Sharks win 4-3, but two points come with a price
At this point in the season, two points are two points. And since this recap is coming on Sunday morning as opposed to Saturday night, I'm switching gears rather quickly into what last night's gutty win against the Edmonton Oilers means for the San Jose Sharks.
Specifically, the blueline. And more specifically, how this will effect their success going forward.
Jason Demers was injured in a 3-0 shutout loss to the Columbus Blue Jackets on November 20th, and has since been placed on the Injured Reserve. From what I can tell the Sharks haven't placed him on the LTIR, which means he could play on Tuesday. But with most injury reports speculating that he has an issue with his hand, possibly a tendon, it's probably safe to say he gets more games in the press box before coming back to play. I wouldn't expect him back before early December at the soonest.
Niclas Wallin and Kent Huskins were injured last night as well, with Wallin's looking to be the most serious of the two. In a collision near the end line Wallin crashed into the boards with what appeared to be his knee. He was helped off the ice, and a wheelchair was ushered into the locker room to help escort him to a local Edmonton hospital for tests. No updates outside of that, but the optics definitely did not look good-- I'd peg him for an early December return at the earliest as well.
However, there is a distinct potential that both individuals are out for a much longer extended period of time than just a few games. It would not be a surprise to see Demers and Wallin see very lengthy LTIR time in the near future, with Wallin's injury looking especially bad visually. More information will surface over the coming days, so be sure to keep your eyes peeled.
In terms of the short term, there's a potential situation in play that will see the Sharks play without three of their opening night defenseman (Demers, Wallin, Huskins) over the coming days. That's a huge blow to the team's blueline depth, and one that sets up a situation where Derek Joslin, Justin Braun, and any combination of Mike Moore, Jay Leach, Nick Schaus, Matt Irwin, or any other Worcester player could be seeing regular NHL minutes for the time being. Justin Braun has looked good in his time up with the team, and could provide some of that offensive spark that has been missing from the blueline during the first twenty games of the year. Derek Joslin has also been serviceable, and the other potential call-ups have shown glimpses of potentially being able to take on shifts at the NHL level.
However, it wouldn't be a core that inspires a whole lot of confidence, especially with Marc-Edouard Vlasic struggling, Dan Boyle seeing an exorbitant amount of minutes, and the team's blueline already seen as the weak link in the roster. In short, it's a situation that will either see some unfamiliar names make huge steps in their professional career or lead the Sharks down a path of inconsistency and struggles unseen even this season. It's exciting and terrifying all at the same time.
Furthermore, this will set off trade speculation surrounding Sharks GM Doug Wilson's attempts to bring a defenseman in via trade. However, possibly even more so than last week, that discussion runs into a wide variety of factors getting in the way:
However, these home run deals are becoming much harder to come by, and by their very nature should be considered a product of luck just as much as a product of skill. Management teams across the country have become much more privy to the implications of the salary cap system, and are hoarding effective players because of it. Coupled with the fact that Wilson would not have the upper hand in negotiations right now as teams are fully aware that he is looking for an upgrade (most likely on the backend), as well as the fact that there aren't a whole lot of teams with an eye to the future beyond the 2010-2011 NHL season, and you run up against quite a few roadblocks preventing San Jose from acquiring a top three defenseman at a price that won't significantly hurt their forward group.
The Sharks need a top three defenseman in order to become legitimate Stanley Cup contenders-- we touched upon it all summer, and the idea behind it is as true today as it ever was. There's no question on where I stand on the subject. And one has to think Wilson will eventually get San Jose the upgrade they need, or at the very least, exhaust all possible avenues trying to do so.
But in order for that to happen, he is going to need time. Time for teams to become sellers, time for the Sharks to improve which will increase his bargaining power, and time for players falling short of expectations to bolster their trade value.
>> Fear The Fin, "Is a trade on the horizon for the San Jose Sharks?"
Considering the current makeup of the standings, it's hard to envision a Western Conference team making an inter-Conference trade. If Wilson looks to the East, he runs into the same issues-- why move an effective top three defenseman for futures when the season still has sixty games remaining? There's no market for it right now.
Then one must consider Devin Setoguchi's trade value-- as we mentioned before, his stat line has regressed over the last three seasons, leading to a two goal output through 21 games this year. Not exactly quid pro quo material for a team looking to make an impact now. Coupled with his current stint in the press box with an undisclosed injury and you find yourself in a place where his value in a trade is non-existent.
So if futures and young talent is off the radar, who gets you a top three defenseman? Roster players. Just the type of individuals the Sharks can't afford to give up right now, especially when one considers that all the ones with market value right now are going to be even more important for the Sharks short and long term success from Tuesday nights game against Detroit to the final standings in April.
It's a tough situation for San Jose. And while one would be a fool to count Doug Wilson out in November, one must also be cognisant of the situation he is dealing with right now with other General Managers. His bargaining power non-existent, and his trade chips either underperforming or too essential to the team right now to even consider moving.
My guess is the kids take the minutes now before potential moves begin to emerge. Let's hope that by that time San Jose is playing with black chips, and not with fire.
Go Sharks.
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Great insight plank
It is definitely going to be a tough stretch going forward. I’m confident dw won’t make any stupid trades out of desperation. If wallin is the only one out for the really long term I think the sharks would be able to keep it together until his return. If more than one of these guys misses more than a few games I think we have a problem.
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by sharks in oc on Nov 28, 2010 7:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Braun and Vlasic play well together, based off what was seen last night. Since odds are good he may be up here for awhile, even if it’s on and off, he might be exactly what the Sharks need to bust Vlasic out of his slump.
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Seeing as how we need three starting replacements on D, I would like to see Braun, Joslin, and Petrecki get the call. I don’t think pairing two rookies together would be a good idea so lines like this would have to work:
Boyle – Joslin
Vlasic – Braun
Murray – Petrecki
by kiwi93 on Nov 28, 2010 8:01 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Petrecki?
He’s soooo far down the list, isn’t he? He still needs time to develop,I thought. Tho perhaps we’re desperate enough to call him up for a game or two?
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Leach and Moore would come up before Petrecki I would think.
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by SharksFanTillDeath on Nov 28, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
SHARKS!!!!!
Good write up and I agree Plank, don’t think DW will trade yet.
Wow, that was a crazy 48 hours, each game had its fair share of issues, but its in those cases that players can raise their game and rise from the NHL player pack. Boyle, Murray, Vlasic and Braun…freaking cheers guys!! 2 D down in the first…cue the Ray Ratto commercial, whatever dickface that decided to air that picked the perfect time, if Ratto said ‘you gonna eat that’ at the end it would’ve been more believable, CSN seems to have a real understanding of the Sharks fanbase, not. ‘Fan Up’? They can ‘Shut the Fuck up’! There is my reaction to that.. I am glad that we only gave 2 points away instead of 4 like last back to back. That was a great effort from the whole team and damn Heater can shoot! Bring up Moore and Joslin. SHARKS!!!!
Dont forget the Sharks also almost lost another big lead in the 3rd period, that also isnt a good sign going forward.
Onto the defense issue, trading isnt likely an option, nor is free agency. The big names that could possibly be available are Jay Mckee, Shane Hnidy, Mathieu Schnieder, and M-A Bergeron. That isn’t a list that inspires me to go out and make a signing.
With the 4 healthy defense from last night (Boyle, Murray, Vlasic, and Braun) and the one in the press box, (Joslin). I think the right call up is Jay Leach. He is a solid veteran who has experience with the Sharks from last year. This is the exact situation he was signed for in my mind, the emergency role player with that lovely two way contract. This allows the temptation of icing a two rookies or a rookie on every pairing to not be a factor.
Murray-Boyle
Vlasic-Braun
Leach-Joslin
One thing to be careful of though is that Murray has been picking up some serious dings blocking shots over the last couple games, how much is that affecting him? It may be wise to call up Mike Moore as a 7th D or atleast leave his number on speed dial with a private jet waiting so he can make the trip to SJ at the drop of a hat.
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Good point
but i would call up one of the kids, because we also need to expose the people in minors to NHL games so that the team knows where each player is at. I think that Braun has definitely shown why the sharks loved him so much and he should become a regular pretty soon here. I also think that we are in that part of the season where calling up younger legs could be a better idea, because it seems as though we need to start taking minutes away from Boyle and Murray, and handing them to a pair that can handle it, which would be the younger Dmen. Personally, I like the idea of calling up Patrecki so we can see what he is made of, or even Moore again.
Agree about Leach...
He knows the system, has been up with this club before, and I actually liked what I saw from him last season when he was here. I think we’re going to have enough open spots to get some kids a look…but our blueline is holey enough as it is, as don’t need a full 3/6 of it learning the NHL game at the same time. Leach could provide some stability on the third pairing.
I could live with that…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I think those are good points about the defense.
And I think Leach might be the best choice at this point. I wouldn’t want him to replace Braun, I think, but if we need a guy to plug a hole, we know he can do the work.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
I think I heard the announcers say that Braun had been playing with Leach in Woostah.
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Ha, I thought I heard it that way, too. I wondered at first if it was a Northern Canadian accent pronounciation, but decided that he was just a doofus.
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Painful but good win.
Losing two more bodies hurts a lot. Wallin isn’t amazing, but he’s been solid and Huskins has been working hard and holding up his responsibilities. Good to see the guys rally, even with the scare at the end, and get a win that ended up being hard-fought and gutsy.
The way Braun has played gives me a lot of hope. He was our most productive defenseman last night (though Murray’s many hits/blocks and Vlasic’s 5 blocks earn them contention for that title, too), and he wasn’t bad against the Canucks. He managed to be only a -1 in that cluster-Nuck in a decent amount of minutes for a rookie.
If we can hold out for the return of any two of Huskins/Demers/Wallin (especially those first two), it might all work out.
And I think, at this point, if DW trades he doesn’t go for a top 3 guy right now, but a guy who is close to NHL ready or who is playing bottom-line minutes and might be ready to step up. I think even that might be a stretch, but it’s probably all we can afford right now if we feel forced to trade.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Got to say I’m excited about Braun. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who excels in any one area, but could be a really solid guy moving forward. And the best thing of all is his hockey awareness—especially in terms of getting the puck to the net. Lord knows we need more of that (now and in the future). He seemed a little out of place on the first goal, but I’m definitely getting some Demers vibes from him.
by Timorous Me on Nov 28, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I've been looking him up a little more today.
Scouting reports and awards for him make me even a little more excited about him. Hockey’s Future clearly wrote their article on him before he finished at UMass and they call him a defensive defenseman with excellent stick handling and wise positioning. SBN says he’s got some offensive upside. He won the Best Defensive Defenseman award for Hockey East in ’09.
I think we’ve seen a more complete spread of his offensive skills than his defensive ones. If he can continue his progression the way he did through college, he’ll stop making the mistakes he’s made and could be a great partner for Demers or Vlasic.
Nothing’s sure and I don’t want to overhype the kid, but I’m in to his game so far and this might be a case of a guy in our system getting a chance to prove he’s ready at the same time as we really need someone to step up.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
I found all the same stuff online last night. The write-up does seem outdated, but it’s not surprising considering he’s played what, 20 or 30 games at the AHL level?
Of course, that last statement also makes it hard to not be quite excited by Braun, too. It seems like he’s really grown as an overall player since his early days in college (and has figured things out considerably on the offensive end, considering his jump in points each year), so hopefully he can continue that growth at the AHL and NHL levels.
It also appears he wore the “C” as a senior at UMass…and that he might become a fan favorite of some not just for his hockey skills: http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/braun_justin00.html
His mug shot reminds me vaguely of JR.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
I'm amused
At how many of his teammates are on the WorSharks these days. I think UMass should officially be considered one of the Sharks development affiliates.
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What a disappointing win
Yeah, I’ll take the win, but there’s no excuse. Being up 4-1 with less then 10 minutes to go, then letting the Oilers score twice within a minute or so is unnaceptable.
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Yeah
But think about how much each Dman had to play. They were gassed at the end. There was no way they could be physical and keep the Oiler forwards to the outside, so the fact that they got back together after allowing those 2 goals and held on for the win was good.
I agree with Sharks_Own on this one
The team’s blue line did an great job considering we only had 4 Dmen to play for almost the entire game. After both Huskins and Wallin became injured it was apparent that the team was going to have a tough battle. They were able to spread out their strength long enough to keep that 1 point lead. The last couple of minutes were hard fought.
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by ZombieSkittles on Nov 28, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
And to top it all off, it was the 2nd night of a back-to-back.
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Good point
I forgot that it was a back to back game.
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by ZombieSkittles on Nov 28, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I usually don't agree when people make excuses but:
I give the Sharks more leeway with the adversity they faced last night. They were missing 1/3rd of their defenseman and all of those guys were running on E out there. I’m more impressed with the fact they were able to weather the storm after those two goals.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 28, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Against a better team (sorry Oilers), being down to only 4 Ds would have destroyed us. I’m happy with this win.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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I’m not as concerned about our late “collapse”. The defense was overworked for a good portion of the game, and I think everyone had to take extra shifts… definitely fatigued the guys.
I’d be happy if Leach is called up. I had forgotten about him, but he seems like a fairly decent replacement. Nothing outstanding, but not exactly crappy either. And here’s a chance for some of our young guys in the AHL to make their mark. Moore, Joslin, Braun, and Petrecki come to mind… though I’d rather have Leach than Petrecki at this point.
Should be interesting to see the lineup versus the Wings… and how well they’ll do against a strong offensive team.
Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"
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and this is what happens?! I was in the air for the Hawks game, which looked decent from the highlights, watched two periods of the Vancouver game, which was bloody awful, and was in the air for the Oil last night. Man, this reminds me of what the Wings went through last year (or was it the year before?) with all the injuries, sitting in the bottom-middle of the standings, looking like this would be an off year. Still some time left in the season, and we get to see some youngsters play! We just gotta roll with this, Sharks fans.
Despite the near collapse, I was rather proud of the team
According the official TOI stats, Huskins and Wallin contributed for 9 shifts and 9:12 of ice time combined. That meant that the rest of the defense had to play a combined 111:48 – roughly 27:42 each (assuming there were two defensemen on the ice at all times – thankfully, Pavelski could play the point on the PP and helped with those minutes). Those types of minutes are hard to play on a normal night – that it was on the second half of a back-to-back made it even more impressive.
In Justin Braun’s first NHL game, he played 16:56, a rather typical number for a rookie/third-pairing defenseman. In his second NHL game, he played 22:48 – borderline top pairing minutes in a normal situation. He was thrust into the role of a top four defenseman on an NHL team in his first pro season – in his second NHL game, nonetheless – and had 2 assists, was a +2, blocked 2 shots, and really only had one big mistake.
I was impressed with the forwards, as well. As the four remaining defensemen were pretty much glued to the point to conserve their energy, the forwards were the only forecheckers and were often outnumbered down low. Yet, they were able to create and sustain several cycles throughout the game, keeping the puck away from the Oilers and allowing the defense to have some easier minutes. There was one amazing cycle later in the game with Heatley and Thornton, with the two of them quite literally skating in circles around the Oilers for an extended period of them. No goal resulted from it, but it was an example of two of the big guys on the team taking charge and absolutely dominating the opposition.
Dan Boyle, as I expected after seeing both Wallin and Huskins get hurt and with Braun playing only his second NHL game, played over 30 minutes. He did that on the second half of a back-to-back. The guy is amazing.
Yes, the team allowed two goals in the third period to make things more tense than they needed to be, but ultimately they got the two points, and showed considerable character after having to play two whole periods with only two defensemen.
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by ZombieSkittles on Nov 28, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Groan...
Our blueline is cursed…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions
SSHHHH!!!
Think happy thoughts Z.
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by ZombieSkittles on Nov 28, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
aww
poor ZI. Last thing we needed for the ‘think positive’ campaign
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by ZombieSkittles on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
She taught us all how last season
it hurts ;P LOL!
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Are we forgetting that we can still trade one of our goalies for help?
I know that Nittymaki has been more consistent, but Niemi has played a little better of late. It sounds to me like Stalock would be a good backup with the potential to become a starter in the near future. He is ranked very highly by the GoalieGuild prospects. I’ve been watching what they say about him, but we might be able to trade Niemi in a package for a more than serviceable d-man. I’m thinking that even though the guys like Plank are saying inter-conference trades won’t happen, some teams like the Avs have too many d-men to handle and there are rumors that cumisky is available. I think there are more options available than the guys really know about. We can only speculate, but if DW wants to keep his job, he may have to make something happen by Christmas.
by Timothy Graveline on Nov 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions
Why would the Avs want Niemi, though? They have Anderson and Niemi isn’t going to be any more exciting to them as a back up for them than he is for us.
What I think Plank is more saying that teams in our own conference aren’t going to want to give us pieces that could solidify us as playoff or Cup contenders without extracting a heavy price in return. DW doesn’t get bamboozled, so he waits till he can sell the least he can to get the most he can, which makes the East the easier target often times. The ownership understands and values that principle and that’s why I think there’s no deadline for roster moves that he has to meet to save his job. If the team misses the playoffs, he might be in trouble, though I’d honestly be surprised to see him fired this season; I think he gets at least one bad season in return for being one of the best GM’s in the league for years.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Agreed
Also not sure if they do want to pull up Stalock – he’s a great prospect and I’m sure after the whole Greiss incident they don’t want to screw with the development of another goalie. Though, if someone, against all odds, wants Niemi, it’s possible we see him called up out of sheer necessity.
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Especially terrible goaltenders that no one wanted in the offseason anyways like Niemi. He would be a non-entity in a trade. And we need him right now with Greiss across the pond…making Stalock a backup right now would hugely hinder his development.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
If Doug Wilson's job is in jeopardy, Management is running around with its head cut off
As much as no one is in the market to give up a top 3 defenseman, the market for teams LOOKING for goaltending is dryer than Death Valley. Goalies were literally a dime a dozen this off-season. Unless someone goes down with a season ending injury, our goaltenders are staying put. And Niemi, in spite of his “improvement” recently, has zero trade value. Don’t look for either netminder to fetch us more than picks and prospects.
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The goalies
I would not trade Niemi…..Nittymaki would get more trade value for a D-man but you know what Justin Braun deserves a shot to play for the big team in San Jose. He looked good vs Edmonton and lets see how he plays tonight vs detroit. I still have the full amount of confidence in Niemi especial when playoffs start. We haven’t had a goalie with a stanley cup under his resume since Mike Vernon.
as for Alex Stalock …… Harri Satari is a much better goalie!
Let's keep it all in perspective
Its the regular season and hence teams are not making moves because its just for regular season points. What do those mean once the playoffs begin?
Sharks have plenty of talent to get into the playoffs. Any trades have to be made with an eye on how it changes the team come playoff time. Nothing else. We don’t need to make a move now that just makes us better for the next month or whatever time is needed to get these guys healthy. Now if a permanent long-term solution is offered then sure DW is going to make the move, but no reason to think that will happen until February.
Braun, Joslin, Leach, Moore…all guys who can suit up at the NHL level. Do we really need to be that worried?
Do we really need to be that worried?
Being as the Sharks were playing like fringe playoff contenders before our blueline all left for the infirmary, and the blueline was the main cause of this…yes, I’d say we have to be very, very worried if multiple of these injuries happen to be of the long-term variety. Taking for granted that this team will automatically make the playoffs just because they are the Sharks is such a dangerous mindset…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yes we do need to be worried
Because behind Boyle, Vlasic, Murray, Wallin, Huskins and Demers, this team has still struggled. Joslin and Moore have both had stints with the big club this season, and neither has impressed. Braun looked good, but he was playing against an awful team in the Oilers. He’s shown promise, no doubt, but, we have to temper expectations of a kid playing his first NHL games. We have a known quantity in Leach. He’s servicable, plays with a ton of heart, knows the system and is accountable, but ultimately lacks the physicality to be a full time NHLer.
Obviously any trade must improve the team over the long term. But the possibility of the team sinking in the standings as it’s without half of its NHL level blueline is a very distinct possibility. And with the prospects to fill the void from within the organization not terribly exciting, you have to think trades sooner rather than later. We knew going into the season the trade market was going to be sparse. If the team had stayed healthy, it was going to be difficult to make a trade anyway. Our bargaining position just got worse, which makes any trade less likely.
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It’s funny going from baseball season to hockey season. In baseball it seems like you know every detail of a players injury, what he is doing to rehab, and when he will be back. In hockey it’s all such a mystery. Guy takes a puck to the face and it’s an “upper body injury” all so vague and nebulous. I totally understand why they do this, it’s just an adjustment coming from baseball! I really expected to see something on last night’s injuries this morning…. silly me.
It doesn’t help that the Sharks are a little excessively secretive, though. I just hope that if Wallin has a major injury they’re kind enough to provide a little clarity on the subject. Right now I’m pretty annoyed, though, that there’s basically nothing out about Seto and so little about Demers. I imagine it would drive a beat writer a little nuts.
I’m actually extra suspicious on Seto. DP said he couldn’t find a likely injury on tape. That doesn’t mean there isn’t one there, but it’s odd that he’s walking around with no apparent injury and the beat guy couldn’t find video of him getting dinged.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
I thought he was the one that took a puck to the facial region during practice or warmups, or something. I’m probably confusing people’s injuries, but I thought one of the recent ones wasn’t game related.
Puck to the face was Nichol. Seto played the first against the Canucks then just never returned.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Sure thing. With them coming fast and furious the last couple weeks, it’s easy to get confused.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Any chance...
it’s not injury related? are there issues going on with his production or smthg – 2 pts in 21 games? did something flare up? no tweets since vancouver on his personal twitter either…
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If it's mental...
That’s a really awful sign. Starting a game and having a mental issue to the point that he couldn’t return could devastating. Or the kind of thing that ends his career in San Jose if he said or did something to some team/staff member off of that. I’m hoping that’s not the case, but I’m a little worried about it.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
by Auth0r on Nov 28, 2010 10:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
My sister reminds me...
that apparently DP says it’s a “day to day” upper body injury. So that’s good, I guess?
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Yeah, it is.
The other possibility is that he’s sick and they don’t want to admit it. Which would fit nicely in a “day to day” situation.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Why would they not want to admit it?
Just curious.
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They never admit any injury or most illnesses. Theoretically, this is to keep other teams from figuring it out, but who knows if it actually works.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Yeah, there’s nothing on that there twitter thing about the injuries. It always seemed that Baggs’d be following dudes into the MRI room!
In a contact sport I fully understand the need for secrecy, but as a fan you also have concern about the players well being.
I can’t help but wonder, though, in a sport where opposing scouts obviously are on top of things, if it really matters at all most of the time to keep these injuries under veil.
Maybe in the case of Setoguchi, where it’s a mystery to all, but many of these injuries are really obvious. Demers and his hand? Wallin and his knee/ankle? I don’t really see the point.

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by ninakix on Nov 28, 2010 1:36 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Rofl...
Sharks defense at it’s finest…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Damnit Eberle, I said left foot GREEN!
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by Evilducks on Nov 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
In my opinion
The Sharks are only going to get better from here. Being down a few key D men is just what they need to fill the gaps and try to play alot more mistake free hockey. Now, it’s a bit counterintuitive, but I do think having less men will cause them to shorten shifts and play on their toews toes. I look forward to seeing what D pairings come out for the Detroit game!
Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.
Wow, dude, what are you smoking?
And I ask that legitimately, because I seriously want some. Whatever turns “losing D men from an already really bad blueline” into “this is a good thing” must be freaking awesome.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
As a fan
I watch every aspect of the game, whether it be offense, defense, goalie or how SJ sharkie shoots shirts from those cannon thingys. I’ve watched this team for years, through thick and thin and I’ve seen adversity turn into a proverbial rebirth in their game. This is could be one of those times. As a player myself I’ve had to play when a good portion of the team is missing. In those situations, your mind is sharper, your senses are more acute and you pay attention to the stress on your body. You have to be accountable for yourself and clean up your game. The Sharks have been sloppy lately. Cleaning up and being accountable will improve this team exponentially. Nonetheless, This adversity will either make or break this team. But after seeing years and years of Sharks hockey and having some faith in the team on the ice, I think more good will come from this.
Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.
by Pavsisaninja on Nov 28, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Hope you’re right man. I wish I had your optimism.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
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by sharks in oc on Nov 28, 2010 3:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Plus it gives some of the WSharks players some needed NHL experience, and a chance to show whether they belong in the NHL or not.
"Take a deep breath sometimes, a break, and play some hockey."
"Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)
I don't totally disagree
I think we’ve seen this team is good at rising to challenges, but find themselves bored and under preforming in other games. I wonder if this is something that can spur them to get out and play better
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Adversity is good
And it’s good that this adversity is not of their making. You can’t help it if a bunch of guys go down to freak injuries while playing hard hockey. I know what you are saying when you believe that they’re going to simplify their game. I don’t know if I agree, as they haven’t done that all season. A combination of two things need to happen. One, T-Mac needs to get this team on the same page when it comes to the defensive schemes, and Two, the “Leadership” on this team, HTML and the rest of the top 9 forwards, who have largely been responsible for the sort of sloppy play that lead to the turnovers and defensive miscues, need to step up and lead by example with their play.
The good news is we saw some of that last night. The bad news is it was against the Oilers, so we have to now show we can do it against an NHL team, and our next chance is against the Wings, who are the class of the West this season, hands down.
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It’s fun to see guys like Braun thrust surprisingly into action (and perform admirably), but I think the one place in which this could pay off is in terms of Vlasic’s game. He needs to respond to the pressure of playing an even bigger role, and maybe he can find his game more playing with someone other than Wallin (is it just me or even last night, with Boyle or Braun, did he look much better paired with a right-handed shot?).
Vlasic
Has been VERY quiet this season. I expect to see him step up in the next couple of games!
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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I hope you're right
and him and Braun are like Pavs/Clowe/Couture – just pushing each other on
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Oilers or not
We saw some good things come from the Sharks last night. Perhaps this will start some good habits and have that “simplified mentality” when moving the puck.
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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 28, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
So what you're hoping for...
is consistency? Well, yeah, we’ve been searching for that all year. Who knows if/when it’ll ever show up.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 28, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just think
It could be a Christmas present from the Sharks to us fans.
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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 28, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if they called Rob Blake and asked him to please start working out.
by Merope on Nov 28, 2010 1:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Call Scott Niedermayer while they're at it!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Maybe we could call up Cheechoo and sign Nolan to play defense.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I think Jeff Friesen and Lukas Kaspar are available, too.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Hell, we've got Ricci and Marchment.
Maybe DW’ll suit up, too.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
I'm only half kidding on the Niedermayer thing though...
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Im half serious on this suggestion.
If this blue line were to get any thinner, would the coaching staff consider pulling a Fedorov with Marleau and slide him back to the blue line? Marleau has the skating, size, puck handling, and defensive awareness to serve as a defenseman in a pinch.
Just food for thought.
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I was thinking who could (hypothetically, of course) pull a Federov on the Sharks. I don’t see it happening, but Marleau and Pavelski seem responsible enough to do so.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 28, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
DW is gonna have another crazy steal or something in the next few weeks...
Who knows, if our stars are aligned, maybe we can even get Nabby back ….
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Imagine
A Nabby-Nitty duo.
Nabby is “locked” into his $6 million Russian contract. However, as I understand it, Russian contracts are 75-25 when it comes to salary, where they get 75%, and the other 25% depends on playoffs. Or something like that. They also play about 20 less games in their season than the NHL.
The way the Russian League ignores NHL contracts might work in reverse. If Nabby keeps giving up all those goals over there (IMHO due to the larger ice and more spread-out play), they might also try to release him.
It’s not likely to happen, though.
"Take a deep breath sometimes, a break, and play some hockey."
"Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)
Excellent thoughts Plank. I’m not going to hit the panic button until we hear that one of these was placed on LTIR. But if that happens, we’ll be essentially trying to make playoffs with AHL defense, plus tired Boyle who’ll have to log 30 minutes a night, inconsistent Murray and Vlasic.
DW said when they released Lilja that he’s confident in our young corps. As he didn’t do anything to sign depth, he’ll live or die now by these words now.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
sheldon souray
Wilson needs to give the oiler’s gm a call and tell him he’ll take sheldon souray on reentry waivers. I know he’s had injuries in his ahl time, but he’ll turn around…. and the sharks have had success turning an assumed me-first player into a good team player (heatly).
Plus if he sucks, he can always send him down
I think they're still working on Heatley
Honestly…
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Honestly, I think you might be right. Of course, it’s sort of the nature of the best for sniper-type of players in the NHL…which is a problem with collecting too many of these guys on one team. That and the enormous salaries. It’s just never going to be part of Heatley’s DNA to be constantly defensively responsible.
Not that Souray is wired in exactly the same way, but no…no, no, no. Don’t need to go there.
by Timorous Me on Nov 28, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of hands....
Anyone see demers is skating today? Does that mean he’s not gonna be out much longer? Plsssssss?
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Him coming back might would be the best news of the week.
I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.
Free D
Kim Johnsson, free agent recovering from concussion (discount). No trade cost/loss. What is wrong with Vlasic? Most off the D has played better then expected (by many) except the one everyone counted as consistent.
Jonsson retired, I do believe.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 29, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions

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