Off the Post - October 18th
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 3:00 AM PDT
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SHARKS NEWS
- [UPDATE, 12:40pm] - Jamie McGinn and Derek Joslin were sent down (or is that up north...) to Worcester. H/T to idunno723 for the heads up.
- Nabby played in his 500th career game yesterday, a 4-1 win vs. the Islanders, despite the need for Greiss to get some practice.
- A reminder about other potential Sharks milestones to occur this season.
- Plank and TCY get the nitty-gritty on the Worcester Sharks from Eric Lindquist.
- The Sharks went to the NHL Store in New York, and fielded some questions.
- Jody Shelley's got a new blog... and some babysitting issues.
- San Jose currently has the 6th best capacity precentage attendance in the NHL - but for a reality check, Atlanta is ranked 9th. Phoenix on the other hand... ugh.
- Japer's Rink's recap of the crap-tastic Sharks loss on Thursday.
- Lighthouse Hockey's recap of the awesome Sharks victory yesterday.
- One thing Sidney Crosby and Jason Demers have in common? Ten giveaways in their first 7 games... although Demers redeems himself with 5 takeaways (one more than the Kid).
- (more coming throughout the day, hopefully... if Oktoberfest in downtown Campbell doesn't create Drunk Conico...)
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About Nabby/Greiss
The Sharks are not good enough on defense right now to throw Greiss in net. In the last two games first period shots against are 19 and 17. I doubt the staff thinks Greiss can hold the game together when the rest of the team is not helping him. They probably do not even want him to begin his career that way.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
true
but I think there will always be a million reasons to start Nabby – either he’s on a hot streak or he needs a chance to redeem himself after a bad game or the defense is bad or the defense is too good and it won’t be reflective of whether griess can handle it…etc. I think they have to start playing him. Good job though Nabby
by a10dency2ask on Oct 18, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the last thing Greiss needs is to start a game where are D doesn't show up, let in 5 goals, and have nightmares for weeks
This might damage his confidence, so then I would wait until we played toronto, then start him
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by Diamondback15 on Oct 18, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with the opposing view.
The way I see it is a goaltender needs to gain experience. If Greiss let’s in 5 goals, the next game he’ll be determined to do better.
But I’m not a goaltender so what do i know? Let’s ask Dave. Uh, Dave what’s it like to be a goaltender?
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to see what griess is made of. If he isn’t a good goaltender unless the D is doing all the work, then we need to know that.
by a10dency2ask on Oct 18, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrible reason.
What’s the point of having a back up goalie if you can’t put him in net against the Islanders? If he isn’t good enough for that then waive him, send him down and bring up a guy you feel can take a few games.
This is frankly getting absurd and we need to know what we have in Greiss.
by Evilducks on Oct 18, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the point of playing the Islanders if you don't win?
Not to say the Sharks would have definitely lost, but these points are worth just as much as the ones at the end of the season. The whole Sharks team gives up if they go down by a couple goals in the first. The season is going to come to the point soon where the Sharks have to stop giving up that many opportunities. They have to win the division, no team wants to be a 4 or 5 seed.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously my gameday yesterday explains full well where I stand on this, but I don’t really understand this argument.
Do we think Nabokov is going to start 82 games this year in a compressed schedule, play for Team Russia, and be fresh at the end of the year?
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Nabokov is certainly not the only goalie who has started all his team’s games. Why take him out right now, if he has been the best player on the team? I think the 500 game had something to do with it, but also because the rest of the team has not played well. Nabokov earned the point alone vs. Phoenix and gave the Sharks a chance to do something against Washington.
Griess will get his start during the road trip, but I would rather see the Sharks play him with some momentum rather than coming off a horrible performance.
Seeing what we have in Griess for next year is not an argument I understand. We could have a ton of money next year to buy a goalie. Not to mention it is next year.
And it is not that Greiss is going to suck, it is that I think our defensive play sucks.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but why buy a goalie
if we can have a great one for almost the league minimum and then improve the defense?
by a10dency2ask on Oct 18, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the Sharks are probably looking to do that too. I am just saying there are probably better times to develop a goalie than when the Sharks are not playing even average defense.
I think he already got an unfair amount of blame for the LA game even though that goal was ugly. Our best defensive players were -2,-3, and -4.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are probably better times
but unfortunately this is the time we need to do it, because this is Nabby’s contract year.
by a10dency2ask on Oct 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since the Sharks have “bad defense” and that’s something that “won’t change.” When do you believe Greiss should play?
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you quoting? “won’t change”
Maybe against Tampa or Atlanta.
Or…maybe even tomorrow against one of the hottest teams in the league and Clowe will get a hat trick and Heatley won’t get a hooking penalty.
Seriously though, I just understand why Nabokov started against the Islanders. See above.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I thought it was coming out of nowhere.
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing what we have in Griess for next year is not an argument I understand. We could have a ton of money next year to buy a goalie. Not to mention it is next year.
Not a lot of money to “buy a goaltender” next season, unless you plan on letting Marleau, Pavelski, and/or Setoguchi walk. Here’s a breakdown of the salary structure (roughly halfway through the piece). The recent Hockey Hot Stove with Ron Maclean on CBC stated that the cap is either going to stagnate (at best) or drop around one million dollars. If that happens, there is less money to spend.
And it is not that Greiss is going to suck, it is that I think our defensive play sucks.
I mentioned it here, but the only players you can really expect to improve defensively from last season are Vlasic and Demers. The blueline is going to be a weakness all season long- does it improve on the first eight games? I think it does, considering Vlasic has looked off thus far and the defenseman will eventually learn their pair’s tendencies. It doesn’t mean that you’re suddenly going to have a Norris candidate back there. Greiss, as well as Nabokov, are going to have to deal with that whenever they get the start.
I’m curious- how many games would you like to see Greiss start this season? If McLellan isn’t comfortable starting Greiss against the Islanders, is there any other time we see him besides a back to back? Do you think Nabokov can handle a heavy workload at his age? Do you think he will be fresh at the end of the season considering it’s likely he plays for Team Russia?
What about the big picture?
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with the Sharks’ defensive play is not just the Sharks’ 6 or 7 defense…see Ortmeyer on not picking up Ovechkin on the backcheck.
I think you are going to get just about the same number of starts from Nabokov as you saw last season. Greiss will play and soon too. And if he gets hot like Boucher did for awhile last season, then maybe he deserves more starts. I don’t know if Nabokov can handle it but if the Sharks go down 2-0 in our first playoff series, the Sharks will be hoping for a Varlamov in Greiss.
Maybe the management hopes Nabokov does really well at the Olympics?
I think that have been the issue last year. Boucher deserved more because for awhile he was doing really well.
Big picture? I think the Sharks put as many eggs into their basket this season with the cup in mind keeping all the players that gave them the best chance to win. I think you will see the Sharks let some of those UFAs maybe not the RFAs. But do you really want to see a Griess/Sexsmith/Stalock combo in net next year?
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nabokov went down with multiple injuries last season which accounted for a lot of Boucher’s starts (roughly half, I think). There wasn’t a whole lot of instances where McLellan gave the nod to Boucher over Nabokov when both were healthy. Dave Valentine and I thought Boucher should have seen more starts last season as well.
But do you really want to see a Griess/Sexsmith/Stalock combo in net next year?
Hard to say considering I haven’t seen Greiss get a regular season start this season.
Sorry if I’m coming off a little strong or whatever- it’s just an opinion, and I appreciate you voicing yours. I just think that between next year, the Olympics, a compressed schedule, Nabokov’s increasing age, multiple injuries last season, staying fresh for the stretch run etc. it’s in the best interest of the organization to give Greiss an opportunity. I wasn’t impressed with him during the preseason, but he’s on the roster as your number two goaltender.
Just because the Sharks defense is average doesn’t mean you hold off starting Greiss, especially against the Islanders. Like a10dency2ask mentioned above, there’s always going to be an excuse to start Nabokov. He’s obviously playing well right now.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true about Boucher, I hope Greiss gets his starts not because of a Nabokov injury. Assuming Nabokov stays healthy and in view of the first 8 games, how many starts do you really see Greiss getting?
Maybe McLellan was afraid of the slightest chance that the Sharks could have fallen below 500 so he bet on the safe side.
I think Greiss has two starts this road trip and then against LA or Colorado at home. You?
by sharkbuddy on Oct 18, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I’d rather see him get more starts, my guess is that McLellan only taps him once this month- next Saturday against Atlanta. Save Nabokov for Philadelphia on Sunday.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It bugs me
that everyone thinks Greiss is going to suck.
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you
by a10dency2ask on Oct 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I saw Greiss play very well in the preseason against LA. Only gave up a goal in the late seconds thanks to a bunch of rookies hanging him out to dry and I gotta say he’s better than Nabby in a Shootout.
Still, I have to see what he can do against full time NHL’ers, and I’m irritated that we’ve started Nabokov 8 times. I think the only other goalie that hasn’t rested might be Kipper and he’s always out of gas by the playoffs. I don’t think that’s a good model to follow.
by Evilducks on Oct 18, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ve play under 10 games. I’ll start to worry/wonder about Greiss not seeing ice time around game 20.
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by CTGray on Oct 18, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even after that point
I’d be willing to bet that the management and coaching staff would still recognize the need to not overwork Nabby, and would try to throw Greiss some starts. I also agree with sharkbuddy up there, it’s probably better to put Greiss in once the D jells a little better. I wouldn’t want to see the kid get peppered in the first period, let in a couple, then lose confidence for the rest of the season and not be able to play. Granted, he’s a professional athlete and should be able to play regardless, he’s still a rookie. Someone said it in here the other day, he needs to get that goalie swagger, and he won’t unless the D gives him some quality play in front.
by Chicago Shark on Oct 18, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be willing to bet that the management and coaching staff would still recognize the need to not overwork Nabby, and would try to throw Greiss some starts.
I’m not too sure about this- McLellan let Nabokov dictate his own starts at the end of last season (i.e. going into the playoffs) when he was still dealing with his injury. That doesn’t seem like a recognition not to overwork him.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
I saw that video last week. I’ll come right out and say that I’m a twenty-something male, so the video doesn’t strike me as offensive. That being said, I do think it’s a little over-the-top as far as the female body shots and camera angles, and probably should’ve been relegated to the Octane website (although the Canadians are a little more liberal about the body than we puritanical Americans are).
Referring to the Lighthouse’s recap, was there a blown offsides call before the first goal? I don’t recall that, but I was carving a pumpkin so I could have missed it.
Otherwise, great stuff, keep it coming!
by Chicago Shark on Oct 18, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost didn't post the video
Because most people have seen it by now – I guess it’s my version of “filler” ;-)
The video is racy, but it’s more the fact that Laraque is sponsoring an alcoholic beverage, which (and I didn’t know this) goes against the CBA. Whoopsie….
Fear the Fin: "Hope you bitches brought your guns! I’m always packing heat!" - Mr. Plank, 10/15/09
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, last thing for now
The link to Japer’s Rink goes to the Yahoo numbers story, not Japer’s Rink.
by Chicago Shark on Oct 18, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
I was dog tired last night while doing this, so I’ll fix that now.
Fear the Fin: "Hope you bitches brought your guns! I’m always packing heat!" - Mr. Plank, 10/15/09
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I find offensive about that ad
is how amazingly cheesy it is.
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by CTGray on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently there were some women's groups
that were outraged by the ad, silly Canadians
by Chicago Shark on Oct 18, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(shrugs @ the ad) … I think some feminists groups go a little overboard, just like other groups, in promoting what they think others should and shouldn’t do.
they say sex sells, but anyone silly enough to rush out and buy anything cause they see an ad (sexual or not) is just another sheep in my book … :)
aside from my last comment, if they wish to make more ads showing scantily dressed men, I wouldn’t object.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)
by ang6666 on Oct 18, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where can I get me some of that stuff???
/effective advertising
And you think Canadians are liberal with their use of sex appeal, you guys should check out any random Mexican channel. I can’t remember the last time I saw good acting on a mexican novella, but I’ll be damned if 95% of the women that show up on TV in that country aren’t at least a 9.5 out of 10 in the looks department.
Oh yeah, McGinn is getting jerked around. He deserves to be on the second line more than Clowe does, let alone not being sent down to Worchester. Not the best message being sent there. Good for Vesce on his first goal, though.
FREE GREISS!!!
by ruben398 on Oct 18, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the Sharks aren’t so high on McGinn as we thought they were.
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie’s definitely struggled a bit to begin the season. He’s had a good opportunity to play on the 2nd line, and he’s been fairly invisible, especially when you look at the various contribution of Ferriero. Putting McGinn on the 4th line or leaving him in the press box right now would be a waste and slow his development. With that said, the article does mention Worcester’s game today and that both guys need the minutes.
Oh, so that's where you edit your signature
by Teas on Oct 18, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I shall now add this as an update
And give you full credit
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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the article did say that
the players were sent down to get more ice time, because Woostah had a game and NYR doesn’t play too far away…I suspect it has more to do with that than anything else.
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by CTGray on Oct 18, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of them is going to be recalled at least. They need to be up here.
Also, I highly support starting 7 dmen over both Shelley and Staubitz any day of the week.
by Evilducks on Oct 18, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does?
This is all it says for me:
San Jose Sharks Executive Vice President and General Manager Doug Wilson announced today that the club has reassigned forward Jamie McGinn and defenseman Derek Joslin to the Worcester Sharks, the team’s top development affiliate in the American Hockey League.
McGinn has played in five games with San Jose this season, posting six penalty minutes.
Joslin played in two games, is a plus-two and had two penalty minutes
am i crazy or misreading or something?
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTC
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by CTGray on Oct 18, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true. I believe it also accumulates cap space, which is something the Sharks desperately need.
Honestly, this move wouldn’t have happened if it was a homestand or a road trip in the West. But because all the teams are pretty bunched up in the East, why not do it? It’s a no-lose situation, since neither player is subject to waivers and there’s little travel involved.
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Oct 18, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a smart move
When you think about it, cap wise anyway.
Though Joslin could be really exhausted tomorrow after playing a back to back to back.
McGinn would just be on a back to back.
by Evilducks on Oct 18, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the back to back to back and Murray “cleared” to play, maybe we don’t even see Joslin tomorrow?
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with it at all. Get a small amount of cap relief and Worcester is close enough where it’s not a huge travel drain.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Demand Inevitable.
Heatley’s been put on the 2nd line of the power play, it’s only a matter of time. (according to the WTC post today)
Sorry, had to.
by Evilducks on Oct 18, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh, the same thing came to mind last night when I saw Heatley and Malhotra together on the PP at the end of the game. I figured it was just a result of the score and not something that McLellan was plannng on doing going forward.
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by Mr. Plank on Oct 18, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone watch the NHL Store interview video?
Where did Boyle say he goes to eat? Aldo’s?
by PNK on Oct 18, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
you gonna eat there a lot too?
by idunno723 on Oct 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of the players eat at Aldo’s. It’s like their fav food joint.
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by CTGray on Oct 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
road trip to Aldo’s? :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)
by ang6666 on Oct 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turns out Malhotra still has a few connections and scored eight to ten tickets to Game 1 of the ALCS series between the Yankees and Angels on Friday night.
WOOO!!!!
Fear the Fin: "Hope you bitches brought your guns! I’m always packing heat!" - Mr. Plank, 10/15/09
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oooooooo
Laraque video taken down due to copyright infringement…
/Conico goes and hides all his concert videos on his YouTube channel…
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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Oct 18, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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