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Whenever the Red Wings roll into town you can feel the electricity in the air.

Tonight is no exception.

Detroit comes into tonight on top of the Western Conference, managing to distance themselves ever so slightly from the rest of the pack with a Conference leading 32 points in 21 games. They've accomplished this in nearly every conceivable way possible-- by scoring goals at a 3.48 per game clip (2nd in NHL), limiting goals against to 2.62 a game (10th in NHL), and finishing teams off with an excellent 13-0-1 record after leading heading into the first or second period. Considering their roster and historical swagger one shouldn't be surprised, but after an injury plagued 2009-2010 season, it's refreshing to see Detroit up at the top of the West once again.

Even if eloquent and classy articles like this make you reconsider the state of the human race.

The usual suspects are all in play here-- Pavel Datsyuk leads the team with 24 points, with Henrik Zetterberg, Todd Bertuzzi, Johan Franzen, Dan Cleary, Tomas Holmstrom, and beyond all rounding out a team that regularly ices four lines that will put pressure on the Sharks defense. Coupled with Niklas Lidstrom's umpteenth year as a legitimate Norris Trophy candidate, as well as Jimmy Howard's respectable .914 SV%, and you have yet another strong squad heading into HP Pavilion wearing the white and red.

They're a well oiled machine that has had the benefit of health this year, and every single player on the roster has averaged over 11 minutes per game. It's way to keep legs fresh over a grueling 82 game season, something that the Sharks haven't been able to do lately.

Skating with four defenseman for two entire periods against Edmonton on Saturday night, Dan Boyle (30:31), Marc-Edouard Vlasic (28:18), and Douglas Murray (26:39) were leaned on heavily by Sharks Head Coach Todd McLellan in the absence of his 4 through 6 defenseman that started the year in San Jose. It was similar to the ice time splits during a road trip to Colorado and Dallas earlier this month, and one has to figure ice time might be just as lopsided tonight.

With Jason Demers, Niclas Wallin, and Kent Huskins all day to day with various ailments, The Tank will see a healthy dose of some of the notable Worcester prospects they have only read about up until this point. Justin Braun, who started the year with the San Jose's AHL affiliate, has impressed in his two games with the team. An offensive defenseman who put up 25 goals in 37 games during his senior year at the University of Massachusetts, Braun has a propensity for carrying the puck through the neutral zone and getting his shots through from the point. For a blueline that has struggled all season with generating offense from the backend after Rob Blake retired, Braun is a welcome addition to the team that could blossom into a Jason Demers type a la 2009-2010. And while he is definitely not the top three defenseman San Jose needs, he's an intriguing player who could fill a hole and potentially play his way onto the starting lineup.

But Detroit is no Edmonton, and a gutty win against the Oilers playing two defenseman short is a far cry from withstanding the barrage of what should be a Red Wings team looking for some type of revenge for last season's playoff ousting. There's nothing quite like a Dallas or Detroit home game, and there's nothing quite like seeing what kind of performance we'll see from an injury-riddled Sharks blueline tonight.

With San Jose in desperate need of points before a big road trip to start December, this is a night where the big guns have to make a difference. On a night where at least three goals will likely be the requisite amount to obtain a win, and the Red Wings a formidable opponent as always, look for Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, and Dany Heatley to produce. Although Lidstrom will see those guys all night, leaving players like Pavelski, Couture, and Clowe better opportunities to score, HTML is the defining line tonight.

They've solved Detroit before. And tonight's the night when they have to do it again.

Prediction: Sharks win 4-3. Goals by Marleau, Heatley, Boyle, and Pavelski. The organization clones Boyle before the road trip to ease some of the minutes off the original.

 

Go Sharks.

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Wow

That article really helps me remember what steaming piles of… classy… most of the Detroit fanbase can be… I really hope we beat them tonight.

Our defense is a wreck, it’s going to have to be one hell of a team effort to beat them and they’re going to be pissed from getting knocked out of the playoffs by us last year.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

That article is nonsense. Totally classless.

Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.

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by sharks in oc on Nov 30, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

You should read some of the comments.

Buttercrunch would actually fit in over there…

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Maybe some of those users should head over to a forum with writers and contributors who can provide a intelligent and fair discussion about hockey.

Stay classy Detroit.

by Lytning on Nov 30, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

If you’re referring to JJ as an unintelligent writer, go read his stuff on the CBA or Kovalchuk and then rethink it

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take your word for it.

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t necessarily think the article’s intelligent or unintelligent either way, but I do think it’s a tad premature for him to count on adding another championship based on play from October-November is all.

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by DownRUpLYB on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t it two years ago that the Sharks like set the record for fastest team to 30 wins in a season or something like that? How’d that work out for us?

Oh, must have been our lack of heart…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean no disrespect. I am not going to go back-and-forth with anyone on this, but you can’t “buy up credit” with intelligent articles in order to get away with trash-talking an entire conference, let alone the rest of the league, over a span of 21 games played.

by Lytning on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That article

Just soiled my browser history.

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 9:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This is a true story btw...

I listed my season tixs to tonights game cause I need the cash… I took a call from some guy who want to buy them… After about 2 mins trying to figure out details he admits he’s a Wings fan.

I tell him, sorry, but can’t sell my tickets to a Wings fan. My neighbors in section 206 would kill me. He flips out starts cursing at me, which I gladly return the favor,… So I hang up and sell the tixs to the next person.

About 30-45 mins later dipshit starts texting me, talking shit, asking me “how many cups u got bro?”… And “grow up a little!!”… To which I remind him, he is currently the one talking shut to a complete stranger via text messaging…!

Typical Wings fan. Acts like a 5 year old whiny bitch… WHILE accusing others of being a 5 year old whiny bitch…

Good times…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 9:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Typical Wings fan. Acts like a 5 year old whiny bitch… WHILE accusing others of being a 5 year old whiny bitch…

Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing?

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Thnx for demonstrating the classiness of your fan base…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

hypocritical statement is hypocritical.

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Troll is troll....

Go back to your own yard…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

everybody goes on different blogs

how would you have known about the article if you guys hadn’t?

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

For one our editor posted it and linked it on this article.

And there is a huge difference between reading another blog and trying to convince opposing fans of the superiority of your opinions, on their blog no less…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

so you never go to other blogs unless your editor posts something?

ah never mind…whats the point of this

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

ah never mind…whats the point of this

Exactly. No one here want to read your garbage.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

mm hmm

enjoy the game

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope, not really.

No desire to read fanboyism of other teams. =/

by coleman89 on Nov 30, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Kids calm down

Skillet is angry because he was harassed by a Wings fan for his tickets. We’ve all been heckled by the opposing team before, i’m sure you understand.

Now play nice.

The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly -Jamie Baker

by ZombieSkittles on Nov 30, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually I think he was defending me… :)

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Talking to the wings fans. I jumped onto this forum hella late in the day it went nuts.

The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly -Jamie Baker

by ZombieSkittles on Nov 30, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You are a scholar and a gentleman..

This is one of the most inspiring comments I have read here a FTF. Many blessings to your household for putting aside greed and keeping your integrity!!

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the majority of you are missing the point of JJ’s post. With the Wings starting off with the dominance that they have, the fanbase is feeling really confident about the team. Can you say that Sharks fans haven’t done this in the past? I don’t think so. Realistically, we all know the hot streak will likely die down but is it wrong of us to enjoy it right now?

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what’s being overlooked here is that EvilDucks wasn’t just referring to that article, but rather the entire douchbag body-of-work that most Wings fans represent at all times. That one article simply hints at the aroma that is Red Wing nation.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

every fan base

has douchey fans

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially Detroit…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

no

especially St Louis and Colorado

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

especially Colorado

Yeah, this x1000 if you include Purple Row.

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

purple row

is not bad we have a lot of good fans there…of course there are occasional ones who go into McC and same with McC people coming into our blog doing the same…it happens

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

people like to think that

everybody likes to think the Yankees have the douchiest fans too…people are just bitter that those teams are flat out winners

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Who are you trying to convince…

Like anyone here at FTF is going to agree with you?

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

your being bitter

and trying to say we have the worst fans…i think your opinion is stupid so I am letting you know

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The only thing that’s stupid is the idea that posting this garbage on an opposing teams board is going to get a warm reception…

And pretending you’re not a classes troll..

But thanks for coming! :)

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

You do have the worst fans.

And the worst class of players. Bertuzzi anyone? Stop backing someone who should be in jail for what he did. _

by coleman89 on Nov 30, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Woah woah woah – hold on there, dude. We’re fans of a team with Dany Heatley on it. We don’t have much room to talk ;)

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

>_>

Damnit, forgot about him. Okay, I take it back for now.

by coleman89 on Nov 30, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Really you’re defending Todd Burtuzzi?

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

and here comes skillet

the only douchebag in here that has given me crap for coming on FTF lol everybody else has been cool here

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice. Stay classy.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

your the only one here

getting on me for no reason…even one of your own people said knock it off lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

You’ll notice I wasn’t even responding to you with that Burtuzzi comment…

And I have every right to respond to you.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think she’s just trying to prevent hypocrisy from our side.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not – I think it was a gutless, dirty play and he should have face more consequences. But plenty of people also think that Dany Heatley deserved more than he got – I just want to prevent people from being blinded by teal-colored lenses.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Ze goggles zey do nahsing!

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Damnit

Stop being reasonable, there are Wings fans here!

Rage!

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m trying to act the part of mature moderator. Is it working?

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick! Your mature is showing!!!

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

But defending Detroit is disconcerting…

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

DETROIT SUCKS!

Is that better?

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Much

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

come on now, you guys are better than SCH or STLGT haha

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

stlgt esp

god they are annoying lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

They like drinking

It tends to endear them to other haters of the Winged Wheel

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

i like drinking, but I guess I’m a happy drinker haha

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

But plenty of people also think that Dany Heatley deserved more than he got

Not the victims family funnily enough.

http://wcr.ab.ca/old-site/news/2010/0628/forgive062810.shtml

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I should have specified “plenty of people not involved in the incident think that Heatley deserved more than he got.”

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That's part of my problem with those people

If the victims family can move on, what beef do those folks have?

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It's different for the family

For them, it’s a grief process. For others, it’s a matter of justice and right and wrong, or self-righteousness.

I’ll admit, the fact that the Snyder family went to bat for Heater and he still needed to leave Atlanta smelled foul to me at first. I have come to understand that sometimes, you just need to leave. But that is an intently personal matter to him and the Snyders.

For everyone else, it’s something else.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

self-righteousness

The internet certainly amplifies that!

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

In Dany's defense

At least that was an accident. I’m not sure how you “accidently” sucker punch somebody from behind and drive their skull into the ice.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Granted

Accident caused by immature recklessness. Still, an accident.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Heatley anybody?

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially Detroit.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

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"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said

I agree with your point. We (Sharks) look horrible right now and no relief is in sight. The fan base here is a little sensitive, so I apologize in advance. In addition, I think every teams fans have these territorial discussions at times…ours are just extreme right now because we will probably not make the finals or be contenders if we do.

by Tina Pauley on Nov 30, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to be a dick, but are you really a Sharks fan? All I’ve ever seen from you in negative comments when the sharks dont play too well…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny

Yes I am…and my company is one of the largest sponsors of the Sharks. My annoyance or criticism stems from them not making good decisions in the off-season and/or not playing to potential. In fact, I find it is making me crazy (ier)/(ish). lol

by Tina Pauley on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Being a sponsor doesnt make you a fan though…just saying. Fair enough if you’re a fan you’re a fan, its just odd to only see you comment on the bad is all.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Being a fan doesn’t automatically imply blind support of every decision a team makes, or refusing to come down hard on the team and/or front office when the team is a taken in a direction with which you don’t agree. Obviously, being a fan means different things to different people. Not the time or place for this type of discussion, though.

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

First, thats not what I said. Second, why is it not? Because you don’t deem it reading material? Hardly.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with animal here. There’s a huge difference between bring critical and not overlooking faults, etc and always ripping a team.

Not saying Tina has done that per se… But I think his question is reasonable to ask.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a forum where fans of all sorts (perpetually optimistic, perpetually critical, and everything in between) will come together and voice their opinions, whether you like it or not. Welcome to the internet. I just think it’s a pointless and counterproductive discussion to have, but obviously, by logic , one that you’re entitled to. Just my $0.02.

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

*by my logic

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes thats true, but in place where we discuss the good and the bad, those that harp on JUST the bad are trolls. We have rules against those people. I’m not saying Tina is a troll, hence the question. I dont see why you think its pointless or counterproductive. I think its more pointless and counterproductive to just spew venom or disregard good plays the team makes as well. You have to look at both sides. I am constantly annoyed with the fans on here that blindly criticize the team and those who blindly defend the right to blindly criticize.

This is a forum for discussion. If you want reaffirmation of what you think talk to a mirror. If you want to discuss things then post.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

No

I don’t think the Sharks or their fans have started planning the parade in November before.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, I’m mostly amused, if they’re doing so unbelievably well and we think we’re absolutely horrible… we’re also only 6 points out from them. That’s a joke really.

The cake is that the article points out our window is closed. With the geriatrics that make up a good portion of the Wings, pointing out the Sharks “window is closed” is a freaking joke.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

With the geriatrics that make up a good portion of the Wings, pointing out the Sharks "window is closed" is a freaking joke.

To be fair, everyone cracks wise about the Red Wings being too old for about a season or two, before their next batch of sixth and seventh round draft picks turn into NHL All-Stars and they become a formidable force again. Never, ever count out the Wings for an extended period of time as long as Ken Holland is still the GM.

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by Nael M. on Nov 30, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you see replacements for Lidstrom and Rafalski in there anywhere?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, Lidstrom is 40 years old and still a Norris candidate. I don’t think he’s ever going to stop playing.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems that way sometimes. His production slipped last year though, and it’s only November right now.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d still think that he has around 5 more years of NHL-level play left in him, if not top 10 defenseman play. They have ample time to find a replacement. Well, a quasi-replacement; any team is going to be hard-pressed to find another Lidstrom.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

While I disagree that Lindstrom has 5 more years. He’s pretty much irreplaceable.

Same as Neids was in ANA…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d argue Pronger was a much bigger loss to the Ducks.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It is arguable. But same principle I’m stating. That once Detroit loses Lindstrom it’s going to be a huge loss that they might not be fully able to recover from.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d argue that losing them both within a year really screwed them over.

Thank goodness.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

something we can all agree on (I hope): Screw Anaheim

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d argue that anyone who disagrees with the statement, “Ducks suck,” is not a real Sharks fan.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember hearing about the trade

I was ready to pop a cork and celebrate and couldn’t understand other Sharks fans being upset over how much the Ducks got in that trade…

They LOST Pronger… There isn’t anybody in the league like him, he’s irreplaceable. Ask the Whalers, Blues and Oilers.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget the Pronger curse. A team that trades him always seems to suck until the next team trades him.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL OILERS

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it’s the next two teams? Or until your franchise leaves it’s now fallow fields.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard Paajarvi

will solve all their problems!

By a genius, no less!

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

And Wellwood.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought wellwood would solve all OUR problems.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it was a general

anybody in the league thing.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Wellwood is the Lidstrom of forwards.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

If you went by weight, he’s like 3 Lidstroms

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

screw the ducks!

indeed

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Lidstrom retiring is going to be a huge blow to the team. For now, we’re just whistling along pretending it won’t happen. You’re exactly right though, he’s irreplaceable. We’ll hopefully get some guys that are good but I don’t know if we’ll ever get another d-man like him.

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

The league

Won’t see another d-man like him for 20 years. As much as he’s playing well right now, he’s getting older, and it will start to show more.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

not contradicting in a d-baggy way but his increase in production really been a welcome surprise this year, 2nd/3rd (depending how you define it) on the team in scoring

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’m not going to lie, It’s upsetting. I think you can understand the rest of NHL fans desire to finally see Detroit falter. As much as he’s impossibly good, I’m still clinging to the unconquerable time finally doing its damn job with him.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

out of curiosity

(and a bit off topic) but is the hatred most Sharks fans have for the Wings based on the players or the fans? everyone can chime in, wasn’t just directing it at you.

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate douchey fans (of any team), my hatred of the Red Wings is more like that of an Arch-enemy. The team that has to exist as a counter. The dark side to our Force, if you will.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

50/50

For me anyway

The tin foil hats and the blatant goalie interference that never get called go most of the way towards my hatred.

Our record at the Joe is pretty shameful too.

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

You had to bring up the gorram Joe didn't you?

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Hard to hate the team outright

More a hatred of the success and the consistent level of play. As much as you guys probably haven’t forgotten last year or ‘94, we haven’t forgotten ’95 or 2007.

The fanbase is probably what gets most Sharks fans. It probably wasn’t as bad until last year when it seemed the “tin foil hat mentality” seemed to be most prevalent.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

A combination of the two. A little jealousy of the teams success, hatred for previous defeats. An enormous hatred of Wings fans continually bringing that up, the sense of entitlement we all seem to see from the group. Seriously, I read an article joking about planing a fucking parade in November and wasn’t at all surprised. I’d be shocked to see that on nearly any other blog (except Chicago). Not at all with Wings fans.

If we were 3 points up in the West and Plank posted an article about how nobody stands a chance against us we’d probably lynch him for the bad karma.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

More bad experiences with fans. The team frustrates me with the fact they’re constantly a thorn in our side, but I don’t hate them the way I hate the Ducks (suck) or (fuck the) Stars.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Fans.

I actually admire what the Wings as a team have been able to build and consistenty keep. It’s what every franchise should strive for…something I wish the Sharks could become. But we’ve had our successes against the Wings too, so they’re only mildly irritating on the ice.

But the fans really get my goat (is that still a phrase?). There are good ones, of course. But as a whole, I’ve had way worse experiences with Wings fans than with all other fanbases combined.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks, all.

I was just curious about that. I definitely understand everyone’s point of view on it, just wanted to see if it was like a lot of Chicago and St. Louis fans do and actually hate our players. I don’t think we really have all that many players that are hate-able for anything they do on the ice except for Bertuzzi or Holmstrom

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

and Kronwall.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I can hate Bertuzzi

I actually don’t hate Holmstrom. Yes, he interferes, but he also doesn’t. His job is to toe the line, and I respect what he does with it. You can’t do his job if you don’t “complain” a little bit. But he’s also damn good at what he does. It takes a lot of guts to park yourself in traffic areas and take the abuse. That rings stronger to me than any supposed “whining” he’s guilty of.

That being said, I’ll never cease to give him shit when he plays us.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

haha fair enough

Yeah how Holmstrom has made it this long in the NHL with the abuse he takes is kind of surprising.

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I can’t speak for everyone, but I am jealous of the Wings’ sustained success and Cups, as well as the overwhelming respect that everyone in the league has for the organization (hearing how much your team/players/zamboni chokes year after year gets a bit tiring). I hate how the Sharks always lose at the Joe.

But really, it’s the small but vocal portion of the fanbase that really gets on my nerves. The Tin Foil Hat Society (especially when compared to the Wings’ recent dominance at home), the superiority complex, the whining about every single damn thing (“You’re from Western Canada, you shouldn’t pull that kind of crap”)… That transforms my jealousy and normal playoff/conference rival hatred into ZOMG I HATE THIS TEAM SO MUCH MAY A METEOR SHOWER RAIN DOWN UPON THE JOE hatred.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha Zamboni chokes is that a Niemi reference?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I love love love this picture :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Fans

I like the team, I really like their players, I respect the way they play, I respect how good they are/can be and I’m a little green with envy of their past successes. But always, as a hockey fan, I have respect for the team.

Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for the fans. So far, today, I haven’t seen proof of anyone trying to change that.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel the hate stems from respect of the Wings' success.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew Doughty looks like he might be on track to become another Lidstrom, but it’ll be some years. And of course he has to be on the Kings.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

And

Kieth before him…

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

doughttttttttty

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS

is the key to victory for tonight!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Hoping you don't mean Rob Blake.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope, he has to mean Cooch with a giant smile on his face :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The key to life in general

Is to put a smile on the Cooch

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Patrick Marleau despite having two kids, has never put a smile on the cooch.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Braun

proceeded to tell them the truth!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahahaha, I actually laughed out loud getting scathing looks in the library…awesome. lol

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

somehow i missed this comment

epic and rec’ed hahaha

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

With Demers, Huskins, and Wallin out, you never know.

Wondering how we’ll break up Moore, Joslin, and Braun on the d-pairs.

(All that info comes from Brodie, by the way.)

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear lord, that D line scares me more than ever before…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

TEEEEEEETH

BECAUSE WHEN COOCH SMILES THE TEETH SHINEEEEEE

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like a horror movie.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

FOR THE WINGS

CHOMPCHOMPCHOMP

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT SERIOUSLY

I’m feeling Grill goals tonight, I think he has the smarts to find the shooting lanes and crash the net :D

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

too late


my apologies in advance.

"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
Nate woulda had that.

by MonochromeGarden on Nov 30, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I know they advertise it as a horror flick.

But I’ve always thought of it as a dark comedy.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I just like the coincidence of Logan’s nickname being “Cooch”

"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
Nate woulda had that.

by MonochromeGarden on Nov 30, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh boy...

The injuries to our already shaky defense has me a little worried tonight. I’ll be at HP and I have been PUMPED for this game since the beginning of the season. The Red Wings are the most hated team for me so taking it to them and winning in ANY way tonight is fine by me.

I’m curious how Niitty or Niemi will react to Holmstrom screening all game. Such a pest but he’s effective.

Heater is on a streak right now (which I also hope goes through Ottawa too- love to rub their noses in it haha) so if he can lead the way, I think we got this one.

GO SHARKS!!!!!

by winthecupsj on Nov 30, 2010 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

Yes. Very worried. This one is really going to test McLellan’s line-matching skills.

In a way, though, I like that the forwards and other defensemen, like Vlasic, are going to be forced to step up their games and play very complete games…or else suffer through a very miserable night. Hopefully they don’t have to face such pressure for too long, though.

And the best news from yesterday? It seems very clear that Demers’ injury isn’t that serious and should be back soon.

by Timorous Me on Nov 30, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, thank god Demers’ isn’t seriously injured. It had me worried…

I feel like half our problem with the wings is we let them camp out in front of our goalie and no one does a damn thing to remove him. Maybe someone will figure out how to be Blake this game.

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks!

I think Braun will net his first NHL goal tonight. The kid has looked good. I’m really excited for this game….the day can’t go fast enough.

Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.

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by sharks in oc on Nov 30, 2010 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

i'd be down for that

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If this story keeps popping off and on the front page, let us know. Something weird is going on with FTF right now.

I blame Datsyuk’s dangles. They’ve depleted all of Earth’s energy resources.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

I think all the tin foil hats coming into town are interfering with the series of tubes that is the interwebs....

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 9:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It's been doing that for a couple of days now...

But, the stories are there, but pop-off after logging in. A simple “Refresh/Reload” brings everything back, though.

"Take a deep breath sometimes, a break, and play some hockey."
"Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)

by Soloact on Nov 30, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It's an interesting game

While Detroit is “unstoppable” according to the Tin Foil Clan, our Detroit “counterparts” (too generous?) are probably a little unnerved that we’ve dived our way to a heartless 6 points behind them. Sure, they have a game on us, and they don’t actually seem to suck, but that’s not exactly too much for bragging rights.

It’s weird. I thought our defensive (and unfortunately, offensive) struggles would have really put us into a bind early this season. Well, it has. But we’re also not completely out of it. Consistency is the key to the rest of this season… we can’t keep playing one good game, and then a string of bad ones. It would be great if we could start tonight.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

They're just mad

That that only heart that Detroit has wears stripes during the games. It’s a shame it went against them finally last year.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought the article was quite hilarious. And poorly written (figures).

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

that whole ref on wings side garbage has really become an overexhausted excuse by many

good luck tonight…..

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

But comments about how our players are divers and have no heart are not overused and faulty? No.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

i never said that isn't either

that talk should be stopped to

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but since you guys are the “class of the league” lets see you guys be the big boys you want to be considered and not be little douches because you lost a close series.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I said congrats to you guys last year

you guys played the series of your lives and earned it…was the best moment in Sharks history

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont mean you specifically. And no that was NOT the high point of Sharks history. It was definitely a big one, but not the pinnacle (as we have beat you before in the playoffs).

Thinking you’re gods gift to hockey and thus us beating you guys as our high point is disrespectful and arrogant. If you dont want to give off that impression dont say things like “was the best moment in Sharks history” and stick with “Congrats.” If you dont want to do that, or feel I shouldn’t be telling you what to do, thats fine, but live with the fact that you’re going to get flamed by our posters here, regardless of your repuation or credentials on any other blog.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

ok...I didn't mean that in a bad way (the best moment in your history comment)

I really thought it might of been…if you don’t mind me asking what were better ones?

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Right… You didn’t mean that to be sarcastic, arrogant, and backhanded!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I am actually being serious

you must have something against me…because you are the only one getting on my case here

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, It differs by a player to player basis. However, beating Detroit as the 8th seed was pretty sweet, as was the WCF appearance against Kipper and the Flames. More importantly though, the true high point has yet to be achieved in SJ. But it will happen.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

that 2004 western conference finals was great…i was rooting for you guys that year….for obvious reasons stupid Flames…

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Flag him as the troll he is

So we can all move on an have logical discussions.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

that talk should be stopped too

Then why aren’t you saying as much over at winging it in Motown rather than here on our board?

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

because right now i am chatting with people here

if you look at my comments i have many in my own blog moron

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

im not like one of those idiots

that go on opposing blogs and leave stupid comments and never comment on their own blog…those people are true trolls

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Not trying to be offensive, but you don’t need to defend yourself. You seem like a level-headed guy. Kudos.

I think the general tone of that article got to some/most FTFers. Not exactly something we’re used to here @ FTF. Plus, we’ve been subject to some idiot fans showing up on our comments to fuel the fire. The last thing we want are fans from other teams coming here and seeming to comment from their high horses. Our summer was filled with a Sharks “fan” who’s arguments felt oddly similar to what some of you WIIMO guys posted today.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

we see idiots like that on our blog occasionally as well…most blogs always will have them

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Look

When I made my joke to start these comments I said “most.” You were fine here last year during our series, but the article this is in reference to is filled with the same bullshit you seem to be against. So, fine, all that stuff may not be true, but reading an article posted by one of the main writers on one of the bigger Wings blogs out there about planning a fucking ticker tape parade in November, which also mentions diving can only get us so far sorta undercuts your argument that “every team have their bad apples.” Most of ours aren’t the driving force of conversation.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Knock it off, skillet

TuLo’s one of the classy Wings fans. You’d be mad too if somebody started painting Sharks fans in a broad brush like you’re doing to Wings fans right now.

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by Nael M. on Nov 30, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

If somebody shit talks me, in response to my comments, I have every right to respond.

If he want to be civil and respectful fine… But so far he hasn’t.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

TuLo and Casey were being civil

until you posted that ticket-selling story and generalized Wings fans at the end of it. If you want civil talk, then be the bigger man and keep it civil, rather than fling mud because of your previous experiences with Wings fans.

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by Nael M. on Nov 30, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm… I didn’t start that type of commenting. Not sure what you’re issue is here.

My story was for people to read and laugh at the ridiculous nature of Wings fans behavior. It’s no different from the first five comments today…

If you don’t like it you don’t have to read it.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I rofl’d at the story. And I admire you for not selling your tickets to a Wings fan. There will be enough of them at the Tank tonight as it is…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Honesly I was thinking more of my STH’er neighbors. They’d be pissed.

I found it amusing that dude got so pissed!!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean

the RetardedBlindReffing has screwed the Sharks for a few games. So, we’re prepared for that.

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets eat some Red Wings tonight!!!!!!

Go Sharks!!!!!! You guys can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Catstoy on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

A minor correction

I know that some places have Braun’s totals at UMass listing that he scored 25 goals in his senior season there, but according to UMass’s own website, he had 8 goals and 23 assists as a senior: http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/braun_justin00.html

Still—doesn’t make me less pleased with what we’ve seen of him in his first two games with the big club.

by Timorous Me on Nov 30, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

Oy...why did I read that link?

Anywho, missing D-men along with the resurgence of the Dead Things is rather nerve-wracking. The matchup will probably be the only thing running through my brain until puckdrop deeming me useless at work. It will definitely be like sitting on pins and needles tonight.
As for cloning Boyler…can we also clone a few Dougies from the CHI matchup? We need that body beater back x1000. Ooh and an extra Clowe w/ Bob the Movember ’stache for me? Thanks.

GO SHARKS!!

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

lol ok

and you guys won a grand total of how many games after the best moment in your history?

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

dont be so bitter about an article

if you go look at the comments i gave you guys credit and listed you as the top western conference threat…good luck!

LETS GO RED WINGS!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL so you’re a red wing/rocky fan? How’s that add up?

by GrayDilla on Nov 30, 2010 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

read my profile it explains everything

you act like people HAVE to like there hometown teams well i am different i never liked ANY of my hometown teams and it stuck with me and i will never change my teams

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, it’s cool. In a few sports I cheer for the hometown team’s rivals. That goes over really well…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Dirty, dirty Laker fan.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers are in a slump right now. They stopped caring for a few games and accidentally lost. Oops…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

really wish my Thunder would get an effective low post player

so we can really contend with the Lakers for the west title

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I suspect the Thunder won’t be ready to truly contend with the Lakers in the West for another two years or so. Combination of building up around Durant/Westbrook, and the Lakers getting older. We’ll see, though. They are the closest thing to a threat, IMO.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

yep i agree

we are already becoming a very scary team but when it comes down to it in playoff time we need a big man badly…Ibaka is a nice player and a dominant defender already but he is undersized…hopefully our teams play for the Western title this year

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I have a feeling that will be up to OKC. The Lakers shouldn’t have much trouble getting there…barring injury to Kobe/Pau, of course.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

yep Lakers will be there no doubt

we have to find a way to get through the other threats Spurs Mavs (hopefully both of them and all there older players are hobbled by then) and the Jazz will be tough

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

HA! Jazz…nah, the Lakers will take care of that one. We always seem to get matched up with them…and it never seems to end well for the Jazz.

In an interesting fun ZeroIndulgence fact, though…I work for the company that has the naming rights to the Jazz’s arena. So when the Lakers played the Jazz, lets just say I kept my pro-Laker leaning to myself in corporate e-mails (or not!). rofl…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

lol nice

yeah you guys always manhandle them…i figure we may play them in a 4-5 match up if we are seeded that low…hopefully not

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Jazz v OKC in a 4-5 would be a snoozer. I’d take OKC in the betting line and not think twice…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

i would hope so

but rather be a 2 or 3 seed and avoid the Lakers as many rounds as possible

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, probably a good plan…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they lost in solidarity with the Kings?

I doubt the Warriors can catch the Lakers anyway. I’m just glad they got Lee back. It’s pretty clear that regardless of his production, he’s one of the most vital parts of the team. At least with him, they have a shot of making the playoffs.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope the Warriors make the playoffs. Be nice for the Lakers to be able to take the first series off and still win in 4 games :-P

In all seriousness, though, I actually cheer for the Warriors when it doesn’t conflict with the Lakers…I’m just not particularly invested in it.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mavericks thought that a few years back, too. ;p

I actually think that if the Warriors make the playoffs, they’ll either do it on the last day or be the 6th or 7th seed; they don’t quite seem ready to hold someone off of the last spot. That means it’ll be a push to face the Lakers or a chance to maybe upset someone else. Either way, I’ll be happy with it. The team finally looks like it might consistently moving in the right direction. I’ll think about Warriors championships once they can make the playoffs more than one year at a time.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m hoping the Lakers do play the Dubs in the playoffs. I’d love to get to a Lakers playoff game…and there’s no chance of affording that at Staples.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s for sure.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a Lakers fan as well, but I'd love to see the Warriors make it.

And to a lesser extent, the Kings as well. It’d be great to have an all California series, or just have all three of the teams in.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And to a lesser extent, the Kings as well. It’d be great to have an all California series, or just have all three of the teams in.

Wait, did the Clippers get claimed by Nevada when I wasn’t looking?

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by Nael M. on Nov 30, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow that's a fail.

I guess it shows how forgettable the Clippers can be haha. I’ll take it back: It’d be great if all four of the California teams made it to the playoffs and half of the Western Conference representatives were from Cali. Never gonna happen tho most likely lol

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The Clippers would have to be good for that to happen.

That’s less likely than the Warriors winning a championship this year.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate the Kings. Can’t stand them. So, yeah, I do revel in their suffering. Only team I hate more is the Celtics (obviously).

And yeah, the Clippers are a non-entity…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

my situation is weird because

in the Rockies blog if it gets off topic and we talk about football or hockey I am rivals with both the hometown teams there…it has gotten chippy before lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

As a Dodgers fan, it was all sunshine and roses here when the Giants were making their wretched World Series run… :-/

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

ugh yeah that was very depressing

everything fell into place…good for them i guess…lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanted to shoot myself in the face the entire month of October.

Actually, I’m still considering it…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed 100%

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

you guys made nice moves so far

esp pitching wise bringing back Lilly and Kuroda and signing Garland…i wanted the Rockies to sign Garland big time…but I am glad we at least brought back De La Rosa

LETS GO RED WINGS!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Garland should be a quality innings eater. I think the Uribe signing was shitty because of the length and the money (double whammy)…but at least he’s an upgrade over Theriot at 2nd, and can slide over to short when Furcal is hurt and 3rd when Blake gets old(er). Still need a corner outfielder, though.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah def

we need corner OF to…hopefully trade for Willingham

LETS GO RED WINGS!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers signing Uribe kind of screwed the Giants, because their infield relied on his flexibility playing all the positions. But now you guys have that. Plus, he’s good for his signature Jazz Hands – clutch homers sprinkled among his swing-and-whiffs and pop-ups.

He’s also good for breaking up at least one no hitter/perfect game per year. And by that I mean his own team’s.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha, yeah, well, if he wants to go all amazing and win the Dodgers a World Series, I won’t complain. He does seem to swing for the fences every single time…which is amusing. His best attribute is his flexibility in the infield defensively. Solid everywhere, although not spectacular. An upgrade at 2nd, to be sure. Still…the money…wow.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yep all of nothing type of player

of course he never really did crap for the Rockies when he was there lol

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If you notice, after every single homer/long fly, Uribe immediately drops the bat and pulls up his hands in a jazz hands-esque gesture. Hence, his nickname Jazz Hands.

And hey, at least he won’t be hitting any 9th inning homers against Broxton anymore. That should be worth something.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no, he’ll still hit one or two. Fucking Broxton. He really fell off a cliff there the second half of this year…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

he needs to stop eating

he was eating everything including baseballs last year

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I am glad that he managed not to implode before the All Star Game, though. Home field advantage, wooo!

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re welcome…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah, I thought I deleted that “Home field advantage, wooo!” part. My bad.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of mainly NorCal, but 2 SoCal teams.

I understand your sentiment.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

mainly NorCal teams*

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh!

Since when did we have a reputation for being divers?

Seto is still out, so all of our potential divers have been accounted for.

As for uncalled goalie interference penalties, I think we might have a problem clearing the crease tonight.

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I respect the Red Wings.

Just not the fans I’ve encountered.

In any event, tonight is going to be a tough one. We need to hope the defense can hold strong despite the damage showing all over the place. The forwards need to come with fire and passion. The Wings are probably going to be looking to put us in our place and we need to be looking to remind them we can finish them when it matters. No idea who’ll be in net yet, especially with the power out at the Tank and skates delayed, but I’m hoping for Nitty. We need the confidence he gives us.

GO SHARKS!

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by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

I think Nitty’s gonna have to be IN, and ON, to get this one.

With our D banged up we need a big game from him.

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Brodie says it's Nitty.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Just not the fans I’ve encountered.

I celebrate Festivus!!!

by bharatwaj5 on Nov 30, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

(damn the mouse)..Thanks for being specific.

 And good luck to both teams. May the best team win.

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by bharatwaj5 on Nov 30, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I felt it was important to make the distinction (especially the “I’ve encountered”). The team is consistently good and any other team in the league should strive for that level of repeated success. And I’d guess that a lot of the fans are just fine as people.

But I repeatedly run into Wings fans who spend more of their time trying to make me feel like shit than celebrating their own success. Or showing any respect for the teams they play. Maybe it’s a symptom of them being so far from the team. I don’t know, but it makes it hard to keep a level head about the team’s other fans.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Every hockey fan I’ve ever met says the same thing about the Red Wings; great organization… Horrible fans…

It’s not just you dude.

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Only one team’s fans have ever challenged me to a fight…in the Tank (yes, challenging me to a fight for being a Sharks fan in my home arena). I’d give you three guesses at which team that was, but you’ll only need one.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hurricanes?!

Crap did I get that wrong?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I was at game 6 against the Ducks

The fan I hated the most that night… wasn’t a fan of either the Sharks or Ducks.

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh! Oh!

I bet it was a Islanders fan!

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

A Islanders fan. They don’t use “an” in New York.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And apparently responding to a Wings fan call me a douche on FTF is inappropriate now….!?

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

To the visitors from winginitmotown

You seem surprised by our response to the “swagger” article. I’m surprised you’re surprised. There’s an awful lot of “swagger” in that article for the month of November. Is it tongue in cheek? Probably… but if it is, expect to take some flack for it. Your fanbase has a reputation, and this article does very little to dispute it. Just remember, shit talk begets shit.

That being said, yes, at the quarter-pole, your team is the class of the league, and if the playoffs started today, I think you’d steamroll your way to a Cup.

But they don’t. The season is long, and tonight, our team faces its biggest challenge of the season. At this moment, they are underdogs, going up against a superior team, and have some internal adversity to overcome. They have injuries, players playing more minutes than they should, and a lot of underachievers.

Tonight, we find out what this team is made of.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Haha, love it!

Its awesome how we get litmus test after litmus test though! If only the sharks would get their heads out of their own asses and stop losing to mediocre or bad teams :(. We’ve proven we can play with the big boys (Vancouver excluded)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a pretty crucial stretch in the season for us

And, to be fair, the constant inconsistency means new games become litmus tests. We thought we might have seen the “real” Sharks after LA, but then that road trip happened. We thought we might have seen the “real” Sharks after Chicago, but then Vancouver happened.

Honestly, as much as I want to be fired up about this team, they’re like the special needs kid that keeps needing to be retested…

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree 100%. Its just sad that these big games they clearly are getting up for and playing hard for doesnt correlate to a renewed work ethic to all games :(.

Oh short bus sharks, how touching it would be if you won the cup. Thats like letting the special kid run in for a touchdown as a planned play, lets talk to bettman about this… :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Its just sad that these big games they clearly are getting up for and playing hard for doesnt correlate to a renewed work ethic to all games :(.

I think this is at the crux of my season-long negativity. I just don’t know anymore sometimes with this team…

I was so fired up after LA, and it all came crashing down. I was cautiously optimistic after Chicago, and then Vancouver…

I genuinely was proud of the effort against Edmonton for all the in-game adversity they overcame.

But this game… for all the supposed litmus tests the team has had, this one is the real one, the one we could have circled at the start of the season because we knew the Wings would be good.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeap, with every renewed lapse in effort and consistency I start to head towards the Zero and Elvis camp “Camp Negativity” :). I would love love love this team to go a run just to alay that fear that this team CANT do it. Then one more run late in the playoffs :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I hear that camp has cookies in the dark.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

With the team's look during Movember

Maybe you don’t want to be here…

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

wait are you telling me you’re NOT into that? Hmm, ill have to rethink my outfit for the FtF night then….

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

As a wings fan..

I applaud this comment for its veracity!!!

I celebrate Festivus!!!

by bharatwaj5 on Nov 30, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Just remember, shit talk begets shit.

Thank you…

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

This time last year, if I remember correctly, the Red Wings were injury ravaged and out of the playoff picture while the Sharks were tearing it up. Now the exact opposite has happened – the Red Wings are the class of the West (and the league) while most of the Sharks’ defense was playing in the AHL last week.

Posturing is all fine and dandy, but expect to get some flack for it when you’re doing so in November. Especially if you come over to an opponent’s blog, never mind an opponent’s blog that you have a contentious playoff history with.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit is the first team this season I’m genuinely scared of playing, given the current state of the blueline and lack of offensive production from key players such as Seto. We’ve all seen what a healthy, motivated Sharks team can do to Detroit. That said, it’s a joy watching the Wings play hockey, and it’s a damn shame I have to dislike them so much. I think it’s safe to say the coaching staff and the fanbase are putting a lot of faith in our Worcester call-ups tonight, as a game against a surging Wings team is a hell of an introduction to the big leagues.

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by OtherKid on Nov 30, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

I think its an even game IFF we dont have stupid turnovers, stupid penalities and are actually skating hard and going to the body. If we dont do those things…well…lets just say I’ll be an unhappy camper.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

On a different topic

What’s the word on the power failure at HP Pavilion? I would imagine your local stations would be more in the loop than those in Detroit.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/11/power_failure_at_hp_pavilion_p.html

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

California is funny like that, we get all our electricty for the south and they get all their water from us northerners. Its just a LA and Anaheim thing to keep us from practicing. They hope that they can “freeze” us out :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Man

I was just reading about that and then hit the first line of this article. Hilarious.

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by xarexerax on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing earlier today— way too funny hahaha.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want local word

I think the places we’d point you to are the Sharks main page, which also links to the HP Pavillion main page, and our team’s main beat writer/blogger:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2010/11/30/breaking-news-power-outage-at-hp-pavilion-this-morning-means-its-not-business-as-usual/

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Random Side Note

My cousin, a Wings fan, will be attending this game. He relayed a story recently about another game he went to. They were right by the glass, and he was flinging the typical anti-Thornton rigors during the pregame warmup (“No-Show Joe”, “Play like it’s may”, etc). Joe gave ’em an eye and skated off.

Just before the armup ended, Joe skated by one last time, looked right at him, and pushed a puck over the glass for him. Class act.

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by xarexerax on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Joe gets a rec'd.

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

adorbz

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Does a bear shit in the woods?

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Do Red Wings fan troll?

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Does the little piggy go "wee wee wee" all the way home?

Couldn’t resist =)

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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate that commercial....

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I laughed at it the first time.

I want to shoot someone every time I see it now.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG! I love that commercial! Its amazing!!!

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

They get on my nerves

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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s my favorite commercial, simply because all my friends hate it.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Seto just tweeted that he's not playing tonight.

Not ultra surprised by that, but good to hear something from him after he dropped silent the night of the injury.

Hopefully whatever it is that’s wrong is getting better.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Quick

Somebody call a penalty on the Wings!

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Made me feel better too… I know we were worried about this earlier, and given how much he was liking tweeting, I was surprised not to hear from him for a while

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Sharks v. Wings...

Usually I get up for these games, but today, I must admit, I don’t feel the electricity…the spark, if you will, that these matchups usually bring.

First, with DISH Network in a pissing match with CSN CA, I won’t get to watch it. That hurts. I guess I could always go find a stream, but that shit sucks. Maybe I’ll go out to a bar and get smashed. That’s always an option…

Next, the Wings are pretty much awesome right now…and the Sharks have an AHL defense. To say I’m a little concerned with our ability to compete tonight would be an understatement.

Third, we just slaughtered them in the playoffs…and after being at game 5, I’m pretty sure a simple regular season matchup cannot live up to what I experienced last postseason. Yes, that win set me up for a huge fall the next series, but at the time, it was bliss.

Needless to say, we’re going to need one of those 6-5, back and forth kinds of games with no defense showing up to compete tonight, I fear. Not sure if we’re capable of 6, but we should be. The offense isn’t hurt.

Then again, the Sharks have shown that they will show up for home games against premier opponents (you know, looking back, LA and Chicago both suck right now too…although I’m still convinced that we caused LA to suck by crushing their souls with that epic victory). So we’ll see.

Finally, on that article on WIIM…well, I’m pretty sure that has to be tongue in cheek. Although, I’m not surprised if it is not. There is but one fanbase that, on the whole, has shown us that they are complete assclowns quite consistently. Yes, there are some good fans, but by and large, the fanbase as a whole can be lumped into the category of “arrogant jackassery.” So, yeah, hearing them cry after they lose is always music to my ears. Be nice if the Sharks can make that happen tonight.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

but today, I must admit, I don’t feel the electricity…the spark, if you will, that these matchups usually bring.

You’re not secretly a HP Pavilion power generator, by any chance, are you?

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by Nael M. on Nov 30, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah

He’s just up on current events

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a shame really

Because his participation usually provides a welcome jolt.

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's true.

The loss of his feedback will be shocking at gametime.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

It's sometimes met with some resistance though

We don’t always have the capacitance to deal with it

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ohmygosh!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

sometimes our capacitance can be in flux.

And we may need more gigawatts to fix that.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

How revolting

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by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This took off in such a wonderful direction. This is why I love FTF, lol…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s such a live wire, I don’t know what we’ll do…

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by BritShark on Nov 30, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

And here I thought that was subtle enough to pass undetected. Well done :)

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

In other news...

Discovery has a Woolly Mammoth tusk up for bid on Auction Kings tonight. Anyone think a certain “Joe T.” might win it?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Logan might want to bid on it

He has to keep his reputation for most epic teeth intact

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS

But seriously, my Woolly Mammoth necklace broke, I sent it to get fixed and it hasn’t come back yet. Maybe that’s what’s wrong.

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by ninakix on Nov 30, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully not. I want him to be on the ice tonight, not at an auction.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s pre-taped. He should be able to do both.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

alright Sharks fans was nice chatting with you

good luck tonight…hopefully the game gets played?!…laterr

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

So I hit some nerves, huh?

Am I wrong though? I don’t see a San Jose team that’s getting closer to a Stanley Cup, I see one getting farther away from it. Talk about last year and injuries and whatnot all you want, but even when the Wings were healthy, they weren’t this good.

Yeah, the Sharks could take Detroit in a seven game series… maybe as many as three times out of ten, but it’s going to take getting good luck on their part as opposed to avoiding bad luck on the Wings’ part.

Skilletboy – “class, class, class, class, class” such a ridiculous argument to make when talking about fanatics. Where’s the handbook that tells me I need to hold your top hat and help you polish your monocle? Class is for people who don’t know how to have fun. Class is what people clamor for when they don’t have anything interesting to say online but have the overwhelming desire to say something.

For the last time people, it’s Nicklas Lidstrom. Not Niklas, not Lindstrom. The least you classy fellas can do is show the proper respect to the greatest defenseman of your generation by spelling his name right.

Good luck to your boys. I wouldn’t mind a playoff rematch.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

You know at this time I DO want a rematch in the playoffs, and I want the Sharks to beat the Red Wings and I want to feast on your tears because then who really is the choker? You’re setting yourself up for doom if the wings do not win the Cup, I know I for one will be sure to cite this article with every loss :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I can live with that

I can even live with being told I’m just making excuses when luck, injuries, and reffing is what does it. The Sharks don’t have the talent to hang with the Wings.

I would certainly hope you would want all of those things though. I want the same for my team. That’s what makes us fans.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree, and so do last years playoffs as to the Sharks “hanging with” the wings/

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Living in the past man...

I know you read what I wrote at WIIM. Rob Blake isn’t the only difference on the Sharks’ roster, he’s just the biggest.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m shocked you think making this argument on FTF is going to win people over to the superiority of your opinion…

Or else you’re just trying to goad people?

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You're the victim here.

I get that.

Where can we have a conversation about the differences between the Wings and Sharks?

Why do discussions have to be arguments?

Why do they have to have winners and losers?

All this and more on a very special Maury…

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been trying to refrain from joining in.

But you haven’t been here discussing. You showed up and poured gasoline on the fire that was almost out.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I wasn’t available earlier to defend my writing.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious question for you

Why do you believe that we (Wing fans) are coming over here to “win people over” to our way of thinking? Do you honestly believe that we’re here to convert you all to Wing fans? If everyone was a Wing fan, the world would be a very boring place; we need the hate.

As far as I can tell, your editor posted a link to an article that JJ wrote. You took exception to the tone and content of the article (as I would expect), and any Wing fan that comes over here is a “troll”? What if we just want to discuss the game tonight between the #1 current team in the West and a team that still has Stanley Cup aspirations? Are we not allowed to do that here? I thought that this was a forum for discussion, but it seems like all you want to do is shut down any talk from a Wing fan before it even begins.

I guess that’s what happens when all Shark fans have such an inferiority complex (see what I did there?).

by Amerinadian on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Skillet

just doesn’t like opposing fans in here for some reason…I could come in and say Go Sharks and he would probably call me a troll because I am a Wings fan

LETS GO RED WINGS!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Troll

what?

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

the difference is we are discussing our dislike over the tone and content of the article on our own blog. We didn’t go over there and say how much we hate it. Yet wings fans must come over to our blog and tell us how our dislike in the article is completely baseless and therefore we have an inferiority complex. That’s the problem here.

by FinAdic on Nov 30, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Acutally you stated it was that and the fact that diving only goes so far.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Could you help me out

and quote for me which part you read that said Rob Blake was the only difference?

Key in on the word only.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I didnt say you said that was all, but saying “rob blake taking what little heart SJ had with it” is pretty indicative of you being a trollop.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Nitty has played exceptionally well this year. If he can keep it up or be the same in April, then he’ll be on par with if not above Nabby last year. While losing Malhotra has hurt a little bit in face-offs, this team is still 2nd in the league in face-offs. Blake’s loss has affected this team the most this year, but if/when the Sharks are able to acquire a Top 4 guy, the defense is going to be much more solid. Hoping we can get a d-man in time and that Nitty can keep up his hot play may be unrealistic, but when that happens you’re looking at a team that is as good if not better than the one that took you guys out in 5.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Am I wrong though?

About what? About no team in the West on paper scaring you? Probably. Point being, it’s November. Any talk of going anywhere at this point in the season is useless. As much success as your franchise has had, they’ve had failures as well. So honestly, as a Wing fan, you should know better.

The least you classy fellas can do is show the proper respect to the greatest defenseman of your generation by spelling his name right.

This is mainly a for fun argument, but I think Scott Niedermayer (whose name is equally as confuddling at times) would take issue. The Norris keeps going to Nick, and it’s not like he doesn’t deserve them, but, I honestly wonder how much of that is just the NHL doing the same thing over and over. No question Lidstrom is a great defenseman, one of the all-time greats, first ballot hall of famer, living legend. I just can’t help but give Niedermayer his due.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Niedermayer was a fantastic defenseman

But trying to honestly argue that he’s better than Nick Lidstrom is a serious uphill battle.

Lidstrom really is as good as advertised. The whole thing about the NHL just doing the same thing over and over is something about which I heartily disagree. Chara won the Norris simply because Lidstrom didn’t live up to the standard that Lidstrom set for himself. Chara was not a better defenseman. Phaneuf won it because the Canadian media (who mostly makes up the people who vote for the award, not the NHL) love the story of a Canadian boy who plays like the Canadian boys they grew up watching. Lidstrom’s career is actually BETTER than his Norris count, not worse.

Point being, it’s November. Any talk of going anywhere at this point in the season is useless.

It’s a fan blog; since when does usefulness come into play?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

since when does usefulness come into play?

Nowhere. I’m just pointing out that if you think your post on your fan blog is somehow fact rather than opinion, there might be a problem. You have some evidence on your side that the Wings are favorites for the Cup, but the tone of your posting made it seem as though it was a done deal. Again, it’s November. Season is long. We’ve all seen things happen over the course of a season.

If you wanted to write about the virtues of this current Red Wings team, that’s one thing, and no one here would fault you for it. But you took the step further of actively slamming your opposition. As your opposition, we take exception.

Just so long as that’s clear, you’ll understand our “hostility.”

That post was all about fightin’ words. And I’ll give you some credit for coming here to defend them. But, as I said earlier, shit talking begets shit.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I got that

I even appreciate the shit-talking back. You guys have backbones and I like that. I’m just having fun talking about things like what exactly I should be writing or how classy and intelligent everybody is here compared to the dregs on the outside.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, anyone going to another blog and expecting the level of writing and discourse we usually have here at FTF will be sorely disappointed. Other blogs, IMO, can write what they want. If Detroit wants to spout off on their own blog that they are going to march to the Cup, fine. As long as they don’t bring it here, to our blog, where we don’t want to hear about that shit…

Unfortunately, this has not stayed on their blog, and that makes me sad. I miss the intellectual hockey conversations we had been having prior to this game and the invasion by Wings fans (who, for some reason, feel the need to drag this blog’s conversation down to their level…and we’re letting them).

Sigh, whatevs.

And Rob Blake was clearly the best defenseman of our generation…simply for donning the Teal. Q.E.D.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

My last comment here

You say that other blogs need to leave it there, but it was your editor that linked the article and then your commenters that started to discuss its lack of “class” and how it was too early to make such bold statements.

If you think that other fans aren’t going to check out FTF on gameday, then I don’t know what to tell you. Last I checked, this was a public forum and we were free to make comments. If we are not welcome, fine. But just because we have made our way over here (to a good blog, BTW), we are “trolls”?

I’m all for good discussion about the game, but it sure seems like if any Wing fan headed over here, they’d be shut down or called a “troll” simply for looking at the game with red-and-white glasses. I guess if this is the way that you guys operate around here, we’ll just have our people stay away. You guys are more than welcome to head on over to WiiM; you’ll find some really intelligent conversation there about hockey.

by Amerinadian on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair. I’d really like to see Plank defend his article. He is the one that started this discussion.

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by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

stop...

don’t drag our beloved into the mud. I understand where you’re coming from and god damnit if I could take all the time out to back your ass up I would but then I’d miss the mother effing game.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

My "defense"

I think JJ was trying to pull his best impression of the Chief from A2Y since he’s leaving to admirably serve our country this week. It seemed juvenile and low brow to me, but if JJ wants to write like that, he has every right to do so. If it doesn’t bother him that other people feel that way about that specific piece than that’s his prerogative, just like it’s my prerogative to disagree with his opinion. And your prerogative to disagree with it as well.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 30, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

See? I knew it

I knew writing the thing that somebody was going to use the “Chief Lite” thing. I don’t really have a defense for that because I look up to him both as a writer and as a human being. I don’t try to model myself after what he’s got going on (as evidenced by my body of work so far), but I’m not going to shy away from it if I end up sounding like him from time to time.

Nobody will ever be able to do what he does as well and I don’t really want to try. That piece was just how I’m feeling about the Wings.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll let that statement speak for me.

I think it was pretty dead-on.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm back

Fair enough. Like I said, I don’t expect Sharks fans (or any other fans, for that matter) to read that article and say “huh, he’s got a real point there”. The fact that all of you are defending your team speaks to your commitment as fans, and I respect the hell out of that.

Here’s my issue. You say that Shark fans discussed it, when all they did was call it “classless”. The first Wing fans to comment were Casey (the editor at WIIM) and Tulo, who is a good fan. They simply responded to some of the comments, with Casey noting that JJ is a good writer, regardless of what some people thought of the content. They were then engaged by others who called them “trolls”. I’d argue that the “deterioration” of the gameday thread can be blamed on both sides, not just on Wing fans.

I won’t sit here and say that bond’s comment was classy, and I called him out both here and on WIIM for it. He made it for his own reasons and apologized for it, and if your mods feel it is appropriate, they can take action against him by banning him.

But I argue that Tulo and Casey tried to move on, but people like skillet wouldn’t let it go. That’s not on the Wing fans that tried to have a conversation, that’s on the Shark fans who got upset at a Wing article on a Wing blog.

Here’s a thought for some people: if you had a real problem with JJ’s article, head on over to WIIM and let him know. He’s a big boy and he can take the criticism. If you think that he’s wrong, then post a response that explains why you feel that way, not just say “all Wing fans are douchebags and this article is proof”. Red Wing fans are often accused of being overly sensitive, but it sure seems like a post written in November got under your skins a lot more than it should have.

This is a good blog, and I enjoy the conversations. If you feel that Wing fans are somehow ruining what you’ve got going, then I feel sorry for you, because we have some really great discussions over at WIIM. Try not to let a few bad apples colour your opinion of all Wing fans; if I did that, I’d think that all Shark fans are like your boy skillet there and unable to engage in any civil conversation with opposing fans.

Good luck tonight! Here’s hoping it’s a good game.

by Amerinadian on Nov 30, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, here’s to a good game (if they get the power back on). Let’s all just put this silliness behind us and move on to what we’re all here for: the hockey.

Go Sharks!

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by BritShark on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

hockey?

shit…I thought it was the sauna competition.

by Casey Richey on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yes lets get some hockey going damn it!

i am sick of hearing the words troll and classy i want to hear the words goallllll and saveee

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Troalllllll, classaveeeeee….

Getting closer…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

almost...almostt...

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically

we called it “classy”

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by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I have only one thing to add

“Rec’d”

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And Rob Blake was clearly the best defenseman of our generation…simply for donning the Teal. Q.E.D.

As was Alexei Semenov, Brad Staubitz that one game, Jim Fahey, Rob Davison, Jesse Fibiger, John Jakopin…

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Brad Staubitz is the second best defenseman of all time…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

After Link Gaetz, right?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

THERE WILL BE NO DISPARAGING OF JIM FAHEY OR ROB DAVISON!

Seriously though, they were allright!

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Nicely done

Two lines and they’re tripping over themselves. FTF wasn’t this touchy during the playoffs last year. I was in here during most of the gamethreads in that series and it was pretty fun. The locals seem different though and while I would come back for the playoff series this year, it doesn’t appear likely. Wonder if SJ knows that points don’t carry over to next season even if you finish first.

by Elfuego51 on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Winning makes things more fun

Otherwise, trust me, there was plenty of acid in those threads too

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Wonder if SJ knows that points don’t carry over to next season even if you finish first.

Wonder if Detroit knows that the playoffs don’t start in December?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

We know they start in April

Going 20 years in a row kinda cements that knowledge in your head.

by Elfuego51 on Nov 30, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Judging by your comments so far, I’m not entirely sure that’s true.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

While a lot of our guys probably aren't or ever will be on the same level as Nicklas, I bet you're fanbase has had its fair share of spelling mistakes.

Just because someone spells his name wrong doesn’t mean they are pissing on his well-documented accolades.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Our Swede doesn't need the C

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Double the pleasure, double the pun.

Nicely done!

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

We have a blogger who’s consistently derided for calling him Lindstrom.

Just one of those things. the Niklas thing is really easy to get wrong; the C in his name is uncommon for Swedes. Hell, the NHL put Lindstrom on the back of a jersey at the awards ceremony the last time he won the Norris.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallin spells his name without the C

Further confusing the matter for us.

At least Lidstrom isn’t one of the imfamous typos on Lord Stanley’s Cup.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like I'm not the only one saying it.

Wow
That article really helps me remember what steaming piles of… classy… most of the Detroit fanbase can be… I really hope we beat them tonight.
Our defense is a wreck, it’s going to have to be one hell of a team effort to beat them and they’re going to be pissed from getting knocked out of the playoffs by us last year.
“Douglas Murray is a humongous human being.” – Drew Remenda
by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 7:06 AM PST reply actions
 
That article is nonsense. Totally classless.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
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by sharks in oc on Nov 30, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
 
You should read some of the comments.
Buttercrunch would actually fit in over there…
Randy: “So head butting… better than butt patting”
Drew: “Well keep an eye if there’s butt patting”
by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
 
Agreed.
Maybe some of those users should head over to a forum with writers and contributors who can provide a intelligent and fair discussion about hockey.
Stay classy Detroit.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Way to drag them down with you.

So you’re not the only person who cries about class after an article where it doesn’t exactly take a lot of reading between the lines to get the point unless you’re being intentionally obtuse.

Class is the only argument to make when you have nothing to say.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats not true. Only people who lack it use that argument. If you’re classy and correct guess what people will listen to you and respect you. If youre right but classless, you’re right but people hate you. If you’re classes and an ass, well thats where we have you :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

only classy people bitch about people lacking class?

Is that a serious argument?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you serious in trying to tell me that telling you youre an arrogant toerag is belittled because you dont consider manners and responsible behavior to be important

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Arrogant toerag is a classy way to describe somebody.

Or is it written in the unwritten rules of class that it’s ok to go ad hominem once the other guy starts it?

It’s so hard to follow these rules. Please list them out for me so I can have a guide for better living while being a fan of hockey without ruffling feathers.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

When you don’t get it, I have to put it in term you will understand. I can’t speak another language and expect you to understand, and apparently manners and proper etiquette are things you dont understand.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHA

Not only am I an arrogant toerag, but I’m also too stupid to understand manners, proper etiquette, and base attacks.

Thank you for showing me the way, oh bastion of class that you are. I appreciate that you’ve lowered yourself enough to cast your pearls of wisdom before swine like me.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Glad you finally accept that you’re swine, the first step is acceptance.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the second step

Finishing school?

C’mon, I want to be classy like you. How do I get to get away with calling people names while still being classy?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

stop.

I love you, you big ass, but stop.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m with you Msclowie, I really am…

But where’s the call for accountability for these guys? They are on our board!!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Its hard to argue with Stone-Cold silence

military tactics work…just sit back in silence and watch them go all in a frenzy with one another or leave.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you make a fair point

The way I see it:

This is our board, and we’re responsible for policing ourselves. If an opposing fan is trolling, my stance is to flag it and let the mods handle it. It’s why I’ll call out one of our posters before I call out an unwelcome visitor.

Just my $0.02.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you 100%.

But I’ve flagged like 10 posts today. And nothing else has happened besides your one warning, which I do appreciate by the way.

But the level that guy sunk to, he should have been booted. He continued to talk shot after the fact.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll have to grudgingly admit you’re right here. It is not technically our responsibility to stem the tide of other teams fans/trolls/whatever you want to call them and we should instead curb our own behavior but as Zero said, discourse is always welcome, its arrogance on another’s blog that is not. How do we handle that if mods are unable or unwilling to do anything about it? Do we just stop coming to FtF because other fans opinions are respected too much?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

How do we handle that if mods are unable or unwilling to do anything about it? Do we just stop coming to FtF because other fans opinions are respected too much?

That’s exactly where I’m at.

I thought FTF was for Sharks fans.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a lowest common denominator kind of guy. If somebody wants to be a troll, I’ll troll them back, if they want to have intelligent conversation I’ll attempt to do that well. When they’re geniuses of their generation I’ll call them the douchebag everybody else knows they are. (the Fish sticks episode of south park was on last night, gave me fond memories of Buttery)

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If agree ED...

But when I respond tit-for-tat I get yelled at by other Sharks fans…?

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

eh, we’ve had our differences too. I can get very snarky and I don’t think my sarcasm comes across well all the time in text.

I don’t particularly approve of calling everybody from another team a troll, but I know you think that way some days, I know I’m not going to change your mind so I just sorta leave it be. I mean, if somebody started telling me not to be snide I think I’d go into convulsions.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, don't be snide, but...

I heard there’s a chance we might call Cheechoo up. What do you think?

/beinganass

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Damnit

here comes the twitching again.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man, was watching versus the other night and they’re doing a profile on him and how hes working his way back up to the sharks, I almost had a heartattack then thought of ED and how he really would have had an aneurysm

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw that profile tonight.

I got the impression it was about how he is trying to get a shot at the NHL, not necessarily one with the Sharks.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG! CALL CHEECHOO UP NOWZZZ!! WE WON SO MANY CUPS WHEN HE WAS HEEREE BEFORE THAT WE CAN DOES SO AGAIN!! YEZZSZSZSSS!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

He has rocket richard he is amazing!

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I can deal with disagreement and all out war from other Sharks fans. But I come to FTF to discuss the Sharks. Not have to defend why the Sharks aren’t chokers or have no heart or are silly divers…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Like I said, I’m not going to dissuade you. I probably have the same mentality, I just go about fighting back in a slightly different way.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

See thats generally my rule of thumb as well, I actually was having a civil conversation with Tulo…But JJ, not so much, i just cant stand arrogance in that quantity (not to stir the pot again)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And so everyone knows the facts here…

The issues Wings fans are having with me isn’t my comments here. They’re all worked up about a comment they dredged up from last year even though I’ve only posted 4 comments ever there.

They’re all discussing it over at Motown.

That’s a lot of what’s happening here.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Something like:

It wouldn’t be a Sharks – Wings playoff series without Wings fans bitching about calls…

Hardly that bad and certainly more tame than some if the shit talking done here today.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

haha and they’re that up in arms about that? Clearly they have no heart….

/rimshot

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

And they clearly weren’t ready for some gritty commenting either…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

They choked when it mattered the most…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaaa!!

They’re obviously pissed about last year and looking to use my comments as am excuse to bomboard our board…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, I'll cut out the class talk

But first, you have to explain to me what exactly you mean by a “call for accountability.”

I have dissenting opinions. You’re welcome to say anything on Winging It In Motown that you’ve said here or anything that I’ve said here. I think you might be confusion accountibility with homogenization of opinions.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Shut up and watch the game

you’re digging yourself into a bigger hole. Your article will be really fun to read when you don’t win that Stanley Cup you already made room for on your trophy case. In the mean time enjoy this nice clip! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sxjgSiiPA

by pooponastick on Nov 30, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too, me too!

Whee!

Wait… Am I doing this right?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

haahaha

I was going to do that! (or at least post a meaningless video)

by pooponastick on Nov 30, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Well done – and a highly annoying commercial if I ever saw one.

by Amerinadian on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I got Rick Roll'd one time

where the window doesn’t close and every time you click on the red x to close it different lyrics to the song pop up.

by pooponastick on Nov 30, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Mine may or may not be............

I’m gonna avoid commenting on the situation until I have my boy Maverick Carter leak out a story dealing with my opinions.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah, me too!

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Hyperlink didn't go, here goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

My God, sorry guys and gals but I can’t be the only person getting a bit tired of this back-and-forth which doesn’t really seem to be going anywhere.

I’m all for debate and banter with opposing fans, but this is just a bit boring now. Can we all just move on and let the boys do the talking on the ice tonight?

As ever, go Sharks!

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

I'm sure you're not

We’re hoping we can steer this back towards actual discussion.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I sure hope so, no one’s coming out of this particularly well at present.

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Nov 30, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I've given up hope on that...

I’ll wait til the next gameday to hope for actual discussion…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed..

so long FTF, maybe another day when the crowd’s smoked a bowl or 5.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Come back at game time

We’ll be pooping rainbows.

Hey, it worked last season!

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be at the Tank

praying I don’t flip some bitches over the rail. FML. I’ve been looking forward to this game all mother effing year. Now I need a motivational speech to get it up. Great. I’m a girl.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jFe1v4qb4

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Awww...Nabster...

Ok that got me a little fuzzy. Thx :)

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, you haven’t smoked a bowl or 5 today? That’s unfortunate…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

McCarthy will protect him!

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

mahahahhaha shhhh!

Maybe he WONT?? But if he does I love that kid more :P

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO iphone gametime thread, you can be the lights that are actually on at the shark tank

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Love to see Plank or other mods actually curb to trolling around here.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

  • curb the trolling

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, its a fine line. You don’t want to scare off fans of other teams who actually want to have civil conversation (and maybe even some light hearted ribbing of one another). I can understand that they would want to promote open conversation between fans of different teams and whatnot.

Dunno where you draw the line, though…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Making comments about my mother – just a little over the line….

Coming here to discuss hockey is fine… Trying to goad people is another matter.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

That one guy (bond00002395893) or whatever his computer generated name is was ridiculous. Tulo and Casey were fine (and I remember Tulo hanging around here during the playoffs…he took his beating like a man, it seemed). JJ has been as arrogant as his post on WIM…although I’m still convinced the whole thing is tongue in cheek, because no one is actually that arrogant in movember.

I dunno…I feel like Sharks fans can get defensive rather quickly at times too, since we’re so used to having to put up with shit from the entire league all the time. It goes both ways.

Also, fuck the Red Wings…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

taking a beating in here is nothing

compared to when i got into heated discussions with Avs fans last year…now that was crazy and fun :)

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Aw, Avs fans

I think they prepped us for the tin foil hat brigade last spring. We were almost numb from them before we ran into the Detroit version.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

In fairness

I gave everybody the chance to have that witty and intelligent conversation for which you longed when I asked if I was wrong in what I said about seeing that Detroit is a better team than San Jose and it got sidetracked to a conversation about class. I was engaged by one commenter here (ElvisVF101) on that point and I think that part of our conversation went exceedingly well.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I’m probably the perfect person for you to ask a question about Detroit vs. San Jose to (if you want someone from a different fan base to back up your opinion), since all season I’ve pretty much been of the opinion that the Sharks are not a Stanley Cup contender and will actually even struggle just to make the playoffs. And I believe it is because our defense sucks and is a bottom 5 unit as a whole. Needless to say, that’s not a popular opinion around here, but I’m able to express my opinion (I’d hope, anyways) without being a huge dick, so we can talk about it.

However, saying that we lack heart is something that Sharks fans will always take personally, because of all the shit we’ve taken from the national media hacks every single time we don’t win a stanley cup (which, it turns out, is pretty hard to do).

So if you wanted to have a discussion about whether the Wings are better than the Sharks, well, that’s fine. It just seems like people have been going about it in a rather antagonistic way. Whatever.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

I’m sorry if the heart comments get you guys so riled up, but I personally have a hard time arguing against that opinion. I mean, sure, it seems like a cop-out lazy piece of shit thing to write when you don’t know more, but really, the team in Teal should have a cup by now and they don’t. I know winning it is hard, but it’s something that teams find a way to do and they haven’t. When you have an absence of obvious answers, you’re forced to look at the negative space – what’s missing from the team? It’s hard not to say that they just don’t have the right collection of guys who hate losing enough to avoid doing it.

I think it was Behind the Net who did a post about the Sharks’ defense getting worse in a “Better Late Than Never” post (interestingly enough, I found that because an Avs fan at Mile High Hockey was so offended that Gabe Desjardins was so mean and negative in his statistical analysis of the Avs versus the Sharks, Wild, and Blue jackets that he “objectively scored” every sentence the guy wrote in four articles to PROVE that he was a big meanie.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s hard not to say that they just don’t have the right collection of guys who hate losing enough to avoid doing it.

Considering how much the team has changed year over year, it makes the “grit” argument hold less water in my eyes. That being said, yes, the Sharks lose too often when they should win. The offense goes dry in the post season for a variety of different issues that are somewhat complex, but if someone wanted to boil them down to one or two words, they could be “grit” and “heart.”

The fact that many people use those words in pejorative arguments against the Sharks blurs everything. It’s a complicated issue people want to make simple.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd call that human nature

We like to simplify complicated issues. Ask most people what the Civil War was about and you’re not likely to find a ton of strangers who are going to stop and take 30 minutes to discuss the ramifications of distribution of wealth, agrarian versus industrial changes to the mores of two regions which were growing culturally separate, the concept of an individual’s rights superseding states’ rights superseding federal rights, and the hypocrisy of calling oneself “enlightened” while denigrading an entire race (as well as tons of other smaller issues).

What you’re going to get is somebody saying “uhh… slavery”.

The two biggest problems I see with the Sharks is that their defensive core is gotten worse and that they seem to lack the intangibles that separate a winning squad from an also-ran. Yeah, there are tons of things to be discussed there and I’m sure that you all have done that ad nauseum around here. On a Wings blog, in an article about swagger, you’re going to get the simple answers.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

And on a Sharks blog, those simple answers are going to be bitched about and (in an ideal world) proven wrong and torn down (although I’m not sure we got that far today).

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call

I’ll stick around for the proven wrong and torn down part.

See? We’ve learned a little about you today; you’ve all learned a little about us, and the world is a better place for it, right?

Right?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as the streets are lit by the fires of burning wings fans at the end of the day I think I can rest easy…

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Fairly certain if you brought up slavery at FtF you would get buttercrunch to explain to you that its like getting a penalty in hockey….

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm amazed I had forgotten that.

Especially since it was a response to me.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It was a pretty eloquent steaming pile of horseshit of an argument lol

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m mildly annoyed I didn’t think of it too… I was just remembering crunchy.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Build Me Up Buttercup just started playing on TV. Fitting.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome! Just plain old awesome

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Persuade the powers of the mods to delete my post and magically make it yours…

/cue Auth0rs Maaaagic gif

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry for using an old, tired argument you probably hear a lot.

But it took even the great Stevie Y to win a Cup when Detroit had some good, Cup-worthy teams. One of those years was even caused by our Sharks. At any rate, I think the “heart” and “grit” arguments are old and overused (kind of like mine at the beginning!), and just don’t apply as this team has shown it has plenty of heart.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 30, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you're still a huge dick

You just are eloquent and well reasoned in your arguments to our sucktatude this year. My main disagreement is that you rate other teams too highly, when they suck just as much as we do right now (Chicago and now apparently LA… though I’m with you on us destroying their psyche).

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, good, I was afraid I had gone soft! lol…

It’s true, I may rate other teams too high…mostly because I see the Sharks’ deficiencies every game. Also, Chicago sucks, and LA was awesome until we destroyed them emotionally. I hope we do the same to the Wings tonight…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You know what they say, you’re cruelest to the ones where grass is greener… wait… you know what I mean.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Where the zebras graze more frequently?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

In Kenya?

I hear they’ve got lions and tigers!

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

NOT NORWAY!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You're definitely not the only one.

I left the post in a hopeful note and I come back to this invasion. I was really excited/nervous about the game and all this has done is killjoy. Plus I’m going to the Tank tonight and I have to get myself prepared for all the shit that may go down there too. Sucks…hockey isn’t supposed to be a major fucking downer.

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

300 comments before 1pm

As soon as I saw that I knew there had to be some Red Wings fans in the comments section!

Somehow slipped my mind that the Wings were on tap today. Should I cut my day “short” and head home from the office after 10 hours, or put in the 12 hour day and just get the radio broadcast here?

by ruben398 on Nov 30, 2010 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

YEP

and bring some pepperspray :)

by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 30, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!

FUK THE RED WINGS!
Maybe its just cause Im new here, but it boggles my mind why anyone would say their team would win a division or the cup this early in the season and not think its goating/shit talk. Perhaps next time you take a crap, wipe your face, pop a tic-tac and look at the calendar. Reaction over.
It would be awesome to see the Sharks pull off a win tonight with all the call-ups. SHARKS!!!

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

Did a Wings fan really just tell a Sharks fan that he was living in the past?! That is classic! The two die-hard Wings fans that I know couldn’t help but tell me over and over again last year as we dominated Detroit that none of it mattered because of all the Cups the Wings had won. Ha ha…. go Sharks! And Worcester Sharks, because we pretty much have half of that team playing tonight too!

by Ronnibily on Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

Something I was thinking about...

The Sharks and Red Wings have the two longest streaks of making the playoffs in the West (the team between them is the Devils, in the East). Seems unlikely that the Wings are going to miss the playoffs. Also seems unlikely the Devils will make them (though they’ve still got time if they pull a total 180). It’d be a shame if the Sharks lost their streak this year. It’s a huge deal to be able to say that the only team with a longer active streak of playoff appearances is one of the Original Six and probably the best overall team in the league in the last twenty years. It’s pretty rare company.

I’m hoping the boys in teal are aware of that on some level and come to play tonight and for the rest of the year.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

yeah you never with the Devils

although they seem lost and out of it the bottom of the East isn’t exactly the best of the best they could sneak in as an 8 seed…I hope they end at the bottom of the barrel though.

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Edmonton will give them a run for their money

Holy bajeebus they’re terrible again this year. They couldn’t beat us with 2 defensemen tied behind our back. And we’re bad to begin with!

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

On the second night of back to backs nonetheless

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

With one of the four remaining defensemen playing his second career NHL game.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Oliers got potential to be good....

…..in like 2015 or later

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that before all of their 1st overall draft picks file for arbitration and hit UFA the following year?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

…..in like 2015 years or later


FIFY

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

…..in like 2015 or later

FIFY

*there we go…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG GOD DAMN IT, I give up :(

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

i got what you meant its all good lol

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m throwing a little hissy fit over here…its not a pretty sight…:(

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Aren't Hall and Eberle free agents around then?

I don’t think they should get their hopes up, yet.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

well they seem to think

that’s when they will be good…i don’t see it

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s when the Sharks’ “heartless, gritless” players will be off the books too! Then we can sign them all to complement the Pavelski-Clowe-Couture core of players to make another Cup run and also break Edmonton’s hearts again. Woot!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I like this plan.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that is the recipe for success nowadays yeah?

Pittsburgh Penguins: Evgeni Malkin (2nd overall, 2004), Sidney Crosby (1st overall, 2005)
Chicago Blackhawks: Jonathan Toews (3rd overall, 2006), Patrick Kane (1st overall, 2007)

So five years is about right…

"You would definitely hate the Ducks more than you'd hate the Kings, right?"
"Yeah, definitely." - Joe Pavelski
"Burnside seems to hate these guys. Oh wait ... I seem to love these guys!" - Pierre LeBrun

by DownRUpLYB on Nov 30, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

The Hawks only won because of amazing players they compiled around Kane/Toews. So if Edmonton can pull that off, then perhaps. Kane/Toews are over rated IMO, definitely not worthy of back to back NHL game covers >_>

by coleman89 on Nov 30, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree in general

My comment is more tongue-in-cheek than anything, but I wouldn’t say that Kane and Toews are overrated. I think that the success of their team is definitely overcredited as relative to the contributions of the D-corps and role players (e.g. Buff, ugh), but not overrated. To put it in perspective, Kane and Toews had 29 and 28 points in 22 GP in the playoffs last year respectively.

As for the NHL10/11 thing, yeah, that was a little wack, but that kinda just boils down to circumstances (even if you just showcased Kane in 10, why wouldn’t EA not go with the Conn Smythe winning captain the year after?)

"You would definitely hate the Ducks more than you'd hate the Kings, right?"
"Yeah, definitely." - Joe Pavelski
"Burnside seems to hate these guys. Oh wait ... I seem to love these guys!" - Pierre LeBrun

by DownRUpLYB on Nov 30, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I cheer for the Caps in the East…and from that perspective, I’d love nothing more than for the Devils to sneak into the 8 seed. I don’t see them as being much of a challenge this season. Although, it’s still early….never know what will happen once Parise gets back.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

i love the Caps as well

I hope they play the Penguins and beat the living crap out of them…and actually yeah it would be cool to see the Devils get in at 8 and play the Caps and get owned

LETS GO RED WINGS!

2011 will be the year....better be....

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Dan Boyle joked that he "needed a morning off so I had my buddies come in early and take care of business. And everybody loves me now."

Gameday orgy for Dan Fucking Boyle?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie Power is apparently back on at HP Pavilion in SJ. Game on! Or so it would seem.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Yea, I got a text about 45m ago saying the game was still on, but didnt mention power, I assumed they were close.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait...

PG&E did something right? And nothing exploded?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

A tongue in cheek jab at Mike Illitch

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

Time machine fun!

Oh, oh the pointing and laughing by the friendly commenters at WiiM and A2Y if Plank had written a word-for-word article last year at this time, but about the Sharks, when the Wings were struggling with injuries and an unstable goaltending duo and we were buzzing through teams like a chainsaw.

Can you imagine it?

All the comments about how it’s a long season.

All the comments about how delusional we must be to declare ourselves the BESTEST TEAM EVAR after a good start to the season.

Plank didn’t write that article, and no sane hockey fan should. Much less come here and demand we disprove his (ridiculous) assertions. That’s some entitled shit right there.

by ievans on Nov 30, 2010 2:56 PM PST reply actions  

That’s some entitled shit right there.

See Red Wings fanbase.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s some entitled shit right there.

Now you’re starting to get what it means to be a Red Wings fan.

It’s great following a team that knows how to win.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Please, tell me more about your inherent superiority! So fascinating!

by ievans on Nov 30, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

it’s inherent. There’s nothing more to be said about it, really.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Just want to clear up a bit of confusion I'm having

The Sharks are heartless, gritless and don’t know how to win? I think you can accept that.

The same Sharks beat a completely healthy Red Wings team last year in the playoffs.

So the Wings, who are basically the same team this year as last year, lost to the Sharks last year (in only 5 games) who are basically the same team.

So the has the Wings window closed? Have they forgotten how to win? Maybe they lost their Heart and Grit? I just don’t understand how a team that “Knows how to win” lost to a team that doesn’t know how to win in a series… I mean, if we’re going to call 5 games a series.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Funny. There doesn’t seem to be a response…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say that neither the Sharks nor the Wings are basically the same team as last year. I’ll probably stay in denial for a long time after our best defenseman calls it quits too, since it will take a lot from the Wings, but Blake’s loss is huge.

Aside from that, “healthy” and “tired from a long stretch of catch-up hockey” are not interchangeable.

Wings added some key guys and dropped some key dead weight. They’re a better team than last year.

Also, the diving helped… a lot.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Drawing penalties

Because we were younger, fresher, healthier and better also helped.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Wings fans aren’t used to not being the favored golden child by the refs…

It’s actually a rather humerous turn of events. Makes you wonder what past playoff series would have been like had the reffing not been blatantly in the Wings’ favor…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, I think I get it finally. I know how to measure diving and grit.

The more you dive, the more you win. This is evidenced by the Wings (long the poster child for ref favortism) winning, followed by the Penguins (who have Crysby).

Last year we beat the Wings by diving.

Diving is heart and grit.

Got it, thanks for helping me straight.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Or the Sharks had simply not let up… see 2007

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You forgot faster…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

“tired from a long stretch of catch-up hockey” You mean that half season that most of the team played. Hell, the Sharks were “tired from actually playing most of a season of hockey” didn’t seem to matter.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Would you believe mental fatigue?

or is that a foreign concept to a team that folds under pressure?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

So, you’re saying they had no heart then?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Good teams find a way to win ED

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it’s cool. You finally won a 2nd round series. That must have felt like Christmas.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a lot more goodwill in my house around Christmas time

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If the fatigue of playing more hockey games than anybody else in the NHL since the lockout is a lack of heart, then so be it.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So, they’re old and tired then? Is the window closed?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, I thought it was the diving that caused the Wings to lose…and then it was mental fatigue that led to the penalties…and now its winning to much in the past? But we shouldn’t be living in the past…oh no.

No, I get it now…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It has to be one thing?

That makes me feel a lot better about boiling down the Sharks’ failures to a lack of heart.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it’s obviously a combination of things.

The Wings, are old, tired, heartless, gritless, dealing with a closing window, and failing to dive at their usual level of proficiency.

It’s a good combination of things.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The Wings, are old, tired, heartless, gritless, dealing with a closing window, and failing to dive at their usual level of proficiency.

And they’re still the best team in the league. The NHL must be in sad shape.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ve been called that for years and finished at the top of the standings 2 years running. We’ll see how well they’re aged bodies are doing after more than a month of hockey. They did get a little extra rest thanks to the Sharks this summer after all.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh shit

Did you just compare the Wings to the Sharks?

Detroit’s screwed come May…

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Mental Fatigue…?

Is that like becoming dumber from reading winging it in Motown?

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s my board… You don’t like it don’t read it.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that’s a lot better than “if I don’t like it, I’m going to whine to the mods to make the bad man quiet”

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

As I’ve been instructed to do BY THOSE SAME MODS…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well then, by all means, keep whining. You’re certainly making friends at it.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck off troll.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY

Both of you – calm down.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha!!

Now you get involved…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta say, the “tired from a long stretch of catch-up hockey” is kind of a cop-out excuse. Yeah they had to go on a tear at the end of the season to even make the playoffs, but so what? You know what other team had to go on a tear at the end of the season to make the playoffs? The San Francisco Giants. They weren’t in a playoff spot for most of the season, went on a tear in September to clinch a spot on the last day of the season, and won the freaking World Series. Yeah, baseball and hockey are different sports, but surely the mental fatigue is the same. And a team with little playoff experience was able to overcome it, yet somehow the Red Wings – the closest thing to a dynasty in the current NHL – were not.

Sharks were the better team last year. Maybe not by a lot, but they were.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Which again makes me wonder if Detroit has no heart. They got Jiri Hudler back, who last I checked, chose to play in the KHL for money instead of the NHL for a cup last year. He seems like the kind of guy that would replace the lost heart.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

Baseball and hockey are not comparable. I know the sabremetricians would love it if they were though.

The Sharks played a hell of a series, and congrats. Care to explain the WCF sweep?

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Luck.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

In all seriousness though, the Wings-Sharks series was a lot closer than that 4-1 series score indicated. Surprisingly, I feel like that 4-0 series was even closer. I’ll admit, we were completely out played in Game 2, but the other ones were frustratingly close.

Also, we have a tendency to not shoot off the ice.. hence Niemi became the second coming of Hiller (who was ACTUALLY good).

And the bounces did seem to go Chicago’s way. You need some luck to win Cups… and they got it.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You need some luck to win Cups…

This is (offhandedly) one of the points of the article that got you blokes so fired up in the first place.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

We lost to a better team?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I'm disarmed.

I only wish I could shrug off a playoff loss that easy. Must be the years of practice.

by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than whining that the refs screwed you and trying to find every excuse in the book…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Lidstrom will retire and you’ll get the hang of it.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The D

held the burners underneath Niemi that series. Kept him warm and toasty, and unfortunately, better than what we could throw at him.

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

better than what we could throw at him

Nothing high, that’s for sure.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

(see)

Heatley’s opening pitch.

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hawks > Sharks > Wings…it happens.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re called the Champions for a reason. Better team on an amazing run. No excuses.

Unlike y’all….

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blackhawks were better. They had incredible depth that was available because so many of their top players were on entry level contracts. They deserved to win the series. Maybe not in a sweep, but they were the better team.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Chicago was better, top to bottom

Except in Net, but whatever

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That inheritance tax must be a bitch…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting ready to head downtown.

This will be my first game at the tank in over a year. Anyone have any suggestions for a good bar to pregame at?

by Danbo19 on Nov 30, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

I like Amici’s they have tasty beer.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I usually head over to Firehouse…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I like to go to the hole in the wall, Patty’s. Too bad its gonna be tore down for the damn A’s, June 30th its gone

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I stopped by Patty’s, but I was hungrier for more than just a sausage so the guy told me to go down the street to the poor house.

by Danbo19 on Nov 30, 2010 5:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I dont go there to eat..Poor boys, nice!

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone been to the poor house?

I heard they have good cajun food.

by Danbo19 on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent!

It’s my favourite place to grab a po’ boy. Aside from on the streets of Detroit, but that’s something else entirely.

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

ohmygod

I just finished a bbq chicken po boy. It was one of the best sandwiches I have ever had.

by Danbo19 on Nov 30, 2010 5:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I know my spelling is off

But Brittanna Arms has a good selection! Enjoy! Too bad I’m in Pleasanton so won’t have enough time to make it for a pre-game brew. Looks like $7.25 Coors Light for me. Lovely…

by winthecupsj on Nov 30, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

Why are people wasting time talking to Wings fans on here?

They’re not even real people.
FUCK THE RED WINGS! GO SHARKS!!!

So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth.

by CloweMyWord! on Nov 30, 2010 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

We’re all trying to get up to buttercrunch level of intelligence!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

mental gymnastics!

Takes practice to think in that many circles.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Morlocks haven't evolved yet.

That leaves AI and that would mean Detroit is Skynet and I don’t want to consider that.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Then blame your editors

They pointed you guys over to an article WiM and got you riled up…..you know, another team’s blog…..where…..gasp…..they might say something bad about your team!

by Elfuego51 on Nov 30, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, is the year over?

Shit…I must have missed Christmas…and New Years…and Steak & BJ Day…and Easter…

Wow, time really does fly!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad I didnt miss steak and BJ day yet

Love me some steak, but it sucks paying for them in BJ’s

Wait? Do I have that wrong?

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Is your birthday March 14th?

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit. Steak and BJ day is real…?

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Zduh?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

God damn, do I really have to explain what Steak and BJ Day is? How have you not heard of this???

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just not old enough.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I considered responding

“You’re never too young for Steak and BJ Day!” and then thought better of it.

But apparently not enough better to not admit it.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I’m pretty sure the “BJ” part does require a certain age.

Unless I’m completely confused on what BJ you’re talking about….

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why I thought better of.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay.. see because then I just make the cutoff haha

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no, BJ is universally known as one thing (and locally known as a hockey team in Ohio…but we’re not talking about that).

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

“Blueberry jam”?

Glad to have cleared that up.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Tommy Wingels says

Gee, thanks Mr. Marleau!

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Well played.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Marleau

sticks with grape jam, just to be safe

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t realize Tommy had gotten to ‘J’ in the alphabet yet…

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He didnt thats why Marleau had to help him out.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard the power outage was because he left his teddy on one of the light fixtures and it caused them to overheat.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Tommy’s night light caused a power surge in the locker room

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Steak and BJ Day is the man’s answer to Valentine’s Day. It is held exactly one month after V-Day. But, as a man, we really don’t need flowers and baloons and cards and all that shit. Just cook us a steak, and give us a BJ, and we’re very content!

Hence, Steak and BJ Day!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Best. Holiday. Ever.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahha

not on my birthday, but it will be like a 2nd birthday!

by pooponastick on Nov 30, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes, 10th place. Only 6 points out of 1st.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re inconsistent. Our defense is bad. 1/2 of our goaltending tandem has been great, the other half is playing like he doesn’t have arms. Our offense has been streaky. Inconsistent is the best description of this team so far.

There’s really nothing to reveal. Believe us, we know… and it’s gotten to the point where we don’t even have to think about it.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

1/2 of our goaltending tandem has been great, the other half is playing like he doesn’t have arms.

You’re implying he has arms.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Damn, I was just typing that.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta give him credit, though: he got some prosthetics for the past few games.

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by mymclife on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

myth...

Niemi does not have arms. He has straw stuffed into his jersey, which is sewn to his pants. I think I read that from someone right here on FTF…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You did indeed sir.

And for further clarification Megaladon provided this apt visual aid to my observation.

So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth.

by CloweMyWord! on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that occasional glove save does come up.

If he doesn’t really have arms though, I don’t really want to know what he’s using to make that save.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The puck hits the glove, the momentum of which carries it up into the air, giving you the impression of a glove save.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec’d for truth!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!

But it’s fun to play the dumb kid!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of the guys who came here actually aren’t that bad. As long as those “rub it in your face” guys don’t show up, we should be fine.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow... 500+ comments with more than 3 hours to the puck drop

FTF = awesome

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Arrogance? Check.
Constantly changing the subject instead of responding to counterarguments? Check.
Inability to understand alternate viewpoints? Check.
Humorlessness? Check.

OMG. Buttercrunch has fractured and morphed into Wings fans!

by ievans on Nov 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

I like to think they formed a hivemind and spawned buttercrunch.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure Wings fans didn’t just give birth to buttercrunch?

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

And a board full of mods that do nothing!

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Much like sitting in a chair and spinning, I’m mildly entertained by this thread.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve gotten into the spirit of this thread. It’s helped the work day go by faster, that’s for sure!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I had intended to spend the day playing video games while waiting on laundry. Instead I’ve been here.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I planned on studying.

Whoops.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been on here instead of paying attention in class…not necessarily a bad decision.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

To summarize this thread

Red Wings fans might be arrogant
There’s a power outage at HP
Juan Uribe is a Dodger
Steak and BJ Day is real
Patrick Marleau is still awkward
Niemi has no arms
Joe Pavelski is clutch

We needed 300 comments for this?

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 4:18 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

You forgot I’m an ass, and skilet is angry. I think we can all agree those are true as well.

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Zero and I would also like to lobby for being asses.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The three wise-asses?

Is that too close to blasphemy?

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

You need an avatar so I can shop it on to a Nativity scene.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been thinking about finally getting an avatar, I’ll get on it as soon as I get home from class, they’re rambling about higher and lower levels of justice right now…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh oh you said “justice” while Wings fans are here… duck for cover!

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

done…next I’ll be adding a tagline/quote…gasp! I’m becoming one of you guys!

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

One of us. One of us. One of us.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely!

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you forgot...

ZI is a Lakers fan
Tommy Wingels is still in 6th grade
We’ve got injuries, but they’re maybe better than we thought

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Me being a Lakers fan is old news…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 30, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s still a fact we can agree on, no?

I thought about adding the adjective “dirty” but figured that’s more in contention.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You haven’t refreshed in a while have you?

We’re nearing 600 comments haha. Damn the GDT is going to be interesting.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

GO SHARKS!

holy shit you guys! over 500 comments … wow! and we had visitors … welcome Wings fans :)

Nice to see everyone chatting so friendly like … nothing like differences of opinions to open up the mind huh? :)

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by Angy on Nov 30, 2010 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

Careful

we haven’t put the torches away just yet.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d just like to point out that my dad sometimes calls flashlights “torches”. Makes your comment much more interesting ;)

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy British people...

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Indian ;)

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm Indian as well

So I relate

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What do they call torches?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Flamebars.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Lightsabers

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

.

Torch –
http://images.ifguk.co.uk/products/1219/1219-large1.jpg

Torch –
http://tnrdlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/torch.jpg

Yeah, centuries of living on an island will do that to you. Probably why we pronounce
Saw, Sore and Soar the same.

by Morti on Nov 30, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

"I dun scored a goal on myself!"

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Nov 30, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait...

Is that a Movember-stache or did he drink milk before the game?

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what he's trying to figure out.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Trolling/Banning/Etc.

I’m working like 50 hours a day this week, and have been putting in a lot of hours over the past couple weeks. Frankly, I don’t have time to read every single comment here although I wish I did.

For those asking for more banning on the site, flag people. It’s the easiest way for the mods and I to see things. I dropped the ball completely when it came to buttercrunch, and even though he didn’t receive a lot of flags, I tried to give him a chance and it didn’t work. Maybe that’s where some of you are coming from.

At any rate, here’s what my blog management dashboard is showing today:

Six troll flags, four people. That little magnifying glass allows me to see the comment, and gives me an opportunity to go and read the comment string. Two flags a pop is probably going to get someone a warning, and if that individual continues to get flagged, he gets banned.

I don’t really know what to do other than that. I wish I could get paid to do this full-time, but the fact of the matter is, I can’t. What I can tell you is that every chain of comments on here gets set off by people firing hard back at someone they disagree with, with gives that “troll” or “spammer” a floor for their opinion. I have yet to see a situation where a troll spews off ten comments in a row without a response.

If you want to disagree with them, fine. But understand that they’re probably going to disagree with you as well. It’s the internet. Shit fucking happens. Flag it and move on.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 30, 2010 4:52 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the feedback Plank.

I appreciate the transparency on the process and all.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you and TCY are doing a heckuva a job with all of your added responsibilities

I wonder if you might revisit the “community guidelines” thread to address the trolling issue and how readers should best get in touch with one of the mods if they feel discussions are devolving and trolling becomes more rampant.

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by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

In all seriousness I’d like to start a thread or fan post to discuss this issue of what to do when trolls or rude opposing fans show up.

If anything else to get everybody on the same page.

And I’d really like to discuss at another time what peoples thoughts are regarding what is and what isn’t trolling.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s a good idea. I think having the conversation in the middle of these situations where people are already on edge isn’t working.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Skillet and Elvis

Those are good ideas. I’ll have idunno set one up in the Fanposts for tomorrow when things have cooled down.

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by Mr. Plank on Nov 30, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome

Cause I need a better understanding on the difference between trolling and heated entertaining reading.. somethings said today should’ve been in a bar so you can take it outside, not hiding behind the keyboard, but I dont want to flag anyone without understanding fully what that entails..

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats it! Me you e-fight! :) just kidding :)

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Brilliant

E-fight, where pressing control-alt-del sends surges of electrical shocks to your opponents keyboard, whoever pisses themselves first looses! I like it, Im sure there would be a market.

by sharkblood99 on Nov 30, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

There was definitely some overreaction today.

On a side note, it’s rather disappointing that you and TCY don’t show up on GDT’s as often.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

BOO!

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by Matthew_Taylor on Nov 30, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d say this was like saying bloody mary into a mirror, but it’d probably just be taken as another ad for Absolut.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The Absolut stuff?

No clue. Unless it was really just that they were trying to associate bloody marys with football starting. Which seems dumb and unlikely to actually occur.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

See… you scared me off for a couple of hours.

But now that you’ve commented, and Plank said “shit fucking”, this thread is complete.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

To reiterate what Elvis said, you guys are doing a great job, and yes it does suck to not see you guys in Gameday threads anymore :(

As was mentioned before, (by elvis i think) we should be able to caution and temper down ourselves for the most part. I will admit to getting rather into it with several of the WIIM people and generally stopped once FtF readers asked me to. I’m not sure there really is anything to do about others coming to this site and being generally douche-y beyond what you said aka flagging them. That being said, we could always just choose to ignore them, as hard as that sounds. I know I’m usually one of hte first to respond but if we decide to be the bigger site (?) about this we can just disregard all comments that are like that. I dunno…

by animadiversion on Nov 30, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m fine with disregarding and flagging. I was doing that for the most part.

But if nothing happens as a result, then suddenly the trolls win and those of us that want to talk with other Sharks fans are run off.

I take issue when visiting teams fans take over and I have to choose between leaving FTF or spending my time arguing that Jumbo isn’t a choker, we don’t dive, etc etc.

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it should also be pointed out that disagreeing fans of other teams doesn’t not necessarily mean trolling … but that’s just my opinion clearly. :)

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by Angy on Nov 30, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks! Good luck idunno!

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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Nov 30, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

In all seriousness

I think Nitty is gonna have to come up big and early in this game. If he can we have a chance.

I’m looking at Jumbo to have a big game. He always seems to get fired up for the Wings.

Also I feel like Logan Couture could be a big factor in this game.

I winder if Howard has nightmares about giving up that softie to Cooch from last year. ;)

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

I feel like Patty’s going to come up big. He played with some great intensity versus the Hawks.. hopefully we’ll see something like that tonight.

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

3 rookies on defense against the Wings is mildly terrifying.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Mildly is only putting it… mildly

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This thread makes me think of one person....

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not enough verbiage. We got the circles down though.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Nov 30, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The Buttercrunch Diaries: Abridged (the abridged edition)

Randy: "So head butting... better than butt patting"
Drew: "Well keep an eye if there's butt patting"

by Bockerz on Nov 30, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else hear AC/DC upon reading that?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

for it’s hilarity :)

The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly -Jamie Baker

by ZombieSkittles on Nov 30, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit this blog went off the chain today. I wish i’d had time today to join in the festivities.

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by sharks in oc on Nov 30, 2010 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Shift-A

What’s with all the comments today?

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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Nov 30, 2010 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

BLOGWARZ!

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Nov 30, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly -Jamie Baker

by ZombieSkittles on Nov 30, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, that was an interesting read.

All of the comments, that is.

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"Hockey is a great way to take a pause from day-to-day hard work." -- Lt Gen. D.H. Huntoon Jr. (paraphrased)

by Soloact on Nov 30, 2010 7:24 PM PST reply actions  

We’re really gonna need a GDT for this game. This thread is strung out…

"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker

by skilletboy on Nov 30, 2010 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

It's up

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Nov 30, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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