RFA of the Day: Marcel Goc
I'm biased on this issue. Back in the day (January), I wrote a response to a poster's dissin' of Marcel Goc. Although some of my reasoning was faulty, many of the points I made about why I like Goc as a player still hold true today. I'm not as into him as I was earlier in the season, but I still have faith that he can be a capable third line player.
First off, Goc will be 26 at the beginning of next season. He's not "young" by traditional prospect standards, but he's also not yet old enough to write off completely. Here's his scouting report, courtesy of TheHockeyNews.com
ASSETS: Has outstanding speed and creative instincts in the offensive zone. Is a capable player in all game situations.
FLAWS: Must gain more strength in order to withstand the pounding of an 82-game schedule. Needs more time to fully develop his all-around game.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Second line center.
Although Goc might never reach his potential, this report is what should be expected from a late first round pick. In researching Goc, I also found this article which was written about him in 2006 at Hockey's Future, take a look see...
Entering the 2001 NHL Entry Draft, Marcel Goc was considered the best prospect Germany had produced since Marco Sturm. Five years later, San Jose's second German first round pick is well on his way toward becoming one of the top two-way forwards in the NHL.
After playing four seasons in the DEL Goc came to North America for the 2003-04 season to play for the AHL Cleveland Barons. The 20-year-old Goc scored 16 goals and 21 assists in 78 games for Cleveland, but he also impressed in five playoffs games with the San Jose Sharks. The lockout kept him out of the NHL in 2004-05, but with the return of the NHL came the arrival of Goc in San Jose as a regular in the line-up.
Goc started the 2005-06 season as a second and third line center, but he was moved down to the third and fourth lines after the acquisition of Joe Thornton. However, after Alyn McCauley was injured against Nashville in the first round of the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs, Goc was again on the third line full-time and playing a high-energy forechecking game.
The 22-year-old has displayed keen two-way hockey sense since he was a teenager in Germany, but the smooth skating Goc also has soft hands and offensive abilities. His defensive awareness and effort, mixed with his offensive skills, should help Goc contend for the Selke Trophy later in his career. Goc will never be a regular first line forward in the NHL, but players like Goc help win Stanley Cups.
It's that last line that gets me. People around here get on Goc for his inability to score, but that's really not what Goc is about. In 55 games this year, I was pretty impressed from what I saw from Goc, even with the lack of scoring. Like these observers above, I see Goc's ability to play a solid two way game. If he wasn't the victim of the crazy 3rd - 4th line shuffling during the year, he probably would have put up much better numbers to go along with his solid defensive play. Defensive play, you ask? Well, according to behindthenet.ca, Goc took 0.5 penalties/60, yet drew 1.0. The 1.83 goals/60 mins that were scored against the Sharks while Goc was on the ice is 5th lowest on the team.
These are solid numbers. Most importantly, though, is face-off percentage. Although Goc's missed games take him out of the running for the league lead in the category, his 58.2 winning percentage put him first on the Sharks and fourth in the NHL. That's crazy valuable.
If I were McLellan, I'd plop Goc on a third line with Mitchell and Moen/whoever else. That all-energy checking line would work magic in all three zones. People forget that Goc is one of the best all around skaters on the team, and putting him on a line with Mitchell would help both of their numbers. In addition, I would give Goc more duties on the PK. Although Marleau, Michalek, Grier, and Pavelski got the job done for most of the season last year, I'd prefer that Mitchell and Goc see more time. This is a necessity with Grier likely leaving, but it will also allow McLellan to rest Marleau more. Third, I'd make sure that Goc was hitting the gym every day. Adding 10-15 pounds to his 6'1", 200 lb frame would do wonders for his skillset. With that extra size, Goc would also be able to more easily create offense. He loves moving the puck to the wings and playing along the boards; the increased size would give him an advantage in that department. I'm also ready to see him start camping in front of the net when he doesn't have the puck. That grit could be used in the defensive zone too, as an increased frame could help him block shots. Lastly, bulking up will likely help prevent injury; he's broken down almost every year so far. Hit the weights, Count Chocula.
All in all, I'm not ready to give up on Goc. I think he's a good player. He might never put up the offensive numbers that a top six forward would, but that's not what I'm looking for. I want a solid, two way player who chips in some offense here and there. 11 points isn't nearly enough, but I think we can expect good things from Goc this year. With consistent line mates, a 30 point season isn't out of the question. It's time for him to live up to the hype.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Goc is the cataylst to this team's success. If he can finally become the dominant (doesn't have to score 50 points to do this) two way player I expect him to be, well, let's just say I don't think we'd be going home in the first round. He's got the grit we're missing, he just has to use it.
TCY's Final Offer: 3 years at $1.00MM annually. It's a pretty decent raise over the $775,000 he was making last year, even though his stats don't really merit an increase. I'm giving him the 3 year deal in hopes that the $1.00MM looks like a good deal in year two, and a steal in year three. I don't think the demand is too high for him, but signing a thrid line player with his potential at this price is almost criminal. Also, he looks like Count Chocula, and I love it.
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yea, sure
he hasn’t given me a reason to not sign him.
Goc on a third line with Mitchell and Moen/whoever else. That all-energy checking line would work magic in all three zones. People forget that Goc is one of the best all around skaters on the team, and putting him on a line with Mitchell would help both of their numbers. In addition, I would give Goc more duties on the PK. Although Marleau, Michalek, Grier, and Pavelski got the job done for most of the season last year, I’d prefer that Mitchell and Goc see more time. This is a necessity with Grier likely leaving, but it will also allow McLellan to rest Marleau more.i like that idea
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i'm of the opinion
that he was one of our hardest working players in the playoffs and season. And hard work is goooooood
re-sign him!
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I like your third line idea. Someone call DW.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 20, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I've loved Goc
since his first playoffs (Colorado 04). I love his speed, his hands are good, and I agree very much that if he’d had some consistent linemates (and could avoid injury) his production would have been much better this year. He has the skill sets to be more of a vital player on this team (I think he already is one, though). The whole thing about him never being a top 6 forward, I don’t think that’s the point. A team that rolls 4 lines consistently doesn’t need 12 top 6 forwards. The 3 and 4 lines have to be filled with good 3rd-and-4th-line-type players, and I think Marcel is a solid 3rd line guy. Mitchell-Goc-Moen/whoever…watch out league.
A good GAON/60 is nice
But that is only half the picture. Goc’s GAON/60 was great, but the goal in hockey isn’t to give up as little goals as possible (nor is it to score as many as possible). The goal is to score more than your opponent. And the only forwards with a worse GFON/60 vs. GAON60 ratio with more than 20 games played were Jamie McGinn and Jody Shelly. Mike Greir clearly had a poor year but still was on the ice for more goals than he gave up. Same for JR. Same for Cheechoo. Even Staubitz had a better ratio. Each of those guys were in similar situations as Goc with all the line shuffling and were net positives. Goc was not.
I hate to say it, but in sum, Marcel Goc probably was the second worst forward on the Sharks last year behind Jody Shelly. Anything more than the minimum and the Sharks are wasting money for replacement level performance. I understand the optical illusion, the stats clearly show that I have GREATLY overrated Jamie McGinn’s contributions, but it doesn’t change the fact that Marcel Goc is nevertheless an optical illusion for most Sharks fans.
Let him go.
Yea...
But I’m looking at Goc to be more of a defensive forward. The Sharks didn’t score when he was on the ice, well duh. But he was far from the worst forward on the team. If you are looking for pure scoring, he’s definitely not your guy. I’m not, so I’m hoping Goc brings even more D to the table, which I think he can.
Give him another year with consistent time and line-mates, and I think he breaks 35 points.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 20, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand the desire for defense
And there is no doubt Goc is a good defensive forward. If the argument is the he could eventually be better on offense to compliment his D, then maybe he becomes worth keeping long term.
But if the argument is that he is good enough now, or hasn’t gotten the opportunity, then I think there is a little hometown bias going on with evaluating him. Now, if Goc built his stats playing against top liners all the time, then things change a little. But according to behindthenet.ca, only Plihal (among guys with 40GP) played against easier competition. Sammy Phalsson he is not :-(
So we have a guy that can shut down 3rd /4th liners but gets shut down even more by them, plays good PK on a team full of good PKers, and wins about 5 more faceoffs every 100 over Joe Thornton and Joe Pavelski.
I say he gets one more year at $750K to turn his tools into hockey skills. If he doesn’t score 30pts with the same defensive numbers, cut him loose.
I need to see more from Goc
Not more goal scoring, but just more.. Something besides face offs.
I am undecided as to whether we should resign him. The third/fourth lines need the most shaking up in the off season and less shaking up in the regular season.
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I'd also like to see more from him to make an intelligent decision
but the problem was that, like you mentioned, we didn’t see him enough for him to qualify for league leaders. If he wasn’t getting the ice time, maybe Todd McClellan doesn’t see it in him, and I would have to defer to his judgment.
He’s 26, he’s been a “full-time” player since 0405, yet he isn’t playing 82 games a season. I have to say that maybe if he hasn’t shown it by now, he doesn’t have it.
I voted yes because he’s a smooth skater and does work along the boards, but he should be able to make a few more plays, even on the Sharks’ third line. Face it, a lot of teams would play him as a second line center.
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Thank you for expressing my thoughts for me
I think Goc has more than he’s shown us so far, and maybe 26 is a good age to have that breakout year that bumps him to another pay band.
OTOH he’s injury prone and not outplaying anyone else enough to steal their minutes. Give him one more try to put together that career-defining year.
by DetroiterInNorCal on Jun 21, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Goc as a third line player...
He just needs to stay healthy and on the ice. His defense and face off prowess can’t be overlooked…and are important parts to a team looking to take the next step in the postseason. Yes, he does need to be better offensively, but I’d much rather have him, at his salary (less than a million, no more than a million) than anyone else we could probably get to fill that role.
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I predict a “swift kick in the Goc” if he is not re-signed.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions
how about a total offense lineup?
1-Marleau-Thornton-Setoguchi
2-Clowe(cough-Havlat-cough)-Pavelski-Michalek
3-Mitchell-Goc-Cheechoo
4-McGinn-Plihal-McGinn
with Couture as a call up when he’s ready :DDDDD
i know this won’t happen but think of all teh goals
WHOOPS ERROR!
4-ROENICK-Plihal-McGinn
my bad
by Brian5517209 on Jun 20, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign.
A Goc-Mitchell-Moen line is sounding ever enticing now.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 21, 2009 11:09 PM PDT reply actions
Eh, with passing maybe. He’s not really a goal scorer.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I seem to remember him tackling a goalie (Rask, I believe) during the Calder Cup playoffs. So maybe BrandonMK50 means in that way…
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Oh, well, that works too.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jun 22, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions

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