A New Frontier

The Ottawa Sun is reporting (with Eklund esque certainty I may add) that disgruntled All-Star winger Dany Heatley will be landing in San Jose within the next 48 hours.
Cue whatever feeling you feel is appropriate.
A lot of people are speculating what exactly Wilson is going to be giving up in order to land Heatley, waiting with bated breath and eager eyes to see if he can pull off the likes of a Joe Thornton heist one more time. Whether it's an updated version of the proposed deal of Cheechoo and Ehrhoff, involves three teams, or "something really cool I don't even know about yet", the question I pose to you today is this- does it even matter?
San Jose isn't the same organization it was in November of 2005. The salary cap wasn't an issue then- last season was the first time management spent to the cap. We've been beating the upcoming financial issues since March, touched upon it again at the beginning of free agency... frankly, it's become old hat, a tired and vexing exercise.
Which makes the inclusion of Dany Heatley all the more interesting. He's a potential sixty goal player alongside Thornton. He also comes in with a hefty $7.5 M cap hit.
Getting back to the original point- the cost DW will have to pay in order to bring Heatley to San Jose. Assuming the Ottawa Sun's report is true, and Jamie McGinn finds a full time role with the team next season, the Sharks sit $7.2 M over the cap with two forwards and a goaltender needing to be re-signed. Not exactly the best place to be in terms of salary structure, but it's workable right? Yes and no.
Personnel will obviously need to be moved in order to land Heatley, which puts a bullet into Wilson's ability to compose a 22 man roster- moving Cheechoo, Ehrhoff etc. is a double edged sword in that the cap space saved results in more players needing to be brought in. Although Cheechew at Battle of California believes DW is one move away, the numbers just don't add up. More resources will need to be moved after a Heatley deal, and those resources will result in a further depletion of the lower lines and San Jose's youth.
This is where the proverbial shit hits the fan. The Sharks minor league system is completely devoid of a goal scoring forward. Coupled with the fact that the organization is absolutely unable to land a marquee free agent, any forward who is moved will open up a hole in that department. Take Michalek for example. Maybe you plug that hole with Marleau for this season, but banking on him to take a severe pay cut with Pavelski and Setoguchi getting raises/the cap sinking like a stone in the sea next season is pure speculation at best. Then do you move Marleau instead for prospects/picks in order to offset the lack of depth Heatley's $7.5 M contract will cause? Moving Patty allows you to retool on the fly and balance out your scoring, moving Michalek for bottom line players essentially means that DW is going for broke this year at the expense of the future. No team is going to give up multiple potential top six players for Michalek to a team fighting to get under the cap.
The fact is, no matter what San Jose gives up in the Heatley deal, more players will need to be moved. Important players, players that provide depth, players that are young, players that the organization will be looking for one year from now. Players that many members here have defended all throughout this offseason.
It's like a goddamn R.L. Stine Choose Your Own Adventure novel. And I know I already finished mine.
Go Sharks.
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wow
i didnt really expect that… wow. i thought he was going to end up staying in ottawa. i hope we didnt give up too much..
All salary cap and future issues aside...
If Heatley scores upward 30-40 points in the playoffs en route to helping us win a Stanley Cup, it is an amazing move.
Otherwise, well, I’m not going to get into that, as its been beaten to death here.
Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!
You’re definitely right- I’m very excited at the prospect of Heatley absolutely tearing it up with Thornton. But if I’m a betting man, I stick with the majority of the roster and plan for the future. This is another “buy” deal in the history of DW- he’s had his fair share of those since the lockout.
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If it’s true, then I would love to give Jumbo the opportunity to because a 90+ assist man again. Imagine him feeding Setoguchi on the right and Heatley on the left! Wow, just wow! I just don’t want to badmouth DW until the opening day roster is announced, knowing that there are still moves to be made.
Jon Casey fan since '84
Whoever cant keep their mouth closed in Ottawa
should probably lose their job.
Yes the gossip element is nice for us to think/talk about, but we all know being a gossip isnt DW’s style.
Maybe it was the Ottawa GM. Perhaps his speech impediment “ith getting uth into thith Meth”
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
One last roll of the dice before we take the next decade off to rebuild?
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Precisely, but the problem with holding onto Marleau if/when Heatley comes over is that you have no one in the system to rebuild.
You’re right when you say “take the next decade off to rebuild.” That imagery is just brutal. Kudos!
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as an A's fan
I already know how brutal it will be. oi!
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As someone who lives in the Bay Area
I know how brutal it will be.
Seriously, I think the Sharks are the only team that’s not rebuilding.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
Seriously, I think the Sharks are the only team that’s not rebuilding.
YET.
resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com. Endorsed by Mr. K on "CINCODEMYOOR!!!!!" Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Amazing how one word is so frightening.
And I really don’t want the Bay Area sports teams to go 6 for 6 on the rebuilding status. That would just be sad.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
very very sad
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Rebuilding
The team has “rebuilt” a few times in the past.
The first real instance was probably the player revolt that cost Kevin Constantine his job. The team had that awful 10 win season in Season 5 before recovering. Then there was the Owen Nolan trade, which resulted in a Conference Finals Appearance.
It could be dark, but look at the Division: Anaheim and Dallas are largely moving sideways, rather than forward or backward. Phoenix is a mess. LA is probably the team with the most upside. The Sharks can still be competitive, even if they are “rebuilding.” Imagine the worst case scenario (assuming the Heatley trade doesn’t happen): Patty and Nabby are allowed to walk next season, and Joe and Cheech walk the season after that. If the Sharks can hold on to Seto and Pavs, there’s still some talent there. Vlasic and Boyle are still on your blue line. There’d be cap space to bring in guys, and construct a competitive team. Without Joe, the team is probably not elite, but at some point, you have to be like Detroit and build your franchise from the ground up.
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We will have to rebuild, but I think we still have a good shot at the playoffs
We will be more of an underdog though. Like a 5th-8th seed I think.
some one help me out here...
I’ve read a couple places that the 3 or 4 million bonus that Ottawa gave heatley at the deadline isn’t really a bonus as much as it is a salary advance in a way, so the cap hit would be 7.5 minus that bonus. I’m was just wondering if anyone knew how that actually works out. in a perfect world this would be the case, but I’m not too sure about if that’s the way it works.
I’m off to golf so I can’t get into all the details, but all that 4 million bonus entails is that San Jose will not pay him $4 M.
His cap hit will be $7.5 M for the duration of his time spent in San Jose.
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: in no way, shape, or form do I want Dany Heatley and his contract to be on the Sharks.
If this ends up happening, I reserve the right to swear like a sailor and call for DW’s head.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
I’m with you … but … if we don’t give up too much and he helps us win the Cup … then I reserve the right to love Heatley … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 5, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Cue whatever feeling you feel is appropriate.

resident cartoonist @couchtarts.blogspot.com. Endorsed by Mr. K on "CINCODEMYOOR!!!!!" Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
uh … is she sucking on something?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 5, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
DW is a pretty man
But I don’t think he’d like being called a woman. Also, he is screaming and pulling his head off by the looks of it. Heh. I don’t even know what i drew!
(yeah, I know it doesn’t really look like him but I was in class and didn’t have reference to look at)
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wow ! still looks female to me … I must be losing it … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 6, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
I do tend to prefer drawing women to men, so, I’m sure that has an effect on things. It may seem weird but artists really do prefer to draw one sex over the other. It varies which we chose, but it works out like that.
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When you put it that way.....
The Heatley day seems much less worth it. I still do prefer the Sharks going after Patrick Sharp or Phil Kessel (RUN!!!!) as they are both cheaper and (at least Kessel) is REALLY young. But, I have faith Wilson can get a deal done with Heatley without being that far over the cap.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 5, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions
However this works out...
No matter if Heatley comes here or not, we all need to get to praying that the injury bug wont hit us at all this season. If Heatley comes with Cheech and Ehrhoff going the other way, I can see us just covering the lines with
1) Heatley-Thornton-Seto
2) Marleau-Pavs-Clowe
3) Michalek-Mitchell-McGinn
4) Staubitz-Nicol-Shelley
Regardless of coming or not, we’re trading 1 winger for another, which does nothing for our depth. Cheech at least has shown the willingness to drop down lines when he isn’t playing well. Could you see that happening with Heatley?
I could, but we are in the same trouble as before. We will have a second line payed winger, dropped to the third line. And, since he is getting paid more than Cheechoo, it probably will not work. But, on the same token, he could still put up good numbers on the third line, unlike Cheech.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 5, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I love these lines!!!
I wish it wasn’t Cheech going but I actually would want Michalek gone instead, just because of his huge contract. Cheech at least if he stays and is on the 2nd or 1st line he can produce like he did back in 05-06. But these lines have a GOOD balance of power. I really want to know WHO is this 3rd team going to be?
These lines can't really happen.
If the D was Blake, Boyle, Vlasic, Huskins, Lukowich, Murray and Nabby in goal with Greiss as the back up, the Sharks would be over the cap by 3 mil. Thats over the cap without any reserve players.
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
About to post that
And, to everyone else, please use this cap calculator before posting drool-worthy lines. Especially because I’ve found that most people are posting lines that exceed the cap by millions of dollars.
Yeah, just a pet peeve that’s been bugging me the past few weeks.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Yeah.
I remember you mentioned something about a cap calculator so I googled it. Quite interesting stuff! (A team of Joe Thornton alone is under the cap! No way! and yes I actually calculated it…)
-The dude responsible for this mess
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Some Points to consider
1 – Dany Heatley is 28, and Joe is 31 which means that worry about youth is somewhat irrelevant for at least 3 years, I consider getting more propects in the pipe a problem for another year.
2 – Michalek is pretty much untradable due to the length of his contract combined with his current market value (read “low”)
3 – If the deal is to be done Marleau (extremely valuable), Cheecoo (salary dump), and Erhoff (somewhat valuable) will have to be leaving, obviously not all to Ottawa. But 2 of the 3 going to Ottawa and the third leaving in exchange for cap space and depth.
All that said I don’t know if I like that or not… I guess it would depend on what the return for the second part of the deal would be.
I understand the worry about the salary cap, but long term what is the problem? If the Sharks land Heatley, two out of three of Cheechoo/Ehrhoff/Michalek will be gone as part of the trade. There is $7 mil right there. So the Sharks bring up another Wocherster player for the minimum. Heatley+WorShark = (about) Cheechoo+Ehrhoff as far as salary goes. As far as talent? Ill take Heatley and WorShark any day. The third guy will probably get moved to another team for a pick, another $3mil free. Thats enough for to fill out the roster.
Next year Nabby’s $5 mil comes off the roster, replaced by Greiss or another cheap alternative (which was going to happen sooner or later). This is almost certainly Rob Blake’s last year. Pavs and Seto are RFA’s? Look, I love Joe Pavelski, but this is Dany freakin Heatley. If it comes down to choosing between Pavs and Heatley, Ill take Heatley every time even with the salary discrepancy. I know, heresy, but c’mon, lets not overvalue our own guys.
Now, if Marleau is part of the deal, this is a lateral move, at best.
I agree!! Pavs is NOT the future of this team.
Everyone wants role players over Heatley? Would you turn down Alexander the great cuz his contract is high? Now mind you Heatley isent on OV’s level, but he’s just a notch down. Plus Joe and Patty are way better then Spezza and Alfie.
Remember the season is long. If this team needs something in bad way. I’m sure they will get it before the playoffs start. Who knows…Nabby could be in on the trade…you never know. So If we get Heatley and Halak or Price back that’s pretty good…also shredding cap. The one good thing this team has done over the years is manage to pull of some great trades.
by syc on Aug 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
fyi everybody
role players are what get you to the cup. Lack of role player scoring has been our playoff problem.
Uh
No one was scoring enough in the last go-round of playoffs. If getting to the cup was such a tried-and-true formula, why are there still 29 teams that don’t win the cup every year?
Jon Casey fan since '84
because not all teams have the fortune/smarts to find the right mix of things they need. One of the things generally considered to be most important is lower line scoring, as the game tightens up in the postseason. They basically made no scoring contribution in the last playoffs, and not so much in the previous few go-rounds either. There’s no single tried and true formula, but barring an insanely hot goaltender, 3-4 balanced lines seems to almost always be key.
The role players thing was also a problem during the regular season, when even strength scoring was atrocious and the top 2 lines were doing all the heavy lifting. The teams that continued in the playoffs when we did not all had a much more balanced attack. In my book I choose role players over heatley for that reason. Not in every single circumstance, but in our current position.
I think someone said it in another post
but like the MLB playoffs, the NHL playoffs can be, and often are a crapshoot. If the best team on the ice and on paper (San Jose circa 2008-2009, anyone?) can get bounced in the first round by a hot goaltender and timely scoring, then what’s the answer? Sure, you can have 3-4 balanced lines that score during the regular season, but the playoffs are different. You don’t get 82 games to work out the kinks and figure out how to beat what is essentially a lucky team. All you can do is have the best players on the ice, and hope that they can score more goals than the other team.
There are plenty of things that a convoluted analysis of the last 50 years of playoff hockey will show are necessary to winning the Cup, but as we all found out in the Spring, the other team being a bit more fortunate can dash all hopes for a championship.
by Chicago Shark on Aug 6, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
well
i think that’s a bit revisionist, considering how bad the Sharks were playing heading into the playoffs. With their end of season record and play, I don’t think we were correct to consider them the best team on ice and paper. If the playoffs had begun earlier in the season when the team was playing well and we had suffered the same result, then I think I could be swayed to your argument. until then, I think the problems are visible and better role players are needed more than better stars.
besides, isn’t it better to try to fix perceived holes than to just say, “well we never know what will happen anyway!” and just trade for big names?
All I'm saying is
we’ve been fixing perceived holes for years with nothing to show for it. Chalk it up to bad luck, different holes or what have you, but it seems like maybe it would be time for a different strategy.
by Chicago Shark on Aug 6, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree. I disagree VEHEMENTLY
Pavelski is cheap, consistently getting better, and has a loyalty to the organization. He’s one of the guys that always goes out on the ice and plays his heart out, whether the team is dominating 7-1, protecting a 2-1 lead late in the third, or trailing. Yeah, he’s not going to post 50 goal seasons, but he will be good for around 60 points every year, maybe even more – nobody knows what the ceiling is with him. He’s miles ahead of Heatley defensively already, and only has 2 1/2 years in the NHL under his belt.
I know that Heatley is a better player, but in a cap world, you need cheap players to compliment the big contract guys. The Sharks already have four big contracts in Thornton, Marleau, Boyle, and Nabokov – what they need are more cheap players, not $7.5M for five year players.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
I agree with mymclife disagreeing vehemently.
I know people would hate to admit it, but JOE PA is vital to the present and future of the Sharks. He will be the Captain in the future, and is our future first line center. I do not want to sacrifice our future entirely to get Heatley. However, there are ways to get him without giving up JOE PA or Seto, two vital pieces to our present and future core.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me preface this by saying I don't know too much about how salary rules go
Can someone, like Marleau, renegotiate a contract this year to perhaps add another year and take less this year? Or can you not renegotiate contracts?
Personally, I think Patty would take a pay cut this year to help the team financially. I don’t see why this kind of thing wouldn’t or shouldn’t be allowed.
Anyone know about this?
The CBA does not allow players to renegotiate contracts. Believe me, I’d love it if players could do so, because then situations like Kyle McLaren’s won’t happen, but I can see too many GMs try and take advantage of it.
Fortunately, Marleau is a UFA next year and probably will take a large paycut then.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Good point
I like role players anyway..I see that as " TEAM" players. Heatley can score a ton true. But the team chemistry we have is unbelievable. Pavs should stay.
"It's the small things in life....and football."
Unbelievable chemistry didn’t really get us all that far in the playoffs… just saying.
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Thank you for saying that
Just like all the Cup rings we have in the locker room…Doesn’t necessarily add up to much. Just speculation, but would we rather DW always have the future in mind and keep having playoff letdowns, or give up some pieces for a really legitimate shot at a championship. I know that oversimplifies things, but if Heatley helps us get a Cup, I can live with losing some of our future pieces. Face it, in the salary cap age, dynasties will be hard to come by (unless you’re Detroit).
by Chicago Shark on Aug 5, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
but if Heatley helps us get a Cup, I can live with losing some of our future pieces.
I’m completely on board with this- if trading for Heatley brings a Cup to San Jose this season, to hell with the future. I will take the Cup and enjoy it.
However, my concern is that DW is essentially throwing all his eggs into one basket this season. I think he feels as if this is his last shot to prove to ownership that he can ice a playoff winner, and therefore scrambling a bit.
The line between playoff success and failure is about as fine as they get. This postseason proved that secondary scoring depth is instrumental in a deep run. Bringing Heatley on board does very little to improve that aspect of San Jose’s game.
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I think DW hasn’t done any scrambling so far this offseason. If he trades for Heatley and more some young roster players (outside of cheech and erhoff) go in exchange, I would agree.
I would disagree that secondary scoring was the issue with anaheim last year… but scoring in general. Only Marleau and Boyle had more than one goal. And watching the games i always felt the oppurtunities (which were rare) were squandered. Heatley would help with that. Heatley led playoff scoring one year with that stiff Spezza distributing the puck.
No doubt
Heatley would help with scoring, but let’s not get too hasty. I don’t want to get the cup for a year when we could be on the verge of having it many years to come. If we can get a player under the cap to help overcome our playoff hiccups, great. I just don’t want to sell out the future for one year of success( as great as it would be) Does it need to be Heatley?
"It's the small things in life....and football."
I think the salary cap
makes dynasties a lot less likely these days. Given our rosters the last few years, we’ve definitely had what it takes to win everything, but we’ve won nothing. We had a shot for a dynasty starting the year before the lockout and perhaps peaking next year, but we blew it each year.
I feel the same way, I would love to see us get two or three in a row, but I don’t think it’s realistic for our organization at this point. I would take one year of success before the inevitable rebuilding than another 5 seasons of great regular seasons and short playoffs followed by rebuilding.
by Chicago Shark on Aug 6, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Well....
With the cap hit on Heatley, rebuilding is going to be in our future anyway.
"It's the small things in life....and football."
True,
bringing in Heatley just moves the rebuilding phase up a year.
I think the funny thing about all this is that it’s rampant speculation. Nowhere (as far as I know, and as far as the “Cone of GM Silence” has been working) has DW or anyone from the Sharks come out and said we’re still chasing Heatley, or there’s a deal imminent. I mean, for all we know, DW could have stopped courting him after the initial offer of Cheech and Ehrhoff was rejected. We have the rumors of some bloggers to tell us that we’re heavily pursuing Heatley, and it seems everyone has picked that up and run with it. You know what would not really surprise me? If this time next week Heatley was still on the Senators, and the Sharks had really been negotiating with some other team to move Cheech, Ehrhoff, Lukowich and/or Milan.
by Chicago Shark on Aug 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
From the article on Chris Neil
found here
San Jose GM Doug Wilson isn’t willing to satisfy Senators GM Bryan Murray’s demands for a top-six forward off the club’s roster.
I guess this means that Michalek is safe, right? I like his contract, though I would move him for a good return.
Jon Casey fan since '84
I think they just meant that was for Neil. I mean, a TOP SIX for a bottom six with scoring potential, is pushing it. Not sure if it is the same in the Heatley situation.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 6, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, that wasn't clear
It is about Dany Heatley. It was imbedded in the article about Chris Neil’s request to find out why DH wants out of Ottawa.
Jon Casey fan since '84
Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, I guess MM is safe.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yahoo Sports, under rumors, is saying the Sharks are close to a deal with the Sens. And the source: HockeyBuzz. Tell me, doesn’t PD and Yahoo rail on Eklund for inaccuracies?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 6, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions
I’m pretty sure the news reports and PD are separate departments. Wyshynski doesn’t write the rumors for Yahoo’s main NHL page, unless Yahoo went through some major budget cuts recently.
Now, you can follow my uninteresting life on Twitter.
I know, but it is just surprising to see Eklund be cited as a credible source.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Aug 8, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions

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