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Greatest Sharks: Mind Yo' Netminders

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When it's down to the wire, even Sharkie logs on to vote!

Well, FTF'ers, it's been a journey. A long, not too difficult, not too meaningful journey. But hey, we're almost done... so cut us some slack. After rounds upon rounds of voting in a process that carried us through the regular season, we're finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. The forwards have been selected, and so have the defensemen. The final vote (of the regular season, the Coaches vote will be held after the season) is upon us. It's again time for you to choose. Are you a lover of Latvia, or kuh-razy for Kazakhstan?  Are you a fan of Finland, or coo-coo for Canada? Your vote holds the answer.

Well, not really. What the vote will tell us, however, is who you believe is the greatest goaltender in the history of the San Jose Sharks. We, your humble authors, submit five goalies for your consideration: Arturs Irbe, Evgeni Nabokov, Steve Shields, Vesa Toskala, and Mike Vernon.

We're thinking this vote will be pretty tight. And unlike in rounds past, there will only be one go round of voting. Whoever takes first will be the starting netminder for your "Greatest Sharks" team. The player who takes second will be named the backup.

So, with that, vote. VOTE LIKE THE WIND!

As always, make the jump for some FTF player analysis.

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Note: To be considered a member of the "Greatest Sharks", you must have played parts of a minimum of three seasons with the team. A player must receive at least ten votes or 25% of the overall vote to be included on the "Greatest Sharks" team.

Artus Irbe: Although drafted 196th overall by the Minnesota North Stars in 1989, the Latvian Irbe played his first NHL game as a member of the San Jose Sharks in 1991. With the addition of Irbe, the Sharks were blessed with a reliable goaltender for the first time in their short history. Nicknamed "The Wall", Irbe led the Sharks to their first Stanley Cup Playoff appearance in 1993-1994. During the season, Irbe played a then NHL record 4412 minutes for the Sharks, going 30-28-16 while posting a 2.84 GAA and a .899 save percentage. Although he ended his San Jose career on a sour note (he had a disastrous final season with San Jose after he was mauled in the off-season by his pet dog) Irbe would win 57 games while in teal, including the first shutout in Sharks history. He remains one of the most loved players to ever skate for the Sharks.

Evgeni Nabokov: Ironically making his debut on January 1st, 2000, Nabokov grabbed hold of the starting goaltender spot and has remained a top goaltender for almost a decade. Although other players in the pipeline (Kiprusoff) were more highly touted than Nabokov, the Kazak netminder silenced critics when he stepped in for the injured Steve Shields during the 2000-2001 season. Not only did Nabokov make the 2001 NHL All-Star team, but he won the Calder Trophy (awarded to the NHL's top rookie) while leading the Sharks to the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Although briefly passed by Toskala for number 1 slot in the mid-decade, Nabokov has always had the skill to carry his team. "Nabby's" stellar career has seen many thrilling moments, but three things stand out above the rest: He's the first goalie to ever score a power play goal, he stopped all eight shots faced in his second All Star appearance, and he played the game of his life against the Dallas Stars in the 2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs. The game, which went into four overtime periods, was ultimately lost but will be remembered somewhat fondly for Nabokov's amazing glove save on Brad Richards.

Steve Shields: Playing between the pipes for the San Jose Sharks for parts of three seasons, Shields would lead the Sharks to the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs in 2000. Although Shields would put up very respectable numbers for the Sharks (a 2.44 GAA in his three seasons with the team), he would ultimately be replaced by then rookie Evgeni Nabokov after suffering an injury in the second game of the 2000-2001 NHL season. After the emergence of Nabokov as a Calder trophy winning elite netminder, and with then top prospect Miikka Kiprusoff waiting in the wings, Shields was traded to the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim in a package that brought Teemu Selanne to San Jose.

Vesa Toskala: With the Sharks and Nabokov's inability to agree on contract terms to start the 2002-2003 season, Toskala was thrown into the fire. Serving as a backup to Kiprusoff, Toskala played well, going 4-3-1 while posting a 2.35 GAA and a .927 save percentage. Once Nabokov returned, Toskala was sent back to the minors while Kiprusoff remained the backup. However, it was Toskala who ultimately won the job of backup goaltender, impressing the Sharks' coaches and front office enough to force a trade of Kiprusoff. Although Toskala competed with Nabokov for most of his time with the Sharks, he still was able to put up admirable numbers without continuity of play and rampant trade speculation. After splitting starting duties with Nabokov for most of the 2006-2007 season, Nabokov was given the nod for the remainder of the season and the playoffs. As expected, Toskala was traded in the 2007 off-season, and is now the starting goaltender for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Mike Vernon: After already establishing himself as an elite NHL netminder with the Calgary Flames and Detroit Red Wings, Vernon joined the Sharks in 1997. With 14 NHL seasons, two Stanley Cup Championships, five NHL All Star appearances, and Conn Smyth and William M. Jennings trophies under his belt, Vernon was the most decorated goalie to ever wear teal. Although he played well while in San Jose (putting up a regular season GAA of 2.39), Vernon was never able to help the Sharks past the first round of the playoffs. In the 1999-2000 NHL season, Vernon was traded to the Florida Panthers. Vernon would finish his career in Calgary, where his number (30) hangs from the rafters.

Poll
Who is the greatest goaltender in the history of the San Jose Sharks?
Arturs Irbe
43 votes
Evgeni Nabokov
360 votes
Steve Shields
1 votes
Vesa Toskala
6 votes
Mike Vernon
4 votes

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Archie!

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like Wall!

Fun Irbe story…. I was at Logitech, and the Sharks were skating. I waited until they were done, but the ice manager wouldn’t give me any pucks to get signed. I was begging Irbe to sign something, anything, so he skated back to the bench, ripped out a piece of notebook paper, and signed it. I still have it framed. Love that guy.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st Shutout in Sharks' History

Who could forget that? :P Even in their historically worst season ever, Irbe was definitely a diamond in the rough

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote Nabby, no matter what, but…

Don’t forget Miika Kiprusoff, even if he is a Flame now. He was originally a shark!

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Understandable

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a way off side note:

Ron Wilson is to be named coach of Team USA for the 2010 Winter Olympics…
I have no idea what to think now, which Wilson will show up. The successful Sharks’ Ron Wilson or the failure of a Maple Leaf coach who barely ever believed in his team?

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he does better at international level

see 1996 WCOH

I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!

by Diamondback15 on Apr 3, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

I’m pretty sure Kipper was traded during the 03-04 season, not the 03 offseason. He played at least one game for the Sharks before being traded to Calgary.

As for my vote, I voted Nabby. As an old-school fan I’ve got a soft spot for Irbe, but Evgeni’s been the most decorated goalie in team history, no contest.

Bay Area born and bred.

by Nael M. on Apr 3, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Nael. I’ll check into it, and adjust if necessary.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right. He didn’t start, but played in one game. Traded on Nov. 16th.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nabby, and it's not close

I expected a couple of retro “like Wall” votes for Irbe, but 20%?? Nabby is a Calder winner, Vezina finalist, and has 4x as many wins as Irbe. Wake up, people.

by mepex on Apr 3, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I went retro...

And I voted for Irbe. There were a few reasons why.

Irbe was the first great goalie the Sharks ever had. He’s not near as good as Nabby (not even close), but I think he meant more to the team, the francise, and to me as a fan in the dog days of the franchise. Just my opinion.

Nabby is far and away the winner right now, no question. I knew he was going to be number 1 in this vote. I, however, wanted to give my vote of appreciation to Archie.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and although it’s 20%, it’s really only eight votes or so. If Vernon and Shields and Tosk were getting a lot of votes then it might be different, but essentially it’s just a run off between Irbe and Nabokov.

Nabby is far and away the winner right now, no question. I knew he was going to be number 1 in this vote. I, however, wanted to give my vote of appreciation to Archie.

As did I.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Nabby, but to be fair, he’s had MUCH better teams in front of him.

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by marcello on Apr 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No question it's Nabby,

But I’m a little surprised Tosk has gotten no love… I mean Boosh is great but who would you rather have as a backup?

Yes, I'm from the tropics. Yes, I love hockey. What's not to get?

by workthecycle on Apr 3, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I nearly voted for Toskala just for that reason. I ended up going with Nabby though. Sorry, Vesa.

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by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved Vesa...

His laxidasical warmup style always made me chuckle.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I had a lotta love for Tosk and hate to see him going through his woes with the Leafs. He’s a much better goalie than that. As far as Bouch or Tosk in the backup role. Hmmm. That’s tough.

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll always have a soft spot for Toskala, but that isn’t what the vote asked for. :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?

by ang6666 on Apr 3, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Boosh

I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!

by Diamondback15 on Apr 3, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nabby = Future Retired Jersey?

Would be cool. Him, Marleau, and maybe Thornton so far

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by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheech?

He’s third on the all-time points list for sharks, isn’t he?

Yes, I'm from the tropics. Yes, I love hockey. What's not to get?

by workthecycle on Apr 3, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's traded... no.

If he stays with the team, maybe. He’s on such a steep decline though, so who knows.

I’d say Marleau’s definitely will if he finishes his career with the team. Thornton’s will as well if he does the same. Maybe Nabokov as well, but who knows.

I think it’s all contingent on winning a cup. If they do, I think these players deserve it.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheech yes … traded or not … he’ll always be a fan fave and I think the Sharks organization has to realize that

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?

by ang6666 on Apr 3, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you retire cheech

i think that just opens things up way to much

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion, I don’t think we retire anyone’s jersey until they win a Cup with the team. The only exception to this might be Marleau, with Nabokov second (but much farther away from that honor).

If Patty wins the Cup, he’s a dead set lock in my book. I don’t think Thornton has been with the team long enough to deserve it at this point.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you reading my mind, sir??

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s highly possible- unless you’re reading mine?

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to use the time stamp method… but alas. We’re too in sync.

I’m probably reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mind while your reading my mind while I’m reading your mine… WORLD EZPLODEZ DUE TOO IMPOSSIBLE INFINITE LOOP OF TIME

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AIEEEEE!!!!!

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think we could have painted our Dolorean. A silver fireball would have looked much cooler.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Irbe

I happen to think the talent level is VERY close between Irbe and Nabokov. The numbers don’t show it, but Irbe was an incredible goalie considering the teams he played in front of (call it the Broduer/Roy effect). Interestingly, I think this debate mirrors the debate for who has been the best goaltender the past few years. Nearly everyone would say Brodeur. I would take Luongo in his Panther days any day of the week. In fact, I would take Luongo in his Panther days over Broduer in his prime. This is not to say Brodeur is not an amazing goalie, but I think Luongo right now is hands down the best in the NHL and has been for awhile.

But back to Irbe/Nabokov. Nabby has been great, and is admittedly very decorated. But Irbe basically put that Sharks team on his back, and when he finally got put around just a little talent, he took the Hurricanes to the finals. If we are rewarding longetvity in a Sharks uni, Nabby would take it. But if I was playing a field (pond?) of dreams-like game against, say, the best the Ducks of all time, I would want Irbe between the pipes.

And Vesa gets no love from me for that Edmonton series. Okay, maybe a little love, but he broke my heart. Time doesn’t heal all wounds :-)

by ruben398 on Apr 3, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nabby

that was easy. this is only my 4th year of being a sharks fan, so the only 2 starting goaltenders that i’ve seen are toskala and nabby.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Apr 3, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i voted toskala

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nabby, no contest.

Irbe: Like Wall was one of my earliest sharks fan memories (dude, I was, what, 8 at the time…its one of my earliest memories, period. Of course, I have trouble remembering last week, but thats another story…). I mean, Irbe was a beast, he helped put the Sharks on the map. But Nabby has been phenomenal. He’s helped bring the Sharks from fringe playoff contender to perennial playoff participants and division contenders. And, yeah, he has the numbers to back it up.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 3, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your signature

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?

by ang6666 on Apr 3, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed haha

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 3, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! I thought it was amusing.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 3, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pick Evgeni Nabokov.

He is the highest scoring goaltender in Sharks history! He has 9 points, including a goal too!

by idunno723 on Apr 3, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's the idiot that voted for Vernon?

Oh wait, that was me. Mostly on the basis of his entire career, particularly his time with the Wings, during my formative years as a hockey fan. So yeah, in case anyone was wondering.

by IAmJoe on Apr 3, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No qualms with that...

This vote is all about individual interpretation.

However, like other players we’ve discussed, Vernon doesn’t really belong on this team. Not because he isn’t worthy, but I’d think he’d be on Calgary’s, for sure.

Although he might have to serve as Trevor Kidd’s backup. JK. Actually, who would be their Goalie… Vernon or Kipper? I’ll have to email Matchsticks and Gasoline, ask them out of curiosity.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

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by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec city rock n’ roller, good stuff. Hopefully it’s not a sign of things to come in two weeks!

/obligatory Chicken Little Syndrome with the playoffs approaching.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Sharks...

shit or get off the pot.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I'm sorry

I didn’t realize you were busy flushing crappy teams out of the playoff race!

Yes, I'm from the tropics. Yes, I love hockey. What's not to get?

by workthecycle on Apr 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woooooooo

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the way laptops heat up these days, hope Sharkie’s got protection for both his little Sharkies there.

Bay Area born and bred.

by Nael M. on Apr 3, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, otherwise they might not be “swimming” all that well.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nabby

To put it simply, Nabokov is the goalie who I can picture getting his number retired/honored/whatever the Sharks decide to do. I mean, when Nabokov is off his game, he does give up a few softies. But when he’s on, the guy is super-human. I would not hesitate to say that he is better than every other goaltender in the league when he’s on. I wouldn’t even hesitate to say that his “on” is better than every other goalie’s “on” in the league.

Both Toskala and Irbe tempted me, but Toskala never really stood out to me as the best Sharks goalie, and I was too too young to fully appreciate Irbe when he played for the Sharks.

by mymclife on Apr 3, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

141 votes...

in five hours?! Geeze…

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s all those damn Yahooligans I tell ya, Yahooligans!

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nabby it is for me

I have the fondest memories of Irbe, but Nabby is the ultimate Sharks goalie for me.

by freesia39 on Apr 3, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Will we get to vote again for the back up…or does the second place vote getter win that job?

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NEVER mind...

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh
The player who takes second will be named the backup.

You and I Dave, cut from the same cloth. We don’t read good.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't want to draw this out too long...

And I knew it was going to be a two horse race. Irbe needs only 10 votes or 25% to qualify based on the rules… he’s there already.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hrmph...

I don’t know. Irbe is clear and away the second favorite around here. We’ll take a look tomorrow. As of now, Toskala only has 3 votes.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally

would have voted for Tosk, had I read the rules first, just to give him that 2nd place spot

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, no, no

you can’t say that, who knows who all these people who voted think about irbe, they voted for who would be one not who would be two, no offense but the system is flawed

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't no no no me

I understand what your saying, but listen to what I’m saying. If the vote is greatest goalie, the guy in first should be first and the guy in second should be second.

I know not everyone is going to say that Irbe is better than Toskala, and many who voted Nabby one would vote Toskala two. But you’re assuming that even though Irbe is beating Toskala 19 votes to 3 right now, Toskala would win in a vote between the two. Granted, that’s possible. But right now I’d say it’s highly unlikely.

People are voting for the one, yes. I voted for Irbe under the impression that he could be one. I don’t think many people think that about Toskala. People love him, and can make a strong case for his inclusion…. but I don’t think it’s close. If the next vote was held, I think that Irbe would be the runaway winner. If enough disagree, let me know.

As of right now though, only you, Dave, and Gray (kind of) has voiced a concern. If it’s you three, it’s almost statistically impossible that Toskala would win. Just saying.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not saying irbe or toskala is going to win,

just that your way of determining it is not right

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re kind of limited by the capabilities of SB Nation… and it worked fine in every other vote we did.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did...

When it was apparently necessary. Those votes all had more than 4 selections. This one has two. First place, second place. Easy peezy.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 4, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 selections… not more than 4.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 4, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

by the time i saw the poll it was something like 50, 0, 0 1, 5

it was nabby or nothing,

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all concerned about the voting process

I just like Toskala and felt bad he wasn’t getting much love. Nabby was clearly the number one for me, which is why I picked him. I’m fine with however this goes down.

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by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I didn’t mean to make it sound like I am concerned. Not at all. It we actually could have this team on the ice, I’d be just as happy with Arturs as Tosk. I would vote for Tosk as the back up if I had that choice. That’s all

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally understood. Totally.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/me gives TCY a cookie

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by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if we did

the results would be different

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UGH… I’ll think about it and discuss with Plank.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read fine

I just don’t read ALL of the assignment

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see our hard work is appreciated. LOL.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the brainchild of TCY so you’d have to ask him, but I’m pretty sure a goalie has to get 15% of the vote to be included. Could be wrong though.

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 3, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's okay

I’d much rather have Tosk as the back up, but Arters will do

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really? Thats interesting. Tosk was good here, but Irbe was solid… “like wall”.

;)

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

that Irbe was “like wall” (my son painted his mask with a brick wall in honor of Irbe), but I just like Tosk alot. I think he’s cut from the Nabby mold (and shaped by Warren Strelow, no less) and I’d like to have him back in teal. So shoot me.

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by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toskala was great, no doubt. But Irbe is one of my first Sharks memories and he was so nice to me when I met him. I’m sentimental.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to have him back in teal

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I was sad to see him go, though I realized we couldn’t indefinitely have two number one guys AND Nabby won the job(back). What worries me more is life after Nabokov. I don’t (currently) trust Greiss any further than I can throw him and I doubt that’s very far at all

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by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd worry...

But not too much. The Sharks have some of the best goalie prospects in the league right now. And, if our previous scouting record is any indication (Kipper, Nabby, Tosk), at least one of them should be good. If it’s not Griess, it could be one of Sexsmith, Dakers, Stalock, Sateri, etc.

Oh, and Sexsmith has the best name ever. And he’s apparently tearing it up. I’m just hoping he wins the job eventually so I can get a jersey.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you and half of San Jose…

I trust our record with goalies and prospects, I just expect a bit of a dip when Nabby eventually retires and a new guy moves in. The future is scary! I would be more than happy to be proven wrong by any of our goal tending prospects.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget

Kipper, Nabby, Tosk
Those guys are all Strelow trained goalies. We HAVE had the best depth in goaltending in the league for years. But I think that was due to Warren. I’m not as smug anymore. Griess isn’t knocking anyone’s socks off. I feel like for the first time in over a decade, we don’t have a ‘sure thing’ waiting to come up. It seems like forever we had that. If our nr two guy was getting just as good as the nr 1, just trade him for something (Kipper and Tosk) and the guy in Worchester was ready to pop right up and assume the role.
That’s one of the reasons I’m so high on Bouch. We may only have him for another couple of months. But at least a back up we can depend on.

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad

by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I like Brian’s personality. Gotta love that Ruski accent.

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad

by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't it always seem, though

that we never get enough in return for one of our goalies? Tosk and Kipper both went away (Kipper becoming a stalwart) and it just doesn’t seem that we ask enough. I don’t know if that’s just DW trying to work a deal for them to get a good starting slot or what. Just seems that we should have got a headline maker for Kipper

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad

by Dave Valentine on Apr 3, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did only get a 2nd rounder for Kipper.

And while that wasn’t much at the time, and I wish DW had gotten more for him, that pick turned into Pickles. So in hindsight I’d make that trade every time.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker

by Lurker Shark on Apr 3, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, when Kipper was traded, he wasn’t as good as he is now, nor was he anywhere near as valuable. If we’d known then what we know now, yeah, we should have asked for more but based on the info both sides had, it wasn’t bad. Vlasic was a pretty good get if you ask me.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our position was always apparent...

and teams see that. Both Calgary and Toronto exploited our need to get rid of a goalie. If our need to get rid of a goalie wasn’t so widely known, we probably could have gotten more.

But both our trade partners knew we had to get rid of a player. That puts them in a position of power. It’s the same reason that Minnesota didn’t trade Gaborik. When everyone knows you have to make a trade, you always get less in return.

Hindsight is 20-20. It appeared as if we didn’t get enough for either goalie. But now, we can see that both trades have worked out O.K.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to proof my comments like I do my posts… Redundant much redundant much?!?

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have to say that Nabokov far and away the best goalie we've ever had

his numbers are better, he’s taken us farther, he’s been here the longest. And I agree with Mr. Plank, when he’s on, he makes a better wall than Irbe.

I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!

by Diamondback15 on Apr 3, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This poll is useless

without Brian Hayward! =P

I love Irbe, and think he will always be a part of Sharks lore, but I might have to go with Nabokov

by schtimpy27 on Apr 3, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok Guys...

There will be a runoff between Toskala and Irbe on Monday.

by That'll Cheech You on Apr 3, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's also difficult to compare apples and oranges

and yet I can still decide which I like better. So while I might prefer bananas over oranges, if I had to vote for an apple or an orange and take the other as the backup, I’d still be fine voting apple and taking the orange as the citrus laden backup. Its not my first choice for a back up fruit, but it’s just as good in its own right.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com

by CTGray on Apr 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah........... sure........... what you said

I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!

by Diamondback15 on Apr 3, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so who is it for you sir,

irbe or toskala

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Apr 3, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irbe and Vernon

I voted for Nabby, but Irbe and Vernon will always stand out for their contributions to the growth of the Sharks. One Irbe was the first to get us into the playoffs and he beat Detroit in the first round. Vernon stands out because he helped us get back into the playoffs, unlike the guy he replaced.

by Kainoa223 on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which

…maybe to face off against the Greatest Sharks would be a starting line-up of the most hated Sharks opponents? Off the top of my head, Belf*** would start in goal, Pronger would be one of the two D and Theo Fleury and Selanne would make two thirds of the starting line.

I has good practice. Mike Grier keep shooting puck at me, and my confidence boosted very more. - "Evgeni Nabokov"

by Nael M. on Apr 4, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm most hated Sharks opponents lineup?

LW – Brenden Morrow
C – Steve Ott
RW – Theo Fleury
D – Brian Campbell
D – Chris Pronger
G – Ed Belfour
(Reserved: Jordin Tootoo, Jarome Iginla, Sean Avery, Teemu Selanne, Corey Perry)

Coach – Daryll Sutter

Let the end of the world begin with us!!

by insanewidget on Apr 4, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, excellent idea Nael. We’ll definitely do that this offseason.

+1 to you.

Fear The Fin: Where The Second Round Is Overrated

by Mr. Plank on Apr 4, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irbe...

Let me say this, if nabokov had the same defense that irbe had what would his record be? San joses defense during those days wasnt exactly stellar by any means. Whats more they were a unstellar and inexperienced as well. A lot of those dudes were just starting off. Seriously look at who irbes defenseman were for most of his days in san jose.

Ozolinsh, Norton, Kroupa, Pederson, Cronin, More, Rathje, Sykora, Zmolek. Zettlar.

Thats who irbe worked with when he was in San Jose. Whats more Irbe was playing in a more offensive era technically so that hurts his numbers more then nabokov. I mean besides ozo, and norton who else is even really a more “known” player to say? A lot of the other dudes was just san jose getting a boner when it started off about defense man being big ment they must be good.

So yea again lets switch there teams around and see what Irbe would have done with these sharks, and vise versa.

by seekritdude on Apr 10, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops wilson to I guess. My bad.

by seekritdude on Apr 10, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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