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If cap space can be found, is the price now right for Taylor Pyatt?

Now, I know the Sharks aren't really in the "sign UFA's now" mode. The cap situation is crappy and blah, blah, blah. 

However, there's one guy that I've been talking about for a while, and unlike my other suggestions (Joel Ward, Jaroslav Halak)... the Sharks could still pick him up without much trouble.

Make the jump for a look at current UFA Taylor Pyatt, and how he could help the Sharks in 2009-2010.

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Moves will be made that will help get San Jose's cap situation into focus. If you've missed us talking about this before, the Sharks are over the cap. Wow. Shocking, I know. I'm not going over it again. For the purposes of this article, though, let's assume the Sharks lineup currently looks like this:

Forwards

Marleau - Thornton - Setoguchi

Michalek - Pavelski - Clowe

McGinn - Mitchell - Cheechoo

Ortmeyer - Nichol - Shelley

x- Staubitz

Defense

Boyle - Huskins

Blake - Vlasic

Murray - Ehrhoff

x- Lukowich

Goalies

Nabokov

Greiss

Most of these players are already on the roster. Of the players listed above, only Staubitz and Mitchell are yet to be signed. Assuming they ink for their appropriate 10% raises, they will account for  $1.308MM against the cap. That puts the Sharks' aggregate cap hit at approximately $59.7MM, or about $2.19MM over the cap. 

So, as we've said before, Cheechoo is probably on his way out. The $3MM savings would give the Sharks around $800K to sign or bring up a player from the minors. Frazer McLaren's name has been tossed around, mostly because he's cheap. Even a player such as Logan Couture ($1.24MM cap hit) would be too expensive to fall into the roster.

That is, unless you do a little finagling. If Lukowich (bless his heart) was moved (either to Worcester, like McLaren, or another team) and replaced with Nick Petrecki (in addition to moving Cheechoo), you'd have $1.6MM with which to sign a player to fill the void at forward. If you went with Derek Joslin instead of Petrecki as the 7th defenseman, that's $1.9MM in cap space. Space which could be used to extend an offer to Taylor Pyatt.

Taylor Pyatt is an interesting player. The 27 year old UFA has played seven years in the NHL; after playing four combined seasons in Long Island and Buffalo, he's played the last three with Vancouver. Coming into the offseason, James Mirtle ranked Pyatt 43rd amongst available UFA's. 

From a pure offensive perspective, Pyatt doesn't have the capability to put up the points that Cheechoo can. Cheechoo could definitely score more goals on a line with Joe Thornton than Taylor Pyatt ever could. Problem is, even with Pollak's line combo announcement, Cheechoo probably won't be getting many first line minutes. Even, still, Cheechoo has been a big "if" the last two seasons. As you know, the "if" has turned into... well... nothing. Because of this, he'll likely be plopped right back into third line duty. In that type of role, who would you rather have... Pyatt or Cheechoo? 

Pyatt is a bigger body (a 6'4" 230 lb monster). Pyatt is a better skater. Pyatt is a better defensive player. Although Cheechoo was once great, he's not the player he was, and we all know that. Maybe he could recapture some of his former glory on the first line, but that's unlikely. At this point, the Sharks are just trying to fit Cheechoo's $3MM cap hit somewhere into the lineup. On the third line, Cheechoo is a liability. Pyatt is a much more reasonable option.

Fans can expect anywhere from 25-35 points from Pyatt on the third line. Since Cheechoo scored only 29, that's not much of a downgrade. However, it's when you look at Pyatt's defensive prowess that you see how much of an upgrade he really is.

It's glaringly apparent that the team lacks defensive players when you can honestly say that losing Grier, Moen, and Goc hurts the team. We won't miss Grier's empty net adventures, Goc's underachieving, or Moen's disappearing act, but their time spent on the PK won't be easy to replace. Granted, Nichol was brought in to help on the PK, but as I said in previous threads, he was one of the worst PK players in the NHL last year when it came to GAON-GAOFF. Even if you keep Nichol on the PK, that leaves the team with only five dependable penalty killers: Marleau, Pavelski, Michalek, Mitchell, and Nichol. Assuming Marleau stays with the team, it would probably be best to limit his kill minutes next year in order to keep him fresh over the course of the season and into the playoffs. That's where Pyatt comes in.

In terms of GAON-GAOFF, Pyatt's -2.88 is best among the UFA forwards crop. Not only that, but Pyatt was able to do this while playing 2.25 minutes per game on the penalty kill... an impressive total. In signing Pyatt, the Sharks would receive a top pairing PK forward who could help lessen Marleau's time on the kill while playing solid minutes. Me likey.

All in all, I don't see how Pyatt isn't an upgrade over Cheechoo. The question remains though, how much will he cost? Although I had him around $2MM to start the offseason, his value has dropped considerably as the offseason progressed. Many teams have already completed filling out their roster, and Pyatt either smells bad or slept with someone's sister, because he's still unsigned. Don't read into that too much though... other UFA's are also feeling the effects of the economic downturn. 

So what is Pyatt worth? At this point, I'd assume he'd be happy to receive an offer with a team that's competing for the Stanley Cup, even if he's not getting the raise he probably thinks he deserves. If the Sharks can drum up the cap room in the way I suggested above, the $1.6MM-$1.9MM should be plenty to lure Taylor Pyatt to San Jose. And for the poster who said I was "irresponsible" with the cap, the Pyatt offer would be for 1 year, and wouldn't affect the team come 2010.

I'm all for the move, and it's one that makes the Sharks better without the drastic (losing Marleau) roster changes that many have feared could happen. It helps solve almost of the issues that we wanted addressed this offseason; it brings in a lower line player who's under 30 with some grit and scoring pop. He can also play the PK, and he's defensively responsible. Bada bing, bada boom.  

I'll be dreaming of a Taylor Pyatt - Torrey Mitchell - Jamie McGinn forechecking line of doom tonight.

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Boom. Now you have a guy on the third line who is going to get in front of the net and create some traffic. I assume McLellan is going to continue to fuel the offense with shots from the point considering the blueline is still intact (as of now), and my previous worries about the lack of size on the checking lines gets some major help here.

Been with you on this since day one. Hopefully it turns out better than Joel Ward yeah?

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by Mr. Plank on Aug 18, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think petrecki is nhlready

by a10dency2ask on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps...

But there are others in the system. Moore played a few games with us last year, for example. Point is though, the 7th defenseman likely would remain scratched anyways, or simply be unneccessary until injury struck.

And Petrecki may not be ready, but bringing him into the NHL now (straight outta NCAA) would be similar to what was done with Carle a few years back.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not that i’d support that. If we go thus route, it would probaby have to be Joslin.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

And something I haven’t even thought about… Staubitz is kind of like the reverse Semenov: he’s a forward who can play D in a pinch. (albeit, probably with more success, since he’s a converted defenseman)

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Talking to myself.

At 12:43 AM.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moore didn’t play any games with the Sharks – he was brought up for one game just in case and sat out as a healthy scratch. But still, I remember him getting a Gordie Howe hat trick in a pre-season game. That’s pretty cool for a defenseman.

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by mymclife on Aug 18, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s right.

If you couldn’t tell, I was mobile posting from my phone at 12:43 AM. Tells you where my head was at.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

"..." - unknown
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by SetoThorMarChooSki on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this idea.

And you missed something in your analysis:

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by Lurker Shark on Aug 18, 2009 6:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Getting the whole $3M in savings might be optimistic

I agree that the Sharks should continue to look to add to their roster, especially the 3rd line, despite their cap situation. For example, I really like the idea of getting Malhotra to center the 3rd line with Mitchell and McGinn as the wings. His size and skating could be a nice match-up with Getzlaf, for example.

However, I think the bigger problem is moving Cheechoo. First, it’s probably optimistic to assume that we’ll just net the $3M in savings whole. Unless we’re parking Cheechoo in the minors, a la Kyle McLaren, other teams are going to make us take some salary back in a trade. There are not too many teams that have the cap room and would want to absorb $3M, especially at this point. Calgary was pretty smart in dumping Vandermeer ($2.3M) on Phoenix at the start of free agency. When Tampa recently traded Vrbata ($3M), they had to take back Fedoruk ($1M) and Hale ($700K). How many teams like this are left to just drop $3M on? The Islanders are always mentioned in rumours, but my guess is they would make us take back someone like Sim or Park, cutting right into that $3M, making it more like $2M, at best.

Also, considering some of the UFA talent still available who are comparable to Cheechoo in talent/production — Tanguay, Bertuzzi — those guys look like they’re going to sign for much cheaper. So, I’m not sure if there’s a market to a) trade Cheechoo and b) recoup the $3M in savings. But Wilson said he could get under the cap with one phone call. So we’ll see how he manages that. Unless he later says that’s not what he said.

by TrevorKidd on Aug 18, 2009 6:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good stuff...

And yeah, I think we’ve been too confident in the “Cheechoo for a pick” rumors we’ve been hearing. Here’s the difference, though.

Teams are going to lose out on the Tanguay/Bertuzzi’s of the world, so at least one of the teams looking for a top six forward (Phoenix, Tampa Bay, NYI, Buffalo, others) is going to be left in the dust. Hopefully that puts the Sharks in a better position to deal Cheechoo.

Another thing: I know that the players you mentioned above were for example purposes only, but both Vrbata and Vandermeer have two years left on their contracts, while Cheechoo only has one. In a world where the cap forces teams’ hands more often than not, an expiring contract is attractive. That increases Cheechoo’s value, and lessens the possibility that the Sharks would have to take money back for him.

In addition, although Cheechoo has indeed fallen off, I’d like to think he has far greater value than Vrbata (who only played 18 games in 2008-2009) and Vandermeer (who’s a fringe NHL defenseman). I think DW should be able to pull the “Cheechoo for a 3rd” or “Cheechoo for a 4th” swap.

Lastly, although this would be the worst possible option, Cheechoo could be optioned to Worcester. If a team claims him, you lose him for nothing. If they don’t, he plays in the AHL and is paid his $3MM, although none counts against the cap. I don’t know if Jamison and the ownership group would allow this, but it’s an option.

I think getting the full value back (Cap Savings) for Lukowich would be harder, but I’d also feel ok optioning him to the minors.

All in all, it’s getting pretty tiresome to speculate. No moves can be made until we have cap room, and until then, most arguments will be moot.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, the Wings of all teams are going to sign Bertuzzi (supposedly sometime this week), so that puts the Sharks in an even better position to deal Cheechoo, as it means that one more team is without a top 6 winger. There are plenty of people out there that believe Cheech still has 20-30 goals in him if he’s not stuck on the third line with the worst scorers in the NHL, and since the likely asking price is pretty small, there should be a team that will take a chance on him.

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by mymclife on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Cheechoo had 2 years and $6M remaining on his contract (with a $3M yearly cap hit).

I totally agree that in a vacuum, Cheechoo has more value than both Vrbata and Vandermeer. However, that’s where I think Wilson’s “patience” has exacerbated the problem (or he has overvalued Cheechoo and wants a higher pick than what is being offered). The money is drying up.

Ironically, it was Phoenix that took on both Vrbata and Vandermeer ($5.3M total!). If Wilson offers Cheechoo to Phoenix earlier just to get salary cap relief, it probably happens (given that they took those two stiffs). Now? Maybe not so much. And it looks like Phoenix has been the only team to take on money like this (probably to get to the cap floor?).

Just looking quickly, I think there are only a handful of teams under $50M, which I randomly guess is a proxy for teams willing to just take the $3M cap hit whole. Might not be an accurate hypothesis, but they are: Atlanta, Columbus, Nashville, New York Islanders, and Phoenix.

Atlanta ostensibly needs the space next year for Kovalchuk and Bryan Little (RFA). Columbus is reportedly looking for a defenceman and Brassard is going to be RFA next year. Phoenix is probably spent, though they have the room. Mueller, Upshall, and Hanzal are all RFAs next year. Nashville has a lot of money available ($15M+ in cap space) and no real stockpile of pending RFAs they’re saving for. And then there’s the Islanders. The Kings are at $50.5M and could be thinking playoffs this year. Maybe they might be a good partner if Wilson was all right with that and the Kings felt that Cheech could play in their top-6.

by TrevorKidd on Aug 18, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, I was up way to late. Cheechoo does indeed have two years left. Ignore that, and pretty much everything else I commented.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder...

This one phone call statement…maybe it means giving up Nabokov. Maybe DW sees another Kipper in the system, or in that 6 foot monster he just signed.

Move Cheechoo and Nabokov for plenty.

by Aero72 on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered that, too, about the giant Swede

/as if there’s another kind

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by stufflife on Aug 18, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops. I forgot Tampa. They’re right under $50M and if they lose out on Tanguay, as mentioned above, they might be a target. Dallas is also under.

Would definitely entertain an Ott ($1.4M, 1 year) for Cheechoo swap if they were game.

by TrevorKidd on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tampa

wants to spend as close to the salary floor as possible.

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by joe579 on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot seems to hinge on this notion that we’re definately trading Cheechoo this offseason. Obviously he seems to be the odd man out among the top-6 forwards we have, but with his recent injury history and his subsequent lack of production, I’m not sure he’s going to be particularly easy to move.

We might see Michalek be the one shipped out of town to free up cap space. Either way, Pyatt seems to be the kind of player the Sharks need on their 3rd line, so if Wilson can make it happen, that would be pretty cool.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only question mark on Pyatt is his mental state w/ the tragic death of his fiance.

I hope he’s in better shape and think he could be a good addition to the 3rd line.

by IsThisTheYear? on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

you’re still upset about the “irresponsible” comment. I was having a rough day and you offered some solutions I didn’t like. I’m sorry. Really, truly.

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by stufflife on Aug 18, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha, it was more of a joke than anything else. Not pissed at all or anything. Just having a little fun at your expense!

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

Well, screw you, jokey!

/like the smurf

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by stufflife on Aug 18, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't be hatin' on eachother...

We’ve gotta keep the Salinas love alive.

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by That'll Cheech You on Aug 18, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww

you remember TWO things about me!

It was a good writeup, though. I don’t know much about Pyatt except for his fiance’s death. Now that Bertuzzi is signed, maybe it is closer to the time to move Cheechoo and pick him up. I don’t think Tanguay is really an obstacle, as they are operating at different planes.

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by stufflife on Aug 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Him or Chimera I would be fine with. Training camp is one month away and I do not want them to waste this season by not making any moves. This could be our last shot for a long time, so make it count.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 19, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must have “salary dump” goggles on because this baby is looking better and better as the offseason goes on.

Oh my Goc!!!

by DownRUpLYB on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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