Sweeney Todd & The Debacle of Lineup Troubles
Todd McLellan is in trouble after the All-Star.....wait, what's that you say? A photoshop to get things started? Sa-weeeeet.
My favorite photoshop of all time- well, until Mymclife one-upped me
Anyways, time to make the jump again people. Much like yesterday, I'm not catering to your time-efficiency needs any longer*.
* Truth be told I'm just in bad mood cause the Sharks don't have a game until Tuesday. Damn All Star Gimmick- why do you mock me so?
The San Jose Sharks are loaded with talent.
Loa-ded.
The only problem is, where do you fit all this talent? For the sake of discussion, let's take a look at some of the players who have made their way in and out of San Jose this season.
Derek Joslin: Probably the most unmemorable of the four (which was a good thing), Joslin played well enough with the big club for me to be content with him sticking around. That being said, it's just not going to happen. He was sent down yesterday, and it seems as if his time in San Jose will most likely be done for the remainder of this year (barring an injury to one of our seven defensemen). Semenov has gotten the green light for the duration of this bad boy- God save us all*.
* Honestly though, Semmy has looked respectable lately. Big ups to the big man.
I liked what Derek brought to the table- he was physical in the corners, made smart and conservative passes on the breakout, was rarely out of position, and could skate decently well- a solid player for our bottom pairings in years to come, with the potential to get top-four minutes on a fairly deep blueline.
Brad Staubitz: I'm fairly enamored with Staubitz's play- he has good hands for a fourth liner, can fight, lays on the body during the forecheck, and brings an energy to the team. Also, his Corsi numbers are very good for playing a checking line role.
I would bet Staubitz sticks around next year full-time, and we groom him to replace Jody Shelley once his contract is up.
Jamie McGinn: Another solid player, I liked the energy he brought to the table (much like Staubitz). McGinn looked hungry every game he was up in San Jose, and generated some decent scoring chances playing primarily on the lower lines. I think Worcester will help him work on his skating (don't you get the feeling that guy has the potential to fly?), and improve his shot. Wrist-curls baby, wrist-curls.
Lukas Kaspar: Probably my least favorite player out of the group, the former first round draft pick looked lost during his brief stints in San Jose. For the sake of time, I'll quote myself from a previous article:
Lukas Kaspar looked winded towards the end of his shifts, and I'm not sure he's ready for big-time minutes on the top line with Thornton and Gooch. There was a couple times when he would just get outworked for a puck, and as a result, the first line was effectively ineffective in the third period.
Also, he was loathe to drive to the front of the net (think Milan Michalek in season's past). That's a staple in McLellan's offensive philosophy. In fact, it's a damn near staple in every offensive offense across the NHL.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was dealt at the upcoming draft for a pick(s); a former first-rounder has to be enticing for some clubs looking to get some young talent in their system, and the Sharks need to restock the cupboard.
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With a half-assed recap of some notables out of the way, let me say this:
Claude Lemieux looks like he will be here to stay. And I'm really warming up to it.
I've poo-pood the idea all season long. Yesterday I even brought up the fact that he hasn't played multiple games in a row- how will his legs hold up? Can he keep up with the pace of an NHL season?
In retrospect, I'm an idiot.
The guy has played hockey all his life, and as JonHaven pointed out rather eloquently, he's doing it for the love of the game, and in excellent shape to boot. Dustin's look at Mats Sundin the other night also put got me thinking- Mats didn't "earn" his spot based off his recent play. He was handed it because of his past accolades. Claude worked his ass off to get here.
Granted, you have two completely separate situations. Mats played last season- Claude hasn't been in the NHL for five years. But consider the fact he went to China with not an ounce of complaint. Consider the fact he played "amongst kids half his age, traveling to play 3 games in 4 nights of minor league hockey" and didn't raise a stink.
The guy has been a class act through this whole situation. He is hungry, hell, starving to get on the ice and contribute on a team loaded with talent.
That's the kind of player we need in the locker room. The years past have shown us that the Sharks tend to crumble when adversity strikes (Detroit game six 2007 being a perfect example).
Claude Lemieux was, is, and will continue to be a competitor. Sure he's been labeled "The Most Hated Man In Hockey". But don't you think it's time the Sharks had one of those instigators around? On a team filled with nice guys (Marleau, Thornton, Boyle, Pavelski, the list goes on and on) isn't it time to throw a little grit out there? Make teams think twice before slashing Joe Thornton night in, night out? Have someone who is going to stir the pot, get that checking line rolling, even generating scoring chances like they did against Vancouver when Lemieux made a nice touch pass to set up Jody Shelley?
I think a perfect example of what he brings to the team, besides the absolute playoff clutchistry (if that's not a word it really should be) happened two nights ago. I don't remember what period it was in, but I do remember the moment.
There was a replay of Lemieux skating through the neutral zone to chase a dump in. At the beginning of the frame, he ever so slightly jabs the 'Nuck with his stick in the stomach. It wasn't malicious, it will never be called, and it wasn't hard enough to cause anything close to injury.
But it was filled with intent. It said, "I'm going to get in your kitchen and remove you from playing your game, then take advantage of it."
That's the kind of player the Sharks have lacked in May.
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So with the Sharks roster almost set, what happens in mid to late February when everyone will theoretically be healthy? Some tough calls for D-Dubs and Sweeney Todd in the future.....
There's an influx of players coming back- Luko, JR, and Mitchell are the big names, while Cavanagh and the rest of the aforementioned Worcester gang are possibilities (although very unlikely ones).
Personally, the All-Star Break is my signal to start thinking about playoff seeding and setting the roster for yet another Cup run.
Damn that sounds good.
Current Defensemen: Rob Blake, Dan Boyle, Christian Ehrhoff, Douglas Murray, Alexei Semenov, Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Returning From Injury: Brad Lukowich
Possibles: Derek Joslin
What gives?: It's just about a sure thing that our current defensemen (Lukowich included) are the ones we stick with in the playoffs. We'll see how Luko performs after surgery, but it's highly unlikely we bring Joslin up (they are very similar players) in replacement- in fact, I don't know why I even addressed that possibility. It's about as likely as me bedding Adriana Lima this weekend.
Alexei Semenov is going to be our seventh D-man going forward, a fact that has been made slightly more desirable considering his play lately ("I'm going to shoot the puck into the rafters against Vancouver on a dump in to shake things up a bit" notwithstanding). I doubt DW sends him through waivers and allows another team to claim him in order to make room for Joslin- they seem to believe in his potential more than anyone else in San Jose does. Nothing like a warm cup of faith to start your day.
Basically, what you see is what you get with the blueline. However, that's not the case with the forwards.
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Current Forwards (top 2 lines omitted): Jonathan Cheechoo, Marcel Goc, Mike Grier, Claude Lemieux, Tomas Plihal, Jody Shelley
Returning From Injury: Torrey Mitchell, Jeremy Roenick
Possibles: Lukas Kaspar, Jamie McGinn, Brad Staubitz
What gives?: The good news is that Mitchell and Roenick can return from injury and find a place on the roster, barring any unforseen salary cap difficulties I may have missed when looking at Cap Central (although they do still have Lukas Kaspar on the squad). The bad news? Well, one of them might not be slated in right away.
In fact Torrey (and I hate to break the Mitchell fans hearts- hell I'm one of em'), may have some trouble finding consistent playing time, especially with his most recent setback.
Let me explain- our penalty kill currently sits at fifth in the league, and has done an excellent job all season long. It would be nice to give Patty some rest seeing as he's logging about 2:23 minutes shorthanded a game, but he's been extremely effective and on a mission to prove his merit since day one of the season. Keep in mind Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg log significant time for the Wings on the PK (a worthy duo to wage a comparison if I ever saw one).
I think it's fair to say that Mitchell's biggest asset to the team isn't a pressing need. Not saying he wouldn't help- he and Grier did a fine job last year. But the question we need to ask ourselves is not would he be an asset (he would), but is he the best asset we can put into place with the current makeup of our potential playoff roster?
With the exception of the hit on Kurtis Foster last season, he wasn't known for bringing the heat physically. In fact (if you are willing to look back), I remember him playing much more tentatively following that unfortunate incident. He wasn't the same player. Add this to the fact that he hasn't played a single game in San Jose this year, hasn't been skating in the system (though he has had the opportunity to watch and observe), and isn't an obvious fit for a checking line role.....well, let's just say it will be an uphill battle for him to grab serious playing time.
Lemieux has (temporarily at least) thrown my previous line combinations into a tailspin.
All this being said, I do believe Mitchell will provide spot duty. He will be on the roster, and will get a shot to play when other forwards need a night off. Every team needs a role player, and Mitchell can do just that for us. Hell, who knows- he may light it up when he gets here and earn his spot back. That's the key though. He's going to have to earn it. No one is keeping his spot warm for him to get back, and the starting twelve is looking mighty deep these days.
Roenick is a different situation- I see him sliding into a fourth line role and producing right away. He's played the system, and carried out his checking line duties admirably before the shoulder injury. JR chips in when it counts the most (second in the league behind Ovechkin last season with 10 GWG's, one of the leaders on that BTP system I should really update, seventh game heroics against Calgary etc). With Roenick in, Plihal comes out and the third line rolls Cheechoo, Goc, and Grier. That's one helluva third line. Sniper, playmaker, grinder. Shit, it's just like NHL 09.
The fourth line though, is truly where you see how dangerous the Sharks can be in the playoffs. More depth than Jenna Jameson's.......er, yeah. They've got a lot of depth.
Jeremy Roenick centering Claude Lemieux and Jody Shelley. Nasty. That line can grind in the corners, manhandle people on the forecheck, and score some timely goals (with the exception of Shelley, who will probably just try and punch the puck into the net). Honestly, a fourth line doesn't need point production- it's hard not to be content with them eating up minutes, wearing down the other team and keeping pucks out of our defensive zone. But the potential to score is there, and if that line is able to chip in a goal every couple games, it will go a long way to making the Sharks downright scary.
As for the call-ups, it's unlikely we see any of them the rest of this year (barring injury). Mitchell and Roenick fill out our roster at 23, and we let loose on the NHL with a fully stocked cupboard. If someone on the fourth line needs a night off you drop Grier down to line four and throw Mitchell on a wing up with the third line. If someone on the third line needs a night off you do the same thing (sans dropping Grier).
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| Marleau | Thornton | Setoguchi |
| Michalek | Pavelski | Clowe |
| Grier | Goc | Cheechoo |
| Shelley | Roenick | Lemieux |
If nothing else, this article gives us an opportunity to kick around something Sharks-related during the All-Star Weekend.
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The great thing about this team is that it's extremely versatile, something that's going to pay off dividends down the stretch run. So let's kick the tires and light the fires big daddy, because I can smell February. And that means March is right around the corner, which means April is just around the block.
Okay. I guess we're not that close. But we are closer than we were when you started reading this. Take that to the bank.
Go Sharks.
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Very Nice
analysis there, Mr Plank. I can’t find fault in much of anything, and tend to agree with your line combo’s. The thing I find most important is the intangible…the experience part, the toughness, the leadership in the locker room and on the bench, that Claude, JR, and Blake bring to the club. Their ability to right the ship after the collapses we have seen in past years following an inopportune loss are what I see as the biggest factor.
I still say that the road trip in mid February will be the point when we see if this team actually has IT.
Anyway, thanks for giving us something to do during this dreaded down week.
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by Dave Valentine on Jan 23, 2009 6:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Epic analysis
Post All-Star break, I think we’re going to find ourselves referring back to this article, as in, “Plank mentioned this, that and the other.” Great job, Fearless Leader.
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by Mr. K. on Jan 23, 2009 7:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree.
He made my head spin! lol
I think some more readings on hockey terminology and such though… ah well, that might come in time..
Still… sweet article :)
by AppleSweetRose on Jan 23, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH, and that Photoshop
Is pretty damn amazing. I really need to get up on this Photoshop thingermabobber.
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by Mr. K. on Jan 23, 2009 7:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis
and I agree with your assessment of the players and who should be on what line, at least amongst the forwards. (I say only the forwards because I don’t know the defenseman well enough yet to pass judgment.)
Assuming Lemieux continues to stay healthy and play well through the rest of the regular season, which I completely expect as I make no efforts to hide my Claude affection, I do think McLellan would need to get him up to the 3rd line once the playoffs start.
For now, the Sharks don’t need any more scoring, but come April, unless his legs are showing signs of their age, Lemieux is too clutch. I think restricting his ice time to 4th line minutes in the playoffs would be a mistake.
That’s a long way off though, I’ll worry about that in 3 months. For now, I’m just going to enjoy the ride.
I'm back to doing what I love most and it feels great.
~ Claude Lemieux
by JonHaven on Jan 23, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The defensemen have had pretty set pairings all year long (and have been relatively healthy too, so they’re comfortable with one another). For the sake of getting you up to date here’s what we roll with usually:
Boyle & Lukowich: Steady pairing that helped guide Tampa to the Cup back in ’04. Luko does a great job of reading when Boyle is going to push the puck in the offensive zone.
Blake & Vlasic: Vlasic is our best defensive D-man, and Blake has looked very good after the first five or so games (where he was taking a lot of penalties). Probably would be defined as our “shutdown line.”
Ehrhoff & Murray: Ehrhoff can get into a little trouble when he carries the puck in the neutral zone (sometimes he gets a little too aggressive with his speed, also has a tendency to mishandle the puck) which gets this pairing into trouble sometimes. Murray is an absolute workhorse, and what he lacks in speed and puck carrying ability he makes up for in physical play. I can’t tell you how many times he’s stood up people at the blueline this season.
All in all, the pairings are solid in that they carry a more offensive minded player (Boyle, Blake, Ehrhoff) with a stay at home guy (Lukowich, Vlasic, Murray).
Oh, and get used to the term Error-hoff. We kind of like to rag on him (and he’s been making our job easy the last ten or so games).
Once again man, glad to have you on board.
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 23, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boyle seemed to have the puck for about 20 minutes of the Nucks game. Blake looked awful last season in L.A., but from what I’ve read he’s playing much better this year.
Thanks for the recaps. Glad to be here.
I'm back to doing what I love most and it feels great.
~ Claude Lemieux
by JonHaven on Jan 23, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And hey, now that I think of it, don’t you have a conflict of interest on Tuesday?
Choose at your own risk sir ;)
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 23, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly, but not much. I’ve always been a fan more of players than teams and though Colorado has been my favorite team for years, they are pathetic this year in about 7 different ways. The team isn’t that bad, but they don’t even put forth an effort on half the nights. I just don’t have patience for millionaires who don’t even feel like trying. And don’t even get me started on the management over there, lol.
I'm back to doing what I love most and it feels great.
~ Claude Lemieux
by JonHaven on Jan 23, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I didn't agree with you before this article...
I sure do now. Great work.
BTW… I do like McGinn, he’s going to be a star in this league. I do think, however, he needs more time in the AHL… Same story with Joslin. I see Joslin as a more physical, less idiotic, Christian Erhoff.
If I can beg one thing to Doug Wilson though, it’s this…. DONT TRADE LOGAN COUTURE FOR ANYONE. EVER. If his name pops up in trade rumors this year, I’m gonna die.
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by That'll Cheech You on Jan 23, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am all for restocking.
Just not at the expense of Couture. I wasn’t happy about losing Wishart, but man was that trade worth it. Who knows, we might even be able to get him back from the Tampa braintrust for Kaspar.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Jan 23, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you could get a 3rd rnd pick for Kaspar. Maybe a 2nd. But I doubt we could get a first for him.
I’m going to do a special OHL edition of Sharktistical Analysis for Couture… people need to be aware of this kid.
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by That'll Cheech You on Jan 23, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do.
That kid is going to be something.
I wouldn’t count the Tampa front office out from making more stupid moves. They’re building a great track record of doing just that in just one season. Vinny’s massive contract. Trading Boyle. Trading Matt Carle for Steve Downie. I’d lay odds they aren’t finished doing stuff like that. DW should fleece them while he can.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
by Lurker Shark on Jan 23, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Koules thinks he’s writing a script for Saw down there- such a disaster.
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 23, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just noticed the labeling on this
“Coaching from the Couch.” Brilliant.
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by Mr. K. on Jan 23, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
more depth than jenna jameson's... mmyeaaa...
great post, sir plank. it’s been hard to believe this season just how ridiculously stacked the sharks are. we’ve got so many good options and so much diversity able to take on whatever weird playoffs situations we may find ourselves in. i’m trying like hell to not count my chickens before they hatch this season, but the playoffs cannot come soon enough!
thanks for all the insight to keep my brain busy during this excruciating break from sharks hockey.
I can't remember the time before I was a Sharks fan. I've always been. I always will be :]
by carolinee on Jan 23, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff dude.
That’s how I’d put the lines together if I was Todd. I think we can get by without another deadline deal, DW’s done a great job building a contender from within and by rolling the dice on guys like JR, Blake, and Lemieux.
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by Lurker Shark on Jan 23, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good Analysis
I think its clear that the Sharks have a great mix on the blue line: Young guys, guys in their prime, vets, hitters and finesse guys, right hand shots and left hand shots, its a very well put together blue line.
That third line though, as much as it seems should work on paper, has been getting smoked the past few games. -3 combined in the Vancouver game, with nearly every other scoring chance for Vancouver coming while they were on the ice. -8 against Detroit, with the ice tilting towards Nabokov every time they were out there. Cheechoo is a sniper, but he needs a spotter, and neither Goc nor Grier get the job done.
I don’t think the second line is free from tinkering, either. Michalek has be very good on defense, but still fails to convert on the set ups provided to him at the level that Clowe, Seto, Marleau, and (when he is on) Cheechoo do. On most teams, that still makes him a good 2nd liner, and a mediocre 1st liner. On this team, with others nipping at his heels, he doesn’t automatically justify his spot on the 2nd line.
For the playoffs, I think a better lineup would be
Marleau/Thornton/Setoguchi
Clowe/Pavelski/Cheechoo
Michalek/Mitchell/(Plihal-Grier)
Lemiuex/JR/(Shelly-Grier)
Maybe Im slow on the bandwagon, but Goc has failed to provide virtually anything except face off skills for anything more that fleeting glimpses. He has the worst +/- on the team, the lowest goals/game ration besides Shelly, as is essentially a (very) poor man’s Mitchell. He sits unless injuries crop up.
Michalek will still get plenty of ice time on the PK and PP. Depending on who is the opponent, we can switch plihal/shelly, and Grier actually turns even the 4th line into a scoring threat if Plihal is in the lineup (as much as I like Shelly, and think he should get “some” ice time in the playoffs, he should understand that his skill set is not one that is suited for the playoffs in most instances). In that set up, there is no “3rd line”, its more of a 2A-2B. 5 or 6 excellent PK’s, 9 guys that a PP worthy.
Its a very good problem to have.
by ruben398 on Jan 23, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like your way of thinking
Michalek is much more self-sufficient than Cheechoo – but even if he wasn’t, being with Mitchell on the third line in the playoffs would be outrageously awesome. Little Joe isn’t quite Jumbo Joe, but he would more adept at feeding passes to Cheech than Goc (who is a champ in the faceoff circle, as you said, but not especially known as a play-maker).
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by Mr. K. on Jan 23, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goc’s strength seems to be board play and faceoffs. I’ve seen him a few times this year hold the puck behind the opponents net very skillfully. The problems come when he tries to get rid of the puck. I’ve seen him try and push the puck out front, make a weak attempt at a pass, but I’ve also seen him struggle with his linemates who were not in position to take a pass.
I like Goc but his execution is a little off.
by Morti on Jan 23, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ANOTHER GOC HATER?!?!
j.k., I don’t want to get into this again. But I disagree with Cheechoo on line 2. Michalek is too good to push to line 3. Line two has played well as constructed, and you NEED Michalek’s skill on that line. Cheechoo is the nostalgic choice, and I wish he still had the legs to play line two, but he just doesnt.
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by That'll Cheech You on Jan 23, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Goc plenty! I don’t think he’s hit his potential yet
by Morti on Jan 23, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Analysis As Well
And you raise some good points with the lines you set up.
In my opinion Michalek is a big key to the second line in that he’s able to stretch the defense. With a line like Clowe, Cheech, and Joe Pavs* you’re going to see teams really disrupt our breakout. Clowe and Cheech are fairly slow, and while Pavelski can carry the puck through the neutral zone, he’s more of a puck-possession guy who thrives on his hockey sense to create plays in the offensive zone. In my opinion, it’s burning talent by limiting what they can do. I would expect that line to dump and chase a lot, something the second line shouldn’t be out there for- they need to dictate the play, and carry the puck into the zone.
* That line however, would be a great power play unit if Michalek doesn’t produce- they would wreak havoc down low and open a lot of space for Blake/Boyle to fire from the point. You’ve definitely got my ear there.
On the other hand, you have Mitchell and Michalek on a line, which would be lights out one of the fastest in the league (with a big body like Grier’s to dig pucks out of the corners). That’s on paper too though- I still stand by my original assertion that I’m not sold on Mitchell till I see how he performs. That’s not to say he’s not going to excel- it’s just acknowledging that he hasn’t played NHL hockey for awhile now, and was a different player after the Foster injury. That being said, wow. Talk about speed.
As for Goc, I think he’s really picked up his play in the last three weeks. He’s been creating scoring chances, has been great in the faceoff circle, and has done a solid job in “Gretzky’s Workshop”. If he can continue to use his agility to create from behind the net he’s definitely my third line center. Faceoffs also are a key in the playoffs, and besides Big Joe (and probably Patty), there’s no one else I want taking a faceoff in game seven down 3-2 with 5 to go.
All in all, you said it best man- “It’s a very good problem to have.” There’s so many lines to tinker with it’s unreal.
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 23, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also (and I’m not trying to knock on you at all, you raised some really good points), Mirtle has a piece up that makes a case for not using the +/- stat.
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by Mr. Plank on Jan 23, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+/-
I have read a lot of stuff about the +/- stat and how it is often not super accurate. That said, a -7 on the team with the best GF/GA differential is something that needs to be addressed. On this team, I wouldn’t even say being even is that great (which would also be a knock on Cheechoo) considering the talent level. However, one stat does not a person make. And I wouldn’t say I “hate” him :-) , its just I don’t think he is good enough to be getting 3rd line minutes on the best hockey team in the NHL. He would make a fantastic 4 line center for the Devils, or a great 3rd line center for the Islanders, but on the Sharks, I just don’t think he brings enough to the table (short or long term) to justify anything other that injury fill in minutes.
If Mitchell isn’t good to go by playoff time, then yeah, Goc (or heck, McGinn) fills in. Im assuming he is at least 90% of what he was before by playoff time.
Michalek’s ability to stretch the D, particularly when it comes to entering the zone, is something that I would agree is extremely valuable and doesn’t come up on the scoresheet. I would hope that with Vlasic/Boyle/Blake/Ehrhoff, the forwards don’t bear the brunt of responsibility for entering the zone with speed, but I can see that 2A line being bogged down against a team like the Canucks. Lord knows I hate the dump and chase offense. But man, that 2B line would skate circles around all but the fastest teams.
by ruben398 on Jan 23, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your lines
Look good. I agree that Mitchell will be given the chance to win the 3rd line center. As much as I like Plihal, I think he is the odd man out, with lines of
Michalek/Mitchell/Grier
Lemmy/JR/Shelly and Goc being cycled in with them. Shelly/Goc/Roenick played well last year.
by ktice on Jan 24, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I agree Mitchell will have to fight a little to win his job back, I think he’ll win as well, over Goc. I just haven’t been happy with Goc’s play that much this season. He may kick ass at faceoffs, but he’s inconsistent. Whenever the puck is turned over in our zone, I find #11 there. Plihal has also played a little better than I expected. He’s good against the boards, and he’s showed he can score, which shows he positions himself with the right mindset.
With Mitchell on the third line, you add another productive checking forward that adds to a pretty nice combo Grier and Cheechoo get going every now and then.
When JR comes back… well that won’t be for a little while longer I think. And the decision should be based on Plihal or Mitchell’s current play then. Also, I can’t believe you have Grier switching out with Shelley and Plihal! Both Grier and Shelley have cemented their place on this squad, and Grier is one of the best players out there. Though he might not be a goal scorer, he plays smart, tough, and is essential on the PK. He also doesn’t just wear that A on his jersey for kicks.
by brandollars on Jan 25, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
holy @#$%
that was long
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by serrapadre716 on Jan 23, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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by That'll Cheech You on Jan 23, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Bad :-)
You should see the things I have to read here at work. I’m an extern at a federal court, and I swear, the loss of the rain forests can be solely pinned on the amount of paper attorneys use.
by ruben398 on Jan 23, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With all the hype that goes on about Patty, Jumbo, and Seto
I really hate how unappreciated Milan Michalek has become to this years Sharks team. Clearly the guy has changed his game this year and showed he can adapt and play a different style. I’ve always loved his skating ability and he has always showcased that, but his presence out on the ice has been great with the way he has been battling for pucks and driving the net as well as screening the goalie. I think moving him to the third line would be absolutely absurd.
by mattman on Jan 23, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No knock on the hard work Michalek has put in...
And on this squad, playing on that “3rd” line can’t be considered a demotion. But hockey is about putting the puck in the net, and Cheechoo, in the right situation, has proven he does it as good as anyone. Its impossible to judge whether he can still do it unless he is given a legitimate chance.
I have thought about Clowe on the 3rd line, too, since he is such a PP specialist anyways, but I love that speed line. I guess my point is, the ONLY safe line should be that #1, cause they are the only ones that produce night in and night out. Milan has that offensive potential, but something hasn’t clicked yet even though he does th elittle things much better now. His all around game, however, has definitely improved DRAMATICALLY. No doubt.
by ruben398 on Jan 24, 2009 1:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Roenick centering Claude Lemieux and Jody Shelley. Nasty
I excite
by ktice on Jan 24, 2009 12:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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