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Who is the Bay Area's Best GM?

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As the NHL off-season progresses, fans begin to look at the caliber of their team's GM.

However, GM's from other Bay Area teams are also on the hot-seat. The MLB Trading deadline is today at 1:00 PM (PST); Brian Sabean (Giants) and Billy Beane (A's) have already made moves to change the look of their clubs. Sabean chose the present over the future, trading promising minor league pitchers Scott Barnes and Tim Alderson for Ryan Garko and Freddy Sanchez. Beane, on the other hand, traded star slugger Matt Holliday to the Cardinals for future star 3B Brett Wallace.

In addition, the NBA off-seasonis progressing in-line with the NHL's, and new Warriors GM Larry Riley has been more than active. After drafting Stephen Curry with the 7th pick in the draft, Riley (operating with the help [if that's what you call puppeteering] of head coach Don Nelson) traded away Jamal Crawford and and Marco Belinelli (NOOOO!).

Lastly, as NFL training camp begins, both Bay Area football GM's are in a rush to sign players. 49er GM Scot McCloughan is yet to sign1st round selection Michael Crabtree. Raider GM, owner, and zombie overlord Al Davis recently signed 1st round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey. Other off-season moves were made, and will be evaluated as the season progresses.

So, my question to you is this... who is the Bay Area's best GM?

Apologies to all the soccer, lacrosse, and indoor football fans out there. Only major sports for this one. In addition, we all know the best GM in the Bay Area is "Moore Buick Pontiac GMC and Truck", so don't go there.

Poll
Who is the Bay Area's best GM?
Billy Beane
97 votes
Al Davis
11 votes
Scot McCloughan
13 votes
Larry Riley
7 votes
Brian Sabean
48 votes
Doug Wilson
294 votes

470 votes | Poll has closed

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I think I probably should expect a little sarchasm.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 31, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I can’t believe people voted for Brian Sabean The guy has made the playoffs three times in this decade.

Anyway, Doug Wilson is first and Billy Beane is next. After that, you can’t even say that Larry Riley really qualifies. It would have to be Brian Sabean with how poor the Raiders and 49ers have performed.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Riley doesnt qualify because he just started his job.

by 49er16 on Aug 5, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy was spotted the best player in the game and couldn’t make anything happen.

Tim is good enough for 2

by ktice on Aug 6, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love sharksbuzztap's tweet...

“Who is the smartest kid on the short bus? RT…”

Very true.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 31, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

BTW, San Jose Stealth got moved to Washington, so I think you’re off the hook for lacrosse. And arena football is still canceled, so I think that’s pretty safe not to include as well (although, Darren Arbet – the coach/GM of the Sabrecats – should probably win since he won three championships in 10 years).

But really, if you’re analyzing the four major sports, Doug Wilson has to win this by a good bit. He’s the only GM that has consistently won in his tenure, he hasn’t become a joke (coughAlDaviscough), and not only has constructed a team that makes the playoffs every year, but a team that can be considered one of the top teams in the league during his tenure. Oh, and he also pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in NHL history. That should probably count for something.

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by mymclife on Jul 31, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

On Lacrosse and AFL

Lacrosse was in San Jose last season, so I could see an argument for including them. The Sabercats were so strong for so long, I could see that too.

I also think it’s Doug Wilson, without a doubt. Billy Beane is overrated to the point of a movie being made about him, and the rest of the guys are pretty much clowns.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 31, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

I just checked out the other teams’ recent records, to see when each of their most recent playoff runs were. Ranked by how recently they made the post-season.

Sharks – this year. And every year since 2003.
Warriors – 07-08 saw them above .500, but not making the playoffs. 06-07 was the last time they were in the post-season.
A’s – 2006 was the last time they had a record above .500, and they also made the playoffs
Giants – had above a .500 in 2004, but didn’t make the playoffs. 2003 was the last time they did (this season may change that)
49ers – 2002 was the last time they had over .500, and made the playoffs.
Raiders – also 2002; ranked lower because despite being in the Super Bowl in 02, they have lost at least 11 out of the 16 games in every season since, which is kind of pathetic.

The Bay Area sports scene is pretty sad.

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by mymclife on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted Billy Beane...

by impulsiveness. There are so many haters ya know!

Rated-R up there got it right. Doug Wilson first. He probably has the best win pct. (but I’m to lazy to look it up). Next Billy Beane for his numerous ridiculous trades and winning several division titles. Next Brian Sabean (because both football GM’s are crazy and that basketball guy… he GM’s basketball). Sabean should be noted for trades like the A.J. Pierzynski one and signing Barry Zito (I didn’t really need to put that in but I wanted too).

by idunno723 on Jul 31, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it’s pretty clear by this point that Giants’ ownership had a hand in the Zito signing, so I don’t know how much you can really lay that one on Sabean. (That said, he’s definitely a middle-of-the road GM.)

You can tell this is a Sharks thread by the votes…I think everybody here’s dramatically underestimating Billy Beane. He does amazing things with a tiny budget, and for a team that frequently gets forgotten about on the national stage even when they’re winning.

by rocketdog on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

DW

even with our playoff failures, he’s put out a championship-caliber team for years now and he’s not afraid to make the big move (whether it’s a deadline trade for a player or trading up in the draft). This has been a tough off-season for him, but he’s treading waters not too many GMs trying to balance a shrinking economy but still spending to the cap limit.

I got a lot of respect for Billy Beane because the A’s owners have hand-cuffed that franchise financially forever. The moneyball theory may be taking some flack because the A’s haven’t been competitive recently, but if they had ANY financial backing then they could actually build a foundation instead of trading their best players every year.

Brian Sabean is more miss then hit – Giants are having a very good season, but that’s as much to do with our scouting then his signings or trading. He hasn’t been terrible, but I wouldn’t shed a tear if he wasn’t re-signed after the season.

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by Teas on Jul 31, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

easy

doug wilson is the best.

although the san jose sabercats…pretty damn dominant.

sabean…giving up alderson for sanchez, didn’t mind who we got, but i care about who we gave up.

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by serrapadre716 on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I would’ve liked to have received more for Alderson, but if we keep Sanchez beyond this season then I’m satisfied. With Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez already with the big club, Zito not going anywhere, Noah Lowry might be back next season, plus Madison Bumgarner we’re set for pitching now and in the long term future. People was crying for the big bat, but it would’ve taken a lot more then Alderson to get a Victor Martinez or Adrian Gonzalez – and with those kinda of players at the deadline you have to overpay a lot. We have a very good 2nd baseman now, if we can continue to bring in and hold onto good hitters who can bat around .300 and hit a lot of doubles, plus play good defense, then we’re building a legit contender for years, especially at AT&T.

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by Teas on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would’ve liked to have received more for Alderson

same
i heard somewhere(i forgot where) that the giants offered bowker, frandsen and guzman for sanchez. you think that would’ve been a better deal? i would’ve done that instead of the alderson trade.

with those kinda of players at the deadline you have to overpay a lot

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by serrapadre716 on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read a scouting report on Alderson though

that said that his fast ball is in the range of 88-91 this year where it was more like 92-94 in years past. Furthermore, his curve was one of his big pitches and that he hasn’t been throwing it with the same kind of ‘tightness’ this year. While he’s still a high level prospect, his value seems to have dropped a bit, especially being slotted behind Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, and Sanchez.

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by Teas on Jul 31, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and he also pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in NHL history. That should probably count for something.

If that’s all he ever did, he’d be nr 1

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by Dave Valentine on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Brian Sabean is an idiot

and I say that with all due respect. Many of his signings in past seasons have been eyebrow raisers, not in the good sense (Dave Roberts? Alex Sanchez? Barry Zito for how long?). He practically did no managing while Bonds was on the team, because I don’t think signing aging vets to make a futile run at a championship for a few consecutive seasons counts. I love the Giants, but wouldn’t be sad if they were Sabean-free. That being said, I like the Sanchez trade for now. Apparently Aldersen has been on a downward trend recently. As has been noted above, pitching is to the Giants what goaltending is to the Sharks. Losing one pitcher out of the system won’t kill us for the next couple years, but getting some legit hitters (both power and average) will make us better and give us more chances to contend.

by Chicago Shark on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Alright, who are the four that voted for Al Davis?

Can I ask what you’re taking and where I can get it for cheap?

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by Nael M. on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah I was wondering that myself … maybe they did it as a joke

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by ang6666 on Jul 31, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

DW

Hands down… The only one to have a over .500 record for his teams going to the playoffs while he has been GM.

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by SetoThorMarChooSki on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted Beane

Moneyball is an incredible book, which is a great read for any sport fan. He’s a brilliant mind who has had to deal with the constraints of a poor market/ cheap owners and a League w/ no Cap. The A’s have yet to win a Championship under Beane (in the book he says how the MLB playoffs are a crap shoot) and the team is now in a rebuilding phase, but overall I can look back on his tenure and not cringe in disgust at the moves he’s made. (Though I’ve been incredibly disappointed at times. Bring back Scutaro & Swisher!)

Bonus points for having Brad Pitt on board to play his part in the Moneyball movie (if it is ever resurrected from the Hollywood scripts graveyard)

DW is a very, very close second. Like, 1a and 1b.

I don’t know how Sabean’s getting so many votes. All the Giants fans I know think he’s a dolt.

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by SwisherThresher on Jul 31, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

We are of like minds on this

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by CTGray on Jul 31, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tough One

None of them are great..Wilson wins by default..Beane is so overrated its stupid, Sabean is nothing special, McCloughan is mediocre at best, do the Raiders have a GM? The Warriors have a puppet..

Nice choices, its no surprise that these teams aren’t very good other than the Sharks, only during the season..

This caused by horrible ownerships!!!

by The Sear on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Please

explain to me how Billy Beane is overrated and stupid.

by idunno723 on Jul 31, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lucky for me...

I have bookmarked this link because I knew someday that someone would try to say Beane is a bad GM. All you Beane haters please read that article.

by idunno723 on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mymclife

That is the understatement of the century..The bay area sports scene is a vast wasteland, due to horrible owners that are cheap and don’t have a clue about who to hire to run the
team. Its such a shame that we have some very wealthy people(Larry E) who desire a local team but these cheapskate owners(who can’t really afford to play with the big boys) just keep our teams in constant movement, with no clear plan or idea..Not one of these bay area owners is a billionaire and they can’t compete with the rich owners and instead of stepping aside because they can’t afford to play with the big boys, they just keep skimming along and losing..I must excuse Al Davis, he has spent tons of money on this team, twice as much as the 49ers, but not wisely, but he is the only owner, spending what is necessary..

by The Sear on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Beane Overrated

They write books, they make movies of a guy who teams have won nothing..Other GM’s with less money have won rings, or gone much farther in the playoffs, that is why he is overrated..These other GM’s, no one even knows their names..I didn’t say he was stupid, just that he was vastly overrated to the point of stupidity..People falling all over
themselves to sing his praises..I am also not saying he is
a bad GM either, just that he doesn’t deserve half the press
that he gets..How he became a media darling when his
teams have won nothing just surprises..He has done well
with the money he has been given, but so have others..

If you just look at what the GM’s have done with the money they have available, then Wilson and Beane would stand out..Not one of them has a ring and that is the scoreboard to me..

by The Sear on Aug 1, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Already forgot the reply button, have we?
Writing books about someone doesn’t necessarily mean it’s about how great a GM is and how he/she (I put she because I didn’t want to offend anyone) won championships.

The Sear, have you read Moneyball?

Moneyball is a story about Billy Beane on how he was a former first-round draft pick to a general manager. It explores undervalued statistics, such as on-base percentage (well undervalued at the time) and how the Oakland Athletics used stats like those to find undervalued players whom other teams overlook. The book is about how the Oakland Athletics were able to compete with teams like the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox despite the fact that those teams spent millions more money on payroll. No where in the book they talk about how Billy Beane is better than the rest of the GMs.

The description of Moneyball on Wikipedia is:

Its focus is the team’s modernized, analytical, sabermetric approach to assembling a competitive baseball team, despite Oakland’s disadvantaged revenue situation.

It doesn’t say that Billy Beane is the best GM or anything like that, it just means that you don’t have to have a high payroll to win.

.How he became a media darling when his
teams have won nothing just surprises..

He became a “media darling” because there is a book written with him in it. But most of the time the media talks about Moneyball they get it wrong. A lot of people (um, Joe Morgan?) assume the book is saying how Billy Beane is better than everyone else and his method is correct and all others are wrong.

With all that said, I think Billy Beane is a good GM just a little misunderstood.

by idunno723 on Aug 1, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this.

Moneyball could have just as easily been about the stock market. The whole thing is just about exploiting market inefficiencies. Finding undervalued assets and buying low while selling high. Just happened that the assets in question were ballplayers.

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by Lurker Shark on Aug 1, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would’ve said that but it contained too many big words such as “exploiting market inefficiencies”

by idunno723 on Aug 1, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 on the "good GM just a little misunderstood"

Only the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals and Angels have won more regular season games this decade. Not bad when all those teams are spending 2x-4x more on players.

Yes Beane and Wilson haven’t brought a championship yet, but I’d rather watch a team that has regular season success (sure with the A’s that was more of a 2000-04 thing) and trying to figure out how to succeed in the post-season, than be looking forward to the draft 3/4 of the way through the regular season.

by buddahead9 on Aug 7, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wilson.

We may not have the best postseason results, but he orchestrated two of the biggest steals in all of sports by acquiring Thornton for next to nothing, and same with Boyle.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 1, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

As a Giants fan, it isn’t Brian Sabean.

by 49er16 on Aug 5, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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