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Patty and the Postseason

[Editor's Note]: LurkerShark gives us a nice article on Patrick Marleau's postseason play. Enjoy.

Here we are in March with the Sharks in a funk and the postseason fast approaching.  To help take everyone's minds off of our hockey related issues, I thought we could all use something fun to forget about our problems and relax.  So why doesn't everyone  gather round and g...  What's that internet?  You have something you want to show me?  Oh.  God.  Dammit.  Here we go already.  

Sorry folks.  Thanks to the internet here we're going to have to forget about the fun thing I had planned and talk some shop.  This is just one of those things I can't stand.  You see what you did internet?  You ruined things for everybody here.  I hope you're happy.

Star-divide

 

It's March and the playoffs are approaching.  And if there's one thing the approach of the playoffs brings, it's the mainstream media talking about how Patrick Marleau chokes in the postseason.  And if there's one thing I just cannot stand, it's the mainstream media talking about how Patrick Marleau chokes in the postseason.  And since this is what I can only assume to be the first of many such statements, I thought I'd try and head them all off at the pass.  I'm going to try and look at this as objectively as I can.  (Well, as objectively as someone with a man-crush on him can at any rate.)

Our dear captain has made a grand total so far of 9 NHL postseasons.  That works out to 86 games with 35 goals, 8 of them game winners, and 24 assists.  But for the sake of this argument, I'm going to cherry pick just the seasons he's been the captain for since we didn't hear about this crap before Patty made captain.  It also makes for a good comparison.  Trust me, you'll see.  So without further ado, here are Patrick Marleau's numbers for the last 4 postseasons.

Season GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S
2003-04 17 8 4 12 0 6 4 1 2 45
2005-06 11 9 5 14 2 8 4 0 2 38
2006-07 11 3 3 6 -5 2 1 0 1 28
2007-08 13 4 4 8 -2 2 0 2 0 45
Totals 52 24 16 40 -5 18 9 3 5 156

So what do we see?  Well 06-07 is really where this all started.  Marleau just wasn't a factor, except for some incredibly costly mistakes, in that series.  Ever since, the press has been on his case.  Forget about the previous productive postseason he had.  That one bad series got him labeled a perennial choker.  Of course he denies it was a factor, but I have to believe that a separated shoulder contributed to his woes.  As for last season, well, based on his past performance, I'm willing to write the whole thing off as an aberration.  It was just a bad campaign all around for the captain.  (Yes, I'm looking at you Ronnie.)

As for the results of those runs?  Well I think we all know how they ended.  Except for the 03-04 campaign you only have to look so far as the top of the site to figure them out.  Is the lack of success all on the captain?  I say no.  Hockey is a team sport and it's too much to ask one man to carry the team all the way to glory and Lord Stanley's Cup.  Has Marleau made an effort to try and get the Sharks there?  His numbers say yes.  And we all remember this and how Patty was really the only Shark to step up after that hit.

Now, take a look at this:

Season GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S
2003-04 26 13 9 22 13 45 4 2 3 93
2005-06 7 5 3 8 3 11 1 1 1 24
2006-07 6 2 2 4 -2 12 0 0 1 13
2007-08 7 4 5 9 -1 2 3 0 0 27
Totals 46 24 19 43 13 70 8 3 5 157

Whose numbers are those you ask?  He wears 12 and sports the C.  That's right.  Jarome Iginla.  Now aside from 2 games in 95-96, that's Iggy's entire NHL postseason career.  Since a run to the Cup Finals, that went through us in the WCF, where they lost to the Lightning, the Flames haven't made it out of the first round.

These are incredibly similar performances from two men on two very different teams.  Neither team has had much in the way of recent playoff success, but only one of them seems to have a target painted on his back by the press when this time of the year rolls around.  Why that is, I honestly can't say.  One bad series shouldn't wipe out 7 successful prior performances.  Is it Canadian or east coast bias?  Just the usual trashing of a California hockey team through it's captain?  I don't know.  What I do know is we're going to keep hearing this crap until Marleau puts together another good postseason.

So, please, join me when I say,

Go Patty Go Patty Go Patty Go Patty Go Patty

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Go Patty! :P
Is it Canadian or east coast bias? Just the usual trashing of a California hockey team through it’s captain?

I’d say east coast bias.

Go Patty! Go Sharks! lol

by AppleSweetRose on Mar 11, 2009 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

little bit of both?

Sports isn’t fun unless you bash that other guy waaayyy over there. You know, that guy in the warm, sunny place? Yeah. He sucks.

Why?

Uh….

BECAUSE! That’s why!

We less than three you Patty.

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by CTGray on Mar 11, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

2002 Salt Lake City

2 Goals and a Gold Medal? Nothing Patty can do about it but Iginla is untouchable in Canada.

by Rob Parker on Mar 12, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice article Lurker- only problem I have is the assertion people bash Patty’s play in the postseason? Haven’t heard any of that myself, but I could be wrong.

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Mar 11, 2009 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha, and now I click the link. Wow.

Correction:
No one who knows a lick about hockey bashes Patty’s play in the postseason that I can remember. Maybe my memory is just selective (answer: yes it is).

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Mar 11, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I started seeing it last season.

After the Detroit mess. That’s what I get for reading ESPN I guess.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 11, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he deserved some of the schlock after Detroit, but that was just as much a product of the team’s play (like you mentioned) as it was his own.

Not sure where it stands now, but Patty was tied with Iggy for most postseason goals in the last three years (going into last postseason). What a player. “One bad series shouldn’t wipe out 7 successful prior performances” pretty much nails it.

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Mar 11, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

GO PATTY!

GO SHARKS!!

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?

by ang6666 on Mar 11, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

The mainstream media is filled with a bunch of over pompous and under educated/knowledgeable asshats. Fuck them. I’m going to curtail my feelings at this point, because I like coming here and would hate to get banned for vulgarity, but this is a great FanPost and I couldn’t agree more. For these people, team success=personal effort=character/morality. They are wrong.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Mar 11, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

it's all about demeanor...

If you’re the canadian media, and especially if you’re Don Cherry you yearn to despise Marleau because he is an atypical old-time Canadian hockey player. Patty Marleau is a sort of atypical Canadian hockey player in the media’s eyes. He’s not skilled enough like Gretzky, Lemieux, Sakic to be praised on pure talent and skill alone. He’s not a skilled aggressor like Claude Lemieux, Wendel Clark, Doug Gilmour. And he’s sure as heck not a power forward like Jarome Iginla, Brendan Shanahan and the likes. Jarome Iginla is arguably the closest current facsimile of Cam Neely. And we all know how much Canadians love the Comox, BC native. He fights. He scores. He throws hard checks.

Can you imagine just how large that target Marleau has on his back now would be if he was the captain in Calgary?

Marleau gets a bad rep because he’s an un-assuming leader of one of the best teams the past five years. But I think back to Stevie Yzerman who also got labeled as lazy and a choker early in his career before Detroit struck gold in 97. Now he’s frequently on top 5 lists of greatest captains in NHL history. Unfortunately for Marleau because he doesn’t play good ol’ Gordie Howe style of hockey, the media’s questioned his heart. And unfortunately, to only prove the critics wrong, he has to lead the Sharks to the Cup.

Remember that bloody check Phaneuf threw on Marleau last year?
Shit, afterwards he was a man possessed. In the dallas series, he was one of the best Sharks players. And I’m sure that it was at that moment that Don Cherry’s man crush on Marleau was at its peak.

Now if you want a real discussion, let’s talk about Joe Thornton. ;)

by Will Bulldozer on Mar 12, 2009 2:04 AM PDT reply actions  

oops, i meant corey sarich

speaking of phaneuf. not a great season he’s had.

by Will Bulldozer on Mar 12, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man-crush seconded,

and I’m not ashamed of it at all

by Chicago Shark on Mar 12, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

i am a flames fan, was linked here. i have to disagree with the comparison. first, you show bias by not including his complete playoff totals. second, the sharks during these selected playoff years, have had better teams than calgary, meaning an easier draw in the first round (to comment on your point of cgy crapping out in 1st round every year). Also marleau has had a better supporting cast than iginla has, thus either playing on the top line with thornton, or playing on the second line and not having to face opponents top line.
with that said, i have heard the marleau chokes in the playoffs from the media. i dont like it either, i think marleau is a hell of a player, and would love him on my team.

by slutnuts on Mar 12, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it seems like a pretty fair comparison. for one, there is only 6 playoff games difference between the two players. So the sampling size is pretty fair.

Also you mentioned Calgary being a weaker team. Calgary dumped the Sharks out on their way to the finals. Which team was weaker that year again?

Read the article again. The Author omitted all play off games for Marleau prior to him becoming captain. I am also going to assume that the author didnt look at Iggy’s numbers prior to Marleau being the captain either for the sake of being the sampling being accurate.

by Morti on Mar 12, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take a “being” out at the end there. Sorry.

by Morti on Mar 12, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

disagree,

they both haven’t been bad in the playoffs

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Mar 12, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point here is less a comparison of the players

than it is calling out the over pompous and under educated/knowledgeable asshats (thanks marcello) media types for a garbage branding of a good player. The Marleau/Iginla comparison works perfectly for my purposes plus it involves my favorite Shark and favorite non-Shark.

Over the same time span they have almost identical numbers and have played on teams, no matter how skilled and talented, that have had roughly the same postseason success. I’d argue Calgary has done better since they actually made the Cup Finals. If the media, especially the US media, want to use their measuring stick on Marleau, why not Iginla too?

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 12, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s cool

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?

by ang6666 on Mar 12, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

congrats!

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Mar 12, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woooooooooo

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Mar 12, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

Although, incredibly ironic that in the comments of that post, there was this:

Any time ya got Thorton and Marleau, summer comes pretty fast

(In reference to the retarded Purdy article, of course).

by mymclife on Mar 12, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was floored when I saw that this morning.

Guess I should get worked up and vent around here more often. That or quit while I’m ahead.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 12, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree with saying these guys have under-performed,

not with the comparison though

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Mar 12, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

One other factor

It’s easy not to paint Iginla as a choker because most people (at least most Canadians) remember that Iginla almost single handedly won the Gold Medal match in Salt Lake City. That stays in your mind and at the very least in your subconscious.

Ok, maybe not single handedly but that’s how my impressionable mind remembers it.

by DCDialer on Mar 12, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Good point

I forgot about that. Still doesn’t excuse ESPN and USAToday in my mind at least.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 12, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you though

My comment was not meant to attack your points but to defend Iginla who I really like. The truth of the matter is, I agree with you: I don’t see the reason why Marleau is portrayed like that.

I do remember Thornton choking with the Bruins in the 2003-2004 playoffs against my Habs though… hah!

by DCDialer on Mar 13, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

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