We talked about this before, but I still say no. Absolutely no redeeming quality to him as a Shark. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Not a single part of that man is of any use to this team no matter what is asked to give up in exchange (and even less if Vlasic is seriously being offered). There are about 700 players I’d rather a Shark. Hell, I’d have Claude Lemieux back before Heatley.

Offense is not a problem for this team. Defense is not really a problem for this team. (Goaltending… I could be convinced either way) But honestly, this team, pretty much as is, won the President’s Trophy last year. Folding in the playoffs after a record regular season has nothing to do with talent or goal scoring.

Character is the problem. It is 100% no doubt the single biggest problem that needs to be addressed. I think Wyshynski put it perfectly today (as he has all along in this whole mess): “Because if there’s one thing San Jose needs to change the culture in its locker room, it’s a quitter without a ring” (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Headlines-Canuck-s-summer-stick-foul-Habs?urn=nhl,180427)

Heatley is, was, and will always be the anti-character. That Doug Wilson has even entertained this idea leads me to believe he should have his head examined. If he actually does this, he needs to be lobotomized.

I’m not sure a leader demands a trade when they don’t like where things are headed. Heatley may have that desire, but he has done a poor job expressing it this offseason.

As a Sens fan, the frustrating part is that Heatley can be a complete player when he wants to be. It was his backchecking that led to Alfredsson’s GWG that sent the Senators to the Finals in 2007. If a trade can bring out that player in Heatley, whichever team lands him is the winner in any deal. It seems to be getting him to play to his true potential that’s the problem.

So what’s the news on the deal including the Habs, Sharks and Sens, Heatley, Marleau, Michalek, Cheechoo, Erhoff??? That’s all I have been hearing but don’;t know how the Habs fit in there to help out.

If goaltending is an issue… Halak better not be the one to go.

The only reason we got Thornton was because DW Glamoured everybody in Boston.

http://truebloodwiki.hbo.com/thread/2059554/Glamour+and+Glamouring?t=anon

It’s only a matter of time before Dougy works his vampiric magic on Ottawa and the NHLPA (you know, for cap issues)

Here is my Heatley “Glamour” Special Trade, or Jedi Mind trick trade, if you’re a different kind of nerd.

To San Jose:
Heatley
Halak

To Ottawa: Jody Shelley, Mike Ricci’s old Jock, Bryan Marchment’s toe nail clipping collection.

To Montreal:
Thornton’s spare teeth and a lock of hair.

Ottawa GM: “Wait, we want Marleau or Cheechoo or something”

DW:
(Star Wars Scenario)
“These aren’t the playoff chokers you’re looking for.”

(True Blood Scenario)
“You will like and accept the trade I offer you. You will be very happy. Everything is going to be ok.”

Things I want for the Sharks:

1. A Stanley Cup
2. Back to back Stanley Cups
3. A Cup to make it three.
4. A 50 Goal Scorer
5. Heart
6. Grit
7. Cap Space to bring in 1-6

Heatley brings number 4. He probably will not bring number 7, not without some VERY SERIOUS maneuvering. 5 and 6, you’ve made a case that he might. That being said, outside of the Sens run to the finals, people basically said the same thing that they now say about the Sharks: guys who won’t show up in the playoffs. You’ve shown the numbers. Marleau has good numbers. The Sharks still have no cup.

You make a strong case. I can understand why you’d say yes. And honestly, after game 4, I was ready to chuck anyone and everyone not named Dan Boyle, Douglas Murray, Torrey Mitchell and Ryan Clowe to the curb and build the team from scratch.

I get why Heatley wanted to come here. Who wouldn’t want to have Joe Thornton feed them. There are other contenders out there. Heatley can help one of them.

The basic problem of this team is the same. It’s what the Oilers faced in ‘83. They don’t know what it takes to win. The Oil had to see the Isles on the edge of exhaustion and collapse before they knew what it took to win.

I get that we need fresh blood in the room. Heatley’s blood? Well, maybe DW has a taste for it since he’s a vampire.

I still vote no.

Now, if we could just figure out how to get Jerome Iginla in teal…

aside from the cap issues, in getting Heatly is how much of our depth it’ll cost us. Not just landing him, but clearing the cap too. A Heatly-Thornton-Marleau line would be absolutely amazing, but not if it’s our only serious scoring threat. The Ducks showed what a good defensive team can do to a one line team in ‘07 and there’s some pretty good d in the West. I can’t be the only one here that’s scared of that Calgary blueline.

about 100 lbs more than Detroit’s

But funny that the Wings never needed those lbs to be where they are.

The trouble is that our window for winning the Cup is slowly passing. There is a possibility that we’ll be in rebuilding mode as soon as a year from now if Marleau and Nabokov are let go, and then Thornton signs elsewhere a year later. We’re not going to be a Cup contender every year we’re entering playoffs, and the times when we’re happy to just make playoffs are not that far away.

For that reason, I hope DW gambles this season (I think he knows that his job the first in jeopardy, since we’ve tried everything else) and finds a way to get Heatley here. In the long term, it might not be the best decision. But if it means we’ll actually win the Cup or at least play in our first final this next season, I don’t care what that costs us going into the future.

At this point, I’ll take one Cup or SCF appearance and several years of mediocrity that follows (think Carolina or Colorado) over many years of second and first round exits.

Where the hell do some people get their line of thinking? (shrugs)

Yeah, I’m still against getting Heatley. If his contract expires this year, or its a few million less, maybe, but not now. I like Marleau, Setoguchi, and Pavelski far too much.

Oh, and I am going to question the character of a guy who is reported to have problems with three of his coaches, and the guy who demanded a trade as soon as his team wasn’t doing well. Then he cried to the media that people were being too hard on him when the news came out and people started questioning his character, saying that he was the victim. He signed that contract, he made that commitment, and now he has to live with it. If you demand a trade, fine, just don’t go blabbering to the media about it and putting your current GM in a position of weakness. And then don’t reject a perfectly good trade your GM put together because you’re picky, especially since it got out to the public and you look like even more of a dick.

I say do it. However, I would prefer the rumored Sharp, Kessel (Run) or Chimera deals, as those could help our middle to lower lines. But, to pass up Joe and Heater on the same line, would be idiotic.

Just saw on Twitter that’s what Comcast is reporting

PD is hip with teh internetz blog-o-sphere.

here’s my though. what if edmonton was the third team. san jose got heatley, we get cogliano, penner and smid, and edmonton gets cheechoo ect. from san jose.

I will complain about the lack of proper punctuation and capitalization later, but this is an interesting offer. I certainly hadn’t thought of it before. We know that Ottawa liked the offer from Edmonton, even if I think it’s overpayment. What do you all think of this?