San Jose Sharks 2010 Olympic Hockey Preview: Part Two
The 2010 Games in Vancouver are fast approaching, with final rosters set to be announced in late December. SB Nation has been running a network wide preview series chronicling the likelihood of individual players making their respective country's roster, and pocket aces dropped today-- it's Fear The Fin's turn to make our grand entrance onto the big stage.
As I see it, the San Jose Sharks have a couple locks and a smorgasbord of remaining hopefuls that boast a myriad of different skills; these hopefuls will either need to elevate or hold their current level of play in order to make their inclusion later this month the right choice for their country.
Make the jump for evaluations of Greiss, Boyle, Pavelski, and Murray.
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Although Thomas Greiss has seen all of four starts for the San Jose Sharks this season, Germany's pool of available goaltenders makes it a near certainty that Thomas Greiss will start in net for his national team, with former San Jose Shark Dimitri Patzold making a bid for the backup role.
Germany will have a tough time competing with the Big Seven, and the lack of a relatively strong defensive core could highlight Greiss' tendency to heavily challenge shooters and sometimes find himself out of position for the follow up opportunity. The hope is that the move from a six team two pool format into a four team three pool format (with all teams advancing to single elimination) can give Team Germany an opportunity to get hot at the right moment and do some damage.
Unfortunately, that doesn't look very likely.
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Boyle is an interesting case when it comes to Team Canada, and although he is one of the best offensive defenseman in the game today, you have to wonder how they are going to approach the blueline. There's a lot of firepower amongst the forwards; it stands to reason they're considering putting a little extra muscle in the defensive zone because of it. I wouldn't call San Jose's number one defenseman a slouch in his own end by any means, but he's definitely no world beater-- do you go with a guy whose skating ability could elicit a tear from even the notoriously callous Scott Stevens, or do you go with a guy who plays like the aforementioned wall of steel? It's a question that doesn't have a clear cut answer, but with Jay Bouwmeester, Scott Niedermayer, Chris Pronger, and Duncan Keith already locks for the team, the road to a starting spot in Vancouver for Boyle may not be as smooth as it currently seems.
That leaves us with two starting spots left on the roster. Drew Doughty has raised a lot of eyebrows around the league*, with some circles calling for him to make the team-- others have Seabrook penciled in to play with Keith considering the familiarity they have with one another-- this could pay off dividends since the teams have a very short time to practice together.
*We're talking Patrick Marleau eyebrows here.
Beyond that you have Shea Weber, Robyn Regehr, and Dan Boyle. Regehr may warrant some attention as he and Bouwmeester could be considered in the same boat as Keith-Seabrook. Dion Phaneuf probably has some supporters somewhere, but I'd be very surprised if he is even getting a second look from the Canadian brass-- very subpar in the defensive zone, and although an Olympic team won't be hampered by his overpaid contract, taking a flyer on him based off reputation alone is not a recipe for success.
So where does that leave us? With five worthy defensemen fighting over two starting spots and the healthy scratch. If I'm Steve Yzerman I take Weber, Seabrook, and Boyle, with Seabrook pairing with fellow Blackhawk Duncan Keith, Pronger and Niedermayer obviously going together, and Weber/Boyle pairing with Bouwmeester depending on the night. It gives you a good combination of firepower throughout your pairings, and anchors one of the lines with a great defensive defenseman.
No matter which way you cut it, Canada is stacked in this department. Here's to Dan Boyle getting cracking the first Olympic roster of his career without the whole team alternate situation rearing it's head again.
Joe Pavelski runs into the same situation as Dan Boyle to a degree in that the Americans, while not nearly as deep as the Canadians, do boast a decent crop of forwards that can put the puck in the net. That being said, he impressed a lot of folks during the orientation camp this summer and has played for head coach Ron Wilson before as well as playing against GM Brian Burke when he was with Anaheim. His injury to start the year didn't help his bid, but his noteworthy play after returning has proved that he is not hampered by any lingering issues in his foot.
Like Patrick Marleau, Joe Pavelski will be able to play an excellent two way game and help shore up the United States penalty kill. With Team USA mainstays Scott Gomez and Chris Drury having fairly porous outings this season, the opportunity is there for him to jump into the starting rotation as either a center, or play on the right wing. An enticing possibility would be for him to play with fellow American Ryan Kesler of the Vancouver Canucks in a shutdown role-- Team USA has very little hope of being able to outgun the likes of Russia, Canada, and Sweden once they advance out of pool play, and establishing a physical game with an influx of young players might be the best route to take considering the strength of the goaltending class and what's shaping up to be a surprisingly above average top six defensive unit.
Ron Wilson, as we are well aware of, has been known to favor a defensive style of play. Pavelski has been a winner at every level he's played at and can bring intangibles to the squad's run at avenging Salt Lake in 02. For that reason I think he gets the nod.
Just don't pencil him in quite yet.
Going into this season there was no indication Douglas Murray would be anything but a stretch when talking about a strong Swedish roster, but with Nicklas Lidstrom extending his blessing earlier this year (a blessing that must be akin to a kiss from the Pope), speculation on whether or not Murray would crack the starting lineup has ramped up considerably.
That being said, there's still a fair amount in his way.
Nicklas Lidstrom, Mattias Ohlund, and Alexander Edler are the locks here, and after that you get into some gray area-- Niklas Kronwall is currently out for 4-8 weeks with a sprained MCL in his left knee, and while that doesn't necessarily write him out of the top six for the Swedes, it does open up the playing field for some other notables to make their bid. On this short list we have Victor Hedman (whose inclusion would likely be welcomed by the country at large along with an opportunity to play with Lightning teammate Ohlund), Johnny Oduya (who has taken a step back in his game from last season, Anton Stralman (a member of the 2009 World Championship team who has played well this season with the Columbus Blue Jackets and could help quarterback the power play), along with numerous other notables from the NHL such as Tobias Enstrom, Nicklas Grossman, Jonathan Ericsson, among others. There's a slew of players from across the pond who I am admittedly not all too familiar with, but it's a deep class for the third best IIHF team going into the tournament.
There's three aspects of this year's Olympics that benefit Murray-- the aforementioned blessing from Lidstrom, the fact that his grandfather is a hero in Sweden for his international accomplishments, and the Games being played on an NHL sized rink. His physical play would be an asset in this arena, and as long as he is paired with an offensive minded defenseman, the hope is that they will be able to compliment each other such as the current pairing of Boyle-Murray has done for San Jose.
It's going to take one helluva performance to crack the top six, but I'm sure Murray will at least make the team as an alternate. Beyond that I'd have to chock this one up to a coin flip.
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Devin Setoguchi, Rob Blake, and Marc-Edouard Vlasic are three notable San Jose Sharks who will not be making the trip to Vancouver. If Setoguchi and Vlasic continue to progress and grow their games (in the defensive and physical categories respectively), a date in 2014 could be in the cards.
Until then, and until December, it's just going to be a game of wait and see.
Go Sharks Team USA.
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Let’s hope Nabby & Griess BOTH stay healthy in the Olympics….beeekuzzz well um….
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by theneverman on Dec 2, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another point I forgot to put in the piece— if a game goes to shootouts, Pavelski would be a good addition to the American roster.
Admittedly it’s a small factor, but anything counts when making the Pavelski push. Hopefully his Olympic career is exiting the womb!*
*Oh the photoshops that are lined up if he makes the team.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on SO situation. When in NHL it’s just a matter of 1 point, here we’re talking medals and advancement into the next round. It’s especially important seeing how just about all other SO superstars in the NHL are Europeans.
Finally, I think Pavs would go simply because RW discovered him and trusted him with a spot on the roster. If Pavs was coming through juniors now, when Worcester Shuttle is in full action – I wonder if he’d ever make it into a player that is he is now.
by Ivano27 on Dec 2, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on SO situation. When in NHL it’s just a matter of 1 point, here we’re talking medals and advancement into the next round. It’s especially important seeing how just about all other SO superstars in the NHL are Europeans.
Toss in the fact that Team USA will hopefully try to play a tight defensive game that limits scoring opportunities, and shootouts may loom even larger. Good point.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think that’s why Slava Kozlov has a good chance of making Team Russia, since he’s got the exact same percentage in SO as Pavs – 57%, with a lot of shots taken.
Plus, he’s got SC rings and is having a good season.
by Ivano27 on Dec 2, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s definitely not an end all be all of who makes the team (i.e. Erik Christensen need not apply), but with the respective seasons of Kozlov and Pavelski are having, I’m sure it will help.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Color me selfish
But I want Boyle to not make the team. No question he deserves the consideration he’s getting, but I’m a Sharks fan first, and I want him to be rested, especially given the recent injury, and our overall lack of significant depth on D. If he’s going to be our 30 minute man, I don’t feel the need to add 2 weeks of fishbowl treatment to his season tallies. Also, yeah, Canada’s stacked. They don’t need any favors trying to win gold. Let the Blackhawks suffer 2 of their D-men seeing the added wear and tear.
Of course, if he does make the team, I’ll be thrilled to see it.
Of course, I’m even more thrilled to see the Gold Medal Game in person, but that just seems like further bragging.
The same analysis basically applies to Douglas Murray as well.
On the matter of Joe Pavelski, yes, he’s been hurt, and we already call on him for a lot of PK minutes, but given that he’s American and that’s my team, I’m definitely pulling for him to make that roster.
(Of course, if he has a good showing, it’s going to make it that much harder to sign him, Seto AND Patty, but alas, this is the Salary Cap world we live in).
Thomas Greiss I’m very excited to see get the chance to play at the Olympics. Arguably, Christian Ehrhoff’s best stretch of play for us was after the Olympics in ‘06 when he had to line up against the world’s best. I think the reps and the pressure will do wonders for Greiss, who still has some holes in his game, but is certainly a serviceable prospect who could yet be an 40-50 game NHL goalie.
It is a pity there’s not a spot for Pickles. I wonder if the pressure cooker would help his game (which has been on a bit of an upswing lately).
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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is a pity there’s not a spot for Pickles. I wonder if the pressure cooker would help his game (which has been on a bit of an upswing lately).
Ironically, he really started to flourish once Blake went down with his injury. I’m not sure there’s a relationship there, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Hear you on the fatigue factor, and I’m in the same boat but only to a point— if they don’t make the team I exhale a small sigh of relief, but if they do make the team I’m fully behind it. There’s something magical about playing for your country, especially for a player like Boyle whose shot at making the team will probably only apply to this year— toss in the fact that it’s in Canada and I can’t bear to root against him.
I have a piece planned for February that looks at performances during Olympic years for players who go to the games, so hopefully that will give us a better idea of what we can expect to see.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, the fatigue issue doesn’t even factor in. I think, if anything, playing in the olympics will help our players as they will be up against the best, and I think also pretty jazzed about getting to represent their country. And the best players all around the NHL will be dealing with the same issues as our top players are, so its not like we’ll be at some epic disadvantage here.
If I’m going to have to go two weeks without Sharks hockey (and for the olympics, its definately worth it…as I said in the other thread, I love olympic hockey), I’d like to be able to cheer for as many Sharks as possible.
Handicapping the situation, with no real research other than the tidbits I read here and there, I’d have to say I think Greiss, Murray, and Pavelski make their teams, while Boyle does not. I hope I am wrong and that all our players get to play for their team (especially Boyle and Murray, who both really really seem very passionate about making their teams, and especially Boyle, where this might be his last shot at playing for Team Canada).
GO SHARKS WHO MAKE OLYMPIC TEAMS! …AND USA!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Look no further than Penguins who played in one SCF, had a short break, started in Europe, and then were as fresh as ever for Game 7 of another SCF.
by Ivano27 on Dec 2, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In general
I think you’re right. Hockey players are surprisingly tough individuals. And it’s the ones that can play through the fatigue, the injuries, and the grind of an 82 season and deep into springtime hockey that win trophies.
I make an exception for Boyle and possibly Murray for the following reasons:
We expect these guys to play big minutes. Physical minutes. Forwards will play 10-18 minutes a night. D play 15-30. The wear and tear on D is, to my mind, much greater. Add in the fact that we’re already pretty thin on the blue line, I don’t feel the need to have anyone on D play more games than they need. Plus, in Boyle’s case, I think he’d be targeted. Everyone is wondering how they’re going to breach the tall towers of Canada’s D (Pronger, Bouwmeester, et. al.). Smaller guys like Boyle, the book is, take the body. Should, say, an Alexander Ovechkin find himself on the ice with Boyle, I’m pretty sure he’s going to line him up.
That being said, Plank makes the best point. This is Boyle’s last legitimate chance to play at the Olympics. Remembering that, I reverse my position and wholeheartedly endorse his selection. Can you imagine him leading a breakout and dishing to the likes of Iginla, Nash and Crosby? Considering how awesome he is for us, I can only imagine how awesome he’d be with Team Canada’s ridiculously stacked forward pack. And pair him with a Pronger, or heck, even Shea Weber, and good night. Douglas Murray is a force, but imagine going D to D with someone with those kinds of rockets from the point.
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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAAA
Where did you find the cash to get tickets to the friggin GOLD MEDAL GAME?
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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Saved for a year and a half
Also, ridiculously overpaid for a “hospitality package” in order to procure said tickets.
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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Erm
Germany will have a tough time competing with the Big Seven, and the lack of a relatively strong defensive core could highlight Greiss’ tendency to heavily challenge shooters and sometimes find himself out of position for the follow up opportunity.
Seems like someone is forgetting Bobbyhoff*! Who not only will save the Canucks, but also the German Olympic team’s dreams of Gold!
*Likeness to Bobby Orr varies by game, varies by minute of game, varies by wind direction. Your mileage may vary. Your mileage will vary.
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by Morti on Dec 2, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who not only will save the Canucks, but also the German Olympic team’s dreams of Gold!
Heh, you make a compelling case. Objects in the Big Seven’s mirror are closer than they appear.
And what of Goc? Penalty killer extraordinaire, able to shut down world class forwards in a single bound!
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of this talk about players making the Olympics
and you have no suggestions for who could participate in the biathlon, ice dancing or bear wrestling? I’m disappointed.
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by Brad Lee on Dec 3, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Douglas Murray
Will be too busy playing for Team Sweden to wrestle bears.
By the by, OUTSTANDING preview piece.
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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 3, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could also make a case for Brad Staubitz for Ice Dancing
The man knows how to rock a Tutu
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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 3, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pavelski
He absolutely should be on Team USA without a doubt.
One thing I’ve been thinking about, assuming he makes it. What better player to put up against Canada’s top line??? If Thornton/Marleau/Heatley and maybe even Boyle all playing together for Canada, who better than Pavelski to shut them down? he plays with them, practices with them, knows their tendencies, knows how they communicate, maybe steal some signals, etc. Maybe I’m full of crap but just a thought…
Pavelski closing in, Pavelski fires, HE SCOOORES!! 5 games not enough! The Sharks have another date in the Lone Star State!
by Fear the 8 on Dec 3, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could clone Pavelski and put out a Pavelski/Pavelski/Pavelski line to deal with Thornton/Marleau/Heatley. I mean, if one Pavelski knows what they’re going to do, imagine what the knowledge of three Pavelskis could do! :-P
In all seriousness, though, I really think Pavelski deserves to make the US team. Unfortunately, he doesn’t get much national coverage or respect, so its hard to know what the powers that be think of him.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing Ron Wilson, who loves Pavelski, is the head coach. That probably helps his chances considerably.
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by mymclife on Dec 3, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, true. That could be beneficial.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 3, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, this will be the best USA team since the 96 World Cup.
I agree. I see no reason to keep Chris Drury. Field a team with Ryan Kesler and Joe Pavelski. Either of those two are perfectly capable of playing the Drury role of a shutdown center with good offensive instincts. Both play a sort of gritty, sandpaper style that’s perfect in the NHL regulation rink.Some might argue that having Drury adds a bit of veteran experience, but there are plenty of players on the US roster that can claim to that: Jamie Langenbrunner, Rafalski, Modano.
One thing to keep in mind is that Kesler’s a natural center and so is Pavs. Playing off-wing might be awkward for either of them if you place them on the same line.
Erik Johnson’s a beast for the Blues. Glad he’s on the Americans’ side.
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