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Everyone needs something to talk about down at the water cooler, so here's stuff to discuss before the game Monday in Dallas... plus our poll!

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Topic The First

What EXACTLY was wrong with Todd McLellan's face in St. Louis?  Me - I'm sticking with my theory that Ron Wilson's nefarious agents of vengeful darkness caught our Boy Wonder in the shadows.  (Psst... Toronto had an off-day Saturday... it all makes sense)  KindaFantastic thinks it's a Christmas present gone awry.  Thoughts?

 

Topic The Second = The Standings (a 2-part tale)

Part 1 = The President's Trophy Runoff (in which we hope to not sound like pompous, arrogant bastards so presumptuous to think we'll even get to the playoffs)

It's not going to be a secret for much longer if our boys don't do something = the Sharks are in danger of slipping away in the NHL's overall standings, as the Boston Bruins are just 2 points behind Team Teal (no games in hand), following a 4-2 victory over Carolina on Saturday. 

A Boston victory tomorrow against Atlanta (unfortunately, that's virtually a given exactly what happened) means that the Sharks MUST win (or get yet another O.T. point) against Dallas tomorrow night if they are to keep ahead of Joe Thornton's old team.

The plus side to all this (should it amount to anything)?  How sweet would a Sharks-Bruins Stanley Cup Final be?  Just think of the subplots...  Plus, direct flights from the Bay Area!

The most significant downside to this development (should San Jose and Boston actually meet in the Finals)? 

Home ice advantage cannot be overstated.  ESPECIALLY if the series goes to 7 games. 

Fun fact for the water cooler = 14 Stanley Cup Finals have gone to 7 games.  TWELVE of those 14 were won by the team with home ice advantage (if you must know, the two teams that defied the odds were the 1945 Maple Leafs and the 1971 Canadiens).  IF (yep, still a big if) the Sharks get to the Finals (Earl Sleek's translation - Past the second round), this is something to be aware of.

Part 2 = Who to root for during the Winter Classic

This might seem like a no-brainer ("MR. K., YOU'RE A ****IN' MORON IF YOU SAY ROOT FOR DETROIT!"  ...he hears you collectively say), but it's actually more complicated than it seems.

Observe the standings.  Yes, Detroit has 51 points while Chicago has 45... but Chicago has 3 games in hand.  Chicago plays Minnesota tomorrow (large potential for victory), while Detroit plays again on December 30 and January 1... AGAINST CHICAGO. 

Dual Blackhawks victories (and the one against the Wild), and PRESTO - Chicago will be tied with Detroit in points (though Detroit will still be in 2nd, due to their slight lead in wins). Update = I suck, and forgot that Chicago would officially be second, considering they would have 2 games in hand still.  Whoopsie.

Also consider = Chicago is 9-0-1 in their last ten games, while Detroit gained just 1 point out of their last 2 games, after falling in regulation to divisional rival Nashville on Friday, and losing in overtime to arch-nemesis Colorado on Saturday.  They are now 6-3-1 in their last ten games.

 

Topic The Third = The Dallas Stars' (Potentially Dangerous) Comeback

The difference a win could make for the Big D... for their football team, it's everything.  For their hockey team... well, let's take a look, shall we?

The Stars are a lowly 13th in the Western Conference, with 35 points in 34 games; they're ahead of only Columbus and St. Louis in the Western Conference. 

BUT - and that's a sizeable "but" - the Stars are just TWO POINTS shy of an 8th seed.  Ridiculous, no?

And here's more fear-mongering for ya = the Stars (who have 9 points in their last 5 games) could be tied for 9th place by Monday evening.  Aside from gathering two points against the Sharks (UPDATE - You didn't really think that would happen, did ya?) here's what would need to happen in the meantime:

  • Chicago would need to beat Minnesota on Sunday (see above for more).  UPDATE = Chicago - 4, Minnesota - 1.  Step One - check.
  • Edmonton would need to beat Nashville in regulation on Sunday (this would propel the 12th seeded Oilers higher temporarily, but would keep the Predators from rising out of reach).  UPDATE = Edmonton - 5, Nashville - 2.  Step Two - check.
  • Minnesota would need to lose to Calgary on Monday.  Wait, I hear you say = another Wild loss is necessary in this b.s. equation?  Hey, they're 3-6-1 now 2-7-1 in their last 10... just sayin'.  UPDATE = Calgary - 2, Minnesota - 1.  Step Three - check.  A shame it doesn't matter now for Dallas...
  • Columbus needs to beat L.A. on Monday... even if it's in overtimeUPDATE = Columbus - 2, L.A. - 0.  Step Four - check.
  • HOLY FRICKIN' CRAP = Everything went along perfectly... except for the Stars losing to the Sharks.  Whoopsie - there went that...

The one sure thing keeping the Stars from actually getting to a playoff seed by Monday evening (besides our boys)?  The Nashville / Colorado matchup on Monday.  Both teams stand in Dallas' way of an 8th seed pre-New Years.

 

Topic the Fourth = Cheechoo

Hmmm... a three-game point streak.  First goal last night since October 18... While on a line with Joe Thornton and Mike Grier?  Interesting...

Keep it up, Jonathan, and you might just stay with the only team you've known past March 4th, 2009.  Here's hoping you do.

 

Topic the Fifth = Place Your Bets on Mitchell, Place Your Bets!

With Milan Michalek back in the lineup, the Sharks are starting to look healthier (even if J.R. is out indefinitely... though by his own admission to Drew Remenda and Randy Hahn, he gave the pep-talk that inspired Cheech's goal tonight).  Which leads us to the biggest loss to injury that the Sharks have managed to deal with = that of Torrey Mitchell.

As you no doubt recall, Torrey Mitchell broke two bones in his leg during pre-season practice in September.  Thankfully, he has been back skating, and should be back in the lineup before too long...

But when exactly?  Do you feel lucky? [insert Clint Eastwood quote here] 

Attached is our poll - bragging rights encouraged upon successful prediction.  Poll is open to employees of Fear the Fin, their relatives and next of kin, AND Kurtis Foster

 

Enjoy your time back at work, people... before getting Thursday off to watch the Winter Classic (uh, unless it's delayed).

Poll
Which game will be Torrey Mitchell's first of the season?
January 9 @ Edmonton, or January 10 @ Vancouver
2 votes
January 13 vs. Tampa Bay, or January 15 vs. Calgary
16 votes
January 17 vs. Detroit, or January 20 vs. Vancouver
14 votes
An earlier date (it's a miracle!)
2 votes
A later date (cut it out with the voodoo doll, Kurtis Foster!)
6 votes

40 votes | Poll has closed

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1) Todd McLellan obviously had too many ciders at the Christmas celebration and fell face first on the table. Although KindaFantastic’s idea makes sense. Those Jack In The Boxes sure can pack a wallop.

2) Not to be a downer Mr. K (hey, the weather has got me in an awful mood) but all this talk about the President’s trophy and Stanley Cup playoff matchups seem like bad freaking karma to me. We’re not even halfway through the season, and it all seems a little presumptuous…..

I did have to spell check “presumptuous” though, so what do I know.

3) I’m going to touch upon it on Monday, but the Stars look dangerous. I haven’t had the pleasure of watching any of their games the last two weeks (why my parents don’t have Center Ice I have no idea), but it seems like they will be making a solid run a la 2007-2008.

4) Cheers for Cheech!

5) Whoah, Mitchell has been out this year? Had no idea ;)

Seriously though, I’m really looking forward to having him back in the lineup. It’s going to give our bottom pairings a whole lot of speed that we’ve been lacking, and contribute to an already excellent penalty kill. Pumped.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 28, 2008 2:57 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed on point #2

Wait, what the… I wrote that?

I shall now apply a subtle edit! Because I’m not as proud and boastful as I might appear!

Fear the Fin: Because our day jobs are overrated.

by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll admit

to being a tad bit squeemish over Boston’s point total. However, I think it’s important to remember there is a LOT of season left. They’ve been on a very hot streak as of late (8-0) and will undoubtedly cool off a bit. Just like another team we’re all so fond of. As to Dallas. I think it’s way too early to be worrying about the seeds. Dallas WILL be in the playoffs. I’m thinking 5th or 6th, in that area.

As to Coach’s facial injury. C’mon guys. He’s got boys in the pre teen ages. Let your imagination run with the various presents that could be thrown across a room in the pre dawn hours of Christmas morning.

Mr P…you’ve got to hold out. That’s how I get my son to visit….Center Ice.

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 3:02 AM PST reply actions  

Top of the

Morning to ya, Dave. Armed with Lysol still? ;-)

Your thoughts about Dallas strengthen my point. I wholeheartedly agree that there’s a lot of hockey to be had… but the best time to do something about it is in the present, no?

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

agree that now is the time. I posted a while back that our schedule in February is brutal. If we can come away over .500 on those two road stretches I’ll be mollified, if not satisfied.

Yes, so far so good….but it’s early

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Take a look at Boston’s December schedule too. Not a whole lot of playoff teams in that mix. As for Dallas, 5 or 6 sounds about right to me. Morrow’s injury is going to be a huge blow down the stretch, but there’s no way in hell Turco craps himself like he has done repeatedly thus far.

And I can’t hold out. My mom’s chicken cacciatore makes the visit worthwhile, but damn I am dying inside with the lack of NHL coverage. Hell, I missed the NHL Network bit on Dan Rusanowsky Mr. K informed us of earlier today. Bad times. I’m guessing it was “Voices”?

You being up so early makes me feel like a total lush for going out and drinking with my friends tonight.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 28, 2008 3:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

It was “Voices.” Good history lesson – I had forgotten about Rusanowsky’s car crash. Great seeing the playoff series goals again (and not on YouTube) – Calgary, Detroit, et al.

I’ve now hidden the notice about the link – I put it on the front page so people would be more inclined to turn on their TVs, but since it’s past, I hid it just now. Mr. Plank’s link still works, however.

Fear the Fin: Because our day jobs are overrated.

by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:21 AM PST up reply actions  

That would have been such a great one to see too- hopefully it shows up on Youtube sometime in the future. I know they replay them as well, but I’m not certain if I’ll be back home in time to catch it (they run for about a week correct?). Woe is me.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 28, 2008 3:27 AM PST up reply actions  

By the way

Where are you right now? Northern CA, or did you go to MN after all?

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I do a pretty good lasagna myself

So, if worse comes to worse, you can always crash in the guest room

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Shoot, sorry Dave...

I tweaked the poll a little, and it skewed your response (not to blow your cover, or anything). Vote again if / when possible.

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Will do

I’d love to see him back sooner. I just can’t see that leg being ready to go full tilt for 60 minutes in less than a month. I hope I’m wrong. You fellas being up late is kinda cool….hardly ever get to talk with ya

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 3:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It won't let me

vote again Mr K. When I reload the page it just shows the results. You can just go add my vote there if you want. It’ll probably be the only one.

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 AM PST reply actions  

Ok, which one

Do you want now?

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I guess it’s obvious.

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Done!

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Sadly...

Time for bed… though I’m really wide awake right now, I need to be up by 7:30 PST.

How’s the weather in SC, Dave? I miss Charleston… only place I’ve spent time in there, though I’ve driven through Columbia on my way to Charlotte.

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 AM PST reply actions  

almost

60, at 7am. Supposed to be 70 today with 50 percent chance of rain. I’m in Lexington, on Lake Murray, just west of Columbia. Lived in the East Bay (Antioch) and Napa for 32 years
Go to bed…hell, it’s LATE back there.

by Dave Valentine on Dec 28, 2008 4:08 AM PST reply actions  

I’m due for a miracle, I want to see Torrey Mitchell NOW

"Gotta suck for the other teams. You finally catch the Sharks on an off night and you still lose." -Shark Man

by idunno723 on Dec 28, 2008 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

Back to work?

Don’t remind me…

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by Matthew_Taylor on Dec 28, 2008 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Um, gee, er...

;-) Not saying that we should, just letting y’all know the danger of Chicago.

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by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

gotta love the copy and paste

aaand, huh? danger of chicago? didn’t we beat them twice? ignore the whole one goal victory thing, wins are wins. and well, against detroit…..

by serrapadre716 on Dec 29, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly - one goal games

Wins are wins – and they’re especially irreversible in the playoffs. We essentially had a 3-goal lead in our first matchup (they scored with 30 seconds left), and pretty much just gave up for the 6-0 blowout after being down 2-0 early. Our Detroit matchups offer a bigger spread, but those Chicago games are sphincter-tight… we face them twice more in the regular season, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up on the win-side of that one-goal margin.

Fear the Fin: Because our day jobs are overrated.

by Mr. K. on Dec 29, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

sooo

when we face detroit, flip a coin and loser gets blown out?

when we face chicago, flip a coin and loser loses by one?

by serrapadre716 on Dec 29, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It sure would seem like it! Weird…

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by Mr. K. on Dec 29, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

mitchell comes back against detroit

him and grier score 2 goals on the penalty kill. joe thornton turns into a monster after remembering the last game detroit played against them and goes wild with 5 assists. and as usual for me, pavelski scores the first goal in every period and in the shootout and the sharks win 8-7.

by serrapadre716 on Dec 28, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Topic the second

Atlanta? Seriously? Then again, I’m sure B’s fans looking out West thought it would be an automatic 2pts for the Sharks when they faced the Blues. Anything could happen, right? (Do you believe in…Kovalchuk?)

As for Mitchell, I think they may try and squeak him into the line up for a few short shifts against the Tampa Bay Saws

I'm a happy seal

by SwisherThresher on Dec 28, 2008 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

Kovalchuk to Minnesota for Gaborik?

I dunno… but what I unfortunately know now is that the Bruins beat the Thrashers 2-1 in regulation today. Erg.

Fear the Fin: Because our day jobs are overrated.

by Mr. K. on Dec 28, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

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