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TCY's Wish List: Joel Ward

Just so ya'll know, I'm writing this before the NHL draft. Started it Thursday, probably going to finish it Friday while I'm (erhem) at work. (UPDATE: finished it on Sunday)

Point is, if this comes out after the draft, it might not make a whole lot of sense. Joel Ward is a role player,  a piece on a good team. The Sharks could pull a move in the next few days that make this post irrelevant, but I'm writing it nonetheless. I like Joel Ward, and I'm hoping after I write this post, you do too. (UPDATE: Wilson didn't do anything)

Ward isn't going to wow anyone with his offense, and that's probably the reason it took him three pro seasons to sniff some regular NHL playing time. However, in 79 games this season, Ward put up some solid numbers on an uncharacteristically weak Nashville squad. Ward posted 17 goals and 35 points on the season. Two of the goals were shorties, and two were game winners. Not bad for a guy who was on an offensively challenged team, where only 3 players scored 20 goals or more.

I'm not looking towards Ward for scoring, though. There are others you can sign if you are looking to improve your top two lines. I'm looking at Ward because he's the type of guy who can help improve your bottom lines and special teams. Although many disgruntled Sharks fans are angry at the big six for their lack of, well, anything during the playoffs... they weren't the only problem. The bottom two lines not only didn't score (Cheechoo had the lone point amongst them), but they were also ineffective on defense. Ward might not be the biggest offensive improvement, but he's got exactly what I'm looking for in a third or fourth line guy: Grit, hustle, solid defense, some scoring pop, good size and speed.

Although his 6'2" 205 pound frame puts him 10 pounds lighter than Moen, Ward plays big (and occasionally reckless). He's a good skater and has decent hands for a sandpaper guy. But most importantly, he's got a chip on his shoulder. After his long journey to the NHL, Ward plays as if he has something to prove... and that's what the Sharks need.

He's also a fantastic penalty killer. Of players who played at least two minutes a game for Nashville on the penalty kill, Ward has some crazily impressive numbers. Per 60 minutes on the kill with Ward on the ice, 3.69 goals were scored against the Predators. Take him off the ice, and that number skyrockets to 6.15. Only Ward's kill partner, Jerred Smithson, had a bigger spread between the two values (3.60 GAON, 6.18 GAOFF), but it's a negligible difference. For the record, of all Sharks players, only Pavelski had a higher GAOFF (6.23). However, no Shark had a lower GAON, as Pavelski's team low is 4.38. Moen's team high is a (scream!, however, this counts his time with ANA) 7.75.

No, Ward's never won a Stanley Cup. He can't tell you how to get to the promised land or mentor your young players. But there aren't many who look like they want to get there more than Ward does. Over the last few seasons, Doug Wilson has been big on signing guys who have Stanley Cup rings. Although I do agree that is necessary to have experience, that strategy doesn't always work. Occasionally, players who have won the Cup become complacent, as they've already reached the top of the mountain. Do they really want to climb it again?

I think we need a few players with a bit more fire.

Joel Ward is a guy that can bring fire. All observers see that he does what it takes to win. He's not the one guy who is going to help us get over the hump, but I think it's a tweak that gets us closer. How much is he looking for?

Preds losing several key players?

Greg Zanon, Joel Ward and Vern Fiddler are all unrestricted free agents, and Predators GM David Poile doesn't sound too optimistic about signing them, the Tennessean reports.

Ward is asking for three times what he made this year -- $1.5 million -- and Zanon can likely be replaced from inside the organization, Poile said.

Also, Poile added that keeping Steve Sullivan isn't a given, but he sounded more optimistic about locking up the Masterton Trophy winner.

-ESPN

 

If we let Grier go, and Roenick comes back for less, then Ward will fit in quite nicely. Anywhere from $1.25MM - $1.5MM, and I'm a happy camper.

Poll
Which 3rd/4th line player would you most like to sign for the 2009-2010 season?
Marcel Goc
31 votes
Mike Grier
29 votes
Travis Moen
72 votes
Joel Ward
63 votes
Other (explain)
9 votes

204 votes | Poll has closed

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he sounds good to me
Grit, hustle, solid defense, some scoring pop, good size and speed.

well, the other guys in the poll don’t have all of that.

and speaking of signing other guys, isn’t torrey mitchell a FA? i’d sign him first, all that speed and skill.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Jun 29, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He is, but it’s pretty much the consensus to resign him. The other guys are more “fringe”, so I left Mitchell out.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet if you did include Mitchell, the poll would be fairly lopsided and wouldn’t really tell anyone anything besides the fact that he’s awesome.

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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i expect the rest of your wishlist before july 1st

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have too many players left. I’ll get one out for tomorrow, but that’ll be it.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if one of my wishlist players remains unsigned, I’ll add them on.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if there's 7-8 players on your wish list

don’t hold me to it – but you may be in luck!

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good

He can replace Grier as our token black guy, lol.

But, yeah. His numbers look good, especially on a team that didn’t make the playoffs, and he’s five years younger and presumably doesn’t have the same knee/injury problems that Grier does. San Jose is a legitimate contender, and has been for years, and so will hopefully be attractive to Ward (that, and the weather kicks some serious ass compared to pretty much everywhere else).

Oh, and I’m looking at his playoff numbers post-lockout right now. Granted, they’re only from the AHL as he has yet to reach the post-season at the NHL level, but in 2006 he had a line of 4-2-6 in 8 games played, and in 2008 he was an 0-2-2 in 4 games played. While not Malkin-esque numbers, it is rather impressive for a defensive grinder.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

San Jose is a legitimate contender, and has been for years, and so will hopefully be attractive

I don’t understand why that fact doesn’t seem to work more often…we never get Free Agents!

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we got Rob Blake (who wanted to stay in California, but the Ducks were set and the Kings didn’t want him), and, um, I think Semenov was a UFA. And Boucher! He was one too! Oh, and the other old guys – JR and Claude Lemieux. They were UFAs as well.

…Yeah, free agents tend to avoid San Jose like the plague, unless they’re traded here, and then they stay (unless they’re stupid and want to get booed). Its kind of annoying.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it definitely is

i don’t understand why they’d rather go to a crap team like the rangers or something, go where the team is good, even if it’s a non-traditional market!

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t understand why they’d rather go to a crap team like the rangers

Gomez made $10M in 07-08. Drury is making $8.05M next year. Redden has made $8M the past two years. Rozsival made $7M last year. That might be why.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players tend to go for money, success, or family. The Rangers’ roster went for money. Hossa went for success (lol). Campbell said he went for family, but we all know it was really the money.

The Sharks tend to be rather conservative with their money, not throwing it at free agents, so that’s usually ruled out. Family is out because few hockey players grow up in California, much less San Jose. As for success – while the Sharks have been competitive for years, they have still yet to win a Cup, and so aren’t as desirable as teams like the Wings. It sucks, but hey, that’s life.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of my roommates

is from Chicago, and I was complaining to him that all Bay Area Sports teams fare poorly and can’t get free agents. He was saying he thinks it’s too relaxed of an environment and there isn’t enough pressure on the players, too much other fun, nice things they can do instead. I don’t really think he knows what he’s talking about. But I do wonder whether all the media stuff about “low pressure” and “California lifestyle” really does have an effect on teams. I tend to think not, but I dunno! Maybe it contributes to the Free Agent thing though, the feeling that it’s just not a great sports area to inhabit

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fare poorly?

la angels of anaheim? hate to say it, but the dodgers are really good. the giants are also in the hunt for the wild card. the A’s and 49ers have been historically good even though they’re down right now.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers and Angels aren’t Bay Area teams, though.

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

well he claimed cuz there’s so many more people in LA, the pressure is there or something. I dunno like I said he didn’t really know what he was talking about, I’m not sure he’s ever been to California

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

having lived in souther california for awhile

I say to that bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha

:)

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have friends who have been out of state and they say everyone thinks they are surfers.

by idunno723 on Jun 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also we ride earthquakes to work and skateboard home. And it’s ALWAYS shorts weather, even in the City.

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And everyone is blonde and tan and lives next to a movie star.

There is also no difference between Northern and Southern California. Absolutely none.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a blonde filipino?!?!

i got the tan part down pretty good.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Jun 29, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they can make anyone blonde now days

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops my bad

i was thinking about california teams. i forgot he was talking about the bay area.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Jun 29, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or...(Gasp)

We could have TWO black guys! I know, I know – I’m talking crazy talk again (heaven forbid Joslin comes up full time this year)

by AfroPuff on Jun 29, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woah, hold on there

I’m not so sure if we can deal with that. TWO black guys? On a hockey team? That’s insanity!

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s against the NHL rules.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sold...

Where’s the stop to jump aboard the Ward bandwagon?

Seriously, though, the way you describe him, he sounds like just the kind of player we need for our 3/4 lines: defensive stoppers who arent offensive black holes.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Wardwagon?

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 29, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to TCY

what’s your specific level of disappointment with the draft (non) activity?

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very dissapointed...

But as I told Plank last night, I’m not going to do a “WILSON YOU SUCK OMG SO F&^%ING ANGRY” post until at least the 5th (one day after Boyle was traded for last year)

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was really as late as the 5th?

guess that is good reason not to wait by my computer until the Sharks do something…

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like a decent guy to grab

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well he seems like the most logical choice

but i agree, his playoff performance was poop

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

many of the Sharks had a pooptacular post season showing. It’s an outlier I am throwing out for the time being. Maybe others are too.

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by CTGray on Jun 29, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair point

i voted for goc, cuz i liked his playoff performance!

by a10dency2ask on Jun 29, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It means every player on both lists are off the Sharks forever.

Just kidding, I don’t know what it means either. SOMEONE EXPLAIN!

by idunno723 on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting story sort of...

So usually when I come across a player I don’t know I look them up at the SBN player page thing and see the Scouting Report. According to Joel Ward’s page he is an industrious winger. Being me, I didn’t know what that meant so I Dictionary.com’ed it. By definition from the Random House Dictionary, Joel Ward is a hard-working winger! Sign him!

Oh, question time. Would Ward be willing to sign with the Sharks?

by idunno723 on Jun 29, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Will he come to SJ?

Dude’s in Nashville right now. How much more non-traditional does it get? Unless he’s a big Elvis fan…

Originally a NorthStars fan, but Modano is all that remains.

by stufflife on Jun 29, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, it looks like Goc and Plihal are (among those) gone.

That leaves plenty of room to sign Ward.

If I can successfully mind-meld with DW, then it’ll happen. If it does, I’m getting a Ward black armor, first thing.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they can still re-sign with the Sharks, they just aren’t getting raises. But, since I believe Goc filed for arbitration before his last contract, Goc is likely gone as he probably thinks he deserves more.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, yea, I assume that some of them will be back. But not all of them will be, and therefore there is some cash to be spent here and there.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true. Armstrong seems likely to me. Morris, if he takes league minimum and can play hockey next year (the lack of QO could signal that he can’t, or that other teams are too scared off by his concussion problems). Dakers, maybe. I suspect Kaspar is going to Europe.

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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard it’s a certainty that Kaspar is hopping continents, so this is no surprise. Armstrong will get some looks though, so I’m miffed he didn’t get an offer.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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