Wait, didn't I just watch this game last night? Sharks lose to Stars in OT, 5-4
by mymclife on Nov 18, 2010 10:00 PM PST
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PrintFor the second night in a row, the Sharks had a two-goal lead in the third only to lose in overtime. And, for the second night in a row, a disallowed Sharks goal would have been the game winner. Losing in overtime hurts. Losing in overtime after having a two-goal lead hurts more. Losing in overtime after having a two-goal lead against the Stars hurts the most.
It was patently obvious in the first period that the Sharks played last night. They were not able to set up a single cycle the entire period, nor could they keep the zone on the power play. The passes were often way off mark, and they kept giving up
So it wasn’t really much of a surprise that the Sharks found themselves down 2-0 in the first.
The first was not lost, however; Mike Moore, in his third
Nichol’s late goal gave energy to the Sharks, and they came out into the second looking a lot better. In the first minute of the second, Joe Thornton was decked by Jamie Benn, prompting Devin Setoguchi to drop the gloves with Benn. Setoguchi’s helmet gets knocked off, but he lands the majority of the punches and ultimately gets the takedown.
The second line of Joe Pavelski, Logan Couture, and Ryane Clowe continues their streak of great play, scoring two goals in the second. Pavelski’s 6th came on a wraparound that had everyone looking the other way, and Couture’s 8th – to lead all rookies in goals – went five-hole on Lehtonen after bouncing off of Matt Niskanen.
Later in the period, Torrey Mitchell and Brad Richards were both given 10 minute misconducts for fighting before a faceoff. Jamal Mayers and Kris Barch also dropped the gloves this period, but there were few punches thrown.
The Sharks started the third with the remainder of the four minute high-sticking powerplay that Jason Demers drew. However, the power play on the road continues to be abysmal – the Sharks have gone 0 for their last 20 opportunities. What a change from earlier in the season, when the Sharks couldn’t score without the extra man – now they fail to score with one. While this is not the only reason for the Sharks’ failure to pick up two points on the road, it certainly isn’t helping matters.
There was a scary moment early in the third when a puck chipped by a Stars player went onto the Sharks bench, hitting Joe Pavelski in the mouth. It appears he lost at least one tooth and needed stitches, as he left for the dressing room and did not return to the bench until there was just over five minutes left in the period. As an aside, aren’t hockey players amazing? Joe Pavelski just got teeth knocked out, likely got some stitches, and was still bleeding all over the place, yet went right back out on the ice. To use a bit of baseball terminology, gamer.
Just over six minutes into the third, Patrick Marleau scores his eighth off of a rebound. There was a possibility that the goal would have been called off due to the net being knocked off its moorings – a valid fear for Sharks fans as of late – but it was knocked off after the puck crossed the line, and so was ruled a goal. Marc-Edouard Vlasic’s secondary assist on the goal marked his first point of the season.
But then what was the first mark of last night’s collapse happened again tonight. Vlasic’s shot from the point was tipped by Marleau into the goal, giving him his second point on the season just a few minutes later. However, it was deemed that the goal was tipped in with a high stick by Marleau, and the goal was waved off. While last night’s high stick call on Jamie McGinn’s goal was questionable, this call was right on the money.
This was the Sharks’ third straight game with a disallowed goal, and they have had a goal disallowed in four of their last five (the game against the Calgary Flames being the exception). Likely not much love for the Toronto War Room from Sharks fans after this series of games.
After the disallowed goal, the Sharks started hanging back and playing prevent defense, and the Stars took advantage. The Stars scored two goals in less than thirty seconds; one a James Neal goal that bounced around the crease before Neal put it in five-hole, and another being a Ribero goal over Niemi’s left shoulder. Dan Boyle called for a review on Neal’s goal, saying it was kicked in, but it didn’t seem like there was one.
In an act that felt completely inevitable after his tying goal, Mike Ribero scored in just under three minutes into overtime, roofing it over a sprawled Niemi and cementing the Stars’ comeback.
Antti Niemi continues his string of good play – the first three, and arguably the fourth, were not his fault at all. The overtime winner saw the goalie completely sprawled out onto the ice out of position after the initial save. Niemi also made several key saves to keep the Sharks in the game in the first period and the second while they were making their own comeback, including several with the glove that he certainly would not have at the beginning of the season. Needless to say, while he did let in five goals, he has definitely improved.
As the beginning of the game saw the Sharks completely gassed and out of whack, Todd McLellan mixed up the lines, with the exception of the red-hot second line. Joe Thornton – who was rather invisible tonight – was bumped down to the third line with Devin Setoguchi and Jamie McGinn, while Torrey Mitchell was promoted to the first line with Dany Heatley and Patrick Marleau. McLellan also experimented with lines of Heatley-Nichol-Mitchell and McGinn-Marleau-Setoguchi at various points of the game.
This game sums up the Sharks’ season quite well – consistently inconsistent. They look horrible at some times, and can barely enter the zone, much less hold it. Other times, they score four straight and look to be in control. They get a goal called off. They let their foot off the gas and allow the other team to get back into the game. And, as a cherry topper, they lose in overtime.
There was some definite good in this game. The second line, for one, and Torrey Mitchell has grown into a force on the ice. But the Sharks’ tendency to let up with a two-goal lead reared its ugly head yet again, and their impotency on the power play didn’t help much either. And so, they lost to the Dallas Stars. Ugh.
On a personal note, I hate overtime. Hate it. And the Sharks this season have done nothing to make me change my mind.
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Yeah, all this line mixing is what we were needing earlier in the season – the top line plays great together when they’re on, but when they’re off, it’s difficult to get them pumped up. But I’m glad to see that the second line is doing well!!!
The only good thing about this game was that Pavs walked away (or at least appeared to) with all his teeth :D
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Is it possible we miss Murray and Wallin this much?
"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker
by skilletboy on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yup
It’s funny how the defense continues to be bad without him in the lineup. It’s funny how it was Boyle and Vlassic on the ice for the OT winner. It’s funny how they’ve been on the ice a lot for goals against, both make significantly more than Huskins or Wallin but everybody still shits their pants about Wallin and Huskins being on this team. Oh, Boyle had a chance to clear that puck before it ever even got put on net the first time, but he coasted to the puck while a Star skated to it and the rest is history.
Not pointing out you in general, just annoyed with that trend.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I think even though those two might be the slowest guys on the team, they are pretty reliable defensively…
It’s seems to be the only clear missing variable in both these games.
I’ve been thinking also that the Sharks are five when they ate attacking. That puck possession play is so good our D side is isolated a bit. But when we let off the gas or the other team pushes back hard, it exposes our weakness a little… With Murray and Wallin out it’s even worse.
That seems at least on the surface, to explain these games. We’re fine as long as we keep attacking but when the other team pushes back hard, we are struggling holding even 2-3 goal leads..,
We need our Swedes!!
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 7:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, Boyle had a chance to clear that puck before it ever even got put on net the first time, but he coasted to the puck while a Star skated to it and the rest is history.
Just awful…no effort whatsoever.
Those last few minutes of the game were a complete meltdown…absolutely putrid to witness. Ugh.
Did anyone else notice how, um, excited Devorski was when he called that Stars good goal? Never heard/seen anything like that before.
I've been one of those
dissing Huskins, I’ll admit. But this season I’m beginning to see why he’s still a Shark, and my opinion in changing.
Silly me for ever doubting DW. ;o)
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by sharkiesgirl on Nov 19, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
If we would have won this game...
I wouldn’t care if Moore and Joslin stay up for longer… They played surprisingly solid… and who’d a thought moore is such a tough guy
The game is still a bit fast for them
I don’t know about having BOTH of them up at the same time at this point. We need a bit more stability to shelter them and let them play more than 10 minutes.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Yeah.
I was thinking that this morning. If it was just one or the other of them, I bet we’d be fine and we could shelter them from dangerous minutes while still letting them play. But both at once is kind of doubling up on a problem and hoping for the best.
Oh, such a painful B2B!!!!
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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 18, 2010 10:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sharks got caught watching the puck far too often in the 3rd and not clearing Niemi’s juicy rebounds or preventing the Stars from getting to the puck.
Also against Dallas’ aggressive forecheck, they were far too often pressurized into making bad decisions or holding onto the puck far too often resulting in turnovers. That was the script of the last three goals the Stars scored. Back to the drawing board for the Sharks to figure out how to effectively execute those break outs.
While Niemi certainly wasn’t the reason the Sharks lost, he could’ve been the reason the Sharks might’ve won. I haven’t seen his last few games, but Niemi’s rebound control issues were as bad as I remembered earlier in the season. Also his inability to play the puck and start the break out is forcing the Sharks into taking far too many defensive zone faceoffs.
Patty Marleau lives an erotic life.
Reunite the SPCial (seto, pavs, clowe) line.
by Will Bulldozer on Nov 18, 2010 10:25 PM PST reply actions
Wasn't that just swell!
Hate to be negative…but scratch Vlasic. Dont know if he has the Seto-virus or what but he isnt helping. Next time Heater… dont talk, just drop ‘em
“If only I were coach” (meant to be read to the tune of the scarecrow song from wizard of oz). I would have had Nitty played this game not the Colorado game. Its a division game regardless of what time of the season it is, you play your hot goalie.
Nichol’s goal was awesome, the second line IS awesome, Pav’s coming back in the 3rd was awesome and Moore’s game is impressive… I just cant be too excited for these 2 points, sharks.. good night.
We’re experiencing the trials, tribulations, and frustration of a middle-of-the-road hockey team – a concept that’s been completely alien to fans of this team for the last couple of seasons. Is there reason to be concerned? Sure. Absolutely. But the sky is not, in fact, falling.
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by OtherKid on Nov 18, 2010 10:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Issues with this team deeper than they appear.
Some problems I have with our season so far (and particularly our last two games):
1. McClellan’s post game quotes after the Avs loss. He was “happy” overall with the team’s performance. Note to coach, you should never be happy with a loss, especially one in which your team implodes during the most crucial stretch of the game (i.e. the last 10 minutes). Stop giving these guys a pass, because you know what, they just may repeat the same mistakes (see tonight’s disaster).
2. Good regular season goaltending under the Nabby regime obscured some troubling underlying issues with this team, being a. Turnovers, b. Defensive breakdowns, c. Passivity at inopportune times. I don’t know how Wilson/McClellan plan on remedying these issues, but they’ve got their hands full.
3. Let’s stop being so damn nice to this team! The team is too nice, the organization is too nice, McClellan is too controlled and nice even the media is nice to them for Christ sake! What the hell is that all about! Enough!! Start chewing these guys out every once in a damn while! Hold them accountable! Call them #$%^&ers when they play like it! There’s not enough damn emotion with this club and I’m sick of it. Perhaps if we stop all the nice-nice they’ll stop all the choke-choke. And by the way, these guys played like a bunch of *&$#%ers tonight.
4. Finally, let’s stop all the wet dreaming with talk like “they’re still 4 games above .500” and “the season is still young.” Are you serious? This team has 9 wins and 8 losses (I don’t care if 3 are in overtime and they get a point, they’re still losses). This team is BARELY a .500 hockey team. So let’s get real. Second, the season is not “young.” The season is almost 1/4 of the way over. Again, wake up!
People, stop loving this team so much, and start hating a little more. It doesn’t mean you don’t care, it means you care as much if not more, you’re just holding them accountable. Over and out!
by RBSharkFan on Nov 18, 2010 10:46 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Yep...
Your Comment just about summed up what i wanted to say
by supersharks17 on Nov 19, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure why saying McLellan should throw temper tantrums with grown men is recommended reading.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Also, in that vein, how does just wanting to scream and rant and say this team sucks make you care more than the rest of us?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Because he clearly has heart and doesn’t use logic. :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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blaaah
I have a really hard time with the “chokers” label. Sorry, I just do. Being a choker has nothing to do with having heart or not, they’re just not related. We don’t choke because we don’t have heart, we choke because we’re not handling the mental side of things well. And blindly yelling and hatin’ on people? Not really helpful for the mental side of things either .
If that’s what’s getting us down, then, I hope T-mac can find a more effective way to deal with it than just freaking out and screaming. That helps no one behind self-righteous fans who think they understand how sports psychology works from their couches. Hopefully they’re finding the things they need to do to stoke the boys before big games!
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It’s gnawed at me for a few hours that the people who rec’d it didn’t speak up on it’s behalf aside from the guy who registered just to rec it. They advocate calling out the team (and the rest of us) but don’t want to put their name on that fact?
Oh, OK calling out peeps I see.
Since you said that and I rec’d the comment, I’ll have to explain myself, don’t I? I guess I’ll have to butternut this.
I don’t agree with 100% what that guy/gal said up there but I agree with point number 1 where McLellan said he was happy with the way the team played. I can see if he said there were good plays within that game but HAPPY is a very poor choice of words when we somehow make a ton of mistakes in the 3rd to lose it in OT. If I effed up at work I don’t expect my boss to scream at me but I definitely don’t expect happy to be in the vocab.
I agree with point number 3 somewhat cause it ties in with point number 1. I’m not one to completely bash the team but I damn well will be upset when we have the lead and just can’t close out the game. The way some people crucify those who have any negativity towards the team definitely stops me from posting how I really feel and makes me not want to participate in this blog anymore. Nowadays I come to read the insight and knowledge of all the writers but that’s it.
I’m not saying fire the coach, throw DW out the window, and blow up the team, NO. I want them to play consistently like they CAN play. We’ve seen how they can be amazing but as many people have said they take their foot of the gas. We had this same problem last spring and we’re having it now. We’re having issues closing out the game.
It’s not the end of the world and we have a lot more games to go, I realize that, but I’m not going to happy go lucky when we can do better.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Totally fair to be pissed and swear and talk shit, especially after a bad game. And people should be allowed to do that.
I mostly have a problem with anyone here questioning anyone else here’s passion for the team because they don’t react to the loss the same way. If someone’s going to question my loyalty to the team because I’m not cussing them out or stressing about how much of the season is left, that’s totally different than them wanting to be allowed to bitch the team out.
And actually having this discussion is why it bothered me that no one was speaking up on behalf of what was said.
I question your loyalty. Not for any tangible reason, but just cause :P
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t act like you’re not impressed! /anchorman
Looks like I needed to have gone one step further the past few nights though :/ Damn winter weather and me freezing :(
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I can see how you took that person's comments to be directed at you
but I rec’d it because I agreed with him/her and I thought it was a well put post. That flowers roses and daisies arent always going to popping out of the ground. I didn’t rec it to question your loyalty or how you or anyone else should or shouldn’t act regarding the team. So aren’t you doing the same by calling out those who agree with him/her? Questioning their loyalty to the team?
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, i think hes against the whole stealthy rec’ing. If you rec something you clearly agree with it or its message in general. But to not put an added little explanation of that seems more like a jab at people who disagree, because well, we dont know who we’re disagreeing with.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I thought I could do whatever I wanted
like rec’d a post that I enjoyed. I didn’t think I had to explain myself all the time but I’ll have to take that into consideration now.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, that probably didn’t come out right then. Because thats not really what I meant…
It was more of a we want to know who we should be discussing things with. Otherwise its discussing things with yourself. I enjoy seeing the rationale and the ideas other people have about the same plays. But I cant have that discussion if only one person is commenting but more than one person has that belief.
I’m not sure i’m doing my argument justice here…
Bleh
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
naw man
its just not everyone is up on their hockey knowledge like you guys and i come here to learn. I think the style at which some correct people might discourage them from coming back..but I totally read and ponder your discussions. I come back everyday for a read right?
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll actually join this group. I don’t think my hockey knowledge is as astute as most of the posters on here, but I do what I can. I think most of the people wouldn’t get on you for that. like I said further down, I like it with more and more people discussing (actually talking not just posting for the sake of posting) so I think you should hop in more discussions :)
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
sometimes I'd like to think that
that maybe if I took the time and actually research your guy’s observations instead of taking it at face value you could be very wrong hahahha but I don’t think so. Its cool.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is what I do too – I find I learn more by just saying lots of crazy stuff and seeing what everybody says in response. I think that’s one of the better ways to learn here. And most people are really quite nice about the fact that I come on and say crazy stuff, and some of it is just blatantly wrong (:
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I dunno its a little intimidating
we’ll see ;) put pants on btw. Did ye hear me we’re losing and you’re naked.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
OOOR i need to get MOAR naked! the key could be more neekkidness
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
oh boy...
uh…i think theres a definitive point of nakedness hah!
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
i still had socks and boxers on last night! The buff might be what this team needs!
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I say you get one more shot.
then we’ll have to re-evaluate your gametime juju.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
fair enough. Ice sharks seemed to work for a bit…but failed the OT :(
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
god love our team but OT always spells doom
at this point if we have another OT I’ll just start crying.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I was trying to find out why people agreed, especially because I felt that the post was more than a bit inflammatory toward the other fans here in language. If people agree with the points, cool. But if people are agree with the jabs in the post, I’ve got more of an issue, since I’m for both sides getting to voice their opinion.
This…he did a much much much better job of explaining my understanding of the concern…
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
well I guess I voiced mine
I’ve probably got a dozen flags now for being negative and trolling though :p
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
AWESOME!
superstar! Not going down without a fight pansies!!!!
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
this is me being logan couture
thats herrrrrrr thats herrrrrrrr she know she badddddd
KEEPER OF CAPSLOCK AND TEETH, FANGIRL REPRESENTATION ON FTF
that was probably the worst thing that man has tweeted as of yet
though it had me rollin on the floor….:P
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 20, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
In fairness, I think the only people who are being crucified are the trolls. I don’t think people like Zero or Elvis have been ganged up on or generally ragged on. I disagree with them (for the most part) but I like the debate we have, it helps analyze the team from many different angles.
That being said, I too am getting really tired of the personal attacks on people that are happening. Whether they are justified or not, its not something I’m here for either. I believe, and I could be in a vast minority here, but if you have a problem with someone else on the forums either ignore them or take it to a personal conversation.
As for the original comment, I think you can be happy with most of the game and disappointed with the outcome, look at Game 3 against the Avs last year. Fairly happy with the play, not happy with the fluke goal off boyles pass. Thats just one instance where it would seem saying happy with the play works. All in all, its not something to get all up in arms about.
Again, being upset is fine. Being negative is fine. Its being negative with no faulty information or unwillingness to hear the other side that is the issue.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
it should read :
Its being negative with faulty information or unwillingness….
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
I see and hear your guy's side all the time. Almost every day.
I can really understand how you feel and your great eloquant explainations. I don’t always agree but I just leave that as a personal thing and I take your advise which is ignore it. Which I don’t really have a problem doing at all so thanks. I can understand your comment about the happy with the game unhappy with the outcome it makes sense, but sometimes I feel coach is so backwards. When we win a game he has a lot of criticisms but when we lose he’s relatively happy. It’s a little confusing to me.
Also your stripping the last two games have posed a problem so you might want to try wearing clothes this time around thank you! :)
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think if you disagree you SHOULD say something. I know i’m an asshole, but I’m not that big an asshole. I try and listen :(. The whole if you have a problem with someone and ignore it wasn’t really directed at you or anything you said. I was actually for the most part agreeing with you, that it needs to stop on the whole so that other people are NOT alienated.
As for the coach confusion I think hes using it as mind games so the guys dont get complacent with a win, and don’t get too dejected with a loss. Both extremes are really bad, I think hes aiming for even keel. I mean look at Seto’s play. The guy has very serious confidence issues and we dont want those to get worse, ya know?
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh i totally get the even keel part
and for the most part I agree but it is SO hard to hear immediately after a loss like that I’m happy with the play. I think that might be some people’s opinion/problem is that for the most part that even keel is totally OK but sometimes I think the boys get complacent with THAT reaction and they need to be woken up a little. A little shake-down might fire them up a little. That’s all.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, I def hear you and get that part of the argument. But honestly, I think someone like Seto hears that, and he plays worse. I think someone like Patty hears that and it doesn’t affect him. I think Jumbo hears that and it doesn’t really affect him. Both the latters know there were issues and hearing contrary wont change that.
The big problem however, is that its Patty and Jumbo that are the most in need of waking up (well heater too but for the sake of my argument). I fear that him saying he’s disappointed would hurt the guys suffering in the confidence department and not affect the ones who need to be sent that message. What I believe happens is he chews them out in practice, not in a public and potentially humiliating way (ie: Patty v Ron Wilson)
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hard part is we don't know that. We're not the players.
Seto is probably like me though we just livin our heads no matter what anyone seays. I watch Coach and his facial expressions scare the Jesus into me and I’m not even a player. But a little shoutin sometimes might light other’s fires. I dunno I’m just spinning in circles here. Maybe there’s something different they need to do to get the guys to pick it up.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
No you’re absolutely right, we don’t know. That though is exactly why I fear the whole “lets see emotion out of him” because it might be bad, it might be good, but we don’t know so why should we really question it? I mean we know McL is engaged as hes often yelling at the refs so we can’t be sure hes not handling the team in the right way…
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
we should suggest a separation
TMac should say: those headcases and sensitive guys hang out there watch the vids of what you should’ve done. I’ll be there in a minute. The others come here let me yell at you and you’ll play better.
I dunno I see football coaches screaming the Jesus out of their players and it seems effective hahaha isn’t that what all the movies portray?
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Movies are great sources of fact. Like did you know Edward Norton can become the hulk when hes angry?!
Haha but that would be hilarious some of you come with me and get your asses chewed out!
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I once had a girl in my class cite Gattica as proof that we already clone people. I think the most confusing part was that I’m pretty sure Gattica doesn’t have cloning in it.
Haha awesome. People never cease to amaze me.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Plus Edward Norton
is a white supremisist….I can’t believe they hire racists in the movie biz. Tsk.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
man that movie almost made me want to be one! He made some great points!
Too bad I’m a girl and I’m asian! LOL he was amazing in that movie.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly though, hes such a good actor I cant think of a role where he wasnt great in.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Italian Job
not necessarily a bad acting job by him, just a bad movie.
He’s one of my favorite actors, but I can’t forgive him for The Italian Job.
The same goes for Christian Bale and Reign of Fire.
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"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker
Yea, but you said it, not a bad job by him, just a terrible terrible movie. (I agree with you though)
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Aww, I liked Italian Job. It was entertaining.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’m for separating them out into the “you get yelled at” and the “you get to watch video” groups. It does seem kind of like what we need right now.
everyone learns differently
can’t treat EVERYONE the same…oh hey look lesson of the day here! :P
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
the more you know...
:) i kid. thanks to you and animadiversion for explaining your one liners up there does make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside now.
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 19, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
What’s funny is I feel my coaches used to do this to me – as a ski racer there would be days where I would be really, really down in practice, and if I kept up the negativity it just became this huge downward cycle. Before I was better at dealing with it, I used to have to be really careful about the feedback after bad practices, an d my coaches would often send me away from the video room if I’d had a bad day, or only show me the few runs where I’d done well. Other kids were yelled at because they didn’t get down so hard on themselves. ‘Im sure T-mac has the situation under control, but to be honest, you can say that, in any sport, there are tons and tons of people who can preform at a very similar, high level. But the difference has always been the consistency, the mental aspects. And it’s definitely the hardest part.
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Please read my comment more closely there partner...
I said nothing about McLellan throwing temper tantrums. I said he shouldn’t be “happy” with a team that blows a game in the last 10 minutes. Also, when I said he was being too nice and controlled, that doesn’t mean that he needs to throw a “temper tantrum,” but a little more emotion would be nice.
How does talking to the media reflect on how he treats the team? Is it possible, he’s just a professional, and when dealing with the companies public image he acts the part and when he deals with the team in private he has other words and calls out players? Yelling at the media does what to the team other than look like you’re throwing a temper tantrum exactly?
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Well...
We’ll just see if he’s “happy” if the Sharks fail to make the playoffs. Throwing temper tantrums is in front of the media is not the right approach, but McLellan either a) was actually happy with the effort, which makes me question his judgment, or b) wasn’t happy and wasn’t being honest. Either way, his response sucked.
I agree with all points, except for 3/4.
I’m good sticking to my positive outlook on these guys. Yes, there are clear deficiencies, and I’ll call those out. But for the most part, I’m not going to be so negative as to call for blowing up this team or that we’ll miss the playoffs.
This is one of the only sports that I really follow. Me hating that Sharks would ruin my life. I’m holding them accountable for sucking while still loving them.. yes, that is possible.
And I don’t understand why you want people to be mad and angry. The Sharks have always been a team that keeps it respectable in terms of what they say to the media. That’s just the way Wilson and Co. run the show. I’m sure TMac isn’t talking to the guys and saying “Great effort. So, we lost? Big deal! I believe in you. Gold stars for everyone!!!” Plus, it’s early in the season. The season’s still young. And we’re above .500!
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by Bockerz on Nov 19, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. I agree with all of this. Also, I like our boys the way they are – they’re scrappy and fighting to get on top of their game. I always love to cheer for an underdog, and I don’t mind watching a team grow. It makes when they win even sweeter. And I do believe they’ll grow – LOOK AT ME SO OPTIMISTIC AND FANGIRLY
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Wow!
I just got home from work to discover that I stirred up the pot a bit with my 1-5 points above. Never expected this type of reaction, but I’m pleased with the response, regardless of whether those responding dislike what I wrote or love what I wrote or are somewhere in between. First, I noticed one reply was unclear as to my gender. I’m a 34 year old man. Second, I was corrected by PNK as to the spelling of coach’s last name. Thank you PNK. Finally, I LOVE the Sharks, as clearly you all do as well (as evidenced by the fact that you’re responding to comments and comments to comments on FTF). I’ve been a fan since 1994, and my ex-girlfriend’s father worked for the organization and helped bring the team to SJ. I live, eat and breathe Sharks hockey, and yes I was and still am frustrated, and my comments were largely negative, but hey, there’s a lot of issues with this team, let’s not kid ourselves. Finally, I by no means intended to question your loyalty. Instead, I was urging fans to get on this team when they underperform. I played sports (and college sports) and as a former athlete I know there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with a good kick in the ass!
lol
Yeah, it’s funny when one comment stirs up such a big debate like this, especially when the person who made the initial comment isn’t even really apart of it.
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Thats cold man. No one and I mean no one should have to read that crap
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Good recap...
The only little quibble I have is that I think Niemi needs to take his fair share of the blame for the 3rd and 4th goals, as well as the overtime winner. He’s supposed to be strong low…I mean, he spend his entire game on the ground it seems…and yet, the third goal was shoved 5 hole on him, and the fourth was laying on teh ground in front of him, ready to be covered, but before he decided to react, it was pulled away and shot over him. Not strong. Crease presence is the major thing Niitty has going for him, and something that just kills Niemi.
Otherwise, time for some POSITIVITY!
Tonight’s point actually moved us into a tie for 5th with (dun, dun, dun) Chicago! And we have 3 games in hand against them. One point above us is Anaheim, and we have 3 games in hand against them. (on the flip side, all the teams 1-2 points behind us also have games in hand over us…but whatever). The point being, despite the fact that this team has major roster issues, major consistency issues, major backup goaltending issues, and, well, quite frankly, they’re a rather mediocre team this year…they have avoided digging themselves a huge standings hole. This team needs help…both in practicing good habits, and adding competant roster pieces to the blueline. But things could be worse.
Do I still think this team will struggle to make the playoffs? Absolutely. But I should clarify that. I think they will not win the division, because LA is just too good, and we’re just too inconsistant. Therefore, they will be competing for one of the “other spots.” The horror, I know. I see the Sharks being a team that could end up anywhere from 5th to 12th (which right now is a spread of 2 points…and last season was a final spread of just 14 points). That, to me, is a tenuous position to be in. I also think adding a top blueliner in sooner rather than later could make that kind of difference (between 9th and 4th, persay).
Let’s just say that back to back losses in this manner is abysmal…and not something that elite teams do. Teams that win Stanley Cups do not give up back to back 2 goal leads late in the third and lose in OT. It just doesn’t happen. Luckily, there appears to still be time to rectify the mistakes of the offseason and fix this team before it’s too late.
And yes, this is as positive as I can be after the debacle of a roadtrip I’ve just witnessed. At least I’m trying…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 18, 2010 11:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think you summed up what I wanted to say.
So I’ll just second this and add that I’m honestly more pissed about missing our chance at Ian White than the losses at the moment. I think he’s the kind of part we need to start avoiding some of these messes and he went cheaper than I expected. I’ll probably never know if he was on DW’s radar or not, ir if there was any realistic chance he’d actually be sent here by a conference foe, but seeing him in Carolina sucks.
by Auth0r on Nov 19, 2010 12:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think for value we’d have a hard time giving back something to the flames that wouldn’t have solved any of their cap issues and then of course there are our cap issues as well, being in the conference would probably make the asking price higher.
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I see the Sharks being a team that could end up anywhere from 5th to 12th
Exactly what I see and believe. To get to 5th or even a bit higher, we need to make some defensive changes. Waiting until the deadline might produce more options, but less time for teamates to get and build chemistry (Wallin last year).
It’s funny, because I think if we had had Wallin and Murray, we win both of those games. They’re big guys who can move people away from the net, thus limiting easy rebounds and putbacks, and they could have taken minutes away from Boyle and Vlasic who were dead by the start of OT in both games. So in a crazy way, I’m thrilled we got 2 points out of this, since I didn’t believe we’d get any going into it. I also felt like the Offensive effort was there and that they all worked and played hard. Everyone except Joe Thornton. He’s my favorite player on the team, but he can be an enigma. Take last night for example, no shots or points. He wasn’t particularly physical either. And so to me, he seemed like he wasn’t into the game. It’s hard to guess why, but your captain needs to set an example, and if he doesn’t want to shoot, at least he could drill some guys. Seems like he’s passive after the suspension and that hurts his game. He didn’t start the season that way.
So I can see how we need to be more critical of the players and hold them accountable for the results, but considering how bad this defense is, I’m not that unimpressed with the overall results. I do hold DW accountable for not putting together a better defensive group, especially since he had plenty of time to do so after Blake retired. I’m not that worried about the goaltending either, I just think we need another piece or two on the back end.
So do we trade Seto or Mitchell for a Beauchemin? Is that the best we can get for some young talent? Seems like a panic move to me. And it’s a bit of a catch-22; If we do nothing until the break we run the risk of not getting a guy who can fit in and have enough time to build chemistry, and if we grab someone now, we may not get the guy we really want and we may regret giving up on a guy like Seto or Mitchell. Personally, I would not move either of them this year unless we were offered someone of considerable talent, like a Kaberle. I like Joslin and Moore, they’re just a little raw and lacking experience. Moore’s a Princeton guy, so I think he’s pretty smart and he’s as tough as they come at 200 lbs.
I think it would be a travesty if we just sit back and do nothing because there is so much offensive talent on this team, but I don’t think DW will do that. He knows the fans won’t tolerate it, and I like that he’s patient and is waiting for the right deal. I’d love to know who’s on his radar so I can start to work the cap numbers.
I’ll be at the Columbus game tomorrow night and then they get a few days off to rest before Chicago comes in. We are truly a much better team at home this year. It’s the road games that are TORTURE!
Don’t believe an Eklund rumor. Wilson and Burke are two of the most tight lipped GM’s in the game when it comes to their actual trades. The only one anybody has gotten right recently with the Sharks was Heatley and that’s more due to us being the only team available… and they still messed it up by thinking we were shipping Marleau to LA.
Eklund doesn’t know shit when it comes to the Sharks.
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Though really
“Eklund doesn’t know shit when it comes to the NHL” is probably just as correct.
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Who's on DW's radar?
Not that I’m in favor of this, but don’t you think Clowe has a good amount of trade value right now? He’s scoring points and is tough on the boards and could add some much needed grit to a team like Toronto. Again, I’d hate to lose him, but he and Seto probably have the most value of guys DW would consider moving, don’t you think?
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I'm not so sure
either of them has much value in a trade right now. Seto has 2 goals on the season, and Niemi has been below average all year. You’d have to wait until both of their numbers go up before being able to trade them for what we need.
by Chicago Shark on Nov 19, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
He was just named an Assistant Captain. I highly doubt they’re just going to ship him out now.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I read that Eklund post and laughed the whole time. He’s got Seto and random player and 3rd pick or something going to the Leafs, and then somewhere Couture got put in there too. Right.
At least it was comic relief on a dreary day :)
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
Agrred, Z-I...
Niemi’s 5-hole is big enough to drive a truck through right now. It looks like the goalie coaches are trying to get him more athletic, but it’s coming at the expense of low-end coverage.
In fairness, Niemi’s glove is getting better, but not to the point that it pays for his offset in price vs. Greiss… :-/
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So how many goals have to be let in
before it’s actually the goalie’s fault?
We used to say the same thing about Nabby. A ton of the goals against Nabby weren’t his fault…but we’ve said before…sometimes the goalie needs to make a play. Where was Niemi when the Sharks needed him to steal one? Where was the clutch save in the 3rd period to save the game? Isn’t that what we went out and got a “Stanley Cup Winning Goalie” for???
More and more I’m believing the rumor that Doug Wilson was adamantly against the Niemi signing, but he was overruled by ownership who wanted to make a big splash. Niemi is average at best.
Antti Niemi
Is the new Chris Osgood. A mediocre goaltender who road an extremly, almost unfairly exellent team to a stanley cup. I don’t know who went after him, but the front office has to be shitting themselves right now.
by kaotix on Nov 19, 2010 7:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you
Note to the sharks, get a goddamn defensemen!!!! Anyone else think that this was the worst off-season in a long time?? T_T
Not really.
It wasn’t our best, that’s for sure. But it was about the same as it usually is for us. Player we all think would have signed for less getting a big contract? Check. Guys we all thought we needed signing elsewhere? Check. Pretty normal.
But don’t forget we re-signed Joe, Patty, and Pavs to long term deals. And mostly for less than we expected. That’s a big plus. And we got Nitty, who has been excellent for us outside of one or two games (his first against the Blue Jackets and against the Avs, I’d say).
Niemi was a strange decision that hasn’t paid off. And there wasn’t a big trade. Otherwise, it was a pretty typical Sharks offseason.
And Seto has been sucking this year. That’s good.. we can sign him long term to a relatively low deal, and then BOOM! he’ll stop sucking and start scoring 100 goals/season.
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I've been thinking this same thing
I’ve also been thinking that he must not want a big payday or anything because he has really not stepped his game up in a crucial contract year, which worries me.
Was the 08-09 season an anomaly?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I just think we had plenty of scorers and the cap space could have been better used elsewhere to improve our blueline and overall team depth. But I discussed this in the offseason…no need to go too in depth again today.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Eh…I disagree., but you’re right no need to bring that into the mix again.
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s not like that’s going to change. Best to argue about what can be changed, and meaningless stuff like whether the Sharks will be the 8th seed or the 9th seed in the playoffs!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also known as the important things in life :P
So….I seriously want staal…someone please make it happen
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
I do too. has great memories of this summer and the dreams of staaaaaaaaal
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We could talk about trading Patty...
Oh wait, NTC, and a bloated cap number, nevermind… ;)
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On-board, ZI.
But everyone here knows that. (points @ avatar)…
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(Or, should I say, "Nabbytar")...
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Greiss + waivers = Retarded.
period.
Sorry DW.
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by Noctro on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hindsight is always 20/20...
But no Neimi + no Wallin = a successful Hjalmarsson offer sheet, at 4.0-4.5m, and greiss.
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
No hindsight there. I hated the Neimi-Greiss shuffle from the start.
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Probably needless nitpicking
But I think $4M would have been an overpayment for Hjalmarsson, especially when factoring in the lost draft picks.
Not that that makes Niemi and Wallin’s combined $4.5M look all that much better, but maybe we then risk the 2 years for Willie Mitchell. I dunno. I’m just sad now. A night’s rest has turned my rage from last night into flat out depression.
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I wasn't considering the picks in that statement.
Maybe it changes it.
But I did read a quote where Chicago said they thought they were gonna have to pay 4m or more to keep him.
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
thank goodness
for gangster sharks. :o)
I’m trying to like Niemi, I really am, but he makes it so HARD lol.
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by sharkiesgirl on Nov 19, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
The season's been plain weird...
Not just the Sharks, but all over the league: the Blues go 9-1 to start the year and then get blown out in 4 straight; the Ducks start looking like the worst team in the NHL and then go on a 6 game win streak; New Jersey and Buffalo tank early on. It’s like trying to make weekly picks in the NFL this year – all over the place.
In watching hockey (and the Sharks) for 17 years, I have never seen games like the last two. I’m past the point of anger or frustration to one of puzzlement. Even for the Monday game – the whole goal swap in the game against the Kings is something I last saw in 1994! This is insanity.
I can understand some of the short term panic, but talking about not making the playoffs right now? In the last 5 years there have only been two constants in the western conference: both the Wings and the Sharks have always been in the top 5. Until further notice, and barring a full team collapse by either, I do not expect that to change. Besides, the standings are so clogged right now, no team really has had a chance to separate from the pack.
Do the last two games suck? Sure. Does the team have some issues to correct? Of course. In the meantime, step back and take a breath. If there’s anything that’s been missing from the Sharks this season, I would point to a lack of intensity more than anything else. The team just isn’t playing excited right now. As we move further into the season, odds are it will pick back up.
by The McMafia on Nov 19, 2010 3:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If there’s anything that’s been missing from the Sharks this season, I would point to a lack of intensity
And is that because Joe Thornton has been inconsistent with his physicality? Seems like he’s playing timid after his suspension. Before that he was drilling people and I liked it. This team has plenty of grit; Nichol, Mayers, McLaren, McGinn, Clowe, Murray, and even Mitchell and Seto. I think it all comes down to smart defensive play and making good quick decisions with your passing and positioning. Like you, I’ve been a Sharks only fan for their entire existance, and I remember how bad this team was. So to me, ever since DW arrived, and we make the playoffs every year, seems like we’re all a little spoiled, but we weren’t always good. So I agree, and torturous as it is to sit and watch them squander away games, they’re still competitive and talented and with a tweek here or there, could still make some noise this year.
by 1 and done on Nov 19, 2010 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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But someone has to tell Jumbo to hit someone!!! Hell, imho, Jumbos list of good things is 1) setting up goals, 2) hitting people with that 6’4" frame of his, and 3) scoring! He has to be physical goddammit!!
We in Dallas...
…had the same issue last year, with James Neal coming off of a suspension. It wasn’t until this season started up that he was back to his old crash-the-net-happy self.
Caution kills intensity, and aside from getting nailed by Benn, Jumbo Joe was noticeably absent last night. I for one hope he comes back strong for you guys, the rivalry isn’t the same without him.
See you all next game!
by Angelou Del Angel on Nov 19, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently hitting people with his 6’4" frame results in suspensions though…
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
I am still hopeful....
And going down to the Tank today to get some tickets….
Hockey Gods! Are you listening??? We need you more than ever!
Happy Friday to everyone.
Awful game last night
It’s all pretty much been summed up in here though so I’m not going to add my own personal rant.
Does anyone else think Heatley has been playing pretty poorly the last few games?
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Heatley is Heatley.
He’s a liability in the defensive zone. Why he gets minutes on the PK and in crunch time when leading baffles me. He’s never been my favorite player, and I have a bad habit of finding one player on my teams to constantly bitch about. So my objectivity is dubious on this topic. But I get to yell at him alot when he appears on my TV, so I got that goin’ for me.
by dikfor on Nov 19, 2010 1:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't call this game horrible
But at the end of the third, our Sharks were making some of the dumbest mistakes you can make. And that Frustrates me the most!!! When this team is on, its the most dangerous team since the stacked Oilers in the 80’s! But when they get bad, they look like a minor league team!!!!
Very disappointing, but...
Witnessing the full 60 minute effort the Sharks put forth on Monday against LA, I’m going to say that the 3 games in 4 nights and the absence of Murray and Wallin (the one of late) had something to do with their performance (or lack of) in the last 2 games. Most of the team looked drained by 2nd half of the 3rd. Not an excuse, because we know they have to be capable of closing the deal under any situation. But if nothing else, this is a way to pacify myself so I don’t buy into the doom and gloom that many are feeling. My cup of teal is still 1/2 full. GO SHARKS!
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Marc-Andre Bergeron
So, ESPN is rumoring that he’s on DW’s radar and that he might come cheap. I believe he’s still an UFA? I think he played last year for the Habs at under a million. NHL Numbers computes that we have about $800 under the cap, so perhaps a trade/giveaway is in the works to clear up some more space. I guess this is why DW earns the big bucks! I’m guessing something is brewing and we should hear about it soon. He’s got to be steaming about the poor play at the end of the last two games, especially being a D-man his whole career.
If we want to stop poor play in our own end…then Bergeron is the exact opposite of what we need.
I agree that we need a puck mover type, but Bergeron is an absolute black hole on defense…like 100x worse than Kaberle.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Total agreement.
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In an effort to cheer people up a little
I recommend watching this highlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DSjhCWgqUg
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It ruins the whole highlight
But then again, they ruin most things
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WTF? Dallas? Really?
Didn’t we just kick LA’s Ass?
(sorry, I have family in town and I’m just getting caught up here).
Oh, and…
WTF?
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Apparently the Sharks are only capable of playing 2 periods of hockey while on the road.
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Apparently.
And I’m going to back up McMafia’s comments earlier: the whole league seems F’ed up this year. Vancouver losing. Coyotes kicking the Blues’ ass. Columbus kicking the Blues’ ass.
I swear to God, I saw four horsemen on the crest of the Caleveras Foothills just now.
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by Noctro on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a weird year.
Somebody said we’re on pace for 98 pts which was good for 8th place last year…
One, I doubt we continue this pace because it’s maddening. I think well either get better or worse. Something has to give. These types of games wear on your psychological state as a player.
But I think besides a couple teams we might see less 110+ pt teams this year. Wouldn’t be surprised to see SJ finish right around 100pts and get 4-5 place in the standings.
Parody.
"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker
by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I think you meant parity but I pretty much agree with this
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
LOL… oh the irony.
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
These types of games wear on your psychological state as a player.
Nevermind your pyschological state as a fan ;o)
Al Stalock, his reflexes are so good, he can smell a fart before someone even lays one."
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NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."
by sharkiesgirl on Nov 19, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Vancouver losing
That’s just karma for Luongo’s awful contract and him getting a gold in spite of sucking and nearly costing his team.
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Or Canadian media hype..
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
rec'd
for the four horsemen allusion. English teachers love that shit!!:)
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
Look at the games from tonight (Saturday) alone…
Detroit blows one late and loses at home to Minnesota in OT. Calgary is up 7-1 with an Iginla hat trick (after a horrible season for him so far). Atlanta shuts out the Caps 5-0. Lowly Buffalo beats LA. If Columbus takes out the Ducks they’ll be 11-6 on the season.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?
Enjoy watching the playoffs without the Stars in them, again.
Also, enjoy watching other Dallas fans show what front running fuck wads they are by not showing up to games while the team is rebuilding.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Sorry, I don't buy that crap about Joe being cautious.
We did kick LA’s ass Monday, and that was post Jumbo-gate.
The biggest difference in that game from last night (roster-wise) was a lack of Murray, and Nitty-Nitty-BANG in net.
Read into that what you will.
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(er...Nitty-Nitty Bang! Bang!)
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You could always do one where hes on the Whopper guys body. Then he IS the hamburger…
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
So I’m actually taking a soviet/russian politics class and am absolutely fighting the urge to put a “in soviet russia…” joke in there. I’m fairly sure I would get an insta F … :(
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
If, in Soviet Russia, you asked the question “what is government?” one likely response would have been “the government is you.” But we have to examine this “government is you” response carefully…
That MIGHT work, if it had anything to do with the government becoming more democratic :P Alas it has to do with oil and fun stuff liek that
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hey as long as it ain't gay... Hugs bro'... LOL
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by skilletboy on Nov 19, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
The TSA are standing by
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*is
grammar fail… this is how sad the Sharks make me right now…
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Don't worry Elvis...
…happens to me all the time, man.
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Tehehe. Much to my amusement though :)
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Watching that game last night
put me into a depression. Losing on back to back nights in the exact same fashion grinds a little at this point in the year, and serves as a microcosm of the season. After Ribeiro scored in OT, I felt like someone kicked me in the balls and then stole my dog. It’s just flabbergasting the ways we’re finding to lose.
For it to be the Stars who did it to us, and Ribero who scored the key goals…I mean, I’m not sure you could have written a worse script…
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ott with the assist
That would have made me hurt small animals
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To quote Worf
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+1 for a solid reference
-1 for a bad episode
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Hah, what, you didn’t like the plethora of crap Holodeck episodes that Roddenberry and subsequently Berman inexplicably kept making?
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And I just realized that’s a Q episode, not Holodeck. Still, the Holodeck episodes are all pretty awful, especially Dixon Hill and Sherlock Holmes.
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Check out Washington getting boat-raced by Atlanta!
3 goals first 10 mins by ATL. Brings me some relief from my Shark-inflicted pains from the past two nights!
BOO!
The Caps have been my source of solice in this crappy Sharks season. Don’t need them to start losing too…
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Buck up! You still have your /choke lakers…
by animadiversion on Nov 19, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
112-95 over the T-Wolves tonight...
Yeah, they’re cruising. I’ll catch up with them in the playoffs :)
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
i agree with overtime
at least this year… or wait… hm…
good overtime moments against the stars—
1998—Zyuzin scores from the point on Belfour—i want front row on the second tier with a sign that said “good shooters shoot eagles”—i was 11 years old
2008—Pavs shot from the dots. Perfect. But of course we lost in overtime i believe the very next game…
The problem is...
When trading away players who are playing bad…everyone else knows they’re playing bad too…so their value drops.
Right now Mitchell probably is worth more than Setoguchi. And Ferriero is probably worth a low draft pick.
Playing not to lose
Every loss the team has taken so far this season that i’ve watched has been when their defensive zone play has been seemingly zone play and not man to man. Pretty much they start playing in their own end like it is a penalty kill, except it is 5 on 5. EVERY TIME that has happened, i’ve had that gut feeling “oh no” and sure enough within 30 seconds of that feeling we get scored on, because we are letting the other team do exactly what they want. Yet when we then get the puck we can’t get into their zone, or in it the puck carrier is under so much pressure that they can’t do jack.
It is so frusterating when they start playing not to lose, and end up giving up goals (even if they don’t end up losing the game, they give up goals whenever they shift to that playstyle). The best defense is a good offense. Even when you’re up 4-2, when you play with the goal of getting more points on the stat sheet, your offense holds up that score even if you’re not successful in lengthening it. When you stop even for a second with that mindset and revert to “ok lets contain them so they can’t catchup” then you’ve lost already.
On top of that, i’d seriously like to know if they even practice 4v4 play at all. They’re terrible in 4v4 offset penalties, and they’re terrible in OT. In all the games this season, in all the 4v4 I think they’ve only had something like maybe 3 solid offensive chances, while giving up tons (and obviously thats not counting the goals that provided the losses). The only game thats gone to OT that we’ve won happened on a shootout.
Some time spent practicing 4v4 would not be wasted……we’ve had enough 4v4 penalty time and obviously would be helpful if to not win OTs outright, to at least get them to the shootout stage…..
God, the last 2 days have crushed my spirit more than anything.
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