Sharks Acquire C Patrick White and D Daniel Rahimi from Canucks, Ehrhoff and Lukowich gone
"San Jose Sharks Executive Vice President and General Manager Doug Wilson announced Friday that the team has acquired center Patrick White and defenseman Daniel Rahimi from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for defensemen Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich."
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Sorry I deleted yours, we’re front paging this one too. Thanks for posting it, though.
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Well, it seems Greiss will be the lone German on the team this year.
On the other hand, I need some sort of celebration smiley to celebrate some cap space being freed up.
Now, you can follow my uninteresting life on Twitter.
I'm super surprised!
They just had Luko do a signing! That’s really the only reason why I am surprised, but still, shocked.
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Let's just get this over with, shall we?
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WyshinskiBot3000: Doug Wilson needed to make serious changes this summer to give this team some heart, and he traded a number 4 and 8 defenseman?
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Oh yeah...
A kid from Grand Rapids! Itasca County represent! I would have gone to that high school if my family didn’t move when I was 7.
Jon Casey fan since '84
He's definitely in the top 6 now, if not in the top 4.
Boyle – Blake – Vlasic – Huskins – Murray – Petrecki?/Joslin?
Wow, the Sharks need to add a D man now. Cheechoo has to be on his way out.
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I agree. No way Cheechoo is staying now. Petrecki and Joslin aren’t quite ready for prime time yet
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We could sign someone.
UFAs are suddenly an option. Keep Cheech! (although I think it’d be better for him if he could get top line minutes elsewhere, but come on! It’d just be wrong to see him in another sweater. It’d be like seeing Jeff Friesen in Devil’s red!)
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We could
and we might, but with this trade, Cheech’s chances of being moved have increased significantly. Then again, we all figured he’d be gone earlier this summer and he’s still here, so I could be waaaaayyyyyy off base here.
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Eklund had those rumors about Cheech to the Isles. I think they were waiting for Cheech to go on waivers. I wouldn’t be surprised if their interest has died down. With the team under the cap, I think teams are going to be less excited about Cheech since they can’t steal him.
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I don't know if we're willing to give him the 3 years he's asking for...
But Dennis Seidenberg? He’s the best one still out there.
After that, you’re looking at guys like Cullimore, Skoula, M.A. Bergeron (I like).
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30 points in 70 games. I would not mind having him, we certainly have enough cap room now.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 28, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheech to the Sharks
Ever wonder how he would play in a consistent 2nd line role while healthy? Not Doug Wilson dog house consistent…more like chemistry with some familiar linemates consistent.
Here's to the second round!
Consistent lines?
What is this foreign concept you speak of? Is it perhaps something mythical like “the healthy scratch?”
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Cap numbers
If anyone can get links to the updated cap numbers for the team (when they are ultimately calculated, that’d be cool. But rough estimates based on my fuzzy memory, we were $2M over. Christian and Luko were a combined $4.5 roughly? So, we’re under by $2.5M. Is that right?
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You were actually
Only $555,000 over or so with the Bonus Cushion.
Because of the deal you have roughly $4.2 mill in cap space now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 28, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s accounting for probable players (Staubitz, Mitchell) that need to be signed to fill out the roster.
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Thanks for the clarification
I trust you with the numbers. Numbers scare me.
Which is bad, seeing as how I’m an engineer.
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remind me to never have you engineer anything for me ;)
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I can engineer disaster at the drop of a hat!
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well then
I’ll call you if I ever need a good disaster! You should work for some arch villains or something. Is the monarch hiring?
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The health plan sucks, so I stick to freelancing.
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arch villains are such cheapskates
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You can't really blame them
With the economy in a recession, and these so called “superheroes” always diminishing their revenue stream, it’s hard to be able to justify expenditures.
We’re all hurting.
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Can I hire you to work on th Ducks?
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
Arch Villains have a code
They tend not to go after OTHER manifestations of pure evil
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I was right in our universe
But according to the official league numbers, yeah, we’d have gobs more cap space, which of course means we’re dealing for Heatley. Because, you know, Heatley.
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Pat White – 1st round 2007
Prospect Grade: 6.0 D (About Prospect Grades)
Profile Contributed By: HF Staff
History
Patrick White has played his last four seasons at Grand Rapids High School, in Grand Rapids, Minnesota. During that time, he skated on the US U17 Select Team at the U17 Five nations Tournament in Huttwil, Switzerland. Was drafted by the Seattle Thunderbirds in the spring of 2004, but chose to stay and play at home. Was drafted by the Lincoln Stars in the summer of 2005, but again chose to stay and play at his high school. During the 2005-06 season – his junior year – he helped his squad get into the post season and into the state championships. He struck a deal with Lincoln to play before and after his high school season during the 2006-07 season. Grand Rapids got back into the playoffs and won the 7AA Section Championship. He was also named the 2007 Associated Press Minnesota High School Hockey Player of the Year, Associated Press First Team All-State, a Minnesota Mr. Hockey Finalist and earned St. Paul Pioneer Press First Team All State honors. He was selected to the U.S. U18 squad that was set to take the ice in Finland.
2007-08: White didn’t have an easy time securing ice-time with the historic Gophers team. As a result, his offensive production was not where one would hope from an NHL first rounder, with just 10 points in 45 games.
Talent Analysis
White’s a creative playmaker that can give a team a lot of confidence. He skates very well and can handle the puck very well in and out of traffic. His biggest strength lies within his all-around game, which the Canucks hope he will hone during his collegiate career.
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The 20 year old was the Canucks’ 17th best prospect according to Hockey’s Future.
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Daniel Rahimi - 3rd round 2006
Prospect Grade: 6.0 D (About Prospect Grades)
Profile Contributed By: HF Staff
History
Rahimi spent the 2005-06 campaign playing for Bjorkloven in the Swedish hockey system.
2006-07: The big Swede returned to Bjorkloven for another season, appearing in 33 games, racking up two points and 104 penalty minutes. Following the elimination of the team from the playoffs, Rahimi traversed the Atlantic to appear in one regular season and four playoff games with the Manitoba Moose. It was a rocky start, but the fact that he came over is reassuring for his future.
2007-08: Rahimi came to North America and began his journey to the NHL with a very average performance at the Canucks’ rookie camp where top talent like Alexander Edler and the tragically deceased Luc Bourdon significantly outperformed him. Rahimi did not take to the more physical North American game as well as anticipated and while he did play the bulk of his games (41 in the AHL), he did played 19 times with the Victoria Salmon Kings.
Talent Analysis
He has great size at 6’3, 200 lbs and plays a mean, on-the-edge defensively-focused game. At this point he lacks the offensive talents to be a contributor offensively, but the organization does not see that as a huge concern. He has decent skating and has been touted by Swedish scout Thomas Gradin as being extremely mature.
His offensive skills are extremely limited and his skating needs significant improvement before he can hope to make the transition to the NHL. His turning is poor and his top end speed is not NHL level.
Future
He definitely has some work cut out for him, but his raw physical attributes give the Canucks hope for his future. He uncertainly has the work ethic, maturity and style of play to be an effective third pairing defenseman in the NHL if he can only overcome his shortcomings, however significant they are at this time.
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The 22 year old was the Canucks’ 16th best prospect according to Hockey’s Future.
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Am I the only one
wondering how Boyle feels about this? Didn’t he want Lukowich to come with him to SJ?
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I think Boyle just wants to win, honestly. Luko didn’t get it done. End of story.
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i still have to see how the others at Nucks Misconduct react to the loss of our prospects, though.
GO CANUCKS GO!
Consensus
Did anyone on your boards have any strong feelings on your prospects before this trade? Did you guys feel you had a deep farm system?
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well, white was mentioned a few times.
most of the discussion over there is about how, despite our farm system being quite deep, none of our defense prospects seemed not quite ready for NHL, being closer to the AHL level with Manitoba, and we are overloaded with forwards who all want a chance with the NHL.
GO CANUCKS GO!
I’d be interested in that. Looking at their stats and history, it looks like the Sharks just traded two NHL players for two players that will likely not ever be NHL regulars.
Yeah, that’s bothering me too.
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salary dump…the names coming back were pretty irrelevant.
Hopefully something else happens though.
Here's to the second round!
Definitely a salary dump
Woulda liked a bit more, but, hey, if you can sign guys now, I guess a dump is okay. Kinda woulda preferred Ehrhoff for Chimera. But, whatever, we can actually DO something now.
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it was going to have to happen
White seems to have some promise. I’m going to reserve final judgment until the team hits the ice.
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well, we might have got the better end of the deal, then.
here’s a link to the fanshot i put over there, so you can see our reactions.
GO CANUCKS GO!
Looking at their stats and history, it looks like the Sharks just traded two NHL players for two players that will likely not ever be NHL regulars.
That comes with the territory when you’re dealing to get under the cap. I mentioned it earlier in the summer, but when the Ducks were over the cap, the eventually had to trade a useful Mathieu Schneider for contracts that amounted to 2 NHL GP by Ken Klee (before ANA paid half his salary to play in PHX).
Basically, it’s the ultimate “dealing from weakness”. The fact that the trade goes through is pretty much the return.
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True
We wouldn’t want to have to waive a goaltender or anything. ;)
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I probably won’t complain too much about that, so long as goalies keep falling into Anaheim’s lap. It’s true, Bryz was in Hiller’s way, and there was no market — Burkie looks pretty good there, I think.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Don't think you guys were any worse for the wear
It’s just tough to let a division rival pick up a piece like that. For all the good it did ’em I suppose, Burkie looks even better.
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Plus it’s tough to quantify the effect, but Burke generally appeared to keep his word for a player and give him a chance elsewhere. Even if it was just optics, Burke looked like a pretty player-first GM on that move, and it may have helped UFA perception of Anaheim in some respects.
Certainly it’s never optimal to give away a star goalie, but under the circumstances I don’t give Burke a lot of shit about that.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
I'm a Sharks fan
Bylaw 1942.5 requires I give Burke shit.
But agreed. You guys remained competitive then, and more recently. It looked like sale time at the trade deadline, but Burke put together a very fine roster.
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shoulda kept luko. and traded murray. how much cap space did we lose? 4.5?
Luko was terrible. Murray was our best defensive d-man. Good riddance.
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Seriously, why all the hate on Murray. I thought he played better than both luko and ehrhoff
by SharksFanTillDeath on Aug 28, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s 750K more than Luko. And yes, he was much much much much much much better.
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i dont know. to me, the trade just sucked in general… id rather keep ehrhoff. the canucks def. got the better deal. it seems like we could have gotten more than just these 2 clowns
I just wish it would have been a salary dump to a non Western Conference team
by SharksFanTillDeath on Aug 28, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if you have to dump salary
This is what you have to do.
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i wonder what theyre gna do with this extra cap space now. i hope its not just to bring up platers from the ahl…
That’s what I read… giving our AHL’ers a chance to move up.
by SharksFanTillDeath on Aug 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
We got a little worked.
But we needed space, and now we have a ton. Getting someone to take Luko at 2 was the issue.
Now, hopefully we can work someone back.
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Agreed
I’m very curious to see what sort of UFAs Wilson might go after. $2.5 isn’t much, but it’s probably good enough to find some youngish guys for the third line. I’d like the team to go back a bit to the days when the third line was guys like Goc, Grier and Rissmiller who could play the PK and contribute the odd goal. Save Patty and Pavs for offensive output.
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LISTEN TO ME FOR ONCE DW!!!
SIGN TAYLOR F%^&ING PYATT.
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by TCY on Aug 28, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be silly TCY
Doug Wilson doesn’t read this blog. Only Eklund does so he can create rumors.
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Agreed.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
whos left…? lol i cant really see any free agents the are in the market right now that would fit the team. but i dont even know them all aha
Big names are gone
But we’re not looking for big names. We need the 2nd and 3rd tier guys (like Grier, who was only signed a few weeks ago).
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thats what people are commenting on the tsn page but i think thats pretty dumb. i dont think heatley would ever be on the sharks. honestly, i dont think wilson has the balls to make a big move like this.
I'm sorry
But the comments on TSN have all the honest thoughtful reflection of moldy vegetables.
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Or Tanguay, who remains unsigned. If Cheechoo is moved, I would 100% support that.
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I’d be down with Tanguay
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I will second that
or third it, whatever
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ooh
intriguing. Name hasn’t been connected with SJ, but I’d rather have Tanguay over Heatley.
Oh my Goc!!!
Twolinepass just tweeted about the possibility the $4.5 million is to sign Kessel, but that’s dumb.
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
by strongrobot on Aug 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
no way mate!
Wouldn’t trade that guaranteed hit per game that Murray would level on the bad guys! Without McLaren dropping hipchecks anymore we need Murray or we would be left with all star game level hitting.
By we I mean they. I was getting excited.
Here's to the second round!
I like it
gives us 4 m in cap space to sign Staubitz, Mitchell and call up either Joslin, Moore or Petrecki and still have about 1.5 or so in space to make another, ‘bigger’ move.
There wasn’t any room in the top four for Ehrhoff anyways. Great to get Lukowich off our books too.
Oh, so that's where you edit your signature
Gonna make the same point
Even if people think we got jobbed, he was called Errorhoff for a reason. Thank goodness they were willing to take Luko too.
Oh my Goc!!!
Guys...
I really don’t think that this move is for Heatley. Remember, Ehrhoff had to be part of that deal. Now we are looking at trading away actual talent for him.
This HAD TO HAPPEN, I don’t think Heatley is involved here.
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Come on TCY
Just say you have a case of trade-itis and go home early!
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Also
This tweet from Darren Dreger RIGHT AFTER the trade with the Canucks: Sharks trade with the Canucks frees up $$, but i’m told talks on Heatley have gone cold.
This isn’t for heatly
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yup
we desperately needed cap space and a little wiggle room, in one swoop DW takes care of all our cap issues. Even if we did nothing else but resign our own players we’re set now.
Great move, won’t miss either player really.
Oh, so that's where you edit your signature
We did sign a pair of young defensive prospects a month or so ago
http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?bcid=442902
We might be a touch deeper on the blue line than we thought. Not saying these guys are gonna start 82 games, but, we have more options than just Joslin and Petrecki
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On the other end, Canucks really bolstered their blueline
Officially signed Mathieu Schneider as well.
Oh my Goc!!!
doug wilson.. man
i dont get why doug wilson keeps on insisting the team wont be finished until the trade deadline. hes been doing that for the past couple years. look how THAT worked out. i guess he really doesn’t believe in team chemistry, just adding players to a lineup that would look right.
I think what he is saying is
don’t expect or assume that all moves will be done before the season starts. He obviously does care about chemistry because he doesn’t just bring any ole player in. He looks for people that fit with the team and culture we have established here in SJ.
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and personally
I’d much rather have a GM who is actively looking for players than one who just sits on his hands and says “whelp, we’re done!” come opening day. He may not always make moves I understand or agree with, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t working with the best interests of the team in mind.
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i just dont agree on some of the stupid stuff he does sometimes. claude lemiuex? really..? and bill guerin back a couple years ago.
The way I see it is
just because he does stuff I wouldn’t doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just means it’s not what I would do. Look at Campbell. We all thought that was genius and he turned out to be a HUGE disappointment. Similar situation to Guerin, just a slightly different flavor.
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Guerin won a cup with Pittsburgh
He had a bad postseason and then walked. I don’t think you fault Doug Wilson for that. Lemiuex. Meh, it didn’t cost us anything. And it WAS a great story. How about JR?
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Mitchell is JR
I think Mitchell will bring the same jump JR did but with a greater impact.
Here's to the second round!
You gotta look at it this way.
Doug Wilson = National Hockey League general manger
Us = Random fans on the internet
I’m very willing to bet DW is smarter than us when it comes to running a team.
-The dude responsible for this mess
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No wayZ!
I are smrtst person EVAR
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But you can also argue that Glen Sather and Mike Milbury are/were NHL GMs, and their respective intelligence regarding managing a hockey team is questionable.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
True...
but I said Doug WIlson!
-The dude responsible for this mess
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not preaching to the lowest common denominator
He is also reinforcing the process of building rather than blowing things up. The trade deadline reminder is for those of us who are getting a wee bit impatient.
Look at the roster again…we have a pretty sweet team in teal. Get everyone signed and HEALTHY, and make some noise.
Here's to the second round!
the core of the team looks the same to me. we’re going to be adding in some prospects into our lineup and scott nichol.
cant wait
i just want to see joe pavelski fight someone again. that was my highlight of the season
The Pavelski-Whitney fight? Seriously?
I mean, it was hilarious, but I was at that game, and as it was about to intermission, we were asking ourselves whether it was even worth staying to watch these first-timers play tough.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
It might have been better
If the Sharks didn’t look like they’d already mentally conceded the game.
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who
who do you guys think will be our top 6 dmen now? boyle, blake, vlasic, murray, ,,. joslin?hope not. moore?
Boyle Blake Vlasic Murray Huskins +1
Joslin and Moore are options, as are the guys we signed a month ago, or someone else we pick up as a #6.
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Holy shit, news! I’ll have something up later today hopefully, but I think it’s a decent deal- the prospects are nothing to write home about, but I’m amazed DW managed to get Luko off the books.
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Teams always need D-Men
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I know we havent mentioned this in a while.....
but maybe they did this for Patrick Sharp? Remember how the Sharks and Leafs were both looking into getting him? Now that we have room, maybe they’ll get him. I’m just throwing around ideas right now so don’t get mad @ me or anything. haha
Sharks got robbed.
White is a laughingstock among Canucks fans (he gets outscored by rookies on his NCAA team) and Rahimi has been playing in the ECHL. Lukowich alone is worth more than them. Ehrhoff should have at least gotten us a 1st round pick in addition. I can see why some people dislike Wilson now.
Cap space is important though. In one trade, we got $4.5M. We were always going to get robbed. No one was going to pay what Ehrhoff or Luko was worth, not when they knew how bad our cap situation was. This trade isn’t the judgement on Wilson. It’s what he does with this $4.5M that’ll show if he knows what he’s doing or not (my money, so to speak, is on Wilson pulling through).
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reallly
so unloading cap hogs for guys no one expects to play anyway in order to free up space for future moves makes you a laughingstock eh? It was a salary dump that brought guys for our real prospects to pound on a bit. Just a salary dump.
Here's to the second round!
Lukowich alone is worth more than them.
Heh, just you wait and see sir. Did you watch him at all last season? Getting him off the books is a win in my book.
Anyways, like others have said before (and I’m saying in a piece I’m writing), it’s a salary dump. If this happens mid season I’m livid, but for right now I think I can live with it although the return is pretty piss poor.
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Let me qualify- piss poor as in I think Ehrhoff is worth much more than two middling prospects.
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Just tossing this out there as a Leafs fan to see your reactions
Trade:
Jason Blake, Matt Stajan, and Mike Van Ryn for Patrick Marleau and Jonathan Cheechoo.
San Jose ends up with 18 players and $4.9 million in cap space, Toronto is down to 22 players and $1.5 million in cap space.
Thoughts?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Oh and Van Ryn
can play the point on the PP if he’s healthy.
With the $4.9 mill you can go sign Tanguay and Cullimore (for insurance), and when you bring up Couture, you’re basically set.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 28, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure Couture is going to be called up this season- he’s yet to play a full season in the AHL, and there’s not a pressing need to rush him into third line duty. I think the earliest we see him on the NHL roster is 2010-2011.
As for the proposed deal, I can tell you it’s not going to happen. Marleau would never waive his no trade clause to play for Ron Wilson.
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Marleau would never waive his no trade clause to play for Ron Wilson.
That’s pretty much what it boils down to. No matter what team or situation it may be, it is highly doubtful that Marleau will ever willingly play for Ron Wilson.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
Off the top of my head
Stajan is probably the only player out of that group I’m interested in (age being a definite factor, plus seemingly steady production).
Blake is a great character guy, and this is a team that probably needs some character. Numbers don’t impress me TOO much on him.
Van Ryn’s health is of concern to me.
Granted, what’s working against you most in this trade is Patty and Cheech are fan favorites among some here (among others, they are the cause of world hunger, global warming and the next war).
It’s interesting to consider, but I don’t think I’d do it.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I take some of it back
Blake’s numbers were better than I gave him credit for. Still probably not enough to make me do the deal (assuming Patty’d play for Ron Wilson). But a much closer deal than I first gave credit for.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Yeah obviously
if Marleau vetoes it then it’s a non-starter. I was more curious if there was a market for the Leafs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 28, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely a market for Stajan
Young player, decent steady numbers. He’d be great on a third line at the moment with growth potential. Van Ryn, the injury thing is worrisome. Blake is solid.
But with all the free agent signings, you guys look to certainly be better this year. Do you really need to move these guys?
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Yes
Well it’s a combination of having too many 3rd line forwards, and too many blue liners. I’m tossing Stajan in because he doesn’t really fit on the top two lines, and Blake is just sort of a sweetener who happens to be making too much money for a player his age.
Amongst the forwards alone we have the following players who should be in their first or second season in the NHL:
Kulemin, Grabovski, Mitchell, Bozak, Stålberg, Hanson, Tlusty, Wallin
Mitchell, Stålberg, Hanson, Tlusty, and Wallin are all “extra” at this point… but none of them will fill the role of top end scoring threat at this stage of their development.
Then we’ve got the following veterans clogging things up a bit:
Blake, Stajan, Stempniak, Mayers, Primeau, Hagman, Ponikarovsky, Orr.
To be honest, the Leafs AHL affiliate should be quite good this coming season. I’m not saying everyone needs to be shifted out, but the Leafs lack top line scoring punch, and while Blake and Stajan are average to good… neither of them is a top tier forward in the NHL. Marleau and Cheechoo are a ppg player and a former 50 goal scorer. Not necessarily getting them at their best… but who knows.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Salary Dump
Its obviously a salary dump..Neither one of these players from the Canuck will ever be a factor in SJ..
DW better have something up his sleeve..The D has zero depth and lots of question marks..
We don’t have to worry about anyone expecting much from the Sharks..No expectations for the stanley cup now..The latest NHL.com power rankings had the Sharks tenth overall and sixth is the west..That sounds about right..
rankings?
link please. i can’t find it.
and as far as expectations go, i’ll wait until the sharks roster is full.
MeThinksSports, Giants, Sharks, and Randomosity
by serrapadre716 on Aug 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm Walking On Sunshine!!!
Oh man. Ehrhoff is gone. I don’t care how it happened, just that he’s gone. If I heard at the beginning of the year, that in the offseason, we’d be getting rid of Ehrhoff, Grier, Plihal, Goc, and Semenov (although the last 2 grew on me over the year), I would be estatic. I also think that’s a pretty big change in the organization.
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Canucks
I have been checking out the Canucks blogs and they are overwhelmingly in favor of this deal and think the Sharks just gave them the players necessary to move ahead of the Sharks in the standings..
Neither one of the two players the Sharks got, were in the Canucks plans..Obviously this is a salary dump..The lack of depth now is a little alarming, but I am sure Wilson has something up his sleeve..
I have been checking out the Canucks blogs and they are overwhelmingly in favor of this deal and think the Sharks just gave them the players necessary to move ahead of the Sharks in the standings
what sharks games were they watching? from what everyone around here ways about how bad luko is defensively, i don’t see it.
MeThinksSports, Giants, Sharks, and Randomosity
by serrapadre716 on Aug 28, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Erhrhoff was the one that was bad defensively
I would have liked Luko to stay but not at his cap price.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
So...
Canucks get Ehrhoff + Lukowich.
Sharks get prospects + SALARY DUMP!
If you look at it by the players, Duhhh the Sharks got robbed, but SALARY DUMP! Lukowich could be easily replaced and Ehrhoff isn’t the biggest loss, I guess. Ehrhoff is 27 this year as well.
Who knows. Maybe Ehrhoff and Luko were the players DW was talking about that weren’t getting the job done.
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Off with his head
Doug Wilson is fired.
by SanJoseLandShark on Aug 28, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
So I get back from class, boot up my laptop, and HOLY CRAP EHRHOFF WAS TRADED! And then the blue screen of death shows up as I start freaking out.
Obviously, this is purely a salary dump with some prospects coming back the other way to help bolster the farm (which has been getting a lot stronger this off-season, what with all the free-agent and college signings the organization has done). Lukowich and Ehrhoff free up around $4.7M in cap space, giving the Sharks a lot more flexibility in who they can sign out of training camp.
While Lukowich was easily the worst defenseman last year not named Semenov (who earned about a third of his pay and wasn’t invited back this year), the loss of Ehrhoff is going to hurt the team. His puck-moving ability, shot (when accurate), and speed will be sorely missed, but on a team with Rob Blake and 5 more years of Dan Boyle, he was a bit redundant. Plus, there’s a reason why his nickname is “Error.”
Still, I’m going to miss Ehrhoff’s moments of brilliance and Lukowich’s musical talents. I just hope that they don’t join the ranks of former Sharks who turn around and dominate this team.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
NO NO NO!
You’re supposed to say bad things about players when they are traded!
Ehrhoff’s hair!!!!
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
yea same
i get back from school and am looking forward to seeing lincecum pitch tonight. to kill time, i turn on the laptop and the trade comes up.
I just hope that they don’t join the ranks of former Sharks who turn around and dominate this team.
just wait for ehrhoff get a hat trick and a luko empty netter for a 4-2 win in the shark tank.
MeThinksSports, Giants, Sharks, and Randomosity
by serrapadre716 on Aug 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
don't forget he was more effective on the PP than Blake and Boyle
we will regret trading ehrhoff. I am very sad!
by a10dency2ask on Aug 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
From Mirtle:
This is a big time salary dump, as the two prospects coming in aren’t anything to crow about. As far as I can tell, the Sharks have about $2.5-million left under the salary cap after having been over for much of the summer, and one of the first orders of business will be to re-sign restricted free agent Torrey Mitchell to a new deal.
I think more moves are coming for the Sharks here, and that may even involve the long rumoured deal for Dany Heatley. Dumping Ehrhoff and Lukowich gives Wilson a lot of flexibility going forward, especially if he can also move out Jonathan Cheechoo, although it’d still be wise for him to add another cheap veteran on the back end at some point.
I’ll be very surprised if this is the lineup San Jose goes into the season with. We were told to expect big changes, and I imagine those are still on the way.
-From the Rink
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
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Anyone want to see Rahimi get owned in a fight?
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Now that we have cap room.....
maybe we can rob some high end players from another team that needs to do a salary dump (Heatley?)
yay? no?
luko-not good defensivly, well you guys always say that
ehrhoff-well, i just never liked him. offensive defencemen…except not really good offensivly…no thanks.
salary dump? yes.
good trade to me? yes.
MeThinksSports, Giants, Sharks, and Randomosity
Sweet
The wayward shot from the blue line and the idiotic out of the zone passes are history (Ehrhorff), and somebody earning way too much for the lack of defensive talent is also history (Luko). Sooooooo what does that leave us with? — A whole bunch of breathing room under the cap to sign some of our more reasonable talents in Mitchell and Staubitz. Also, this appears to be a bait and switch move on the part DW. We can give certain people the raises that they deserve as well as giving more flexibility to the GM for more moves during training camp and next season before the trading deadline. The question remains as to who else is set to go? Cheechoo maybe? Who knows, the possibilities are endless right now, the salary dump is on and if we are to sign that huge talent, we would definitely be able to accommodate their salary if we choose to go that route.
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by SetoThorMarChooSki on Aug 28, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
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