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Comings and goings as the season starts to get rolling

Some assorted thoughts today as the Sharks open up play overseas with a 10:30 AM scrimmage against Adler Mannheim:

1) Puck Worlds has an excellent preview of the game today-- be sure to check out the article in it's entirety, as it covers everything from the opponent to the Sharks fascination with drafting German players. You can listen to the entire game at the Sharks main site as well as 98.5 KFOX.

2) Never say never (learned that the hard way), but I think it's safe to put to rest all of the rumors flying around connecting San Jose to Minnesota in a goalie-defenseman swap. The Wild have reportedly inked Jose Threeormore Theodore to a one-year contract, meaning they have found a suitable replacement for Josh Harding for the time being. Maybe something opens up during the season between the two teams, but now? Nostranadamus.

3) Nostranadamus. I really like the ring of that, and it works on two levels-- for starters, Nostradamus was a seer who allegedly predicted a bunch of future world events before his death (the associations, of course, are likely due to individuals wrangling the text to fit the events-- in other words, the text is so vague that a loose interpretation of his predictions can fit almost anything). Since I'm predicting something here, there's a pretty solid basis for the reference. On a second level, the inclusion of the Spanish/Latin noun of "nada" in "Nostradamus" (resulting in "Nostranadamus") indicates that the individual making the prediction (me) doesn't feel that it will come true. It's either late and I think it's awesome, or it's awesome and I think I'm late. Wait, that's not right.

4) Back to Thomas Greiss-- started riffing about his situation on Twitter during a slow bus ride Wednesday afternoon. My conclusion? It's hard to think about moving him for solely prospects/picks considering he's a pretty solid goaltender who could have a lot of value at the NHL level. Al Stalock (23) and Greiss (24) are very close in age, meaning that I don't think it would result in a case of the Sharks hindering anyone's development. The goal of the organization is to produce a netminder who can provide stable minutes at the NHL level, and competition between these two players down in Worcester seems to be the best route to separate the wheat from the chaff in that regard. You see who is most capable and move on from there.

5) On that note, look at the last five years of NHL trades involving goaltenders if you have some free time today. Very limited value across the league, and Greiss is a guy who has seen only 19 games of action at this level. I'd say that his value is about as close to zero as you can get at this point-- not because he's not talented and lacks upside (over the past year my tune on Greiss has changed from skeptical to believer), but because there's just no market for him right now. Toss in the aforementioned idea that goalies net very little in return via trade and you have a situation where it's probably best to send him to Worcester and see what happens.

6) Also, let me say this-- trade proposals involving Kent Huskins are pretty far fetched in my opinion, unless you're packaging him with a guy like Ryane Clowe and/or some high level prospects, or a pure salary dump to a team who will give you peanuts (4-7th round pick) in return. There's just no need for him on any contending team right now. Maybe that changes over the course of the season, but there's a load of free agents still available on the market that can get you what Huskins will at a third of the price.

7) Reminder that the FTF Fantasy Teams will all be drafting today at 4:00 PM PST. Set a reminder on your Palm Pilot or whatever.

8) With reports that Andreas Lilja will be signing with the Sharks (David Pollak of Working The Corners reported it was not finalized, but stated, "Now, if I were into speculation, I’d speculate that I have a hard time seeing the Sharks bringing a guy to Europe, getting him on the doorstep of his native country and then telling him his services were no longer required. But I’m not the speculating kind and stranger things have happened in the NHL"), I leave you with this:

If Lilja does end up making the roster, I think you see a situation where he ends up making a league minimum salary. Jay Leach is demoted to Worcester to free up that roster slot. If that's the play the Sharks are looking at here it's a solid one-- Lilja will definitely be a better addition to the roster than Leach would be, and his credentials as a stable bottom pairing player only improves your depth in the event of injury. There's no chance San Jose gives him more than a one-year deal, which won't prevent a prospect from making the team next year...

...In essence, it's a safe play, and one that really doesn't have any drawbacks. Increase the competition level, assess your roster, and see which historically bottom-pairing defenseman is most suited to take on a role bigger than the one they're used to. It's not the guy San Jose needs, but it's a guy they could use.

Just don't expect Lilja to come in and start slaying top-end competition anytime soon.

>> "Could Andreas Lilja crack the Sharks lineup with a strong camp?", September 16th

To summarize, I like Lilja better than I like Leach, and think that the signing is a solid move for the organization to increase some lower pairing depth.

 

Go Sharks.

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Why am I up at 7:30 on a saturday….

Nice article Plank. I still think it’s odd that the team isn’t planning on letting Greiss suit up today.

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by sharks in oc on Oct 2, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

That Puck Worlds article was a good read.

I feel bad for Greiss, but I’m hoping this will all somehow work out for the best for all involved. Though I’m really unsure as to why he’s not getting a chance to play today, even if only for a sort of “sorry we’re ditching you through the regular season, pal” kind of thing. Other than the obvious “we want another look at Nitty/Niemi.”

by Auth0r on Oct 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Mad Men

Anyone who references Mad Men and Christina Hendricks is perfectly okay in my book.

by TnSD11 on Oct 2, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I really wish Griess would get a chance. At the moment, I see him as a much more solid 1B than Niemi, and that’s pretty significant. I do understand why Niemi is starting in Germany… so far, he has sucked. For some reason though, a lot of people seem to think that Niemi will be our starter, and that he’s going to be helping us win the Cup. I see Nitty (and possibly Griess) doing much more than he will, at least at the beginning.

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by Bockerz on Oct 2, 2010 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Nitty is a much better fit for us right now, because he tends to hang on to the puck more. So far it seems like rebounds are going to be deadly for this team. I hope Niemi can give us some quality starts and that the team can adapt to his style of play, but it’s not there yet.

by Auth0r on Oct 2, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Griess

competition between these two players down in Worcester seems to be the best route to separate the wheat from the chaff

This is the best point I’ve seen rationalizing the question of why Griess isn’t in the mix vs Neimi vs Nitti. Let the man develop and if he or Stalock shines brighter, we may need him later in the season.

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by theneverman on Oct 2, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m just not sure Greiss can get much more out of the AHL. He needs to be getting NHL starts.

Also, isn’t he subject to waivers if we wanna send him down? Becuause if he is, then he won’t make it to Worcester.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we end up losing both Greiss AND Moore when sending them down to the AHL—because we picked up Niemi and (presumably) Lilja—that’s going to be one hell of a kick to the gut.

by Timorous Me on Oct 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Hoping we’re going to be able to keep Greiss and Stalock. Also, I doubt we lose Greiss without at least getting SOMETHING back. Sending him through waivers would notbe very smart.

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by ninakix on Oct 2, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adler vs. Sharks

The Sharks website is saying the game will be broadcast on their site, in German. So there will be video with German announcers on there, and the KFOX crew providing English commentary via radio.

Puck Worlds: Chasing Pucks from here to Turku.

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by Bruce Peter on Oct 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

CLICK HERE FOR THE GAME

I’ve got a GD FanShot on Puck Worlds where I’ll be updating the game, as well as the Bruins vs. Belfast.

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by Bruce Peter on Oct 2, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else having serious issues trying to view the game

Erlich for President

by SharksFanTillDeath on Oct 2, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the stream went down for a bit but now it’s back up.

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by idunno723 on Oct 2, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Talk about ridiculous

Feed works the rest of the game and its tied in shootout…then it goes out. Feels like I totally wasted my time watching 2 periods plus OT plus 3 shooters each. Well then again its preseason, all games are a waste of time.

by Fakers Stink on Oct 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those crazy standing room only European fans

are LOUD!!! I like the room feed though—-like being at a live game.

And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?

"Hit more people."

by MiniMiteMom on Oct 2, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

1-0 Adler.

PANIC!!!!!11

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by idunno723 on Oct 2, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Greiss has to go through waivers though.

From what I’ve read someone will claim him. I’ve even head of Isles and Preds interested. For what it’s worth—- Lozo at nhl.com says:

McLellan sounded as if it’s only a matter of what team grabs Greiss, who will most likely not pass through waivers unclaimed.

And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?

"Hit more people."

by MiniMiteMom on Oct 2, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Is there an audio stream other than the one linked to on the Sharks website? The sound quality on that stream is horrendous.

by offthepost on Oct 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

The Isles and Preds make the most sense for trade partners when it Comes to Greiss. The Isles have Rick Dipietro as the back up with a 40 year old Roloson as the starter and the Preds have nothing proven behind Rinne.

But as said in the article, whats a reasonable price for Greiss? A 4th rounder? A middling prospect? Not a whole lot of benefit to be had from either option.

I’m not completely opposed to the idea of carrying 3 G’s to start the season since Greiss’s contract is so cheap. Just wait things out for 1-2 months, let the season start to take shape and evaluate the situation then. There is no need to just throw an asset such as Griess around because of his waiver situation or the fact that carrying 3 G’s on a roster is so unusual.

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by angryjay93 on Oct 2, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

They can also send him to the AHL on a conditioning stint at some point for a couple of weeks.

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by Bruce Peter on Oct 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed with angryjay.

Hope what you’re saying is true, that would be great.

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by ninakix on Oct 2, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, let me say this— trade proposals involving Kent Huskins are pretty far fetched in my opinion

To be fair, I did say in my tweet to you it involved Huskins and Greiss haha, but I admitted it was a pipedream (not even sure if you saw it, so this could get Patrick Marleau awkward)

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Oct 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Some assorted thoughts today as the Sharks open up play overseas with a 10:30 PM scrimmage against Adler Mannheim:

Might want to fix that before several FTFers open up ATDHE or KFOX’s website tonight and are disappointed.

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by Nael M. on Oct 2, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

HAHA Palm Pilot

I had one of those 10 years ago in high school. Played strip poker and drug dealer on it through class (and I still turned out alright). I actually have a Palm Pre as my phone now, that thing rocks. And the fantasy draft is most certainly in there. Marleau’s Marauders for the win!

by Chicago Shark on Oct 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

This sounds like what people do on Facebook now…

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by ninakix on Oct 2, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's Facebook?

I use that as more of a communication tool than game/social network platform these days. Don’t see the point of playing games on the Book when I have an Xbox at home.

by Chicago Shark on Oct 3, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

God, I LOVE getting status updates from high school acquaintances about how much bauxite they’ve pulverized in MineVille! This is truly the future.

by ievans on Oct 3, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol too true.

What’s funniest is when farmville sells “tractors” and stuff – pay us so you don’t have to spend as much time on our game!

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by ninakix on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s actually how they make money, as I understand it. It’s the modern version of those card games like Pokemon or Magic the Gathering, where the more money you spend, the better you are at the game. The free versions of all those games are basically designed to get you to buy upgrades, or get your friends to play. The status updates are there to advertise, and that’s the reason I get annoyed having to block each new game that gets released.

by ievans on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh absolutely. You can’t get any interesting items without paying, and they’re particularly sneaky about the entire thing.

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by ninakix on Oct 5, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can block all the notifications from a game or app, y’know.

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by Nael M. on Oct 4, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do...

…and I keep doing it as Chinchilla Ranch and Soccer Hooligan Wars and all the others are successively released…..

by ievans on Oct 4, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

what’s a social network if not a communication tool?

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by PNK on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna have to change my team name in FTF 1 based on who I draft.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 2, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

So this may be the wrong spot for this

But the league settings in FTF2 aren’t what the original thread promised (ie: they’re the default yahoo settings, not the “last year’s settings”

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/16/1692180/ftf-fantasy-hockey-now-open-for
http://www.fearthefin.com/2009/9/2/1011898/mmmm-its-fantasy-time

by warning on Oct 2, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ll try and get the commissioner to fix that before four o’clock. Sorry guys, he should have already done that.

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by Mr. Plank on Oct 2, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plank.. you shaved?

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by Bockerz on Oct 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a pic from the draft.

Knowing Plank, he’s probably already grown a new goatee in time for the season to start.

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by Nael M. on Oct 2, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha i know it’s from the draft. I was just commenting on the lack of his moustache’d pic ;)

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by Bockerz on Oct 2, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that the one that looks like Bill Houlder?

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by tealkegkilla on Oct 4, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kent Huskins and a 1st round pick for Jan Hejda...

or Mike Commodore…

NHL 11 thinks its a good deal!

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by BrandonMK50 on Oct 2, 2010 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Did they give u the...

“I hope you know what your doing” or the “our fans will be celebrating in the streets!”?

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by DrewRemendaRogaine on Oct 2, 2010 8:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man, I can't wait for the season!

Hopefully San Jose can get to the Promise Land this year!

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by Mini Hulk on Oct 2, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Wellwood got released by the Coyotes

Now is our chance to pick him up and save our season…

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by Evilducks on Oct 2, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

It just goes to show you what a lousy team the Coyotes are

How they can cut a talent like Kyle Wellwood is the reason they will never win anything. Just look at Vancouver and Toronto. They cut Kyle Wellwood, and they have no Cup!

YOU SEE! YOU SEE!!!

Obviously Edmonton will win they Cup. They have Hemsky and Paajarvi! And now, they’ll pick up Wellwood! NEW DYNASTY!

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by ElvisVF101 on Oct 2, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately Wellwood won't lift his cup with the unstoppable Paajarvi

He signed in the KHL. I guess no team wins the cup this year?

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by Evilducks on Oct 3, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should be GM of Edmonton!

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by ElvisVF101 on Oct 4, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Burn!

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by Noctro on Oct 4, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Picking up Kyle Wellwood? Is it physically possible to do that?

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by Nael M. on Oct 3, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kyle Wellwood is fat...

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by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 3, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol where’d that meme come from??

by Khaaz on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Down Goes Brown mostly, but wasn’t he told by the Canucks that he had to lose weight?

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by Evilducks on Oct 4, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL. I totally missed that whole thing.

by Khaaz on Oct 4, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever. I've had to read and see from the local media these lousy Hawks get their rings.

Sure they look nice and all, but I’d much rather see a shark made of diamonds. Just get it done. Somehow, some way.

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by Alex Houston on Oct 3, 2010 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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