The Journey
"I'll be alright without you, there'll be someone else, I keep telling myself"
With the San Jose Sharks wrestling with the horrors of competing in the salary cap age, today we're taking a page out of Wilson's playbook in order to analyze the players who are most likely to be dealt before next season. Salary cap ramifications. Upside. Skill level. Performance vs. pay.
Here's the list of usual suspects (with salary cap hit in parentheses):
Jonathan Cheechoo (3.0), Patrick Marleau (6.3), Milan Michalek (4.3), Christian Ehrhoff (3.1), Brad Lukowich (1.57), Douglas Murray (2.5), Evgeni Nabokov (5.38)
Related Pieces: Fuzzy Math... maybe? (July 2nd, 2009). Free Agency Cheat Sheet (June 29th, 2009). Sharks 2009-2010 Lineup (June 29th, 2009). Looking Forward (March 5th, 2009).
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Synopsis: Regulated to a third line role, Cheechoo had trouble contributing offensively all season long. His shaky skating ability, injury problems, and reliance on other players to create scoring opportunities for him played a large role in his declining goal totals since the season he won the Rocket Richard.
Contract: $3.00 M cap hit for the next two seasons, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: Likely on the third line once again, unless a top six winger is moved. The depth chart has him behind Clowe and Setoguchi on the right side, but if Michalek is traded Clowe could theoretically move over to the left wing and open up a spot for Cheechoo on the second line. Pairing him with Thornton once again on the top line (and bumping Setoguchi down to line two) would probably be a better option (considering Clowe-Pavelski-Cheech lacks any ability to stretch the defense), although it was met with minimal success during the times it occurred in 2008-2009.
Reasons For Moving: Purely economical- with the salary cap situation in San Jose, payroll needs to be shed. A three million dollar per year contract on the third line severely limits the amount of improvements Wilson will be able to make via trades.
Replacement: Jamie McGinn.
Plank's Verdict: Yes. Barring a major shakeup involving Marleau and Michalek, Cheechoo should be on the way out.
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Synopsis: Reinvigorated after a dismal 07-08 season due to complications with then head coach Ron Wilson and constant trade rumors, Marleau posted a gaudy 38 goals to lead the team in 08-09. Marleau led all forwards in shorthanded time last season, as well as playing on the wing with Joe Thornton and Devin Setoguchi.
Contract: $6.3 M cap hit for one more season, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: First line winger, penalty kill, power play.
Reasons For Moving: Criticisms of his lack of vocal leadership intensified after yet another San Jose playoff failure in 2009, and Marleau has become the face of a franchise struggling to get over the playoff hump. It is likely Marleau would get a decent return, and moving him before the deadline next season would ensure Wilson does not lose him for nothing in next year's free agent market.
Replacement: Would have to come outside of the organization via trade. Michalek could be bumped up to the first line, but it still would leave a hole on the second line.
Plank's Verdict: No. Patrick Marleau is the definition of a premier two-way player, and moving him would open up a hole on the first line and penalty kill. It is likely a trade involving Marleau would not yield a comparable return. Also, and this is pure speculation on my part, Patty may take a hometown discount in future contract negotiations due to his desire to stay in San Jose.
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Synopsis: Milan Michalek put up good offensive numbers on San Jose's second line, and developed into a solid defensive player to boot. Michalek was able to stretch the defense on an otherwise pedestrian skating second line. The playoffs were disappointing however, as Michalek only notched one goal in six games against Anaheim (the entire line's output was 2 G, 2 A, and a -10).
Contract: $4.3 M for the next five seasons, UFA afterwards. Although his contract is steeper than some would like, it is comparable to a number of 25 goal left wingers- Ryan Malone (4.5), Ryan Smyth (6.25), Jason Blake (4.0), and Ray Whitney (3.55).
Role Next Season: Top six winger, penalty kill, power play.
Reasons For Moving: As is the company line this offseason, salary complications fuel the rumors surrounding Michalek. He has the potential to garner a very high return and while a $4.3 M contract may be close to market value, keeping him on the books has the potential to limit next offseason's ability to re-sign Setoguchi, Pavelski, Marleau, and Nabokov.
Replacement: Would likely have to come outside of organization via trade.
Plank's Verdict: No. Although the description of Michalek is usually, "what he could do" compared to "what he has done", Michalek is still in some pretty good company with players his age post-lockout. The fact that he's only 24 has me salivating for a season where he truly breaks out.
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Synopsis: Nicknamed "Error-hoff" for his defensive breakdowns and frustrating hockey sense, Ehrhoff is nonetheless a dynamic offensive presence on the San Jose's blueline. Possessing a skating prowess that can surpass even Dan Boyle at times, Ehrhoff also has a nasty slap shot that is effective when he is able to get it on net.
Contract: $3.1 M cap hit for the next two seasons, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: Power play, bottom pairing defenseman.
Reasons For Moving: Looking at the backend, Ehrhoff's ability as a puck moving defenseman has been replaced by Kent Huskins, making Ehrhoff expendable. The blueline currently is in a bit of a logjam in terms of salary- moving Vlasic would be asinine, and Murray (who we will touch upon later) would leave San Jose with a D corps lacking a physical presence. Puck moving defenseman are all the rage around the NHL currently, and the return via trade would likely be noteworthy. He's very affordable for the services he brings to the table.
Replacement: Kent Huskins.
Plank's Verdict: Yes. McLellan's system is fueled by shots from the point, and while Ehrhoff brings a lot to the table in this regard, moving Vlasic or Murray would open up a hole on the defensive end of the ice.
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Synopsis: Heralded at the beginning of the year for his excellent play with Dan Boyle, Lukowich's play towards the end of the year went south. Bad reads were commonplace, and his skating ability made it difficult to amend those mistakes.
Contract: $1.56 M cap hit for one more season, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: Paired with either Boyle or a healthy scratch.
Reasons For Moving: As with Ehrhoff, the reasons for moving Luko can be attributed to both his play and logjam on the backend. With Kent Huskins re-signing, having a $1.5 M healthy scratch on the blueline restricts a lot of improvements Wilson would be able to make.
Replacement: Mike Moore, Derek Joslin, Free Agency, or trade. Luko's replacement would likely be scratched most nights, which makes it likely Moore and Joslin would not be the solutions.
Plank's Verdict: Yes. On a team struggling to find cap room, tying up $1.56 M in Lukowich makes no sense.
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Synopsis: Known for his big hits and rugged defensive play, Murray provided much of San Jose's physical output during 2008-2009. Positionally sound for the majority of his ice time, Murray is the definition of a stay at home defenseman. However, he has been known to jump up into the play for a big hit at times, which caused issues due to his middling skating ability. During the playoffs, he was the best defenseman on the ice not named Dan Boyle.
Contract: $2.5 M cap hit for the next four seasons, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: Penalty kill, bottom pairing defenseman.
Reasons For Moving: Economical, and possibly to "sweeten the pot" for a team that is close to making a deal. The return for Murray alone would be minimal.
Replacement: Would have to be a physical presence on the backend. Most likely via trade.
Plank's Verdict: No. Murray provides a needed physical presence on the team, and without him Rob Blake would be the only blueliner on the current roster who would fill that role.
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Synopsis: Evgeni Nabokov had a respectable year in net for San Jose, backstopping the team to a Presidents' Trophy. The playoffs were a whole different matter however, as Nabokov posted a .890 SV% in a first round loss.
Contract: $5.375 M cap hit for one more season, UFA afterwards.
Role Next Season: Starting goaltender.
Reasons For Moving: Drawing a comparison between Nabokov and Kiprusoff is logical considering they played in San Jose under the late Warren Strelow, and man the pipes with the same mentality. Both netminders challenge shooters aggressively in front of their crease and rely heavily on their reflexes to keep pucks out of the net. As Kipper has shown over the last three seasons, an increasing age is detrimental to this style of play. Nabokov's problems with the five hole are most likely due to this.
Therefore, flipping Nabokov now would allow Doug Wilson to get something in return- it's uncertain whether or not he will be re-signed next offseason. His value in the market would be high considering he is in a contract year and finished top five in Vezina voting the last two seasons.
Replacement: Thomas Griess, which as we have noted before, is not an enticing possibility. If Nabokov is moved, Wilson should look to either free agency or trades to get a proven number one. Manny Fernandez would be a good choice, as long as the contract is in the $3.5 M/2 year range.
Plank's Verdict: No. Lots to consider, but at the end of the day a contract year, NTC, and lack of a proven NHL 60 game starter in the system make it too big of a risk to take.
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Special thanks to LeVar Burton for helping out those who have trouble reading
Who's Out: Jonathan Cheechoo, Christian Ehrhoff, and Brad Lukowich
Salary Cap Space: $9.315 M
What San Jose Needs: Six forwards, two defenseman, one goaltender
Using the same thought process as before, Jamie McGinn and Thomas Greiss are called up. McGinn's cap hit sits at $.997 M, and Greiss' will be estimated to be $.800 M. Those transactions result in a team needing five forwards and two defenseman with $7.83 M in cap space remaining.
Scott Nichol (who is rumored to be on his way) and Torrey Mitchell are then brought on. With both players, injury history will be a factor in contract negotiations. Therefore, I am assuming Nichol will make the same as last season ($.750 M) and Torrey Mitchell will sign a one-year contract for roughly $.850 M*.
*Pure speculation, but I'm guessing that Torrey Mitchell goes the route of Ryane Clowe last offseason and inks a deal sometime in August. Also, and I mentioned this in Teas Fanpost, I'm a little concerned with the size down the middle on our bottom lines. There's only so much room for "motor" on checking lines, and convincing me that opposing defenseman will fear the forecheck with a 5'11 Mitchell and a 5'8 Nichol is a wild gambit at best. I'll be sure to have more at the culmination of DW's offseason, but if anyone thinks Ryan Vesce is going to be a good fit on the roster next season, get your mind straight. At least the lollipop guild they have in Montreal has some scoring touch- expecting Vesce to contribute in a checking line role with Nichol or Mitchell flat out makes me want to cry. I sincerely hope that's not in the master plan, because this blog would be shut down at high noon the next day. High fucking noon.
Anyways, Nichol and Mitchell puts us at $6.23 M with three forwards and two defenseman needing to be re-signed. The lineup currently looks like this:
Forwards
Marleau-Thornton-Setoguchi
Michalek-Pavelski-Clowe
McGinn-Mitchell-None
Shelley-Nichol-None
None
Defenseman
Boyle-Murray
Vlasic-Blake
None-Huskins
None
If I'm DW, I realize I need a defensive defenseman on the blueline. Here's what I had to say about Derek Joslin earlier this season:
Derek Joslin: Probably the most unmemorable of the four (which was a good thing), Joslin played well enough with the big club for me to be content with him sticking around. That being said, it's just not going to happen. He was sent down yesterday, and it seems as if his time in San Jose will most likely be done for the remainder of this year (barring an injury to one of our seven defensemen). Semenov has gotten the green light for the duration of this bad boy- God save us all*.
* Honestly though, Semmy has looked respectable lately. Big ups to the big man.
I liked what Derek brought to the table- he was physical in the corners, made smart and conservative passes on the breakout, was rarely out of position, and could skate decently well- a solid player for our bottom pairings in years to come, with the potential to get top-four minutes on a fairly deep blueline.
Hockey's Future has this to say:
Talent Analysis
A sound overall game; he plays in all situations and is very composed. Good offensive instincts. A great one-timer. Skating stride is a weakness
Future
He’s projected to be a middle pairing defender in the NHL.
Bringing up Joslin to play with Boyle is pretty risky considering both can be defined as guys who prefer the offensive side of the ice, and the fact that pairing is going to see 17+ minutes a night at even strength. From what I saw he's not ready for the workload at this point in his career, and having him serve as a healthy scratch makes no sense from an organizational standpoint. However, let's float the idea around and say he is brought up. If that's the case, I bump Murray up with Boyle, leave Vlasic and Blake together, and hope Joslin works with Huskins.
Another interesting possibility would be Mike Moore. He's known for his physical play, and although he didn't see any game time in San Jose this season, Moore did get called up during the year. If he's the answer here, I'm still moving Murray up to play with Boyle and sheltering Moore on the bottom pairing with Huskins.
Outside of the organization, it's hard to predict. Ehrhoff or Cheechoo would likely be the only players who would be able to bring back a serviceable NHL defenseman. As for the healthy scratch department, I'm not sure you're going to be able to find someone better than Alexei Semenov on the open market at that price tag. Here's what was said about him earlier this offseason, and I'm still not convinced that letting him walk was the right choice. We'll see what happens.
In terms of forwards, there are two guys out on the open market who would be a perfect fit for San Jose- Taylor Pyatt and Ben Guite. We mentioned these guys before free agency began, and lo and behold they're still available. Both forwards had a heavy dose of shorthanded time for their respective clubs last season, which is what we're looking for in order to disperse some shorthanded time with Goc and Grier heading to greener pastures. Pyatt plays on the left wing however, and would probably command more than Travis Moen (who didn't even receive an offer from Wilson*). Therefore, I doubt he's in the cards.
*I understand that three years at $4.5 may be too many greenbacks for what Moen brought to the table, but obviously he had enough value for DW to ship off two prospects for him. Lowball and he walks? Fine. Not extending an offer is just plain weird, and frankly a little concerning.
In the organization, Logan Couture always gets a kick out of the crowd, but I don't think bringing him up this soon is a good route to take. For one, he didn't play in Worcester last season. The professional game is much more physical, and although his statistics with the Ottawa 67's are phenomenal, seasoning in the AHL would do him well. Secondly, by delaying the amount of time until he cracks the big club, you avoid having to dole out a big contract earlier (while at the same time allowing him to improve his skills). Bobby Ryan is a great example of the benefits of this- there's no need to rush a young player when the big club is a playoff caliber team without him.
Jeremy Roenick has yet to announce whether or not he will be returning, and the delay in his decision makes me wonder if Wilson is keeping him at arms length during the proceedings. If Roenick is brought back on for one more year, it would be close to the minimum with him serving as a healthy scratch most nights.
Brad Staubitz played with the big club last season and could be slated into a fourth line role. I have to tell ya though, throwing him on a line with Nichol seems like a goddamn shorthanded fest. He's a good energy guy and all that, but we don't need a fourth line heading to the box all night. My hope is that he gets spot duty in San Jose like last season, beats the shit out of Tootoo a couple times, and then replaces Shelley in a year.
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In terms of return, what I'm hoping DW can go out and get is the following: a) defensive defenseman b) forward who plays on the PK and c) draft picks and prospects. I'm trying to replenish the coffers after making multiple buy deals over the course of the last four seasons- the minor league system is thinning quicker than Lindsay Lohan. However, there are some issues with the game plan I've set up as we move forward.
Next offseason is going to be a doozy in terms of free agency- Rob Blake, Devin Setoguchi, Joe Pavelski, Patrick Marleau, and Evgeni Nabokov will be free agents. Coupled with the fact that the salary cap is rumored to be coming down, it poses some tough questions as to who will be retained.
Hypothetically, I assume Blake is retiring. Nabokov will likely be looking for a contract extension in the multi-year range at roughly the same clip he earned this season. Unless we win the Cup next year with him between the pipes, he is not in my plans going forward. Essentially I am taking one last shot with Nabby, letting him walk for nothing, and trusting that the vaunted goaltender pipeline San Jose has in place is able to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk.
I'm comfortable with doing this due to the fact that the team is still a Cup contender- despite the salary cap troubles, I've kept the core together which won a Presidents' Trophy. I may be making it harder to rebuild eventually by doing this, but it's a risk I'm willing to take considering the talent level at the top of the current roster. If this doesn't pan out by the time the deadline comes around, I consider moving some major pieces then.
Leave your thoughts or alternate game plans in the comments.
Go Sharks.
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Fun fact- the time it takes to read the player profiles (i.e. until the end of Nabokov) is roughly five minutes.
Which, of course, is the length of “I’ll Be Alright Without You.”
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy, I bet DW is feeling the heat
He’s trapped. He has “Steel Bars wrapped all around him”
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
by Morti on Jul 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DW’s been a prisoner since the day he signed them.
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really feel like DW knows what he's doing...
I feel like we’re in the quiet before the storm. Thats just how I feel. His job rests on how the team does, and he’s going to do whats best for the team. I’m more than willing to give him more time considering his past signings…
by Tim Weiss on Jul 12, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, we were just quoting the Michael Bolton song “Steel Bars”. I’m comfortable with him waiting too.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this here article
seems to hint that marleau and nabby might be stayin http://sharks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=436798
by a10dency2ask on Jul 12, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that was a given though...
Who the hell would replace nabby???
And Marleau just had a great season…
by Tim Weiss on Jul 12, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic....
is anyone else annoyed by people (out of state) not knowing where San Jose is if you say that’s where you’re from?
by a10dency2ask on Jul 12, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why would that be annoying? just say it’s south of SF… they’ll get it then (not that I’m from SJ, but still)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Jul 12, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
annoying becuase it's a big enough city that people should have heard of it
by a10dency2ask on Jul 12, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to other cities, San Jose hasn’t been a major city for very long. It only became a major city around the 80s and 90s thanks to the tech boom.
My bigger annoyance is with hockey fans (mostly Canadian ones, but a lot of cold-weather Americans tend to do this as well) who call us a Southern California city. The major geographical fail there really boils my blood.
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by Nael M. on Jul 12, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the so-cal thing bothers me too
the thing is San Jose has been a major city for basically all of my lifetime and the lifetime of most of the people I would be talking to. It’s just strange to me!
by a10dency2ask on Jul 12, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other problem
is that all the "san"s and "santa"s blur together for people from other places
by a10dency2ask on Jul 12, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I ever tell you about the time I called someone looking for addresses and couldn’t figure out how to spell “Santa Masaquino”?
Jon Casey fan since '84
by stufflife on Jul 12, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m from Minnesota and people consider that to be “East Coast”
Jon Casey fan since '84
by stufflife on Jul 12, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A thought
Considering Luko is usually paired up with Boyle on most nights, wouldn’t moving him affect Boyle from a morale/chemistry standpoint?
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by Nael M. on Jul 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing.
However, Huskins or Murray could fit in that role, as they are both sound defensively and can give Boyle the freedom he needs.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely could be the case initially, but I’m assuming Boyle is a professional and would take it in stride.
Maybe you see Murray and Boyle struggle a bit for the first ten games, but I think it’s a pairing pretty comparable to Boyle/Luko and Murray/Ehrhoff- stay at home defenseman paired with a guy who has the skillset to take risks in the offensive zone. The plus side to this pairing is that Murray is able to clear out the front of the net and tie up forwards along the boards. Luko/Boyle had some issues with that this season.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Very good stuff, Plank
How long have you been working on this? This is how you blog about your favorite team.
I have to say, I agree with most of what you say. Ehrhoff is a big chip that can net back a good draft pick and a good 3rd liner. Cheechoo I think can get a late pick and a 4th liner. With the options left out there, ride or die with Nabby, and trading Patty should be a hell no.
Two questions I have: Even if the Sharks win it all next year, should they still let Nabby walk? He is going to want a raise, and if you really have faith in the system, Griess should be ready. That would make it much easier to keep Patty, Pavs, and Seto even with the drop in the cap. Downgrade? Probably. Necessary? I think so.
Second, are we overvaluing size at the forward position? At least at forward, I would have no problem sending Mitchell, McGinn, and Ryan Vesce on a line out there to create havoc. Are they going to be able to grind? No, but shoot, grinding didn’t help Michalek and Clowe against Anaheim. Our best chances were off Mitchell applying a great forecheck, all 5’11 of him. I wonder if “grinding” has become overglamorized in hockey to the point that it is an overrated skill, and simply being able to put the puck in the net is being analyzed too minutely.
by ruben398 on Jul 12, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Sharks win it all next year, should they still let Nabby walk? He is going to want a raise, and if you really have faith in the system, Griess should be ready. That would make it much easier to keep Patty, Pavs, and Seto even with the drop in the cap. Downgrade? Probably. Necessary? I think so.
Ya know, I went back and forth on that for about five minutes when I was writing the piece. Eventually I decided to introduce a “Cup caveat” just in case Nabokov carries the team on his back during the postseason, but I think our reasoning is essentially the same- Nabby has a deteriorating skill set, the goaltending pipeline needs to be given a chance to prove itself at some point, and Patty/Pavs/Seto should be a higher priority for the organization.
Second, are we overvaluing size at the forward position? At least at forward, I would have no problem sending Mitchell, McGinn, and Ryan Vesce on a line out there to create havoc. Are they going to be able to grind? No, but shoot, grinding didn’t help Michalek and Clowe against Anaheim. Our best chances were off Mitchell applying a great forecheck, all 5’11 of him. I wonder if "grinding" has become overglamorized in hockey to the point that it is an overrated skill, and simply being able to put the puck in the net is being analyzed too minutely.
My main problem with sending out a line like that (as well as the size issue) would be Vesce’s ability to put the puck in the net. I believe he was in the top 20 point leaders with Worcester last season, but from what I saw during his time with the big club, expecting that to translate to the NHL level is unlikely. A big defensive team like Calgary would knock him around, he doesn’t have good enough hands to create shots from the circles, and he doesn’t have the skating ability to blow by people.
If McLellan expects to fuel his offense with shots from the point again this season, that third line would be a wasteland. There’s no one who is going to be able to set up shop in front of the net. I don’t think it’s an issue of overvaluing grinding, more of taking into account size. Nichol and Mitchell already make us pretty small on the checking lines- can we can afford to bring in another “energy” guy that isn’t a true offensive threat at the expense of a bigger more physical player who will probably give the team a better opportunity to score some dirty goals?
What I’m looking for is a third and fourth line who are going to wear down defenses along the boards, raise some hell in front of the net, and cash in on a few rebounds. Vesce doesn’t seem like the answer there to me.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, all around
Just like Huskins, I think Greiss is going to surprise people. He isn’t the same player as he was a couple years ago. I hope he gets 25-30 starts this season.
If the problem with Vesce is that he just can’t put the puck in the net, then I totally agree with needing somebody else (that’s why I was always on Goc). If he could put the puck in the net like McGinn or Mitchell, then I would have no problem sending those three out on a line together. Honestly, I’m tired of the Mike Greir’s and Travis Moen’s mucking it up in the corners for 30 seconds. Let’s tire out the other team by having them try to keep up with the speed of a line like that! A line like that is a hooking penalty waiting to happen.
by ruben398 on Jul 12, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis, Plank
I didn’t realize that Ehrhoff was a minus last season, let alone -12. I agree that as long as we get a decent return for him and Luko, we can bring up Joslin and I’d be happy with the D. Cheechoo can bring back just a pick and I’d be okay. I’ll miss the hell out of him (Did I mention the time I ran into him at Original Pancake House?), but since we can’t renegotiate his contract, he has to be moved.
Michalek has had his head on the block for the last month or so (at least on this site), so I’m glad to see you didn’t fall for it. I wanna see him stay put and really anchor the second line (well, with JoePa).
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by stufflife on Jul 12, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots and lots of thoughts
…convincing me that opposing defenseman will fear the forecheck with a 5’11 Mitchell and a 5’8 Nichol is a wild gambit at best
I have a feeling Kurtis Foster might be afraid of Mitchell’s forecheck… :P
But anyways, besides that little nit-pick, I pretty much agree with what you’re saying. Its pretty much a forgone conclusion that Cheechoo is all but gone, and that there is no way for the Sharks to get an equal return for Marleau. I mean, if Marleau somehow became a UFA and Glen Sather signed him, he’d easily be getting $8M a year. I’m not saying that’s the right value for him, because its not, but he is someone that most teams would love having. Oh, and best part? I could see him taking a hometown discount in the $5M range if it means keeping the team together. I’d much rather have a 70+ point elite two-way forward (and playoff performer) signed for upwards of $5M than two 35 point players signed for around $2.5M each.
I disagree a bit about Michalek, because his contract is tied for longest on the team, and I’m not quite sure if he’s living up to the pay he’s getting. I mean, I love his potential and his speed – watching that SHG against Pittsburgh with him speeding through the Pens zone with Pavelski on his tail to knock in the rebound, or the breakaway against Detroit, or the on-the-knees against Dallas always makes me happy – but he’s just not there yet. I dunno, maybe because I don’t think he’s as completely vital to the team’s future as the other guys or what, but he’s just not as keepable to me, you know?
And after reading your analysis of Ehrhoff and Murray, I’m definitely starting to come back from the “trade Murray, keep Ehrhoff” point of view. Murray’s contract is much too much for his type of defenseman, so he’ll likely not get an equal value back, especially when trading with a team closer to the cap. Ehrhoff, on the other hand, has a fairly good contract and is the offensive d-man that a lot of teams are looking for. He will garner a good return. However, the fact that the PP was much more effective with Ehrhoff than without does stand out, and he’s not a guy that can easily be replaced from the system (especially with Blake likely retiring after next season). Large, physical defenseman are already in the system in Moore and Petrecki, although I’m very hesitant about rushing their development. Hell, I’d much rather over-develop a prospect than rush them to the NHL. Like Couture. Unless he shows in training camp that he can easily keep up with the NHL, send him down to the AHL for another year (barring he pulls a Pavelski and posts 26 points in 16 games, of course).
So, for that last rambling paragraph? I don’t know what to do. The salary cap sucks.
Moving on, Lukowich made me a fan of his with his screamo version of Jingle Bells. That said, after his knee (?) injury, his play tailed off quite a bit. As in, he became the worst defenseman on the team, including Semenov. Not including Staubitz, if you’re like the guy that analyzed the Sharks’ D and think Staubitz is a defenseman.
As for Nabby? Well, we should keep him as most (if not all) teams’ goaltending is set for the season, and there’d be no place to trade him to (unless we get a goalie in return). Extending him depends on his play next year, and even after that he’d have to take a salary cut because of the raises Pavs and Seto are due and the declining cap. It probably also depends on the play of Greiss in the backup role and the play of Stalock and Sexsmith in the AHL (or juniors, if Sexsmith does his overager). Oh, and a tandem of Stalock and Sexsmith is like, my dream. Make it happen in 2-3 years, DW!
Oh, and I am so tempted to say something snarky about your line about McLellan’s system and Ehrhoff shooting from the point, but I won’t.
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by mymclife on Jul 13, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling Kurtis Foster might be afraid of Mitchell’s forecheck… :P
Now you’re just cherry picking :) I don’t have a problem with Mitchell down the middle, but when you factor in Nichol it concerns me a bit. Not a big fan of that signing, but I digress.
re: Michalek. Like I said, he’s a guy who I would describe as, “what he could do” compared to “what he has done.” He’s a little overpaid, but it’s not too far off market value, and he’s only 24 years old. I’m going to add this into the piece above, but Michalek is in some pretty good company with players in his age group post-lockout.*
*Side Note: Use that sparingly- you’ll waste entire days with it. Days.
When I was looking at moving him though (he’s fourth on my trade bait master list), I couldn’t seem to rationalize a situation where we would receive a top six winger of equal value in return. Maybe you package Ehrhoff and him for a top six guy, but at the point the opposing GM is going to want to shed some salary as well- you’re probably not making up too much ground in space, the team isn’t getting extraordinarily better, and you’re losing two young guys that still have room to develop, instead of just one. Maybe I’m underestimating DW’s ability to fleece a GM, but the cap has us painted into a corner- I don’t think he’s going to be able to pull off much more than serviceable lower tier players and picks/prospects in the coming months.
Ehrhoff- it’s going to suck to lose him, but he’s the unfortunate victim here. For as much crap we give him, the dude is a helluva offensive defenseman and will flourish wherever he goes. That alone makes me excited for the return via trade- he’s definitely the most marketable piece on the blueline (besides Boyle & Vlasic, who obviously won’t be moved). With Huskins signing I don’t think you can afford to give up a defensive defenseman.
The salary cap sucks.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 13, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True; I have to agree about not getting a top 6 forward for Michalek (I kind of penciled in McGinn in that spot, but he’s definitely not on the same level), and he is still young. I’m still not totally adverse to trading him if it gets some really good, clutch, cheap third liners in return (as well as some picks and/or prospects), but he definitely shouldn’t be traded unless getting an equal or overpayment.
And yeah, Ehrhoff probably has the highest value of any pieces we might want to trade (I’m sure Setoguchi or even Pavelski will get even more, but if DW trades them he’ll be a marked man) – his speed and tendency to forget he’s not a forward would definitely help teams that want to activate more from the blueline, and who want to be able to have their defense jump into the play. Just think – right now, we have THREE guys that do that with some regularity, while other teams have none. The Blake factor is just worrying me right now, you know?
Yes. The salary cup sucks.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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by mymclife on Jul 13, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys know me
i’ll defend keeping ehrhoff to the death, but everything i’ve been reading seems to indicate that Yawney doesn’t like the guy and that other teams are interested. So i still think it’s a mistake, but I think he’s prob gone
by a10dency2ask on Jul 13, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure the term... offensive defensive Forwards?
In the age-old method of “copy the champions”, there was something I kept noticing about the Penguins in the playoffs that the Sharks seemed to lack last year — the ability of a forward to set up defensively in their own zone, pounce on the passing lanes, steal the puck, and bring it out to the neutral zone with speed.
Not really the same as forechecking, since the other team is already set up in their offensive formation. Different from the steal deep in the zone by a defenseman followed by the breakout pass to a streaking forward. I recall many times during the playoffs that a Pens forward the stole the puck near the top of the circles and then broke out with it, and I said to myself “How come the Sharks never do that?” Arguably, the playoffs involve a whole different level of effort, but still.
Setoguchi and Mitchell have the potential to do this on a regular basis, and Mitchell’s absence last year probably explains much of my anguish. Marleau is good for this maybe a couple times a game. Clowe and Thornton on a good night. (Thornton is more likely to make the 50/50 pass up the middle in the general direction of his linemates.) As mentioned above, Murray may decide to try, but at his own peril. Grier will be doing it in another sweater. Is there anyone else in the system that has this two-way breakout ability?
by calixtus on Jul 13, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saw this post over at Two-line pass
Read down to the part about CBJ. Would you guys do Jason Chimera for Ehrhoff? It’s intriguing to me, to say the least.
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by stufflife on Jul 13, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Needs some picks thrown our way (Preferably a first, or 2 seconds) to make this feasible.
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by That'll Cheech You on Jul 13, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, okay, but do you like Chimera? How would he fit into the team? The article doesn’t mention anything about a counteroffer or some such. I wouldn’t do it straight up, either.
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by stufflife on Jul 13, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Chimera, but I’d prefer to get some more scoring pop. He’s a little old (30), but is signed for three years at a reasonable price.
I really like his speed, and his forechecking ability. In addition, his 6-2, 215 frame would be welcome in our current Lollipop League lineup.
I’d do the trade if we got some picks back.
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by That'll Cheech You on Jul 13, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at his numbers, he would provide some pop on a third line. I can see a Chimera-Mitchell-McGinn line giving us some points.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 13, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he could be a force on the third line for us, but giving up such a valuable piece for him, even if picks were included, is just not a good way to pick your trades. If it’s up to me in any way, I’d give up Lukowich for Chimera in a second, though.
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by stufflife on Jul 13, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Eklund Rumor for you...
Cheechoo will be switching coasts, heading to the New York Islanders.
But, it’s Eklund, so take it with a grain of salt.
CHEECHEW 4 TAVAREZ FTW!!!
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by That'll Cheech You on Jul 13, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Synopsis
Good work Mr. Plank, well thought out and on the money..Boy do I wish we could find someone to take Nabby, his contract and five hole..Murray we definitely need to keep..He and Boyle were the only ones to show up against Anaheim(Patty gets a pass due to injury)..He gives us the toughness on the blue line we have to have..Cheech nobody is going to take, unless we pay part of his salary..
Maybe I am off base here, but I think Wilson is finding that other teams just aren’t interested in our players for market value..Marleau is really the only marketable player in this bunch..
It kind of makes you wonder a little how could they have been so great for those first 47 games last year, then injuries, got healthy, but once again got some bad karma with Anaheim and a hot goalie..
by The Sear on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think you're somewhat offbase
plenty of teams have assetts who have never done anything in the playoffs, and all those players still get sold. I think it is far too cynical to think that a few years of playoff disappointment means our players are worthless
by a10dency2ask on Jul 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheechoo
is not a worthless player. He may only be a third line player on the Sharks, or even a few other teams, but his veteran presence and scoring ability, while deteriorated, have value on teams lacking depth (of which there are plenty). As for $3M a year, it’s too much to pay for a third line guy on a team without cap space (hmm, can you think of any?), but he’s capable of putting up better numbers if he’s given more of a scoring role. That wasn’t his job last year.
I think it must be really hard to see individualized roles for the players through your cynic-colored glasses. With or without a cap, no one is going to be able to afford an all-star team on their roster. It’s fair competition, and every piece we don’t need is going to work for someone else, and vice versa.
Jon Casey fan since '84
by stufflife on Jul 13, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong Impression
I didn’t say these players were worthless, what I did say was DW isn’t getting offered market value for his players..DW made such a big point out of talking about major changes on this roster after the playoff fiasco, but the Sharks have done less than any team in the league, so far..That would lend me to think that the offers he is looking at, if there are any, don’t provide value to the team..
by The Sear on Jul 13, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i tend to think DW
didn’t really mean what people think he meant with his big stink. He is still likely to move 2 or more mid-level contracts, but he always waits a long time to do anything, so I still think it’s cynical to assume the reason we haven’t seen changes is the deteriorating market value. Brian Campbell got a huge contract last season, despite doing little to deserve it. Who knows what’s goin on
by a10dency2ask on Jul 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I crazy or....
Would Scottie Upshall be a good addition to this team? He’s tough and puts up better numbers than Chimera and was cheaper than him last year, or would he not fit in very well?
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except I heard Upshall is looking for a huge pay raise (he’s currently an RFA), and he’s already at $1.25M. While I’m not sure if Phoenix with re-sign him, the Sharks would have to give up some picks if they just sign him outright (which they cannot afford to do), or they would have to trade a prospect or a roster player for his rights and hope he signs. While he’s a good player and likely would do well on the third line, I’m not sure it’d be our best interest to sign him/trade for his rights.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Jul 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, did not realize he was an RFA.
I thought he was unrestricted, shoot. Chimera still looks good.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 13, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good piece Plank. I definitely find it difficult for the Sharks to trade away Nabby for a goalie similar in stature. Only way would be through free agency. It would definitely be awkward for me to see Marleau and Nabby in anything but a Sharks uniform. I still have faith in them both.
by shark94112 on Jul 14, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t the nichol thing supposed to happen today?
by a10dency2ask on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, wanna get pissed off?
Read this pile of crap.
Or, if you’d rather not, the entire article’s premise is about, and I quote, “How the Boyle and Blake acquisitions wrecked the Sharks.” I’m not sure if anything else really needs to be said.
Posted because there’s nothing else to do.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Jul 14, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that earlier.
That was quite possibly the hardest I had laughed in a long time.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 14, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to click on it,
but then I saw the URL. I tend to avoid that place like the plague.
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by Lurker Shark on Jul 15, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the article
This article makes a lot of sense being that currently i believe we have less than $1 million for cap room for next year. I was a cheechoo fan but, it’s become evident that he’s got to go. First of all, he’s not helping us by not being on the ice. Second of all, he had that one good season, got paid, and hasn’t played like that Jonathan Cheechoo ever since. Doug will handle things, I’m sure, because he has done so well with things like this in the past. Here’s to adding the final piece to the puzzle and bringing the Cup to SJ!!
by StevieV17 on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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