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Guess the Sound Byte = Ron Wilson, or Todd McLellan?


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When Ron Wilson was fired last May, the San Jose Sharks lost not only their winningest coach in franchise history, but a skilled sound byte expert as well - one who used the post-game interview to praise his team's efforts as much as he lambasted his men for their failures. 

Ronnie's successful successor, Todd McLellan, might strike you as an altogether different sort.  After all, look at Patrick Marleau's improved performance in 2008-09, which had deteriorated last season under Wilson's stone cold watch. 

Are the coaches so dissimilar?  Or is it possible they're cut from the same cloth?

The sound bytes don't tell the whole story, of course - but let's take a stroll down memory lane, and compare last season's Ron Wilson quotes to this season's Todd McLellan quotes. 

Oh - just one small thing.  You have to guess which coach said what. 

Example =

"Nabby saved the day, and some of the weak spots - some guys should buy him dinner, the guys he bailed out," Sharks coach (blank) said. "A couple of our guys, I wonder if they even know how to play on our end of the rink."

Ok ok - that one's pretty easy... or should be.  But let's see how you do after the jump, hmmm?

[Note to devoted FTF'ers - this is not an official contest, a la Pursuit of Knowledge.  Simply copy and paste a given quote into the comments section with your answer.  Your prize for correct choices - bragging rights.  No fair cheating!  Oh, and unlike other contests, this one is open to all FTF employees not named Mr. K.]

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GUESS THE SOUND BYTE!

NOTE = Gaps between quotes signify the beginning of a new quote!

Praising the Team After a Win

"Our team gave an unbelievable effort considering it was our third game in four nights," Sharks coach (blank) said. "We're just focusing on winning our division and finishing ahead of any team in the East."

"They compete for every inch, and I thought we competed for our ice," Sharks coach (blank) said. "It was a bit of an emotional game near the end, but it wasn't quite the kind of games we've been playing, a free-flowing one. It was a little uglier, a little more muck-and-grind along the boards, and I was happy with the way we competed in those areas."

Praising the Individual

(on Joe Thornton) = "Joe played unbelievable," (blank) said. "He was a force out there. He's physical, making plays. He made a decision he's going to shoot more, that he's going to score and not just look to pass. That will open up some of his playmaking abilities, because now they have to worry about him shooting."  

(on Patrick Marleau) = "Our captain stepped up just like he has to do night in and night out," coach (blank) said. "I was very happy to see him elevate his game in the third period."

(on Brian Boucher) = "I'd bet you his heart rate never got over 80."

(on Brian Boucher) =  "I'm really, really happy for Boucher," said Sharks coach (blank). Coming in behind (Evgeni Nabokov) you never know when you're going to get your starts. Bouche stepped up and he was probably our best player tonight and you need that when you're playing ugly so we're real proud of him."

Criticizing the Team After a Loss

"We weren't prepared to play at the level we needed to play at," (blank) said. "We have to talk to the leadership, but they have to be prepared night in and night out to compete and if this happens in the playoffs you have no chance of winning so you better start learning some lessons quickly."

"You have to be mentally ready, and we seem to be content reading our press clippings and seeing whatever our predictions are for where we're going to finish," (blank) said. "One turnover, and we collapse for 10 minutes."

"I thought our big-minute players played pretty well," Sharks coach (blank) said. "I was disappointed in our foot soldiers."  

"A couple bonehead plays and boom, boom, just like that, it goes from 1-0 for us to 2-1 for them and it took our energy away," (blank) said. "They're just silly elementary mistakes that maybe you make when you're a little bit tired."

Criticizing the Team After a Win

"Deep down we can't be very satisfied with our defensive effort," San Jose coach (blank) said. "We weren't very happy with the way we played, with the way we turned the puck over." 

 "We've proved to ourselves if we try to cheat or take shortcuts, it will not work out for us one bit," (blank) said. "The puck was bouncing around a lot out there. It was more like a basketball than a puck. Skilled players want it smooth and fluid. We seemed to be knocking it down a lot. It was a difficult night that way."

Criticizing Players for a Specific Reason

"We've got some guys who should be ashamed at the way they played," Sharks coach (blank) said. "There were four or five guys we count on and they weren't ready to play. On a power play we gave up the puck on a faceoff and that's embarrassing."

Humility

"It's funny. When you win some games and you come in to play against teams, they expect you to absolutely run over people," he said. "That's not the case. It's a hard league to win in and other teams are prepared for you."

Self-Assessment Compared to the Other Team

"Just flat out they were better in every situation," (blank) said. "We can come down off of our perch and everybody can look at each other and realize that we've still got some work to do."

"We were fortunate to take advantage of a team that was tired and obviously wounded. We thought if we could keep up the pressure, they would get into penalty trouble and we could take advantage of it."

Persevering

"We can't give up, and you can't veer off the plan when they don't go in," coach (blank) said. "Why change? The opportunities are there. You just keep on persevering. Right now our perseverance level is low. We've got to find a way to persevere, that's all."

Amusing, AND Self-Deprecating

"Way too many passengers. Still celebrating Christmas. Whatever," (blank) said. "We weren't prepared to play and to be quite honest with you, you could almost see it coming."

DUH

"I guess the race from now to the end of the year is important."

Frustration

"You shouldn't play the way we did in a big game like this," (blank) said. "We had an opportunity to put some distance between ourselves and (team), and we didn't do it. ... It's inexplicable to me not to have the extra passion tonight."

"It was getting a little frustrating, but it didn't affect our play," (blank) added. "We have to use our speed and particularly our size. Tonight, the way we were skating and playing, any team will have trouble down low against us."

********************************************************************************************************

PHEW - that's probably enough for now.  Are you confused or unsure?  Does your normally steadfast, trustworthy gut gurgle with anxiety? 

Answers will be revealed later today.... if I can just find my cheat sheet....

Ah crap.

[P.S. - Feel free to include your own quotes for others to guess on, in the comments.  We DO have to keep ourselves entertained somehow on a 2-game Monday]

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Humility

I believe that was McLellan.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Mar 16, 2009 1:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

McLellan

No doubt. Not near enough sarcasm for Wilson

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 2:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilson's

“Our team gave an unbelievable effort considering it was our third game in four nights,” Sharks coach (blank) said. “We’re just focusing on winning our division and finishing ahead of any team in the East.”

“A couple bonehead plays and boom, boom, just like that, it goes from 1-0 for us to 2-1 for them and it took our energy away,” (blank) said. “They’re just silly elementary mistakes that maybe you make when you’re a little bit tired.”

“We’ve got some guys who should be ashamed at the way they played,” Sharks coach (blank) said. “There were four or five guys we count on and they weren’t ready to play. On a power play we gave up the puck on a faceoff and that’s embarrassing.”

Basically anything with bonehead or ashamed seems like a no-brainer for me. Then again it is 2:30 and I’ve been looking at a school book all night.

Nice article K.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 16, 2009 2:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're definitely right

My bad. Shoulda paid closer attention. Wilson it is

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m spending too much time trying to carefully analyze these for clues.

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by CTGray on Mar 16, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Therein lies the point

They are sometimes so similar in style that it messes with our heads a little bit. Not every Ron Wilson line was dripping with sarcasm, or ladden with criticism, nor is every Todd McLellan quote full of high praise.

Truthfully, after I edited the quotes (note the "blanks"), I promptly forgot who said what. Rest assured that I have the information in a file, which I’ll pull up later today, if anyone is interested.

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely interested- it’s obviously hand picked quotes, but for all the obvious differences (I haven’t heard McLellan use words like “bonehead” or "ashamed") it’s cool to see how the majority of post game comments run along the same lines. I would guess it runs across the broader NHL as well.

On that note, I’m throwing another one under my Wilson surefire picks:


“Just flat out they were better in every situation,” (blank) said. “We can come down off of our perch and everybody can look at each other and realize that we’ve still got some work to do.”

I doubt Todd would be using the phrase “come down off our perch”- looking forward to finding out later tonight.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 16, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Wilson

You were right….trust me on this one

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry guys....

That quote is actually Todd McLellan, speaking after the 6-0 loss to the Red Wings.

That’s the only one I’ll reveal for now – but boy oh boy is my “thesis” being confirmed.

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second that interest.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Mar 16, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thirded

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houston, we have a problem here
“Our team gave an unbelievable effort considering it was our third game in four nights,” Sharks coach Ron Wilson said. “We’re just focusing on winning our division and finishing ahead of any team in the East.”

Do a Google search with that quote….USA Today, March 20, 2008….

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying

It would seem that that’s a McLellan quote, since it mentions the East – but that’s all Wilson, and all “positivity.”

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, K....

I have a question. Were you asking us for the author of each quote? Or was one guy supposed to have said all of them. The “perch” quote is indeed Mclellan..but Wilson owns that first one

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Author of each quote

Wilson says some, McLellan the others.

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way

You point is well taken. I would have thought all the quotes were Wilson. Certainly, it seems, most of us think TM is much more positive in his statements about the team and their play. Plank’s post about certain words is right on.

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And BTW

I didn’t use Google until there seemed to be a question about who said what. I totally misunderstood (or didn’t pay close enough attention to the rules) and thought all the quotes were from one or the other.

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 17, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guesses

Didn’t use Google at all. I tried using the tone of the quotes, as well as some of the specific phrases (like “foot soldiers” is an obvious McLellan phrase). Situational quotes also helped – like talking about the free-flowing game. I could be completely wrong, though.

McLellan

“They compete for every inch, and I thought we competed for our ice,” Sharks coach (blank) said. “It was a bit of an emotional game near the end, but it wasn’t quite the kind of games we’ve been playing, a free-flowing one. It was a little uglier, a little more muck-and-grind along the boards, and I was happy with the way we competed in those areas.”

(on Joe Thornton) = “Joe played unbelievable,” (blank) said. “He was a force out there. He’s physical, making plays. He made a decision he’s going to shoot more, that he’s going to score and not just look to pass. That will open up some of his playmaking abilities, because now they have to worry about him shooting.”

(on Brian Boucher) = “I’m really, really happy for Boucher,” said Sharks coach (blank). Coming in behind (Evgeni Nabokov) you never know when you’re going to get your starts. Bouche stepped up and he was probably our best player tonight and you need that when you’re playing ugly so we’re real proud of him."

“I thought our big-minute players played pretty well,” Sharks coach (blank) said. “I was disappointed in our foot soldiers.”

“Deep down we can’t be very satisfied with our defensive effort,” San Jose coach (blank) said. “We weren’t very happy with the way we played, with the way we turned the puck over.”

“You shouldn’t play the way we did in a big game like this,” (blank) said. “We had an opportunity to put some distance between ourselves and (team), and we didn’t do it. … It’s inexplicable to me not to have the extra passion tonight.”

“We weren’t prepared to play at the level we needed to play at,” (blank) said. “We have to talk to the leadership, but they have to be prepared night in and night out to compete and if this happens in the playoffs you have no chance of winning so you better start learning some lessons quickly.”

“Way too many passengers. Still celebrating Christmas. Whatever,” (blank) said. “We weren’t prepared to play and to be quite honest with you, you could almost see it coming.”

Wilson

(on Brian Boucher) = “I’d bet you his heart rate never got over 80.”

(on Patrick Marleau) = “Our captain stepped up just like he has to do night in and night out,” coach (blank) said. “I was very happy to see him elevate his game in the third period.”

“You have to be mentally ready, and we seem to be content reading our press clippings and seeing whatever our predictions are for where we’re going to finish,” (blank) said. “One turnover, and we collapse for 10 minutes.”

“A couple bonehead plays and boom, boom, just like that, it goes from 1-0 for us to 2-1 for them and it took our energy away,” (blank) said. “They’re just silly elementary mistakes that maybe you make when you’re a little bit tired.”

 “We’ve proved to ourselves if we try to cheat or take shortcuts, it will not work out for us one bit,” (blank) said. “The puck was bouncing around a lot out there. It was more like a basketball than a puck. Skilled players want it smooth and fluid. We seemed to be knocking it down a lot. It was a difficult night that way.”

“I guess the race from now to the end of the year is important.”

by mymclife on Mar 16, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How you did

You were 6 for 8 with McLellan’s quotes, and 4 for 6 with Wilson. Overall, pretty good!

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Applesweetrose

oh and by the way, (In case anyone is interested) apple is on the last leg of her trip home and unless there is a horrible bus accident between Newark and Bethlehem i would assume she made it safely, heh.

holy crap anyone watching the Caps @ Atlanta game? 4-0 Atlanta?

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Mar 16, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just tuned in

madness!

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Mar 16, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude

That turn over by the Caps was brutally bad. 5-0 Thrashers

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by CTGray on Mar 16, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

What’d they put in the Caps’ water?

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 16, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well they had 50 shots,

so they had to of played somewhat good.

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Mar 16, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Atlanta

defense was like a sieve

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Kari Lehtonen

figures if he can shut down the Caps like that, then maybe he gets a sweet offer sheet and a ticket out of Atlanta come July.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Mar 16, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(on Joe Thornton) = "Joe played unbelievable," (blank) said. "He was a force out there. He’s physical, making plays. He made a decision he’s going to shoot more, that he’s going to score and not just look to pass. That will open up some of his playmaking abilities, because now they have to worry about him shooting."

I am pretty sure that was Ron Wilson… could have sworn i remember reading that last season.

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Mar 16, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I didn’t pay as close attention last season as I am this season, so a lot of the Wilson quotes are shots in the dark. I just guessed that it was McLellan because shooting and getting pucks to the net is one of the things that he preaches, but apparently I guess wrong lol.

by mymclife on Mar 16, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ANSWERS - section by section

Praising the Team After a Win = first Wilson, second McLellan

Praising the Individual = first 3 Wilson, last one McLellan

Criticizing the Team After a Loss = McLellan, Wilson, McLellan, Wilson

Criticizing the Team After a Win = both quotes by McLellan

Criticizing the Team for a Specific Reason = Wilson (surprise)

Humility = McLellan

Self-Assessment = both McLellan

Persevering = Wilson

Amusing = McLellan

DUH = McLellan

Frustration = both Wilson

Speaking of frustration…. any surprises in the bunch for you all? I was shocked, personally.

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The christmas one definitely surprised me. I googled it just to double-check you. Seriously? I didn’t think McLellan had that in him…

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Mar 16, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quote tally

10 by Wilson, 11 by McLellan…. lucky 21.

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good times.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 16, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post

great read during this most boring class i’m in. Buying a new laptop battery saves lives.

oh and "(on Brian Boucher) = "I’d bet you his heart rate never got over 80."
Drew just said something very similar. Or actually, now that i think about it, I think he was commenting on Todd’s heart rate?

Love all you people at Fear the Fin!

by OSF on Mar 16, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, thanks OSF!

Long time reader, first time poster? Welcome to Fear the Fin!

And you’re right about Drew – he said something like that about someone in the last week… sorry to be vague…

Fear The Fin = Anyone who doesn’t like fighting in the NHL can go watch poker on ESPN. [Jamie Baker]

by Mr. K. on Mar 16, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

old time blogger

I used to run www.obsessedsharksfan.com but after work and a needy gf caught up with me, I couldn’t keep up.
aww i just tried going to my old blog and get some funky error. that’s sad :(
so i guess this is new home for me! i’m looking forward to contributing with some fan posts after you guys get to know me a bit more. i’ll be around in the comments for now.

by OSF on Mar 17, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

You’ll find this place addictive. Productivity will go out the window. That’s ok. We understand.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Mar 17, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Productivity?>

What’s that?

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 17, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that thing we all tossed out the window when we joined FTF.

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by CTGray on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

That’s it….

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by Dave Valentine on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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