Looking Forward
And no, we're not talking about forwards specifically.
I've been saving this post until the deadline due to the nature of the day- picking up players who are under contract till after the 2009 playoffs potentially changes the whole look of the team going forward, and frankly I didn't want to toss anything out two days ago only to have it erased in one fell Doug Wilson swoop.
What we're looking at is the Sharks roster for next year, the salary cap implications, and what yesterday's small roster tweaks mean.
[Editor's Note]: Rosterbation is healthy in small quantities but may cause blindness if engaged in for prolonged periods of time.
Forwards Under Contract
| Skater | Cap Hit | Yrs. Left | Status |
| Joe Thornton | 7.20 | 2 | UFA |
| Patrick Marleau | 6.30 | 1 | UFA |
| Milan Michalek | 4.33 | 5 | UFA |
| Jonathan Cheechoo | 3.00 | 2 | UFA |
| Joe Pavelski | 1.637 | 1 | RFA |
| Devin Setoguchi | 1.247 | 1 | RFA |
| Jody Shelley | 0.725 | 1 | UFA |
| Total (7) | 24.439 | - | - |
Defensemen Under Contract
| Skater | Cap Hit | Yrs. Left | Status |
| Dan Boyle | 6.667 | 5 | UFA |
| Christian Ehrhoff | 3.10 | 2 | UFA |
| Brad Lukowich | 1.567 | 1 | UFA |
| Marc-Edouard Vlasic | 3.10 | 4 | UFA |
| Douglas Murray | 2.50 | 4 | UFA |
| Total (5) | 16.934 | - | - |
Goaltenders Under Contract
| Goaltender | Cap Hit | Yrs. Left | Status |
| Evgeni Nabokov | 5.375 | 1 | UFA |
| Total (1) | 5.375 | - | - |
All Players Under Contract
| Forwards | Defensemen | Goaltenders | TOTAL |
| 24.439 | 16.934 | 5.375 | 46.75 |
Whew. Got all that? Okay, now this is where it gets dicey. The salary cap currently sits at $56.7 M dollars, and it's unsure whether it will rise slightly, fall slightly, or stay the same due to the global economic meltdown. For the purpose of looking forward, we will assume that it stays the same next year. Keep in mind that the "next two seasons will be incredibly interesting as the CBA comes under true duress, as it's all but certain we'll now see the cap stagnate and likely fall in that time" [From The Rink].
So with all of these things in play, San Jose needs to do three things to work themselves into a feasible NHL roster- a) sign/promote 6-7 forwards b) sign/promote 2 defenseman and c) sign/promote one goaltender. If we're playing the safe side of things (assuming the Sharks only scratch one defensemen and one forward per game), that is 9 players to fit in with roughly 10 million dollars of cap space.
Take into account that this is on a purely "within the organization" standpoint, and does not deal with the broader period of NHL free agency (it's generally more expensive too).
A look at all the impending UFA's/RFA's shows that some fairly big decisions are going to need to be made in the offseason. I've taken the liberty of throwing out some rough estimates of players expected salaries, trying to stay on the lower end of things. For example, Mike Grier's contract will likely exceed his salary for this season in the open market- his PK contributions, leadership, and decent scoring ability (empty nets notwithstanding) could return around 2 million dollars from a team on the cusp looking to pony up that sort of dough (Columbus would be interested I'm sure)- for the sake of this though, we're just giving him this season's salary. A guy like Jeremy Roenick however, given his current role on the team, may take a slight pay cut.
Free Agent Forwards
| Skater | Status | Cur. Salary | Est. Salary |
| Mike Grier | UFA | 1.775 | 1.775 |
| Ryane Clowe | RFA | 1.60 | 3.25 |
| Jeremy Roenick | UFA | 1.10 | 0.80 |
| Marcel Goc | RFA | 0.775 | 1.00 |
| Torrey Mitchell | RFA | 0.715 | 0.715 |
| Tomas Plihal | RFA | 0.500 | 0.700 |
| Claude Lemieux | UFA | 0.500 | 0.500 |
| Travis Moen | UFA | .912 | .912 |
| TOTAL | - | 7.877 | 9.452 |
Clowe is really the one that worries me here- keeping him and remaining under the cap is going to be a tight squeeze with the current makeup of the team. It's not going to help that prospective GM's (Kevin Lowe I know you're out there) will be waiting in the wings to slap down an offer sheet.
I think it's safe to say Claude Lemieux's comeback will end, Marcel Goc will see a slight raise (probably a one-two year deal), Tomas Plihal will be signed due to his affordability and effective defensive play, and Torrey Mitchell will be inked to a one-two year deal worth the same as this year. It's almost a blessing in disguise that he's coming back so late in the season, in that the Sharks have been fine without him thus far and won't be on the hook for a raise.
The jury is still out on Moen, Grier, and Roenick returning- Moen is an unknown for obvious reasons, Grier's PK duties can be taken over by Marleau, Michalek, Plihal, Mitchell, and Pavelski. JR's future is still in doubt (although he has mentioned the Sharks are his last team and hinted at a possible return). We'll include him for now, for no other reason than he's a good looking dude and we would love to see him in teal again- injuries may end this dance prematurely however, much like your first time with a.....yeah, not re-using that joke again.
Worcester Sharks: Vesce, Kaspar, Cavanagh, and Armstrong need to be resigned. McGinn is under contract for roughly one million dollars over the next two years. In order to fill out the roster, one of these players is going to need to stick at next year's tryout.
For the sake of getting a number in with a player who could theoretically contribute, we'll go with McGinn at one million.
Players Signed: Clowe, Goc, Plihal, Mitchell, Roenick, McGinn.
Salary: 7.215 for the aforementioned players, team at 53.965; roughly 2.785 in room.
Free Agent Defensemen
| Skater | Status | Cur. Salary | Est. Salary |
| Rob Blake | UFA | 5.00 | 2.75 |
| Alexei Semenov | UFA | 0.650 | 0.70 |
| Kent Huskins | UFA | 0.625 | 0.625 |
| TOTAL | - | 6.275 | 4.075 |
It's all but a guarantee that Rob Blake takes a pay cut next season if he decides not to retire- there's no way he commands the exorbitant amount of 5 million dollars that he's currently raking in. Although he tends to take some bad penalties (to be honest Boyle has been in the same boat lately), I would love him at this estimated price. The experience and grit he brings to the table would be worth every penny in my book, and without his shot from the point the power play takes a dive in productivity.
Semenov has exceeded all expectations this season and could probably be had for cheap. His size is a good addition to the blueline, and as long as he continues to improve in executing breakout passes and not punching pucks into the net he's going to be alright.
Huskins is obviously an unknown.
Worcester Sharks: Derek Joslin has played well up for the big club during his respective stints. He reminds me of Luko in that mistakes are at a minimum and defensive responsibility is the main focus. Under contract for next season at a cheap price (.517), but it's safe to say he could use more development.
Players Signed: Blake, Semenov.
Salary: 3.45 for the aforementioned players, team at 57.415; roughly -0.715 in room. All defensemen signed.
Free Agent Goaltenders
| Goaltender | Status | Cur. Salary | Est. Salary |
| Brian Boucher | UFA | 0.650 | 1.00 |
| TOTAL | - | .650 | 1.00 |
Brian Boucher is a tough player to read due to his sparse starts on a team with one of the best GA's in the league. With goaltending at a premium however, his allegiance to Doug Wilson will be tested as well as the market price for his above average numbers. Jury's still out on this one folks, but we're going to assume he is signed for 1.00. It's about as low as it can go before sounding utterly ridiculous.
Worcester Sharks: Thomas Greiss has put up uninspired numbers this season with the Worcester Sharks (3.09 GAA with a .892 SV%), and coupled with his stint last season on the big club, it looks like he needs more time in development.
Players Signed: Boucher.
Salary: 1.00 for the aforementioned player, team at 58.415; roughly -1.715 in room. All goaltenders signed.
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With all those factors in play, the Sharks will be carrying an NHL team with 13 forwards, seven defensemen, and two goaltenders. The estimates peg them over the cap at -1.715 M, which could go either way depending on how things shake out. Regardless of whether the estimates are on or off, here or there, it's going to be a tight fit. If there's a consensus in the comments that the numbers are off for a specific player, and a more acceptable number is reached, things will be changed here accordingly. No sense in rosterbating if everyone can't have fun.
This season is probably the siren song for a few notable players, and their names have been chronicled extensively both in the posts, comments, and radio. Looking at both the defense and forwards signed going forward, it stands to reason that Cheechoo will be gone at draft day and Ehrhoff might be on the move as well.
The only problem I have with moving Ehrhoff is his upside. The constant lapses in judgement in the defensive zone and attempts to stickhandle through the nuetral zone get tiresome, but there was a stretch during the middle of this season where he was brilliant. The upcoming playoffs will likely determine his future with the team, and I'm hoping he proves to all of us that he can be consistent from big game to big game (which applies to the whole team, but I digress). If he turns it on I would be content with letting Blake walk- both to save salary space, and for the future of the organization.
Before I wrap this up, also note (and this is a huge one)- Patrick Marleau, Devin Setoguchi, Joe Pavelski, and Evgeni Nabokov will all be free agents after next season. The decisions Doug Wilson makes in this offseason will have long lasting affects going forward. Every single one of them has proved that a pay raise is absolutely necessary, although Patty's commitment to the franchise should be acknowledged. Regardless, it's a lot of money that will be thrown around.
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Going forward things look tough eh. But at the same time, those words are so, well, irrelevant no? This is the year. Doug Wilson could have made a move to clear some cap space and add a depth UFA yesterday, but didn't. He probably will receive less in return for any moves he makes at draft day than he would have at the deadline- but he didn't pull the trigger. Jonathan Cheechoo hasn't been anything to write home about all year, but is contributing on the third line in a checking role and could get hot down the stretch if him and Moen click. Goc, Grier, Roenick, and Mitchell are four players who could come in at the end of the season and inject some life into the team. Wilson gave up prospects to add two guys who have won a Stanley Cup.
Looking at the salary cap implications above, it seems like the Sharks best year to win the Cup is now. We have young guys outplaying their contracts, and veteran players who have been there before.
Cup rings in the locker room last year? Zero. Cup rings now? Six. It may seem minute, but for a team that has been perceived to crumble when adversity strikes, it will be a big factor. Can it win a series alone? Of course not. But if we're headed to game six on the road down 3-2 in the series, it will be a presence the Sharks have never had before.
Go Sharks.
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A lot of work put in to that Plank. Good job.
I don’t have any problems with the salaries as you have estimated.
My personal thoughts are that JR and Blake would probably take a cut to stay with the team if we made it to the dance, but went home alone. Just for one more chance.
If we make it there, AND take the prom queen home, I see both retiring.
We rosterbated about Bouch a few weeks ago. Since then I did some studying on his career numbers. Now, the following is just my personal opinion, tainted ever so slightly with wishful thinking. My bromance with Bouch is near legendary (the jury is still out who loves him most, you or me) but a realistic look at his numbers say that perhaps he’s better suited in the backup role. One could hope that deep inside he realizes that and is content to stay put and play on a Cup contending team for decent money.
I don’t see any problem losing Goc and Ehrhoff (Ehrhoff’s streaks not withstanding).
Of course, if we were to win the cup, most existing RFA values get a huge boost. But that also means if someone has a monster postseason their trade value goes up also. (Cheech) It seems to me that a whole lot hinges on the teams performance April thru June.
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Of course, if we were to win the cup, most existing RFA values get a huge boost. But that also means if someone has a monster postseason their trade value goes up also. (Cheech) It seems to me that a whole lot hinges on the teams performance April thru June.
Exactly, and I tried to stay on the lower end of things. Just perusing it again this morning, I could theoretically see everyone getting a few extra hundred thousand dollars if we go on a Cup run. The only thing that could possibly help the situation is the market being wary and not offering the exorbitant deals we’ve seen in the past. I think it’s the last time we see a guy like Brian Campbell rake in eight years at 7.1 per.
As for Footbouche, I think the avatar speaks for itself in terms of the bromance ;) I took a look at his career numbers after reading your comment, and tend to agree with you (in terms of him taking less money to play for a contender, being content with a backup role etc). Only thing that worries me is his age- he’s at the point in his career when this could be his last chance to cash in, and I just don’t see us being able to afford offering him anything over 1.5.
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This was fantastic. Absolute genius work. Very impressed.
I’d agree that Cheechoo is gone, for sure. Ehrhoff is probably gone too. (I like the potential, but god, he’s looked really bad lately. The problem that you didn’t point out was that Ehrhoff is having an extreme problem putting the puck on net. If he’s going to be shooting the puck, he’s gotta hit the net. I can’t even count how many power play opportunities or scoring chances were ended with an errant shot by the Iceman) With them leaving, that’s more than 6 MM that we can use to resign players like Marleau, Pavs, Seto, Clowe, and Nabby. The most we can hope for is that Cheechoo has a fantastic playoffs, driving up his trade value in the process. Goc probably stays; his current level of play doesn’t really merit a huge raise.
If we win the cup this year, I won’t be as worried about the salary cap issues. After all, this team was built with the sole purpose of winning. I’d be willing to let a few players go and rely on pure experience to get back. If we don’t, we’ll have to build another contender next year.
Oh yeah, don’t forget about Couture. He’s having a great year in juniors, and he almost made the team this year. If JR goes, we might have some Couture in our future.
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The most we can hope for is that Cheechoo has a fantastic playoffs, driving up his trade value in the process. Goc probably stays; his current level of play doesn’t really merit a huge raise.
Goc at 1.0 is completely manageable, and well worth it in my opinion for what he brings to the table. And I agree with Cheech- without a strong postseason we’re probably not getting all that much for him, and even if he has a killer postseason I think we need to trade him just based off his regression since the lockout. He doesn’t fit with the system, has trouble skating effectively, and the 3 million saved would go a long way towards deepening the roster. My bet is we flip him for draft picks and prospects, taking on no immediate salary in the process.
So, what’s the new screen name going to be ;)
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Juicy Couture. Look out!
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by Matthew_Taylor on Mar 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
An old problem
The problem that you didn’t point out was that Ehrhoff is having an extreme problem putting the puck on net. If he’s going to be shooting the puck, he’s gotta hit the net.
Of course, we all remember that was his problem in past years. Earlier this season, when he was doing so much better, I remember Randy and Drew talking about how he had worked to tame his shot and get it on net better. Looks like he’s forgotten all that.
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Wow,
I think I learned more about the cap and how the team fits into it in the last 5 minutes than I knew in my entire life before that. As a fan, I only ever want to think about the actual play side of things, but once you realize that all the numbers can decide how the game is actually played and how your team will play it, it’s sobering to see how much of a team’s success sits on the shoulders of the GM. I’m glad we have such a stud.
Good Work...
Considering the rarity of true offensive defenseman, I can see Murray being shipped out instead of Ehrhoff, but I would think Ehrhoff’s numbers would bring back far more in return, so who knows.
Unfortunately, I sincerely doubt Boucher will be back next year, and I don’t blame him. He has done the job and been a true professional about it. I can see him heading to Ottawa or Washington to challenge for a starting job, and he’s earned the opportunity. I can also see someone tendering Goc a decent offer due to his faceoff #‘s and perceived defensive skills, so he may be on the way out. I don’t know if Blake will take that much of a paycut, either. I was thinking something like $3.0-$3.5mil. I hope you guys are right, we need a bridge to Petrecki.
And Ill say it first… with Couture coming up, the Sharks are going to have a very interesting decision to make with Joe Pavelski next year. He is the ideal #2 C on a championship team, but the Sharks have an upgraded version coming up right behind him.
in the end, you have to trust some of the kids, cause they come cheap. A few from McGinn, Couture, Petrecki, Joslin, Greiss, etc. are going to have to step up and take minutes for the Sharks to remain dominant.
Believe me, I’m the biggest Couture fan in the world. However, even though I think he’ll ultimately be better than Pavelski, you have to make room for both of them.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Considering the rarity of true offensive defenseman, I can see Murray being shipped out instead of Ehrhoff, but I would think Ehrhoff’s numbers would bring back far more in return, so who knows.
Yeah, I considered that as well. In my opinion Murray’s defensive skills and physicality are something that bring a lot to the table- looking at guys who are signed going into next season, he’s really the only one who brings a mean streak with him onto the ice. To quote the canned Penguins coach Michel Therrien, “Our D would be too soff.” Like you mentioned, Ehrhoff would bring a lot more in return.
And Ill say it first… with Couture coming up, the Sharks are going to have a very interesting decision to make with Joe Pavelski next year. He is the ideal #2 C on a championship team, but the Sharks have an upgraded version coming up right behind him.
An interesting decision yes, and I’m sort of like Sleek at BOC in terms of prospects (know the names, read the rankings, but don’t really know anything about them other than what I’ve read in snippets). I guess this is a question more than anything- could he shift to wing, and is he NHL ready next season? Looking at Matt Carle in particular, I kind of felt like the Sharks rushed him into playing a role he wasn’t ready for, and I would hate to do that with Couture. Also keep in mind the longer we develop him and keep him off the roster, the less we’re going to have to shell out in the near future (Bobby Ryan of Anaheim as an example).
All that being said, I don’t know too much about Couture so those two examples could be ill-advised.
I agree with TCY when he says we need to keep Joe Pavs- I have a feeling that guy is going to be one of the leaders of our team going forward, and wearing the A or C before he hits 30. He’s won at every level of hockey he’s played at- in my opinion, he’s a cornerstone of the franchise.
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Love Pavs
I wish we could keep them all, but in 2011, some people are going to have to go, and not just Cheechoo and a defenseman (assuming Cheechoo even gets moved). Lets take this out 2 years with less rosy predictions for salary:
Clowe, I have to believe, will get resigned, and will get Michalek money. The Sharks were not generous when he was injured, making him prove his worth. Now, he has proven he is probably the 3rd most valuable forward on the team. He will get something like 4 years/$15 million, even in this economy. If that’s true, you have 6 players (Marleau, Thornton, Boyle, Michalek, Clowe, Vlasic) making an estimated $31mil on their own in 2011. Nabokov is a must, he wont get a paycut, that is at least another $5 mil. That $36mil on 7 players. Devin Setoguchi will get a new contract, too. I’m thinking at least what Cheechoo has right now (4yr/$13mil). Thats about $39 mil on 8 players. What if Pavs gets a 3yr/$10mil offer sheet as an RFA next summer? And the cap is $50 million (an optimistic estimate for that year)? Are the Sharks willing to keep Pavs and basically fit 6 forwards and 4 Dmen for $8 million? This is the whole purpose of the cap, to force the teams to make tough choices to allow talented, desireable players trickle down to other teams.
Oh, and that is assuming BOTH Ehrhoff and Murray are gone, Cheechoo is traded, and no free agents are signed. Keep one of those Dmen, and the available pot shrinks further. Sacrifices must be made, and I hate to say it, but Pavs might be one of them. Think the Sabres ever wanted to lose Drury? The Oilers lose Smyth?
But… a Sharks squad with productive Marleau, Thornton, and Boyle is a competitive squad…
Great Points
And honestly it might come down to making a decision between Pavs and Gooch. Definitely sucks.
I agree with Clowe- he might be a power play specialist, but he has cemented himself as a player who needs to stay in San Jose (although an offer sheet this offseason would return some great draft picks, just sayin’.) If you’re DW do you roll the dice, match an offer that’s around 3 mil, but let him go and take the picks if it’s over that? Just spitballin’ here, and my mind isn’t made up yet. I’m sure I’ll get a better grip on it once the season ends, but for now I say we hold onto him up until 3.5.
I see a problem in re-upping Nabokov automatically however. Hockey Futures has the Sharks pegged as one of the best organizations in terms of depth at goal, and although I’m a firm believer in building from the net out, 5 million is a little too steep for my liking (considering his age as well).
It really comes down to the draft and having young players make an impact on the bottom two pairings. Joslin could slide into Luko’s spot for cheap, as I imagine he wouldn’t re-up for all too much. Whether Petrecki is ready for the NHL at that time remains to be seen, but he could also play sheltered minutes on some bottom pairings. Semenov is the ace in the hole defensively for me- if he improves like he has this season, I feel like we can nab him for three years at a cheap price and get some good returns. He has all the physical skills, and frankly has impressed me this season. Management has also been impressed with his work ethic as well, but now I’m sort of going off on a tangent.
Boyle’s contract really is killing us going forward, but you’re right- gotta pay to get the premium.
Touching upon the beginning, it really might come down to Pavelski or Gooch, and that’s shitty on so many different levels. I’d like to think that anybody could slide onto a line with Joe T/Patty and produce decent numbers, but Gooch is unique in that San Jose doesn’t have too many high profile speedy wingers other than Michalek.
Shit though, I really don’t want to see Pavs go.
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Clowe
Despite the economy, I bet he gets an offer sheet for AT LEAST $4 million per season on a long-term deal. There aren’t many players that consistently do what he does every game.
Excellent work Mr.Plank
For me, the part that jumped out was the assumption Blake would consider a pay cut (nearly half). From what I’ve learned about the man (and his agent), that seems highly unlikely. Maybe a few lurking Kings fans would be willing to provide more insight…
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by SwisherThresher on Mar 5, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions
And in preparation for the game thread
Just a quick FYI from Mr. Pollack at Working the Corners
He reports Nabby has apparently ‘tweaked something’ so once again we’ll be seeing The Waterboy in the teal paint.
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by SwisherThresher on Mar 5, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Nabby!!!!! No es bueno....
Oh, and he mentions that neither Huskins (foot) nor Moen (baby!) are going to be in tonight… which is lame for me, since I went out of my way to get a Craigslist ticket just to see what I thought would be their first game in teal. Fortunately, I still have tickets to the next home game (March 14), so I’ll see them then – barring something catastrophic on the road trip.
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Well that's interesting.
I know from years of sports you can tweak something and still be ok to play, but for Nabby, his job is to be the work horse down the stretch and if he’s slightly off, that’s not good. Better to let him rest and full recover.
I think we’re stopping by to say hi to Lurker tonight, Mr.K. You should join us.
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I’ll try – I don’t have my ticket yet (picking it up at 4pm), so I don’t know where I’m sitting (the 200s, but beyond that not sure). If you want my phone number, just look in the Montreal game thread ;-)
Lurker is in 210 – I spy him out from my usual digs in 205.
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For me, the part that jumped out was the assumption Blake would consider a pay cut (nearly half). From what I’ve learned about the man (and his agent), that seems highly unlikely. Maybe a few lurking Kings fans would be willing to provide more insight…
Yeah, maybe Rudy could take time off from hitting the bottle and help us out here. I tried to keep things on the lower end of the spectrum just to show how many tough decisions Wilson faces going forward.
I hope you’re wrong, but judging by your experience with the matter, it seems like you’re right. Having Blake walk would be okay by me however- a hired gun role is probably the only thing I really expected from him anyways.
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I tried to reply 5x already in great detail, but my connection keeps breaking
So I’ll keep it simple. It appears quite a few Kings fans are still sour over the nature of past negotiations. From what I understand…
Blake was due to become a UFA after 10 years donning the crown and a ‘98 Nonis. He wanted more than Pronger, the Kings offer was less, Blake removed the ’C’ from his sweater and said he would test free agency. The Kings answered with an offer that matched his original request, but he declined and demanded a trade (continuing to express his desire to enter the FA market at season’s end)
He was traded to Colorado and went on to win the Cup. He then opted to re-up with the Avalanche, turning down a better offer from the Kings and a chance to get one real good kick at the can (as Joe Thornton put it regarding his BFF ‘Soupy the evil Ginger’).
He eventually returned to LA, securing a 6mil NTC contract from AEG. After hip surgery and a couple sub par seasons, the LA brass twice tried to negotiate a trade to no avail. After having refused to waive his NTC, Kings fans believed Blake was committed to staying in LA,and would eventually retiring there. BUT, a 5mil offer from DW and another chance at the Cup was too good a deal to pass up – and off he went, to suit up for their Nor-Cal rival.
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This is all based on the words of Kings fans, more or less. Again, if there are a few lurking about, please feel free to elaborate and/or correct me if I’m wrong. All things considered, he may take a slight pay cut to remain in teal – but, a better offer by another Cup contender may see him switching sweaters once again (if he doesn’t retire)
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