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Sharks 2009-2010 Lineup

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If only San Jose's cap situation looked this cool

[Plank Update 7/1]: We will be updating the roster as players are signed to the team. Here's what we got thus far.

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Patrick Marleau (6.3 M) - Joe Thornton (7.2 M) - Devin Setoguchi (1.247 M)

Milan Michalek (4.33 M) - Joe Pavelski (1.637 M) - Ryane Clowe (3.5 M)

None- None- Jonathan Cheechoo (3.00 M)

Jody Shelley (0.725 M) - None - None

It is likely Jamie McGinn will hold a spot on the wing (likely the third line) next season.

Defensemen

Dan Boyle (6.667 M) - Brad Lukowich (1.567 M)

Marc-Edouard Vlasic (3.1 M) - Rob Blake (3.5 M)

Douglas Murray (2.5 M) - Christian Ehrhoff (3.1 M)

Kent Huskins (1.7 M)

Goaltenders

Evgeni Nabokov (5.375 M)

None

Cap Space

1.774 M, five forwards and a backup goaltender still needing to be re-signed.

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Well....
shit.
509 votes
we'll be alright.
218 votes

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Shit...

But D.W. can work it out. Make us proud!

by Juicebag on Jun 29, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What is this “healthy scratch” that you are speaking of? I do not recall the Sharks having one this year. Is it anything like the injured reserve?

Anyways, if you look at it like that – $1.16M per player – yeah, it looks kind of scary. But, really, the players that we need to sign are all on the lower end of the salary spectrum (save for Blake and Clowe – but its really either Clowe or Cheech at this point), so its rather do-able. Bring up some Worcester guys, sign young role-players that haven’t quite broken out yet and have been on bad/mediocre teams, and we should be good. I don’t expect anyone on the fourth line to make over $800K, and the third line’s highest salary should be around $1.3M (and that’s just one player – I expect the others to hover around $1M). Add to that a backup that would make around $760K (aka, Greiss), and we should have some cap space left. Not much, but some.

If worse comes to worse, I could see DW trading away Michalek or one of our defensemen (likely Murray, because we have the Murray-like Moore coming up soon, and Petrecki later on) to create cap space.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Murray! He can’t trade Murray! I’m grabbing my phone right now! I don’t know what I’ll do with it, but he can’t trade Crankshaft!! (notice to double exclamation points on that last one!)

Originally a NorthStars fan, but Modano is all that remains.

by stufflife on Jun 29, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry. Its just out of all of our defensemen, he’s the most replaceable through the guys we already have in the system (Moore, Petrecki, and now Wrenn and Doherty). Believe me, I don’t want to lose Murray and his amazing hitting skills either.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crankshaft

We need a hitter like Murray on the team.

by Kainoa223 on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is this "healthy scratch" that you are speaking of? I do not recall the Sharks having one this year. Is it anything like the injured reserve?

Heh, made me laugh.

If we’re looking at Clowe and Blake alone, that’s roughly six million dollars (minimum?), which allows us four million of cap space. Move Cheech for salary relief gets us back up to seven, bringing up McGinn puts us at six (his cap hit is .997 according to NHL Numbers). We now have six players who need to be signed at six million dollars.

Looking at the long term, it’s likely management will want to shed some salary to allow for some flexibility- both with the salary cap predicted to come down next season, and the history of them never spending to the limit until 08-09. Where that takes us for internal cap is anyone’s guess, but it’s something to keep in mind.

As for signing six players at six million dollars- does that make us as competitive as we were last season? I don’t think so. It effectively rules out making a splash on the free agent market (which might be a non-factor considering we haven’t landed a UFA in their prime for years now), and doesn’t do much in the way of improving the secondary scoring depth that was an issue during the tail end of the season.

Unless a big piece is moved (Michalek, Ehrhoff, Marleau, Nabokov), I just don’t see this team improving on paper from last season. It’s still a playoff team, and one that could compete for the Cup, but it’s not as if great strides were made by ditching role players (Goc, Plihal) for other role players of nearly equal value.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 29, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an aside- I’m not saying Wilson should have extended qualifying offers to Goc or Plihal (although I think Plihal is a good depth forward, and one that could do well for San Jose on the fourth line)- it’s more along the lines of lateral movement vs. improvement.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 29, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true, although I think what DW is basing his moves on is that its less of an improvement in skill (because the Sharks have gobs of it already), and more of a change in faces, to show that the management is serious about winning, and won’t just keep guys because they do well in the regular season. They’re stuck with a lot of the top guys, between the NTCs and how awesome Pavelski and Seto are (and cheap, you can’t forget cheap).

Oh, and more and more do I see Michalek being moved. He’s pretty much the only player that doesn’t have an NTC that isn’t completely vital to the future. I mean, Pavelski, Seto, and Vlasic – enough said. Its hard to find comparable replacements for Ehrhoff and Murray for similar or better prices (okay, maybe Murray, but still). McGinn can be put in Michalek’s role; granted, he probably won’t get 50+ (although, the same was said about Seto and look where he ended up…), but he’s $3M cheaper and that can be used to sign guys that are more suited to the grinding role of the third line.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages

by mymclife on Jun 29, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll be fine

DW will figure something out. but please trade cheechoo.

"It aint over till the fat lady sings." - Not Yogi Berra

by serrapadre716 on Jun 29, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well it's quite possibly going to get rough after next season.

I know I’ve said it before, but those short contracts for Patty and Joe are really looking like good ideas right now. Unless DW is going to seriously shake things up with our top earners, he won’t be bringing in anyone making that kind of money. Just needing to fill out the 3/4 lines and a backup goalie isn’t that bad. Things could definitely be worse.

And I do believe that’s a Purple Haze bottle cap in your collection there.

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oer sometoethin lie kthat!!!! -Mr. K

by Lurker Shark on Jun 29, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no wonder

no wonder he said he was making up to 8 changes.. we already need 7…

by briansays on Jun 29, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of caps...

I made this hat in college. It was eventually all beer caps. In this pic, it was just the bill.

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by That'll Cheech You on Jun 29, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

update

you should update the numbers and lines as we sign/trade people

by kbofosho on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fo sho kbo. Solid idea.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 30, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Totally off the topic of the post, but I have a 6-year-old beer cap collection in my desk. There are quite a few of the same ones in my collection as there are in that graphic.

As far as hockey (that’s what this site is about, right?). I agree with Lurker:

Unless DW is going to seriously shake things up with our top earners, he won’t be bringing in anyone making that kind of money. Just needing to fill out the 3/4 lines and a backup goalie isn’t that bad. Things could definitely be worse.

Further, as has been touched on in this post already, it’s not necessarily changing the skill levels of the players as much as it is changing the players themselves. DW has given the team everything it needed in terms of talent, and it has consistently fallen short when it counts. On paper we were one of the best teams in the league last year and look where it got us. Thus, if you’ve followed the way I and others here have drifted, the change in faces would be the next logical step in DW’s quest for the Cup.

by Chicago Shark on Jun 30, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can I vote “shit” again?

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by That'll Cheech You on Jul 1, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

UGH

Pretty disappointed with what happened or what didn’t happen today. I wasn’t really hoping for a big free agent signing but i was hoping to see something happen that i could see as a positive. I don’t really like the amount Huskins was signed for. Hopefully we will trade Murray or Ehrhoff , Lukowhich , Marleau ,and Cheechoo. I pray that DW will somehow sign Grier or Moen even though he said Grier isn’t returning. I’m really afraid what happened in Ottawa will happen here in SJ. I hope DW can do something in the next few days.

by bear grylls on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for some rosterbation- who do you guys see moving?

Huskins will likely be an upgrade over Luko, but that’s not nearly enough considering the cap space available. Take into account Mitchell and Clowe (roughly 4.25 M for the pair?), and it looks like the “changes” DW was talking about are likely going to be closer to ten than the “six to eight” he was previously considering.

Brad Lukowich: Necessary, plain and simple.
Jonathan Cheechoo: The consensual pick, but if (worst case) Clowe walks, do you keep him? You might have to and slide him up to the first line with Joe and Patty. Clowe re-signs, have to move him.
Milan Michalek: Out of the top six (discluding Cheechoo), he seems to be the likely solution. I was impressed by his progress this season defensively, but that contract would free up a lot of space. Likely a good return as well.
Christian Ehrhoff: Lots of positives and negatives here, but once again the contract and return is big enough to free up space.
Douglas Murray: Contract might not be worth 2.5. Downside is you lose some sandpaper, although Huskins might make up for that. Return probably minimal.
Patrick Marleau: Price has to be right. Moving him would kill me due to the fact finding a two way forward with that skill set is hard, but I wouldn’t label him as untouchable at this stage of the game. Not with the cap shaking up to look like that. We’ve covered him so much this offseason in the comments I think we know where everyone stands.
Evgeni Nabokov: Concern would be he’s heading into a contract year and would play better. Return on him would be good however. I think we could get more at the deadline, though- teams tend to overpay at that time of year, but then again, the economy and shrinking cap next season makes banking on that might dicey. Same with Patty, we covered this a lot in the comments and probably know where everyone stands.

Basically the only untouchables are Boyle, Blake, Vlasic, Thornton, Pavelski, and Setoguchi. Looking at the numbers, I can’t figure out anyway Wilson sticks with all the aforementioned “trade prospects”, especially with Clowe and Mitchell still needing to get offers.

We’re not boned just yet, but I’m starting to get a little fucking worried.

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by Mr. Plank on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You aren't the only one brutha.

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
NIEDKLERYARYER
oer sometoethin lie kthat!!!! -Mr. K

by Lurker Shark on Jul 1, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i gotta say michalek, murray, luko

not sure what are the positives and negatives of it, but that’s my gut feeling. If we get Gustavsson, there’s a chance with Nabby I guess but I doubt it

by a10dency2ask on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Downside is you lose some sandpaper, although Huskins might make up for that.

Uh, I’m not sure you should be looking for reliable sandpaper out of Huskins — it’s a bit come-and-go. I’ll do my writeup on the guy tomorrow, but keep in mind it’s been months since anybody has seen Huskins Time on the ice.

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by Earl Sleek on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even have the energy to try and speculate on who’s staying or going. I want to, but my mind is flat at the thought.

If Patty goes……oh man, I don’t even know what to say if that happens.

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by CTGray on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow Gray

reply fail when you have the right reply window open. Epic.

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by CTGray on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

And wouldn’t Patty leaving be one of the signs of the apocalypse? You know, like cats and dogs living together?

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
NIEDKLERYARYER
oer sometoethin lie kthat!!!! -Mr. K

by Lurker Shark on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so Patty leaving is also a sign the Ghostbusters are coming?

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by CTGray on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it be Mr. Stay-Puft?

It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
NIEDKLERYARYER
oer sometoethin lie kthat!!!! -Mr. K

by Lurker Shark on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just wondering that

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by CTGray on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Patty is kind of soft.

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by Morti on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stuck

Is DW stuck with players that other teams undervalue?? Because of the playoff failures, are we stuck with this group until their contracts end?? We all saw DW’s public talk about changes, but nothing but overpaying Clowe and Huchins and giving Blake what he is worth..No trades, no free agents, other teams getting stronger in the west..

I think we are looking at a real fight for the division and fourth or fifth in the conference..Chicago and Calgary have made big moves, Detroit we know about, so it looks like
we are going backwards here..

Will we make the only move left out there and get Heatly??

by The Sear on Jul 7, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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