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[Editor's Note]: With Torrey Mitchell rumors abound (no, we're serious this time), Fear the Fin brought in some experts for a back and forth on the issue. We call it a back and forth because we've had like seventeen Q & A's already this month. Frankly, it's getting a little ridiculous.

As David Pollak noted, Mitchell is in the midst of a two-week conditioning assignment in Worcester. He may not play tonight, and we may have jumped the gun a bit, but a quick conversation with our girlfriends will prove that is to be expected.

Our guests are two men who need no introductions. However, at the risk of ending up in a dumpster behind 7-11, we've decided to give them one anyways. Take it away boys.

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Steve Austin: First, I was an astronaut. So I'm already better than you. Then, after crashing my lifting body craft, the U.S. broke the bank to make me even more bad ass than you. Better, faster, stronger. Yeah. That's me. In Spanish, I'm "El Hombre Nuclear"... eat it. I'm the authority on successful comebacks after long injury layoffs. And I'm better than you.

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Han Solo: What's up FTF Staff? Remember how you had that whole funny little one-liner about jumping the gun? Too bad I can make her hit lightspeed faster than you can say "womp rat." The Kessel Run isn't the only thing I've done in twelve parsecs, and A New Hope was the only time I ever shot first. Take that one to the bank.

FTF Staff: .....

Han Solo: Er, yeah. I was also frozen in carbonite, so I know a bit about this whole coming back after a long layoff thing. That's what we're here for right?

Steve Austin: Correct you are Mr. Solo. So what's the big deal about this Mitchell guy anyways?

Star-divide

FTF Staff: Torrey has been out since the 2008 preseason, and there has been an increasing amount of hype surrounding his return. Frequent Mitchell centric rosterbation is not uncommon here on FTF-- when a long layoff occurs, this is to be expected.

Torrey is fast. He's good on the penalty kill. He adds energy to a club on every shift. However, he's not a top six player right now and it's unlikely at the age 24 he becomes one in the near future on a team like San Jose. Hell, to even earn his roster spot he's going to have to fight for minutes, and it's unlikely that he's going to play center with two already skilled pivots (Malhotra, Nichol) on the bottom two lines. He only won 49.4% of draws he took in 2007-2008. All four (five if you count Couture) of the Sharks starting centermen this year are above a 54% success rate.

With the quality minutes already being contributed by Ortmeyer and McGinn on the wing, Mitchell will have to play well to stick on line three, and even four. Even though his contract should keep him on the team, Logan Couture has played admirably when called up and could pressure Mitchell for a roster spot all season.

Steve Austin: When they rebuilt me, they paid extra attention to my speed. They had that technology. Even when it looked like I was running in slow motion I can assure you I was doing no such thing. However, Mitchell didn't get my bad-ass bionic parts. Will he still be able to keep up with me?

FTF Staff: Much like you Mr. Austin, Torrey Mitchell suffered a severe leg injury that had the potential to ruin a career. Unlike you however, Mitchell has not had the benefit of accelerated story progression and instead has been out of NHL regular season commission since April 6th of 2008.

A large part of Mitchell's game is reliant on speed-- he's never had the best goal-scoring hands, nor has he ever been a standout assist man (10 G, 10 A in his only NHL season). The nagging tendinitis in his leg is cause for concern in this regard, because if you take away his skating ability you've essentially taken away the biggest asset in his game. It's unrealistic to expect for him to come in and be able to skate circles around opposing players the first month he returns. There are going to be some mental issues he will have to contend with as well. He's far from the biggest guy in the league (5'11, 190 pounds), and while he threw the body around admirably in the four postseason games he played against Anaheim last year, expecting that sort of unhinged physicality over the course of the next 60 games is probably unwise. When we say he's a bone-breaker, we're referencing Kurtis Foster more than we're referencing Douglas Murray.

These things are going to take time, and Sharks fans should give him that time. Maybe you could offer your expertise in the matter and help rebuild him. Doesn't hurt to ask.

Han Solo: You could say the Rebel Alliance was shorthanded, but I made that shit run like a Bantha with gastrointestinal issues. Torrey's no Solo, but can he be the Wedge Antilles of the PK unit?

FTF Staff: He's going to help here no doubt, but as we mentioned earlier, it's going to take him awhile to get into the swing of things. There's been a lot of roster turnover on the shorthanded unit since two years ago, as well as a new coach. Mitchell's last regular season game came under the piercing gaze of Ron Wilson. Let that sink in for a moment.

When Mitchell returned to the team against Anaheim last year, he logged zero minutes and zero seconds of shorthanded time. When Joe Pavelski returned from his injury, McLellan gradually brought him into the fold, with his first two games back logging 0:26 and 1:02 respectively-- this is also coming from a guy who has played a vast majority of his games in a Sharks uniform over the course of the last two years. It makes sense that McLellan will take even longer to get Mitchell in.

With newcomers like Scott Nichol, Manny Malhotra, and Jed Ortmeyer replacing his minutes, and guys like Joe Thornton and Dany Heatley chipping in, there's not a whole lot of room out there for him to contribute. Yes, he will allow McLellan to ease the burden off of the unit as a whole, and yes, he is going to eventually contribute here. Just don't expect it right away.

Han Solo: I led a guerilla operation of half bear midgets against an Imperial Armada upon my return. Can we expect this type of performance from Mitchell when he hits the ice?

FTF Staff: We're all excited that Mitchell is coming back. But remember, this is a guy who scored only 10 goals two years ago. While that's impressive for a 22 year old, he's missed more than a year with two separate, significant leg injuries.

Don't get us wrong, we're crossing our fingers in hopes that he continues his development and contributes to this team. But it's just as likely that he'll struggle out of the gate, hit a rough patch during the year, or suffer another injury. It's the nature of the game, and at this point in his career, you really don't know what to expect of him. So temper your expectations because he's not the second coming of Gretzky.

Or Steve Austin for that matter.

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Prediction: Sharks win 3-2. Goals by Boyle, Joslin, and Malhotra. Torrey Mitchell doesn't play and our girlfriends shake their head in embarrassment.

 

Go Sharks.

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"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’ll go with that score prediction. I just hope it’s not 3-0 and one point first. I’m getting tired of this opposition come back shit.

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Matt's night...

Jackie: Come to bed honey.

Matt: Can’t yet baby. Plank and I are working on something. It’s important.

Jackie: Is that Han Solo?

Matt: …

Jackie: Goodnight, Matt.

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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

that is hilarious!

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Nov 17, 2009 7:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hilarious! it’d be 10x funnier if it was true too

"Chocolate?! This is doo-doo baby!"

by c.perez on Nov 17, 2009 8:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It is.

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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 17, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a feeling it was … can so see something like that playing out … I would be rolling my eyes while saying goodnight

tho I do think having boys has made me somewhat more tolerant … or maybe it’s my age … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Nov 17, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oddly enough

in my house, it’d be the guy rolling his eyes, but only after he discovered I was writing about hockey.

resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, that is too funny!

"Chocolate?! This is doo-doo baby!"

by c.perez on Nov 17, 2009 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You poor bastard.

by Nael M. on Nov 17, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong, she’s a Star Wars fan. But when 11 o’clock comes around and I’m still talking with Plank about Torrey Mitchell and Han Solo, it’s not going to end well.

Even though it did.

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by That'll Cheech You on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually have run into the opposite problem in the past. Whenever Jackie a woman sees a picture of Han Solo, I get a pillow over my face and they start calling me a mercenary. No idea what this stuff means.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stay on target!

resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Nov 17, 2009 6:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Steve Austin and Han Solo? Do some of the kids here even know who Steve Austin is? (yes, I realized I just aged myself)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Nov 17, 2009 7:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The million dollar man, I only know about him from 40 year old virgin

Im Bill Romanowski, EAT MY STEROIDS OR ILL EAT YOUR F***ING BRAINS!!

by SLOSharks on Nov 17, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget family guy, always a good reference to pop culture

“We can rebuild him, we have the technology…but I don’t want to spend a lot of money.”

...Thornton to Murray. HE SCORES!!! DOUGLAS MURRAY! With his first goal of the year. What's he doing way up there??? - Randy Hahn

by DownRUpLYB on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

[link]

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s pretty good odds they may be thinking of a different Steve Austin.

by Nael M. on Nov 17, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*Insert Glass Shattering Sound Effect*

...Thornton to Murray. HE SCORES!!! DOUGLAS MURRAY! With his first goal of the year. What's he doing way up there??? - Randy Hahn

by DownRUpLYB on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post.

As a self proclaimed Star Wars nerd, I dig all of the references. Good job, once again.

Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 17, 2009 7:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It is a crippling pain

to know that the sharks are playing and I have no chance of watching it.

It ignites a fury within me akin to the white hot passion of one thousand burning suns.

I shouldn't have said anything.

by perkins.kit on Nov 17, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is NHL center ice not even showing it?

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Nov 17, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no televised broadcast in either SJ or Nashville… so unless they’re flying out announcers to do this themselves there is nothing to watch.

It’s a good thing I enjoy listening to Dan and Jamie

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs


“Um, excuse me, Mr. Evilducks. That’s not entirely accurate.”

Sometimes they’ll have a feed online of the Jumbotron at the game. Now it’s obviously not the same and the production value is terrible, but if there’s anyone who can’t handle the radio for whatever reason, keep your nose to the ground and you should be able to find this.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, turns out I’m wrong… no surprises there.

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh. I just remember it a couple times from last season, as well as a preseason game earlier this year if I remember correctly. It really was just more of an opportunity to slip in an Independence Day reference.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good reference.

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like mymclife remembers the same thing.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

who’s feed this is. But my normal place to watch a Versucks game has it on the schedule for 8 pm eastern tonite

http://www.atdhe.net/#

BTW, this is courtesy of Idunno, who holds my internet challenged hand when it comes to this sort of thing

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, modesty. I taught him that one

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by Dave Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My expectations are severely tempered. However, 10 goals and 10 assists playing with the likes of Shelley, Grier (who couldn’t hit an open net to save his life), Goc and Rismiller made his accomplishments seem that much better. And you could see the impact he had on the game. Strong forechecking, skating like the wind, finishing his checks and solid PK is what Torrey does well…not much unlike our new instant favorite: Scotty Nichol.

So I wonder what line he would fit best with. Despite Manny liking skating aside Nichol, I would keep them separate as Centers.

McGinn-Malhotra-Ortmeyer
Shelley-Nichol-Mitchell

Nichol with Michell seems like a great fit to me. They both bring solid energy and forechecking and as a pair might be able to mask Shelley’s deficiencies. Similarly, Shelley’s size compliments them well. How many odd-man rushes/breakaways would Nichol and Mitchell have?…I’d like to find out.

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Nov 17, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad bottom 6...

However TM did say that he would not dismantle that third line just to fit Mitchell in. If anything, I’d go with the following lines:

Malhotra-Nichol-Ortmeyer

Shelley/Staubitz-Mitchell-McGinn

I think Mitchell and McGinn can perform the same odd-man rushes that Nichol and Mitchell would, without sacrificing that great third line’s chemistry. Both of those lines have players that are more than willing to throw the body around, and can supply plenty of PK help. Hell, anyone on those two lines can kill penalties, with the obvious exception of Shelley

"Chocolate?! This is doo-doo baby!"

by c.perez on Nov 17, 2009 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When Malhotra was up on the second line, the line of McGinn-Nichol-Ortmeyer had great chemistry too. I’m pretty sure that any line with some combination of McGinn, Ortmeyer, Nichol and Malhotra will play as well as the third line has been playing all season.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McGinn

I keep thinking McGinn is actually Mitchell 2.0…
Its been so long since TM played (discounting his brief appearance), but if I try and remember how he contributed it was speed, tempo, pace, more speed. I watch McGinn and feel like his has slightly less straight ahead speed but more strength and touch with the puck. If you pair those two with someone with any hands they could be banging in some uglies with a degree of regularity we have not seen from Team Teal’s line 4 since, well…um…ever.

What did we pray for this off season? A big splash, new leadership, a goalie without a leaky 5er, and a bunch of secondary scoring to lighten the load of the bigger guns. What did we get??

Some pretty compelling evidence that the magic man Doug W knows his shit.
oh yeah and you can publicly humiliate the man but you cant take the C out of Marleau.

Here's to the second round!

by Aero72 on Nov 17, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been so long...

That everyone thinks TM means Todd McClellan

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been so long...

That I have to look up the spelling of his name

Here's to the second round!

by Aero72 on Nov 17, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I’m still trying to remember Rissmiller in a Sharks Jersey…

It’s been that long (regular season)

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see this as the eventual pairing if Mitchell can prove his worth in the faceoff circle. Until then, it makes a lot of sense to have Nichol centering one line and Malhotra centering the other.

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Nov 17, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

Mitchell last took a face off while playing under Ron Wilson. Wilson never stressed face offs like McLellan does, he may have been practicing a lot… what the hell else has he had to do lately?

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

Except that I might want to split Nichol and Mitchell as neither of them is terribly big. The presence of a Malhotra or a McGinn opens up the game for a speedster like Mitchell as someone can get net presence and give them some room to work with.

Still, if this was our lines, I wouldn’t have too many complaints.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not overly worried with Mitchell and Nichol being together. You don’t have to be big to cause havoc, as Nichol is demonstrating this year.

Aside from a few players most of our team is fairly large and this year they are all throwing the body around. Look at Joe hit totals so far (34), I don’t remember him playing like this last year. Sure, he’s putting up numbers, but he’s playing a different kind of hockey while doing it.

Sure, he’s not hitting people at the clip that Nichol (64) is… but even Crankshaft (60) is barely keeping up with him. Clowe (43) and Orts (37) round out the top 5 on the team.

This is a team full of big bodies that will hit you, a couple small guys playing together will be fine, if anything it’ll confuse the hell out of the other team. Not only is it the smallest line on the team, it’s the line that is going to hit you the most and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it because they’re way faster than you.

Wasn’t Mitchell’s line last time he played in the regular season Rissmiller – Mitchell – Grier? It’s not like Riss was a big intimidating force out their either. He’ll be fine.

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McGinn-Malhotra-Ortmeyer
Shelley-Nichol-Mitchell

I’m with you on those lines until Mitchell gets back to 100%. If he’s playing up to the expectations that his contract dictates ($1.36 M a year), then I bump Ortmeyer down and push Mitchell up.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 17, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

accelerated story progression

We’re gonna need a montage!
A sports-training montage!
Even Rocky had a montage!

by Section223 on Nov 17, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You know, with a team that carried both Shelley and Staubitz on their active roster, I’d never expect that we’d need to call up an enforcer-type player.

Also, a line completely made up of Worcester call-ups is scary similar to what happened in March.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Nov 17, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Luckily, this is November. A much better time for such things to be happening.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 17, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who is excited about that 4th line? It could be one of the “lines of the future” for the Sharks. We’ll finally get to see the BUST with two guys who can actually play. If the Sharks have a lead, I want to see them out there.

by tarlinian on Nov 17, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m kinda surprised Greiss is starting again. I figured he would if the Sharks won in Chicago, but since they ended up losing, I kinda figured Nabby would get the start and a chance to rebound with a win…especially with a few days off before the next game. Shows what I know!

It’ll be nice to see McLaren up again! Dude’s a beast.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I vote people should stop hurting.

by idunno723 on Nov 17, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTC update

Ruh roh…Setoguchi and Staubitz will be out of the lineup tonight.

In other news: Ferriero and McLaren called up; Greiss gets the start

by Section223 on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Too slow

Also, how do you not include Bust in the list of players coming up?

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to know why Greiss is getting starts on the game after the back to backs instead of the actual back to backs… which I assume Nabby will start both of this weekend…

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Whoa Breaking News!

Brendan Shanahan just announced his retirement!!! I’m sure someone beat me to it with a fanshot but here it is. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4664533

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Nov 17, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

great career

Honestly one of the players i always coveted, especially during his Shark-killer Red Wings days. IMO Hall of Famer.

...Thornton to Murray. HE SCORES!!! DOUGLAS MURRAY! With his first goal of the year. What's he doing way up there??? - Randy Hahn

by DownRUpLYB on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree

one of those guys you hate because they’re so damn good. HOF worthy in my eyes as well.

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Greiss is starting, apparently.

I like to watch this kid.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Nov 17, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

this game isn’t televised. Figures. I missed his start against Philly, and he was underwhelming against Nashville last time.. With no one watching, he’ll probably have a monster game.

by mattcaffeine on Nov 17, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As already mentioned

The most awesome site in the world has the game scheduled for some kind of stream.

CUIDADO: Estoy Borracho!

by joe579 on Nov 17, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll believe it

…when I see it. If there is no tv crew there, best we can get is live stats and a radio feed.

by mattcaffeine on Nov 17, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm skeptical

but hopeful.

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Nov 17, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody mentioned it before

Mymclife and Plank specifically,

Apparently they take the jumbotron video feed and overlay a radio broadcast on to it. That’s how they stream it on gamecenter anyway.

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

was that a shot on goal by the Sharks?

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ooops… wrong thread…

by Evilducks on Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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