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I've been putting this off for much too long, but today is an especially pertinent day to look into it as both Jody Shelley and Brad Staubitz returned, on Saturday against Edmonton, from injuries that were sustained roughly one and a half months ago. During that time Frazer McLaren fulfilled the role of fourth line winger/enforcer for the San Jose Sharks, and in this author's opinion, proved that he was deserving of a starting spot on the roster over his two counterparts.

We've debated the merits of all three of these players over the last few months, most notably at the start of the season, and I think the fanbase is fairly split-- some feel that the veteran presence of Jody Shelley is the most beneficial, as he provides the nuclear deterrent necessary for the team's impressive cast of skill players to play their game; others enjoy Brad Staubitz's ability to throw down with opposing skaters who are out of Shelley's weight class (and therefore wouldn't fight him), along with his relatively superior skating and shooting ability. And then there are those who prefer Frazer McLaren who, despite his lack of a yellow visor, has managed to provide a steady presence on the fourth line.

While I may be going into this with a bias (as I have mentioned in previous articles as well as this one, I prefer McLaren over both Staubitz and Shelley), the statistics I provide today will hopefully paint a clearer picture of what the San Jose Sharks can reasonably expect out of these three players going forward. An article from the end of last season entitled "Should Jody Shelley Dress In April?" would be a good prelude to this piece if you have the time today, as it outlines some notable areas I look for in players who skate on the fourth line. The thought process is as follows:

There's three basic tenets I look for in the shutdown lines, and those (along with a brief discussion of them) follow:

1) Penalty Differential. Taking bad penalties can turn the tides very quickly, and drawing a penalty can inject life into a team. Probably the most important thing to look for in enforcers, and important in analyzing other skaters as well. If a guy is taking stupid penalties and not contributing on the scoresheet, there's not much room for him out there on the ice.

2) Well Roundedness. Does he play on the penalty kill or power play? Also, I'm not sure "roundedness" is even a word, but it works here so we're rolling with it.

3) Statistics. How well does a player keep the puck out of the net when on the ice, and are they contributing on the scoresheet? Are they facing good competition or being thrown out against other non-scoring lines? It's not very likely that our shutdown line will be scoring goals very often, so clamping down on defense and cycling the puck is their utmost priority. That being said, goals from our bottom lines are a huge addition to the team, and could definitely be the difference in a tightly contested series.

- "Should Jody Shelley Dress In April?"

Star-divide

With that outlined, let's take a look at the relevant statistics and see if they are able to illuminate the areas that these three players need to be excelling at.


EV Penalties Drawn vs. Taken

PLAYER
GP
TOI
Drawn
Taken
Drawn/60
Taken/60
Dif/60
Jody Shelley
18 6:06 2 7 1.1 3.8 -2.7
Brad Staubitz
16 6:28 2 6 1.2 3.5 -2.3
Frazer McLaren
23 5:57 2 1 0.9 0.4 +0.5

I think is one of the better ones to look at when it comes to your enforcer, and the results are pretty straightforward. Brad Staubitz, as we know, is prone to taking dumb penalties-- it's not a product of solely this season either, as his results from last year (along with Shelley's) are also in the negative.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Shelley is an extreme liability on the ice in terms of penalties taken (Staubitz is horrendous and was last season), but in a highly magnified playoff series, which is what management should be looking at when composing their lineup, it's an area that raises a red flag-- and consequently, one that gives McLaren a clear edge.

None of the three players play a substantial amount on the penalty kill (with Frazer being the lone ranger in this category, logging a herculean 0:04 per game shorthanded), so we will now move on to some general statistics.


EV General

PLAYER
GP
QCOMP
G
A
PTS
PTS/60
GFON/60
GAON/60
DIF/60
Jody Shelley
18 -0.192 0 3 3 1.64 2.73 1.64 +1.09
Brad Staubitz
16 -0.174 2 2 4 2.32 2.32 2.32 0
Frazer McLaren
23 -0.099 1 5 6 2.65 3.54 0.88 +2.66

Once again, Frazer McLaren has a leg up in nearly every conceivable category. He's facing slightly more difficult competition (although, admittedly, it's still against pluggers), his points per 60 minutes of ice time is superior, he's been on the ice for a greater rate of goals for, and most importantly, he has done a much better job with his linemates of keeping the puck out of the net.

Along with that, McLaren has established some chemistry with Torrey Mitchell, as they have managed to generate good scoring chances in their limited time together, as well as compliment each other on the low cycle. While McLaren isn't as experienced of a fighter as Jody Shelley is, the aforementioned piece I did for Fear The Fin shows that a very small amount of fisticuffs occur during the postseason, making it nearly irrelevant. Also, and this is probably opening a can of worms that will unfortunately steer the conversation away from the topic of McLaren vs. Shelley/Staubitz, I'm not sure I completely buy into the fact that a team needs a "heavyweight" to be successful during the course of the regular season. I love a good scrap as much as anybody, and would hate to see it go from the game-- it serves an intangible purpose that can swing momentum as well as protect the skilled players on your roster to some degree. But, and this is the key here, what good does it do for two heavyweights to drop the gloves the shift following a player like Corey Perry taking a run at Patrick Marleau? The heavyweight (in this case Shelley) isn't providing retribution for the initial hit-- all he's doing is trading knuckles with another goon (Parros), a goon he may have possibly fought during the game anyways. Does this really dissuade Perry from stepping over the line? I'm not sure it does, and when a lineup decision is made at the expense of on-ice performance (look at Shelley's ice time in the last two playoff runs), it makes you scratch your head a bit.

At any rate-- McLaren provides the San Jose Sharks with a big body on that fourth line, one that's able to handle himself in front of the net, provide an enforcer role, and is superior in the relevant statistical categories. So why isn't he on the team now?

The same reason Jason Demers was sent to Stockton following the Phoenix game, and the same reason the Worcester Shuttle (damn right it's a proper noun) has been running all season-- dancing with the salary cap ceiling. We've beat this to death over the course of the last three months so I'm going to save everyone the trouble of another explanation, but at the end of the day it's a shame McLaren won't be able to practice and play with the team because he doesn't fit in monetarily-- I doubt he was sent down because of his play, and if he was, that's an asset assessment issue I have with team management. I doubt that is the case obviously, but it's still a statement I feel compelled to make.

A large part of me thinks that trading Shelley or Staubitz for a low round draft choice (7th, if need be) would be a good solution to this issue, and if that doesn't work, send Staubitz through waivers to Worcester and live with it if he gets claimed on the way down. My gut tells me he wouldn't considering the fact that former Shark Brad Lukowich made it through both entry and re-entry waivers (where a team would be able to get him at half the price, i.e. the same way San Jose acquired Jay Leach), and Staubitz is by no means as established as Luko (although he would be cheaper, which is a definite plus).* I'm not sure he fits in with the long term plans of the organization at this point considering the various other options for lower line wingers once next season rolls around, and Jay Leach's inclusion on the blueline makes having him as a "safety net" this year for injuries in warm ups doesn't make too much sense to me either. If Wilson is adamant on saving as much cap space as he can, carry no healthy scratch forwards once Malhotra returns and make a move with one of Shelley/Staubitz.

*Note that Staubitz would not be subject to re-entry waivers, as he has a two-way contract and does not make more than $105 K in the AHL. It's a one-time risk to send him down, and no team would be lured to pick him up for half the price.

Before anyone gets ready to hammer on their keyboards, no, I'm not saying send Shelley down-- he's been in the bigs for way too long, and that service should be honored by either playing out his contract or trading him to another team that desires his services. To stash him in the minors is bush league in my opinion (and a large reason why I think the shenanigans in Vancouver with Mathieu Schneider are a freaking joke that may come back to bite Mike Gillis in the ass). Staubitz, on the other hand, played in the AHL last season, and isn't exempt from this type of transaction when approaching it from the merits of tenure.

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Briefly touching on the Demers to Stockton situation-- I'm pumped beyond belief. In fact, I even wanted to use an exclamation point there but decided against it because I only enjoy using them with a hint of sarcasm included. I fucking hate exclamation points. They are worse than the Oilers.

Anyways, if the Sharks are able to run the Worcester Shuttle to Stockton (which, ironically, is an affiliate of the Oilers) with their entry-level players, then it saves a ton of mileage and leaves lack of practice time with San Jose the only outstanding issue. We've voiced our frustration and concern on this before, and the possibility of an inter-state travel option does a lot to stymie that. Great job Doug Wilson, I want to have your babies!

Prediction: Sharks win 6-3. A pair of hat tricks from Staubitz and Shelley, who proceed to make this post the most irrelevant thing since Joaquin Phoenix announced the start of his rapping career.

 

Go Sharks.

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People on the Sharks who can drop the gloves

Joe Thornton
Ryane Clowe
Manny Malhotra
Scott Nichol
Frazer McLaren
Jay Leach
Douglas Murray

Obviously, we don’t want any of these guys doing it on a regular basis, but we do have guys who can and will step up for the team come playoffs. Stauby and Shelly make for great roster depth, and there are certain games its good to plug them in. Every team that wins a Stanley Cup has those “Black Aces” that your roster needs to be successful for 82 games and then 16 wins in the spring.

Their dumb penalties sometimes upset us, but I think no matter where you fall on the Jody Shelley split, no one doubts that he cares about this team.

As for Brad Staubitz, I really think the best thing for him is to go to Worcester and get playing time. When he steps out on the ice, it’s clear he’s trying to make an impact on the game. At the NHL level, it seems the best way he knows how to do that is by throwing down. I would hope some playing time in the AHL, and some close work with coach Roy Sommer, will help mold him into a better professional. He has all the tools to be a Ryane Clowe/Frazer McLaren type player, he needs to get it together between the ears.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 3:22 AM PST reply actions  

As for Brad Staubitz, I really think the best thing for him is to go to Worcester and get playing time. When he steps out on the ice, it’s clear he’s trying to make an impact on the game. At the NHL level, it seems the best way he knows how to do that is by throwing down. I would hope some playing time in the AHL, and some close work with coach Roy Sommer, will help mold him into a better professional. He has all the tools to be a Ryane Clowe/Frazer McLaren type player, he needs to get it together between the ears.

I agree, although at the age of 25 he’s getting out of the “prospect” range. At how much we’re paying him I’m not adverse to having him in the system at the AHL level this year and next if he doesn’t crack the big club out of camp, but after that you might be better off cutting ties with him to give a younger player an opportunity to progress his game. I would put Ryan Vesce in that same boat.

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What I find interesting

after wading through your particularly in depth and detailed analysis (thank you, sir) is that you confirmed my gut feeling the other night. As the game started and I realized Staubitz and Shelley were starting, a little voice in the back of my head said, “Huh, I’m not so sure I like this.” Now I know why.

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 4:34 AM PST reply actions  

Mr. Valentine I have missed you around these parts. I think Boucher’s release put a major dent in our relationship— we need a new man crush to reignite the flame, because I don’t think Mafia Wars on Facebook is going to cut it.

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, man

I missed you too. And by the way Bouch is playing, I think he misses it in SJ…

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

DAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ll encur the wrath of Plank (with whom I normally agree about exclamation marks) to say, “Welcome back!”

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Jan 4, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm embarassed.

All I can say is that the rumors of my demise have been greatly exagerated

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

And following the third month of the season, he rose again.

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmmm … weird … you and Rudy Kelly return from no where land on the same day … people will talk ya know … :)

(missed you too)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Jan 4, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not talking

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

My son....

How are you?

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty good.

However that last comment you made me laugh because it sounded like a dying voice in my head. (I think that’s just me though)

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Back to School, Back to school, to prove to dad that I’m not a fool

Im Bill Romanowski, EAT MY STEROIDS OR ILL EAT YOUR F***ING BRAINS!!

by SLOSharks on Jan 4, 2010 6:54 AM PST reply actions  

ugh! I’m going to have to read this when I’m more awake and able to deal with this is my first day back at work after a week and half off. In my current half-awake, I don’t want to go to work mood, I can barely muster a “go sharks” with passion.

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Jan 4, 2010 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

Go Sharks!

"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby

by 49er16 on Jan 4, 2010 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

guts and needed skills

OK still learning how to get into this thing(no spellcheck either

Great write up and you are correct on Mc Larens greater skill set than Shelley and that is needed along with his fists. Will still need Shelley tho for some of the real cement heads.

Someone said who can fight – a wildcard that would be nice come playoffs, ala Iginla, take a peek at MArleau’s career fight record…he doesnt drop much and ; he doesnt lose when he does. Now that he has kids tho he may be done but wouldnt that , and three hat tircks, make up for the bunny hop bigtime

LAst – thru Dec 31 we are below 500 against the Best in West whereas Chicago is 14-10 – we need the third and fourth to be skilled and players not penalty takers so Staubitz needs more minor work.

by mret on Jan 4, 2010 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

I think

That the morale can have a boost that doesn’t reflect in the numbers. How do these numbers look, say, the two shifts after these guys are out on the ice? I bet Shelley gets more out of the next-up than does Staubitz or McClaren.

Don’t get me wrong, I think McClaren is great. I think Staubitz still has some work to be done, but he’s got some talent there that can easily be hammered into something great for the team. Shelley’s veteran presence, as you noted, can do a lot to lift the team just because of how hard he works in the ways that don’t make it to the scoresheet. Does he deserve a roster spot during the Playoffs? Maybe not, if McClaren can keep up his numbers, but I’m not calling anything until I see the new blood perform under that extra pressure.

Bottom line, the ‘grit’ folk are important; I don’t see Staubitz filling a role that McClaren can’t, but I’m not sure either of them can fill Shelley’s shoes. He fits into a role that is certainly fading from the NHL, I think, but can still provide a push that other things — yes, even scoresheet-related things — just can’t quite account for.

by xarexerax on Jan 4, 2010 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

The numbers on shifts immediately following the 4th-liners could be interesting

as it could possibly indicate the sort of momentum swings that the “energy line” is supposed to inject into a team (i’d say that effect could even be more important than the few points they do contribute on the scoresheet). That being said, and taking into account the good point made by elvis about how our roster has a handful of guys across all lines that will engage in fisticuffs if need be, McLaren has so far proved superior. One statistic that was included in the excellent analysis that does relate to an energy/momentum standpoint is the penalty drawn/taken ratio…. there’s nothing like putting your team on the PK to sap the energy of lines 1 and 2 for the next 2 minutes, and Not Kyle has been outstanding in not taking penalties. He gets my vote.

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by workthecycle on Jan 4, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Big Not Kyle fan since last season

I like Staubitz and Shelley too, but I think McLaren would be a better choice that Staubitz in this case. Staubby can tighten up his game in Woostah and come back when he’s a little less penalty prone.

To the point of Shelley not fighting Corey Perry and his ilk, and taking on Parros instead: Corey Perry, like Ott, is more of a girl than Princess Pony Pants and would rather run than drop the gloves.

I really dislike it when players do that. I realize not everyone is a fighter, but we’ve seen VLASIC rumble for poop’s sake! Vlasic! When he’ll drop the gloves, and a guy like Perry won’t, it borders on beyond ridiculous.

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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

However, I think my grandmother would gladly drop with Daniel Briere. If Perry declined against a paper mache bunny, then we’d have something.

by mepex on Jan 4, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it a mean looking bunny?

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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Can't be meaner than this bunny

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn you!!! Stealing my rabbit mojo!!!

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by Diamondback15 on Jan 4, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

However, I think my grandmother would gladly drop with beat the tar out of Daniel Briere.

Fixed.

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair to Perry

Not something I would normally do, he has dropped the gloves with people. Notably our own Joe Pavelski in the playoffs, so he’s not totally opposed to scraps, he’s just not going to fight guys like Shelley, and I don’t really blame him, I sure as hell wouldn’t either.

Pickles fight was against Briere. It’s not like he dropped the gloves with Cote or Carcillo.

by Evilducks on Jan 4, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh

Joe Pavelski fought Ryan Whitney. (I’ve watched that fight several times. I think it’s funny.)

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh right

That was hilarious.

Still, he does fight… but according to his Hockeyfights.com fight card he loses nearly all of them.

Hey, Rivet pummeled his ass not too long ago. Good for Rivet.

by Evilducks on Jan 4, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Rivet beat up Perry AND Ott so he’s my favorite non-shark.

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't Pavs Vs. Perry

But Perry has fought in his career. I think the team wanted him to fight less because he’s a scorer. Still, he brings the feisty.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it wasn't exactly a heavyweight bought

But Pickles HAS fought. He’s little but the kid has spunk. I just think if you’re going to be an ass on the ice, that’s fine, but you’d better be ready to fight too.

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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

When did the kings drop to 8th in the west?

I though they were top-5 in the west and pretty much right on our asses for the Pacific… stupid holidays interrupting my custom of checking the standings 14 times a day… grrrr…

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by workthecycle on Jan 4, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis Plank

It’s funny how my loyalty to players clouds my judgement at times…after looking at these numbers I’m definitely looking at these guys differently.

by AfroPuff on Jan 4, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

I don't even have to click the link

I know that’s the Tootoo fight.

I still love that fight, but watching Stauby look on from the penalty box as the other team scores does a lot to erase that good will.

by Evilducks on Jan 4, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That fight is Staubitz's most enduring legacy but,

I’m sure it bias’ everyone’s overall judgment of him, including my own.

1 – McLaren
2 – Shelly
3 – Staubitz

by Mr Tea on Jan 4, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

eggsellent read (sez Mr. Burns)

I think exclamations points are a great way to read just the last two words as the author intended ! That’s one place where the Spanish language beats English; ¡besame culo!

Great article Mr. Plank. I felt a twinge of sorrow seeing Demers and McLaren send down for Shelley and Staubitz. There are things each player brings to the ice; but if I were responsible for assembling the team, I would have likely sent Staubitz to Worchester to hone his game and get better and let Shelley back in to see what he’s got. His presence is undeniable; whether or not he wins a battle; he’s got some fire in his belly but it can also be a distraction at times. The thing about McLaren is he’s very young and seemingly fearless; I cringed when he went up against Parros fearing he’d bust a wrist trying to connect with that molester-mustache that Parros chooses to wear.

I think I like what Demers brings to the team more than any of the tough guys and picking a tough guy, I’ll take F.Mac.

I'll drink that! oh...I'll drink TO that.

by theneverman on Jan 4, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Times like these...

make me miss Semenov again. Remember when he was temporary enforcer last year? Good times.
He got three fighting majors and two roughings!

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah

and I’m pretty sure that was for 5 fights

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saw this on TSN..

he Sharks have won eight in a row, killing 29 straight penalties over the last five.

Wow – didn’t realize we killed 29 in a row.

by Ivano M on Jan 4, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Huh

Is that accurate? Seems pretty stellar, but then again, our PK has been shining lately …

by xarexerax on Jan 4, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That stretch of course includes at least one 5-on-3 I remember, featuring Ovechkin out there for three minutes.

Someone’s been working hard.

by Ivano M on Jan 4, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I had no idea either— I’ve sort of taken the PK for granted this season. They truly have done an excellent job, in large part to the goaltending (not to disparage the entire unit of course).

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's time we move on from Shelley

BUT WE’LL LEAVE THAT UP TO PALIN MASK

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 4, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

There are a couple of other things that I look for in the 4th line besides the ones you mentioned Plank.

Energy: I look at the 3rd and 4th lines as energy lines that can infuse energy into a ho-hum team (JR was a perfect example of this). Whether its a big hit, a scoring chance, or just a really good shift, I want these lines to inspire a team to fight to the bitter end.

Shutdown role: Now, obviously I’m not going to ask them to shutdown the top line, but maybe the second or third line. I like a good combination speed, toughness, and defensive smarts to fill this role. Even if they can’t match up with the opposing line, I’d at least like them to give a few good hits and throw them off their game a little, then go for a line change, basically hem them in their zone for a little bit.

I haven’t paid much attention to the 4th line this year, so I don’t know how to compare these three in these two categories. Maybe someone else does?

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by Diamondback15 on Jan 4, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

I think that the stats I provided fulfill a good amount what you’re looking for— McLaren stays out of the box (doesn’t take energy away from the team), works well with his linemates (evidenced by his GFON/60) and keeps the puck out of the net defensively (GAON/60).

Shelley and Staubitz have more hits per 60 minutes at a casual glance, but it doesn’t seem to be a big gap— McLaren has been throwing his weight around on the forecheck.

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

At the World Juniors yesterday, the US beat Sweden 5-2 and Canada beat Switzerland 6-1 to set up a US-Canada rematch for the gold tomorrow.

I’m really excited for this game, hopefully we can steal gold from them like in 2004 and end their 5 straight gold medals at the tourney.

I think someone should set up a US-Canada gameday thread tomorrow. I think it would be fun!

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by Diamondback15 on Jan 4, 2010 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Oh boo hoo. Dare I say it’s a preview for the Winter Olympics?

/let the shit talking begin!

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by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope so. I despise Hockey Canada. I just find Canada fans somewhat arrogant.

Maybe its just a small sample size?

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by Diamondback15 on Jan 4, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If you read the commenters at TSN or Puck Daddy

Your sentiments may be justified. Otherwise, I think they’re actually a good deal more moderate; or at least as moderate as a fan base of such ridiculously stacked teams at all levels can be.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t wanna call all Canadian fans stuck-up but a lot of them seem to think it’s only possible to play hockey in Canada.

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

With the forecast for Thursday

I’m gonna be playing hockey in South Carolina…can I get an “eh?”

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by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh.....

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Jan 4, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys

They’ve won 6 in a row… I’d be stuck up about it too.

by Evilducks on Jan 4, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, not just the Juniors, they seem to be arrogant about hockey in general

Plus, they put us to shame with nationalism. I don’t know how, but they seem to put Canada is awesome into every single commercial. My dad thinks its kind of an inferiority complex. They want to be noticed as important and independent from us, but in reality they are the 51st state.

I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!

by Diamondback15 on Jan 4, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Reminds me a bit of the fervor surround the US Soccer Team before the last World Cup

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

More truth to this than you know.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Jan 4, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I’m seconding that comment

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Good idea, and that’s the plan for tomorrow morning.

Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind words from Ron Wilson today about Pavs.

Wilson chatted up his former San Jose Sharks player Joe Pavelski as “probably the best faceoff man” on the roster, adding that he might also be a valuable penalty killer.

"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby

by 49er16 on Jan 4, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

Hell yes.

Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan of having an enforcer eat up a roster spot. I’m also not a fan of Boyle playing 30 minutes each game, but that’s another discussion. However, I will take this opportunity to remind everyone of what I said back in the middle of September.

I hope McLellan finds a way to use Staubitz in a Holmstrom kind of way. I also hope that Shelley can become a PK expert, but here’s to dreaming.

Plank quickly responded that I may or may not be drunk. Alas, it was the middle of the day and I was at work, teaching students about triangles. This was all before I got to drink the McLaren-ade. That guy is awesome. He’s worth having out there because he’s got an upside beyond "beater upper of all things mustachioed". I don’t know how much room there is on the roster for Shelley and Staubitz unless they pick up a more valuable skillset.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Shelley out there, acting as a third defensemen on the PK. I wouldn’t mind seeing Staubitz out there with Nichol on an aggressive forecheck and getting in the goalie’s business. I just want something more out of the seven or so minutes a game they play.

Jon Casey fan since '84

by stufflife on Jan 4, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

About the current situation with Mclaren/Staubitz/Shelley

if it ain’t broke?

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 4, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

It ain't broke on the ice

Just on the cap. Stupid cap…

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t fix it. The Sharks had won seven games in a row with McLaren (although, admittedly, Palin mask has probably had a lot to do with it), and he had three straight games with an assist before being sent down.

Like Elvis said though, it’s all about the cap. Send Staubitz down and you have your fix.

Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Jan 4, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Solid.

Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution

by Mr. Plank on Jan 4, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I THINK TONIGHT IS THE ULTIMATE TEST FOR PALIN MASK

BUT IF THE STREAK ENDS IM BLAMING THE VALENTINE GUY SO SHES NOT GOING ANYWHERE JUST YET

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa!

WTF?

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

YOU WILL BELIEVE IN PALIN MASK

BELIEEEEVE

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 4, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It was idunno who doesn't believe in the Mask

Can’t blame the father for the sins of the son

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

BELEEEIIIIIVVVE

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 4, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

STOP USING LOGIC!

This is the part where you’re supposed to blame this team’s lack of heart on Joe and Patty and demand that Nabokov be traded and call for Doug Wilson’s head!

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

This reminds me of Bleacher Report.

(I read there, don’t ask why it’s comforting or something)

Literally almost every article there starts with how good the Sharks are, then ends how it doesn’t matter because it’s the playoffs that is important. Every now and then you get a captaincy one too. They’re already calling Rob Blake a bad captain.

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Belcher Report

What a freaking joke

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Think he'll sign X-rays?

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Jan 4, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Win!

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Jan 4, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Mann.....

Hey, I’m probably really late on this but well I’m at work…so I must work right? Well, I really wanted to like Staubie and Shelley back…but well….numbers don’t lie do they as clearly stated by Mr. Plank. And I totally agree with Dave Valentine about that little uh oh in my head about sending McLaren back to W….just not a good gut feeling…but we’ll have to see right?

"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous

by mssjsclowie29 on Jan 4, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone else attending the game tonight?

If the game goes poorly, that loud, foul mouthed sigh you hear will likely be me.

resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

I'll be there

My friends hockey team will be playing right after the game tonight. For those of you who were at FTF night, he was the loud Sharks Elf.

by fatbabies on Jan 4, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Me!

I’ll be wearing a brand new Sharks hat. Is it selfish that I don’t want there to be a hat trick? Crap now there’s going to be a hat trick…

by idunno723 on Jan 4, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You don’t have to throw YOUR hat…

resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be there...

It’s a Sharkspak A game, so I’ll be up in my nosebleeds!

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 4, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Should be a good game tonight...

… oh cool, I remember when the Kings were 1st in the West. This is the fun part of the Western Conference. Win 2 games in a row… you are in 4th overall… lose 2 and you are in 10th.

by ChrisKontos on Jan 4, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

howdy, stranger

welcome to every (well, the cool ones, anyway) Sharks fan’s second home. Don’t sit on the couch. Plank did things to it.

resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife

by CTGray on Jan 4, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

While day dreaming about Bouch
Don’t sit on the couch. Plank did things to it.

Fear the Fin....where being an old guy isn't all bad, and the 2nd round can be bad on the heart

by Dave Valentine on Jan 4, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Bouch

and TYC!

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Jan 4, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the comments you get on youtube:
hockey players shouldnt have abs cause you need body fat to store carbs for energy

simply….wow

by sharks on Jan 4, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

we still have 30 minutes … and I’m ready now

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Jan 4, 2010 6:59 PM PST reply actions  

i've been sitting here like an idiot for 90 minutes now

"Fear the Fin: where some fans chose to swathe themselves in baseless optimism all season long." -CTGray

by workthecycle on Jan 4, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Something tells me

You’re not talking about the Sharks game…. :-D

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Jan 4, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

ha ha ! I knew someone would question what I meant … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)

by ang6666 on Jan 4, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I will say one thing

Having Shelley and Staubitz on the same line is absolutely retarded

"Hopefully we won't have too many more of these losses. I like winning games." Joe Thornton
"WOW, he's totally hosed" Rob Blake

by PuckFronger on Jan 11, 2010 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

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