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Shutdown Line

I've always been interested in the Sharks having a line with offensive capabilities, but that was more known for it's defensive prowess and it's ability to shut down the opposing teams' best line. Anaheim used the line of Moen, Pahlsson, and Niedermayer in 2007 on its Stanley Cup run. This year, as far as the Finals go, in Detroit I see Zetterberg's line as being their shutdown line because they're the ones handling Crosby and doing an excellent job of it. So the Sharks got Travis Moen at the trade deadline this season. While it wasn't as big as DW's other trades, like say Campbell or Guerin, it was certainly keeping defense in mind because they say defense wins championships. Having Moen adds grit and defense to a line. Torrey Mitchell is another player who brings energy to the team, plays defense and is great on the PK. Grier is gone this offseason so I won't talk about him (sorry to any Grier fans). Goc is defensively capable, but is not tough enough, IMO. Taking that into consideration, we have 1/3-2/3 of a shutdown line in the works.

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What do the Sharks need to do to complete a shutdown line of their own? (specify answers in comments)
Call up a Worcester player
14 votes
Sign a Free Agent
9 votes
Throw a makeshift line together with existing players
2 votes
The Sharks don't need a shutdown line
0 votes

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It would be great, to be sure, depending on who you want that shutdown line to be.

In the series against Anaheim, Joe Thornton’s line played the majority of the minutes against Getzlaf and Co. Ideally, you hope that that top line is capable of shutting the other down. If you decide to play another line against that top line, you are left with playing a line with limited scoring potential (if you’re advocating for Mitchell, Moen, Goc, or something), while your top line sits.

We do need a defensive stopper line, and while I liked the idea of adding a guy like Moen, I don’t really like Moen himself. He seemed to shrink against his former team, and played well in about four of the twenty games he was here. You can sign a new player, but we’re having some cap issues so money will be tight. What’s important is advocating for strong defensive play from your top two lines. Marleau, Pavelski, and Michalek seem to get the whole defensive forward aspect, but it takes an effort from every guy. Will this year’s playoff loss inspire them to play better defensive hockey? One can only hope.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 2, 2009 7:00 AM PDT reply actions  

who do

you think we should sign?

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Jun 2, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the series against Anaheim, Joe Thornton’s line played the majority of the minutes against Getzlaf and Co. Ideally, you hope that that top line is capable of shutting the other down.


I’m all for a top line shutting the other down, but not in terms of doing it all in the defensive zone as the Sharks had to do in the playoffs. That neutralized our top line and made us virtually ineffective on offense, which is one of the major reasons we lost the series, along with Jonas Hiller and Nabby. If the Sharks can have the top lines playing most of their minutes in the offensive zone then that cancels out the opposing teams’ top lines. I think either Drew, Randy, or Bakes mentioned this when the playoffs started. Marleau and Michalek are good two-way forwards because they have blazing speed. Pavs isn’t quite the bullet when it comes to skating, so he relies more on positioning and an incredible hockey IQ. Mitchell is also gifted defensively because he’s got speed. What I’d like for the Sharks to have is a Penalty Killer(s) who have speed, but can also be physical. No offense to any of these players, but Marleau isn’t exactly Mr. Intimidation, Michalek barely started getting physical in the O zone, Pavs doesn’t have the size to be physical, and Mitchell can get some good checks in, but like Pavs he doesn’t have the size that maybe Marleau and Michalek are misusing. Essentially, the Sharks need some two-way forwards that will make the opposition shudder when they step over the boards onto the ice. I’m sure people are aware of Rob Blake’s hipcheck and Douglas Murray’s brick wall, but we need the forwards to bring it too. I’ve rambled way too long and essentially what my point is, is that we need forwards who can excel in both zones and be physical in both zones as well.

by c.perez on Jun 3, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap. I put everything in a box. Sorry about that.

by c.perez on Jun 3, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sharks forwards play good defence

To me this is largely a matter of coaching, not personnel. The current forwards get it. Marleau and Thornton did a decent job against Getzlaf and Perry, and I’m not disappointed with them. Detroit is good measuring stick, and except for the games where Getzlaf was sick as a dog, the Ducks top line was just as huge against Zetterburg and the Wings as against the Sharks.

But I like your thinking about shutting down the opposing top line. Look at the teams that the Sharks need to get past in the playoffs: Toews/Kane, Getzlaf/Perry, Crosby/Malkin, and goodness knows who else rises up next year. I think the shutdown player needed by the Sharks is a blueliner. I’d like to see a big, mean D-man paired with Boyle, able to pin guys to the boards, clear the crease, and inflict some pain without needing a full two-handed swing or leaving his skates.

by DetroiterInNorCal on Jun 2, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with this completely… Plank’s always been a big fan of Robyn Regehr, although I doubt we could get him, having a blueliner like him would do wonders for this team.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 2, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

when the cap goes down some interesting names might be available

I’m just afraid that Sharks will mess with roster too much. We don’t need #1 draft picks that will help us in 3 years.

by DetroiterInNorCal on Jun 2, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree with picking up a shutdown defenseman, but once again it might be a pipe dream with the cap space the way it is.

Regehr would be delicious, although highly unlikely.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 2, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torrey Mitchell is definitely going to be a big part of this, although placing him on a pure checking/shutdown line might take away some of his offensive capabilities. In a perfect world he’s part of my third line with McGinn, a line that is good defensively but has some touch around the net.

As for the poll question, I voted for going after someone in free agency, but like TCY said, the cap issues make this a concern. Although Plihal doesn’t get much love from the general fanbase, I actually think he’s fairly adept at serving this purpose:

Moen-Plihal-Grier

The fourth line is where things get really good in my opinion. Talk about shutdown. Moen was a part of the checking line for Anaheim when they won the Cup, and his contribution during that run (along with Pahlsson) was a key aspect to their success. Pairing him with Grier and Plihal makes for a very imposing crew of players to face, and coupled with the last change at home, McLellan will have boundless opportunities to throw them out against the opposing team’s top line. They’re physical, decently quick, and all very good in the defensive zone. There’s a reason all three players see a lot of PK time.

- April Pre-Playoffs

Take a look at some of Plihal’s numbers in that piece- while he’s not an offensive powerhouse by any means, he is defensively responsible as well as being an RFA who isn’t going to command a whole lot of money. There’s definitely upgrades out there in free agency, but with money tight and most likely being used for other personnel, he’s not a bad fit.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 2, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Does that mean...

you’re interested in the Plihal mystery puck that I always seem to leave the Tank with? I was thinking about letting my dogs “play” with it.

If I can find the McLaren one, they can have that one, too.

by stufflife on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I got a Matt Carle puck. I was hoping for Semenov.

"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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by Morti on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

Well I’ve got a Patzold.

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by Lurker Shark on Jun 5, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

winner winner

Mina has about 40 Josh Gorges pucks that she can’t trade in for a chicken dinner.

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by CTGray on Jun 5, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moen-Mitchell-McGinn/Staubitz

I say re-sign three of those four and make it a line combination. Although Grier might be hard to sign, maybe Grier gets the Right Wing. I think the combination I listed would be deadly, especially as an energy line. Or Roenick-Mitchell-Cheechoo, not neccessarily as a shut down line, but those guys provided a lot of energy in the playoffs, and if Cheech and Roenick are willing to take paycuts, I could see it happening.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 2, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Cheech can’t take a pay cut. His cap hit is two more years at 3.00 M.

Not a bad line at all, and I assume McGinn will be slated into the third line for the majority of next season.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 2, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Grier is not going to be in Teal next season. I could be wrong because nothing has been done yet, but IMO Grier is not going to be re-signed on account of his age and diminishing skill.

by c.perez on Jun 2, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i've got

armstrong goc plihal

as my fourth line/ shutdown line looking forward to next year we are cap raped so i don’t see us signing anybody trades are big possibility though.

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Jun 2, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds Good

A cheap line, and has some potential, especially considering Armstrong broke out for the WorSharks during the Calder Cup playoffs.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 2, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

i love the guy

he is a menace

I don't like you Detroit.

by mattman on Jun 2, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds good

Goc seems reliable on face-offs

by DetroiterInNorCal on Jun 3, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, good defensive game

I don’t recall him getting a chance against Getzlaf. He might be able to handle it. Did we see that match-up this year?

by DetroiterInNorCal on Jun 4, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

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