 goals while in Teal, averaging less than half a point a game. It’s hard to justify the inclusion of Ricci (at least from an offensive standpoint) while Larionov is denied. That being said, I support the choice if we’re trying to build the best “all around” team. If we’re just looking for scorers, we could have gone elsewhere. However, when I think of the Sharks of old (you know, the 90’s) I always think of Ricci first. That says a lot.

Center, Line 4: Vincent Damphousse: I think I covered Damphousse pretty well above, so I won’t go into too much detail here. I’m really glad he made the squad; he’s one of my all time favorite Sharks and a notoriously good guy. Congrats Vinny.

So that leaves us with the players who didn’t make it: Jamie Baker and Igor Larionov. I’d support adding them to the roster at a later date; Larionov deserves at least a little recognition. And even if Baker doesn’t make the team, his famous goal will always live on as one of the greatest moments in Sharks’ history.

Feel free to comment on the winners below, I love the discussion these kinds of topics bring. Comment starter: Was Ricci deserving of selection?

Look forward to next week, when we continue with the forwards. Chuckle chuckle. Right Wing is next... vote early and often!

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Well, in all fairness, Ricci wasn’t really “selected” to the team. He just came in third on the initial poll. I imagine a lot of the people who voted for Thornton or Marleau, would have voted for Larionov or Damphousse over Ricci.

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by marcello on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

But at the same time, we didn’t want to drag out the voting too much. In a perfect world, we would have selected Thornton, and then held a whole new vote with the remaining players. That would have taken a while.

Although this method isn’t perfect, it’s a good way to start. I’m pretty happy with the results.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I understand the time issue. These things can get dragged WAAAY out, and then they lose their appeal and people lose interest.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Dec 12, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have anywhere else to be?

/looks around/…/starts internal dialogue/…Should I have somewhere to be? Nawww, back to Minesweeper and waiting for new polls to come up on FTF.

by WillR on Dec 12, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone was ready

for 10 polls on the center topic. Even if we have nothing to do. Haha.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Who else just loves that pic of Phoosey?

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry,

but ricci doesn’t belong on this roster, I mean I love the guy, but not as the 3rd best center, come on now people.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 2:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Any reason why?

Who would you prefer?

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

forgot we are talking about centers here and not the best players.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Phousse is on the team, and Nolan was a Right Wing, not a center.

Ricci adds something to this team that Larionov wouldn’t. He’s a better defensive player, and he adds some heart to this game. We can’t have a ton of people who score here… we’re making the best all around team.

Also, Larionov had his best moments on the Red Wings, does’t really yell “Greatest Shark” to me. Ricci defined what it meant to be a Shark.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No I can’t. But this team isn’t just about the best players… it’s about the “Greatest” Sharks. That could mean different things to different people.

I picked Marleau over Thornton… even though Thornton is a better player, when I think Greatest Sharks’ Center, I think Marleau.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's your opinion then...

But If I were to put Guerin down for Right Wing, would you pick him over Cheechoo? Or Selanne over Nolan?

I’m just saying, this team is up to interpretation. To me, not having Ricci on the roster would be criminal. I never said he was better than Larionov. And to awnser your question…the minimum number of seasons for inclusion was 3, and Larionov barely skated in to the poll. I think that even though Larionov was better, Ricci is a better pick for this team. I appreciate you are picking based on skill, but not everyone is going to agree with you on that. adragon explains my reasoning pretty well:

We have all seen what a team with tons of "talent" but no heart, (grit) does in the playoffs.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How right wing is seriously packed.

I agree that Ricci does deserve a roster spot, I was surprised that Larionov made the requirements. The right wing position should be interesting on how the voting goes down.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m seeing Nolan, Selanne, Cheechoo, Faloon, Odgers, Korolyuk, and Sundstrom (he’s kind of a hybrid).

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is hard to say who will get the nod as Thortons linemate,

my guess is Nolan will get it just because he is such the recent player, once again a debate opens up between him and Selanne.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Ricci is the right choice

1) Nolan is not a center
2) Vinni is on the team
3) We have all seen what a team with tons of “talent” but no heart, (grit) does in the playoffs. I think you have the right mix on this team.

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by adragon on Dec 12, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I gave pros and cons above, this argument could go both ways.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a better player, and thats what we are trying to decide here.

If you want to make a minimum games played or something like that, I’m cool with that. Larionov only played like a couple seasons for the sharks, so I can see what you are saying about Ricci, but that still doesn’t make him a better player.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said above...

“Greatest Shark” can mean whatever you want it to. It doesn’t have to revolve around skill alone.

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a mix of skill, tenure, importance to the team, leadership ability, interaction with the fans, love for the franchise, style of play… the list goes on.

It would be to easy to put this together if we were voting on skill alone… the discussion is what makes topics like this great. I’m glad you have your own point of view, and I laid out your apprehensions for adding Ricci in the story itself before you even commented. Just have fun with it ;).

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If that is what it is meant to be than Ricci, is the guy.

He certainly fulfills all those characteristics and is one of the sharks most recognizably and loved players. I was just trying to point out from a skill standpoint he is not the best option.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely noted, and I agree with you!

I’m glad that we have dissenting opinions, that’s the whole point of this thing!

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I personally didn't even think Larionov deserved to make the cut,

hell I even voted for Damphousse over him in the last poll.

by mattman on Dec 12, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When will the voting on the wings start?

Or did I miss it?

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by adragon on Dec 12, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Next week!

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by That'll Cheech You on Dec 12, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Korky

Holy Cow! I had forgotten about him. How I’d have loved to see him grow with the Sharks. That boy had WHEELS!

by Dave Valentine on Dec 12, 2008 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WOW!!!

The Sharks have had some good players play in SJ.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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