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[Open Thread] Game Three, Western Conference SF: San Jose Sharks at Dallas Stars

(Stars lead 2-0)

It's not do or die, but it is closely related.

Given how the Sharks have played better against Dallas in Dallas this year than at home, it's not unreasonable to expect San Jose to come out flying.  Which they'd better.  The only way to break the trap is by blowing past it.  Or a few well-placed elbows, which given the Sharks inconsistent level of physical play thus far in the series would be a change of pace.

Dallas is too good of a team to be given anything -- like the puck, repeatedly (*coughbriancampbellcough*) -- so the mistakes that have plagued San Jose in the first two games have to be sharply curtailed.  The "oh, we had a chance to score there but didn't because so-and-so didn't bother to work their way into position to grab a rebound or variations thereof" shtick has got to come to a screeching halt.  The physical play has to both increase and become consistent; you can't check someone once and go off on your merry way assuming that's good enough for the entire game.  Basically, the Stars aren't going to beat themselves.  They can be beaten, but only by playing better.  Thus far in this series, the Sharks haven't come close to this.  Tonight, they'd better.  It's that simple.

Okay, let's drop the puck.

P.S.  A profound thanks to whoever in the NHL wrote a schedule that has a playoff game starting when most of us are still at work... noreallyImeanthat... (grumble grumble grumble)

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Damn Refs again.

Live puck & he blows it dead just before the puck gets into the goal.  What a bad call.

by drink409 on Apr 29, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

wowzer.

More bologna sandwiches.

by coma on Apr 29, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

bad passes by the Stars all over that PP... good look for the Sharks

by drink409 on Apr 29, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally home

And wearing a hole in the rug pacing.  Why is it more nerve-wracking watching a game on television than in person?

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

This period has been very unnerving.

much more that the 1st.  Its fast paced, back and forth, lots of opportunities for both teams.

by drink409 on Apr 29, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

(4:29 2nd) Both teams are playing well

Sharks have slightly the better of it.  The Morrow line remains a monster to handle.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

(End 2nd) Whew

Wow, did Drew rip Campbell a new one after that penalty on Semenov.  And with good cause.  He continues to be timid and indecisive, with or without the puck.  There is no excuse for this kind of play.  He's been in the playoffs before.  What is his excuse?

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Stars are killing the Sharks on the forecheck....

The Sharks are lucky to be ahead 1-0 and if they don;t play better in period 3, its all over baby.  Ron Wilson, hope you have your bags packed!

http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/

by OakFoSho on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Here we go again

Back to scared scattering bunnies.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

After seeing the replay...

... someone on the Sharks want to man up here?

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Nabby saves the season.......

for the time being at least......

sigh.....

http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/

by OakFoSho on Apr 29, 2008 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

(9:10 3rd) NOW will the Sharks start playing?

Nabokov just saved their bacon.  What will they do with it?

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Ron Wilson standing behind the bench......

looks like he wants to say something but he cant find the words.  There is nothing left to say after several seasons of weak playoff hockey.  You have said it all in the past, and it didn't work then, so its pointless to say it over again.  Truly, its time for a new coach if the Sharks lose this series like this.

http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/

by OakFoSho on Apr 29, 2008 6:52 PM PDT reply actions  

No pressure in the offensive zone...

... back on their heels on defense, bad puck handling, Thornton abysmal in all aspects of the game... it's amazing they're still tied.  Why are they playing gutless?

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

(1:06 3rd) Good grief

Nabokov once again is forced to save the Sharks from their own turnovers.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

(End 3rd) Embarrassing

Dallas wants it, and the Sharks other than Nabokov seem determined to hand it to them.  Ridiculous.

If this team loses this series in this fashion, there had better be some major changes on this team.  It needs some SOBs who can play, not a bunch of nice guys who choke when the pressure is on.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

(Start OT) And here we go

This had better be good.

Thus far, it isn't.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply actions  

sike.

Who do you suggest we replace him with, genius? Obviously you're very knowledgeable in the ways of NHL coaching. So either pipe up with some candidates, and some legitimate reasons why he needs to be fired, or just pipe down.

by coma on Apr 29, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don't understand this Fire Wilson garbage.  Where's the evidence that this is his fault?

by marcello on Apr 29, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

It's so pathetic how terrible the refs have been for us in this series. We might be looking at 3-1 in our favor if these refs weren't so piss poor. How frustrating is it to be the clearly better team and walk away with these losses. I hate to blame the refs but at what point is it not ridiculous.

by coma on Apr 29, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Assuming You're Opining on the Waived Off Goal

Was the puck still loose when Marleau poked it home? Yes.

Does it really matter since Dan Van Massenhoven decided he lost sight of the puck prior to it being pulled into a shooting position and shot into the net?

No.

Happens to every team about 4 or 5 times during the course of the season. I distinctly remember it happening to Dallas and Brenden Morrow against the Sharks in OT early in 2005-06. I also remember Patty Marleau winning the game a few minutes later on a breakaway. That's hockey sometimes.

Point is on a play like this, it doesn't necessarily matter when the whistle is blown. The only thing that matters is when the ref decides he's lost sight of the puck and it's time to blow the play dead. And since it's humanly impossible to blow the play dead at the EXACT instant the ref decides to blow the play dead, you sometimes have instances like tonight  where the puck is still loose when the ref blows the play dead.

Furthermore, there's no iron-clad guarantee San Jose would have gone on to win the game had that goal been allowed. Certainly their chances of winning would have gone up had they been up 2-0 at the end of the first period.

But as we all know in hockey, you're going to approach the game differently being down 2-0 than being down 1-0 as the Stars were entering the third.

"We might be looking at 3-1 in our favor if these refs weren't so piss poor."

Well, since both teams have only played three games in this series, it's statistically impossible for either team to be up 3-1.

"How frustrating is it to be the clearly better team and walk away with these losses."

Clearly the better team?

You mean the one that has been outscored 7-1 in this series from the third period on?

Look, I can understand your frustration with being down 3-0 in a series against at a team that, on paper, you should matchup very well with. I thought the same thing two years ago when a 2nd seeded Stars team lost to Colorado in the first round in five games and was down 3-0 after two OT losses.

But I didn't blame it on the officiating. At the end, I simply took the Bill Parcells approach that the Stars were what they were in the playoffs that year. Colorado made the plays and the Stars did not. Thus, the Avs deserved to advance and the Stars deserved to go golfing.

And while I'm on the topic of philosophical coaches, the great Tom Landry once said that good teams don't put themselves into a position where officiating can beat them. To that end, the Sharks shouldn't be afraid to score more than two goals in a game.

Of course, if deluding yourself into thinking that terrible officiating is the primary reason your team is down 3-0 go ahead and delude to your heart's content.

by Gravypan on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay.

The regular season doesn't mean anything, buddy. In a win or go home game 3 for the sharks, there's absolutely no reason or justification for it. Bad officiating has plagued this series from the get go. And, I think everyone knew I meant 2-1. Real classy going after the typo, further fodder for my "you have no argument" case.

by coma on Apr 30, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

P.S.

Break Brendan Morrow's leg, and you guys are done. 4-0 sweep from here on out, and it's over. Seriously, I've never met someone so eager to get punished by the Red Wings. It's not even a contest. You will get destroyed. Meanwhile, the sharks (who CLEARLY are a MUCH better team than Dallas. --Blatantly obvious.) have a much better chance in a 7 game series.

I mean, seriously. I can't fathom why you'd think you can alter or change my opinion. You actually like the stars. That is enough for me to disown you as a friend, if you were even smart enough to satisfy the needs that such a status holds in my book. (You aren't.)

by coma on Apr 30, 2008 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

My last rebuttal to you

Certainly, the officiating should figure to be better as just like the teams that don't measure up in the playoffs get weeded as the playoffs progress, so to should the refs that don't measure up get weeded out.

But the refs are still human. Sure, in a perfect world, Van Massenhoven wouldn't blow the play dead with the puck still loose. But it still happens. Deal.

"And, I think everyone knew I meant 2-1. Real classy going after the typo, further fodder for my "you have no argument" case."

It was merely an attempt to poke fun at your argument. No malice was intended. I'd like to think it's possible to have a serious hockey discussion with doses of levity mixed in to make sure the mood stays light.

"Break Brendan Morrow's leg, and you guys are done."

Not necessarily.

"Seriously, I've never met someone so eager to get punished by the Red Wings. It's not even a contest. You will get destroyed."

For one, I haven't written one thing about the Red Wings either here, on my own blog, or other message boards. Except to compliment their scouting department as quite possibly the best in the league by virtue of their draft record. I take series one at a time.

Perhaps the Red Wings might destroy the Stars in a potential WCF series (neither series is quite over and I'm of the belief that it isn't over until both teams line up and shake hands at center ice). Granted, the Ducks were supposed to beat the Stars in the first round and San Jose was supposed to beat them in the second round.

"Meanwhile, the sharks (who CLEARLY are a MUCH better team than Dallas. --Blatantly obvious.) have a much better chance in a 7 game series."

well, I'm not sure there's any amount of stats, logic, or reason I can throw your way if you're so convinced that a team that is down 0-3 in a series is so superior to the team leading 3-0. Just isn't worth the effort.

by Gravypan on Apr 30, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

(15:23 OT) And that's that

The Morrow line.  Who else?

Now the only objective is winning one for pride.

by Diecast Dude on Apr 29, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

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