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Sharks Considering Euro Trip

The NHL Board of Governors recently concluded their most recent meetings in Pebble Beach and Sharks President and Chief Executive Officer Greg Jamison acknowledged the possibility.

"We have been invited to go and we’re in the process of discussing it," said Jamison. "We’re optimistic we might do it."

- sjsharks.com

If one had to venture a guess, I'd say there's a very good chance the Sharks end up heading overseas to begin the 2010-2011 campaign. Everything but official.

And with that comes some opinions which run the gamut from positive to negative.

The travel issue is obviously at the forefront of the discussion here, and rightfully so-- San Jose is already one of the most travel burdened clubs in the NHL. Throwing in a trip to Europe, especially if the organization manages to make a deep run into the playoffs this season, will only compound those issues. Speaking to David Pollak of Working The Corners, Douglas Murray stated as much by saying, "Seeing how some teams have done with that whole travel and stuff, I don’t know if I’m excited about that part of it."

On the other end of the spectrum, of course, is the business side of operations. While traveling overseas results in a loss of one home game's worth of revenues and concessions, the potential expansion of a team's fanbase and establishment in new markets provide an opportunity for the brand to grow. Furthermore, foreign born-players such as the aforementioned Douglas Murray, are afforded the chance to play in front of their friends and family in what is likely the first (and last) time in their NHL careers. And then you have foreign fans, like current Fear The Fin reader Brit Shark, who won't have to wake up at 3 A.M. to catch a game.

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8.625 12.5 10 12.125 11.375 8.375

Here's the table for all the NHL teams who went to Europe the last two complete seasons-- as with the graph, you can see that the middle of the season (around the 20-40 game mark) generally doesn't bode well for the worldwide travelers, as the increased mileage from earlier in the year starts to catch up to them.

When looking at the team's individual schedules, it was easy to see the struggles Anaheim, Los Angeles, and Ottawa went through immediately after returning to North America. Those were some of the worst, if not the worst, five game stretches during the entire season. No surprise considering time zone changes and bearing the brunt of travel compared to opponents, but it is definitely worth adding as a footnote to the midseason dry spell we see as well. On the other end of the spectrum are the New York Rangers, who played their best hockey upon immediate return.

One would think that a trip to Europe doesn't deserve the stigma it's currently garnered, what with the Pittsburgh Penguins playing in a Stanley Cup Final during 2008, shipping off to Stockholm, and then coming back to play in yet another Stanley Cup Final the following season (which they won). However, it's hard to make the case that there isn't potential harm to a team's on-ice performance, especially for a bubble team that cannot afford to start the season slow. The decreased practice time caused by the massive road trip also isn't helping matters.

At the end of the day, I find myself somewhere in the gooey middle, much like my feelings on the eight Sharks who have made a case to play for their country in the Olympic games-- if it doesn't happen there will be little complaint, but if it does, there's no reason to think that it will be the kiss of death.

We'll save that moniker for the month of May.

 

Go Sharks.

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by jwizzle241 on Dec 18, 2009 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

As I stated previously when this was brought up, all 30 teams will eventually have to play over there, might as well look at the positives and start making our travel plans when we know it’s our turn to go. :)

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by ang6666 on Dec 18, 2009 7:22 AM PST reply actions  

I'd trade a Euro trip....

For an outdoor Winter Classic game, any day of the week.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Dec 18, 2009 7:24 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Hear, hear.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 18, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Drew said it isn’t cold enough hear to do it….was he in town last week? It was freezing in my area, and below in some areas. I would LOVE to see one at AT&T park. But, that is probably a far off dream.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 18, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

If they were to do one in California, I’d have to assume they would use The Coliseum in Los Angeles. Makes more sense from a market and capacity standpoint, especially if the Kings continue their progression to the Western Conference elite.

Regardless, an outdoor game in California would be awesome.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 18, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, in reply to it being a far off dream— I actually think they’re going to be looking for some irregular venues down the road, once the outdoor game begins to lose it’s uniqueness for advertisers and fans. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them kick the idea around 3-4 years down the line.

While we’re on topic, it’s possible Canada will be getting a Winter Classic next season.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 18, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally...

…I get the feeling that, if anything, the California teams would be visiting a cold-weather team for a Winter Classic instead of playing each other. However, if it were in California, why not hold it at Squaw Valley (where the 1960 Olympics were held) or any of the other numerous winter vacation spots around Lake Tahoe?

Sure, you’d have to set up temporary stands in addition to the rink and they likely wouldn’t seat as much as a football or baseball stadium, but it would offer a nice backdrop of the Sierra Nevada and maybe even Tahoe itself to the game. It worked for the KHL All-Star game to have so many Moscow landmarks visible in exchange for fewer seats outside, didn’t it?

by Nael M. on Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

This is exactly what I was thinking. We already have a suitable location that would be absolutely gorgeous even if it was a clear day. Sure, it’s not a home rink for any CA team but it’d be amazing nonetheless. I’d go, that’s for sure.

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by CTGray on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

As much as I would love that, and I'd be there in a heart beat

I’m not sure it would work. The rink at squaw would be tough to set up any kind of temporary seating at without some major modifications, IIRC, especially for such a huge event. Plus to get up there you need to take the tram, that might be tough to do for so many people/media/players/coaches/trainers/etc. I simply dont think there is enough room up there honestly. This is one of those things I hope I’d be wrong about though because that would be awesome.

by sharks on Dec 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

but what do I know

went looking for a picture of the rink and found this and this:

but this is how I remember it:

so there are either two rinks or they changed it since the 60’s to make it more of an outdoor feel. I honestly don’t know so there’s a good chance I’m wrong about it being able to be there. the resort itself is certainly big enough.

by sharks on Dec 18, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

But it’s not a one or another type of thing … it’s a “every team in the NHL will have to do the Euro thing only the few lucky get a Winter Classic” … so I say, let’s get to do both! And someone needs to let the NHL know that Tahoe is just a hop, skip and a jump over from here !!

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by ang6666 on Dec 18, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I sometimes feel

Like I’m the only hockey fan who DOESN’T like the Winter Classic. Glad to know people feel the same.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Why don’t you?

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by ang6666 on Dec 18, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems like a novelty for the most part

Also, when the weather is THAT cold, it affects the quality of the game in my opinion.

Take football games in the snow for instance. Yes, it’s amazing that the guys can play in that weather, but it takes some of the skill away when you can’t throw in poor visibility or bad handling conditions.

Indoors, there’s more opportunity to showcase skill, because the environment is better controlled. How many times have we been frustrated by bad ice at HP or at the Pond, or that atrocious game in Carolina?

The extra break in the third to have the teams switch sides so wind conditions aren’t an unfair advantage are also annoying and break up the flow of the game. Don’t need another whistle in the game in my opinion.

It’s not a BAD game, it’s just not worth anywhere NEAR the hype it gets in my opinion.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 18, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me guess – you must of not grew up playing hockey outdoors.

Most of the NHL athletes did, however. I did too, and I love the concept that guys go back and play on the ice.

In fact, even high school hockey back home is played mostly outdoors.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

I can barely skate.

I’m sure the event is a treat for the players. As a non-playing fan generally watching two teams I don’t much care about in the Winter Classic, the game is simply not a big deal to me.

But it makes the league money, keeps the NHL high profile, and gets the casual fan interested. I’m okay with that. I just don’t devote my afternoon to that particular game.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 18, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I mainly watch it because it’s on January 1st and there is not much else to do or watch. I much rather prefer it to meaningless college bowls that are on that day.

Well, and it is fun to watch players duke it out in the cold, just like we did back in the day. The only difference is we typically played and practiced in the dark time of the day. I wonder if they’ll ever hold Winter Classic under artificial lighting.

Another interesting question – will they finally have a fight? With Flyers playing, methinkso.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Take football games in the snow for instance. Yes, it’s amazing that the guys can play in that weather, but it takes some of the skill away when you can’t throw in poor visibility or bad handling conditions.

tell that to Tom Brady in the 51-0 massacre of the Titans in heavy snow.

But back to the WC, I do agree that it is novelty, but that’s the whole point isn’t it? Even though the conditions were horrid for the first one, when Crosby scored the SO winner in the snow, that was pretty cool to see.

I think what the big picture aim (aside from the $$$) is to showcase the sport of hockey, and less to do with the individual game itself. The NHL is a distant 4th in the major US sports landscape, so even if this is a gimmick, if they can bring more attention and create some type of tradition with it (like Thanksgiving NFL games), I think it’s better for the league overall.

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by DownRUpLYB on Dec 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously a Winter Classic game would require less travel. I’d get tickets to a Sharks Winter Classic game in a heartbeat.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Fame at last!

Seriously though, from a European fan’s perspective this would be simply amazing if, as looks probable, this goes ahead for the Sharks next term.

I’m not likely to be in the Bay Area until next Christmas and, despite the fact I’ll try and cram in two or three games if we have a convenient homestand this time next year, that’s a hell of a long time to wait for my next taste of live hockey.

So from my point of view, and that of another UK-based Sharks fan I ran into over at WTC while discussing this, this would be fantastic. A weekend away in a European capital and some Sharks hockey? Doesn’t get much better than that.

Obviously this sort of trip will take it out of the players, but this is the way US sports are going now. The NBA and NFL have staged games in London and the NHL is obviously going down that track. As numerous observers have noted here and elsewhere, we’ll have to do it eventually, and what better way to attract more fans like myself than by taking this great team to Europe?

Bring it on!

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by BritShark on Dec 18, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

NHL is a lot more popular outside of US

so it’s time to get on with the fact that it’s ok for them to play a few games in Europe every year. In most European countries, especially Northern, Central and Eastern Europe, hockey is no. 2 or even no. 1 sport.

Although now it doesn’t matter to me since I live here, if I was still living in Europe, I’d be thrilled for a chance to see a live NHL game in my own hometown.

When I went to my first live NHL game, I had goose bumps all throughout the game – it was a dream come true. Oh yea, and Ovechkin scored that goal that night..

Finally, what would happen if all Europeans left NHL to go back to play in Europe?

It’s only fair that the league gives back.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Nice to give back... BUT

How would you compare this to the proposal that the Coyotes play 5 home games a year in Saskatoon?

TSN is about as nationalistic as they come, but their “experts” roundly rejected the idea, saying that if you were to have a home game, why would it not be at home? And if you can’t make money in your home market, what are you doing there?

This situation is obviously a bit different than the Coyotes. They ARE cash strapped, and it could help them bring in some bucks, and there is some history, but it could be harmful, etc. etc.

In this situation, the league is just extending some goodwill, and that’s never a bad thing.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m actually a proponent of Coyotes getting the hell out of Arizona. The sooner the better. I’ve been to a game there, and it’s akin to sitting in ballet. The locals (except a chosen few) couldn’t give a damn either. They care as much about hockey as we care about Earthquakes or Sabercats.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Haven’t the Sabercats and Arena Football in general gone the way of the Dodo?

Or is that more the point… Arizonians wouldn’t even notice the loss of the team for the most part?

by Evilducks on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. As did the Earthquakes, who won the championship, then disappeared and no one even noticed. Now they’re back, but who cares.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

i don't care so much

but that situation just sucked. no stadium deal so championship team decides to move. another dagger, once they moved to Houston they won immediately. Earthquakes come back, but they’re not the same level as the previous incarnation. Nevertheless, for the most part outside of the core fanbase, Earthquakes really don’t get any love.

I’ve always wondered, if Phoenix did/does move though, who fills in the gap in the Pacific Division? Vancouver? Colorado? hrmmm…

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by DownRUpLYB on Dec 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Earthquakes actually have a small but really dedicated fanbase. Go to a game they’re crazy. I was trying to find a video but this was the best. The whole time they’re yelling, screaming, banging drums.

by idunno723 on Dec 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that’s how people cheer at soccer games elsewhere in the world, so I don’t find it surprising. I think MLS fanbase overall is mostly compromised of Latinos and Europeans, so they bring their habits with them.

I haven’t been to Earthquakes games here, but I’ve been to MLS games elsewhere.

Speaking of Earthquakes, could they think of a stupider name for a franchise?

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I think it’s a pretty good name. It’s akin to Colorado Avalanche. Perfect for the region.

by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 19, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If he scored that goal when you were there, you should watch The Great 8 more often.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I know. I use whatever chances I get.

Still looking for reasonably priced tickets for next week’s game when he’s in town.

by Ivano M on Dec 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

For an idea on who our opponents could be...

Click here.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Dec 18, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

Whoops

Opponent… singular.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Dec 18, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

WHOOOO! MY ICE SKATING STUDENT BOUGHT ME A SHARKS 3RD FOR XMAS!!!

too bad she didn’t know Cheechoo got traded.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

There’s an off topic thread, ya know. And a Cheech jersey is still good, in my opinion. I’d wear it despite him not being a Shark and his tailing off career as he was awesome for us.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 18, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

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