Sharks Gameday: Do I Still Have Those Blueline Blues?
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There's no doubt in my mind the Sharks eventually need to upgrade their blueline if they wish to legitimately contend for a Stanley Cup this spring. I've made that case for what seems like eons now, and the first ten games of the season haven't changed much of that for me. It's a weak spot for the team, and one that could potentially be their downfall against the higher powered teams in the Western Conference like Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
When I look at the current defenseman on the roster I cringe a little bit. There has definitely been some bright spots, and I'll get to those in a moment, but when comparing the roster to other teams in the West the Sharks blueline doesn't quite measure up. Before the season began I would have told you that the defensive pairings looked like the offspring of Michael Berryman and Jocelyn Wildenstein. The kind of ugly you can't wipe from your poor cerebral cortex even if you had an economy sized bucket of Clorox handy.
Yet, with a morbid curiosity usually reserved for watching Lifetime specials in my lucky PJ's, I tuned in. And while we're only ten games deep here, the early returns are actually kind of compelling.
As Ivan mentioned yesterday, the Sharks are currently fourth in the NHL in terms of shots against per game (26.8). That is a great number no matter which way you cut it, and indicates to me that either a) they haven't played a large number of games against team who can pump shots on net (most of their opponents thus far have been mediocre in that regard) or b) the defense is better than I thought it was going to be headed into the year.
As with most things, the answer probably lies somewhere in the ooey gooey middle.
Immediately my question becomes who has begun to take on more workload in all situations on the ice. The loss of Rob Blake this offseason was a big one considering his high-grade advanced statistics from last season, and one that left the Sharks with some big shoes to fill. So who has picked up the slack?
Jason Demers was the only Sharks defenseman to see an increase in every single category. Niclas Wallin picked up an extra shift at evens and essentially stayed pat everywhere else, while Murray picked up just over a shift on the power play. Boyle has received more special teams time but has greatly reduced his minutes at even strength.
In terms of analysis, I think that Demers' increase in ice time is well-deserved. He has looked very composed on the breakout, picked his spots phenomenally when deciding to jump into the play, and has done a very good job of cleaning up his turnovers in the defensive zone. Twenty three games into the season last year I wrote a piece about his power play wizardry as a first year defenseman, something that has certainly held true throughout his time spent in San Jose, but I never expected the level of growth that he's shown this year in his own end.
Along with the annually underappreciated Kent Huskins, Demers has been the most consistent blueliner the team has dressed. That pairing has yet to give up a single goal against in a whopping 341 minutes of ice time this season (!!!), a statistic that just might be a San Jose Sharks record. Erik Johnson of the St. Louis Blues (16:46 ES) is the only other player with over 8 games played that has an unblemished even strength record (although he did give up a marker shorthanded) -- the fact that two Sharks have achieved this is quite the accomplishment, especially with all the issues the team has had at times playing defense.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Sherlock. Demers and Huskins, Orthrus of defensive destruction, co-winners of the 2011 Norris Trophy. And most definitely giving up a goal tonight because I mentioned it.
As for the other four defenseman, players who see tougher competition I should add, the results have been mixed. I like the fact that McLellan has leaned less on Dan Boyle at even strength this season, but I don't like the fact that he is seeing more time on the kill. I think a part of McLellan knows that Boyle's age could play tricks on him later in the year if he continues to get massive amounts of ice time again, but when the Sharks are hurting for points, you tend to forgot about ice time management. If San Jose gets going here I wouldn't be surprised to see Boyle's PK time drop and every other player on the blueline pick up a shift or two to offset that loss.
Douglas Murray has been frustrating at times and brilliant in others. It's pretty clear that speedier teams give him a lot of issues, and watching him make the mistake of stepping up in the neutral zone to make a big hit at inopportune times puts a drain on the soul. If he can strike a balance between Chipchura and Calgary it would go a long way towards helping the team win hockey games.

Mr. Brownridge, however, was not one to encourage a conservative lifestyle
And then you have Vlasic and Wallin.
I don't think there's been a single player this season who has fell short of my expectations more so than Marc-Edouard Vlasic. To give up on him right now would obviously be ludicrous considering he has been one of the best shutdown defenseman in the NHL during the last two years, but he needs improve immensely from where he currently stands this season. He's struggled with clearing the puck, he's struggled in the corners, he's struggled off the rush, he's struggled in transition. The thing is, I don't even care that he has yet to register a point this season. Although goals and assists would obviously be a welcome addition to his game, Vlasic's role has always been to take on the toughs and prevent the other team from getting shots away. During his career in San Jose, he's done just that. And done it remarkably well.
If the Sharks are going to succeed this year, Vlasic will have to be a big part of it. There's no room for him not to be.
As for Wallin, my eyeballs have been fairly mercurial from game to game on his play. His signing received a lot of criticism from myself this offseason, partly due to his $2.5MM contract, and partly due to the fact that the Sharks seemed to adamantly believe he was a top-four player at this stage of his career, a view I didn't agree with. He held value on the bottom pairing, but wouldn't end up being a guy the Sharks could count on to play in the top four.
Has he changed that opinion? Yes and no. Wallin has been much better than I thought he would be playing with Vlasic, and frankly, has outplayed his defensive partner the majority of nights. If you had asked me before the year whether Vlasic or Wallin would be covering the others mistakes, I would have picked Vlasic every single time-- Vlasic is my golden child, my diamond of dreams, and Wallin is my depth defenseman who was going to be playing a role that he hadn't played in years.
It's funny how things change.
This isn't to say Wallin is the top three guy I think the Sharks need-- he's slow, he's lumbering, he gets turned around on the rush and gets beat wide. However, this is to say that his current -4 +/- rating doesn't reflect what he has given San Jose this season. I've been pleasantly surprised with his play, and if Vlasic can come to terms with whatever issues he is having right now, that pairing is going to be much more competent defensively going forward.
Good enough to make some serious noise in the playoffs? No. But good enough to allow Doug Wilson some time to tend to the coals on the trade wire fire before making his move, instead of being forced into it by a Sharks team treading water in the standings.
All in all, tonight's going to be a great test for the Sharks. St. Louis is playing some great hockey right now, and knows how to put the puck on net (34.6 SF/G, 2nd) and limit opposing team's opportunities (25.8 SA/G, 1st). Coupled with an excellent netminder in Jaroslav Halak and you have a situation where the Sharks will have their hands full.
Bring the A game boys.
Prediction: Sharks win 3-2. Goals by McGinn, Boyle, and Setoguchi.
Go Sharks.
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I am w/ you!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kick some butt 2night!
Oh and cant wait to see you boys in Teal Saturday night!!!!! woot woot!
Having watched as many Hawks games as Sharks games
I would say they’re struggling just as much as we are. Their D is full of holes as well, except on the top pairing. They just got Campbell back from injury a couple games ago, and their depth is all but gone. With Turco in net, they’re giving up a lot of goals they’re not used to giving up. It’s been almost enjoyable watching him come out of the crease to play a puck and give it away up the boards for an immediate chance against. The Hawks lost to the Devils last night, which isn’t a good sign. The only reason they have so many points is because they’ve played 15(!) games already. In fact, all of those powerhouse teams have looked awful shaky at times (except maybe LA, but I haven’t watched them much).
Alls I’m saying is there’s a lot of season left for everyone to get their shit figured out (including DW). Gotta beat the Blues tonight, though.
Go Sharks.
LA has looked super awesome so far, IMO. They’ve been really solid in all facets of the game.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 4, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
GO SHARKS!
Maybe I’m looking thru rose-colored glasses (yes I am), but I’m convinced they will sort themselves out. I’m still going with the “it’s early in the season”. Come game 20 and I might be going into slow panic mode if nothing has changed.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
The thing that impresses me about the Blues is how they’ve got the entire team sold out on their system and style if play. They are gonna give us fits tonight cause they don’t take nights off.
I’m interested to see if the Sharks can keep up mentally. They certainly have the skills and talent but will the Sharks show up mentally and emotionally?
If they do, I say sharks win 3-2….
by skilletboy on Nov 4, 2010 7:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Didn't see this stat
The Blues are 5-0-0 at home right now. Wouldn’t it be nice if we put a nice little 1 somewhere in those last two columns?
I’m going to say 3-2 as well… in overtime or shoot out.
Interesting Stat
Dan Boyle gave up the least goals per 60 minutes while on the penalty kill of any Sharks Dman last year, even though he played against tougher competition than Vlasic/Blake. In effect, he was our best penalty killer. Rob Blake was actually our worst, other than Joslin (yet somehow Vlasic was our 2nd best).
Maybe the coaches are right to be throwing him out there on the PK?
That is an incredible run from Demers and Huskins. I think it helps that we roll 3 good forward lines out there who can control the puck in the offensive zone, but any way you slice it that is great play from our “bottom” pairing. Good find Plank.
I was stunned at the findings as well. Wrote an email to randy seeing if he and the crew could find out if that was a Sharks record, because I have to think it’s at least one of the top three performances by a pairing in terms of raw goals scored against to begin the year.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Oh, and as for Boyle, I think the majority of my concern with his PK time is the amount of ice time he sees every night. Cutting that down, and keeping him “rested” throughout the year, is something I would like to see McLellan do more going forward.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I would like to see Jason Demer’s ice time on the PP bumped up a bit, maybe taking 30 seconds each from Murray and BOyle. Boyle is often out there with the 2nd PP unit too. Then again, It’s hard to make the argument that TM should tinker with the best PP in the NHL. But if you don’t change the PP, and Boyle was your best PKer last year, that only leaves ES time to cut. What to do, what to do…
Who would have thought that our best three defensive defensemen this year would be Huskins, Wallin and Demers? That’s why they play the games.
I want a defenseman now!
Also, wouldn’t it have been awesome to trade for Halak this offseason? I sure think it would have. Although, Niitty has been pretty stellar, so no complaints there.
The Blues have been pretty awesome this year. And if this team’s offensive struggles carry over from last game, Halak will eat us for lunch. Let’s hope that is not the case.
I’d call this a barometer game for the team. The Blues are playing well, scoring in bunches, and have a stellar goaltender. Oh, and undefeated at home. A Sharks win would be a pretty good statement to the team at this point in the season.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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I don’t think “offensive struggles” is completely accurate though. I feel like the Wild just played out of their minds defensively.
Though I must agree, a win today would be fantastic. And if we can combine the effort vs the Wild with the effort vs Anaheim, we should be pretty solid.
Sharks goaltending: because one finn wasn't enough.
The few, the proud: Thrashers fans.
I’d call this a barometer game for the team. The Blues are playing well, scoring in bunches, and have a stellar goaltender. Oh, and undefeated at home. A Sharks win would be a pretty good statement to the team at this point in the season.
I feel the same way about tonight. A really good test for the Sharks at this point in the year.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Then again, it’s awfully early in the season to be dusting off the barometer and worrying too much about what it reads. I mean, the Giants lost something like eight in a row and got swept by the Dodgers early in their season…
by Rhapsody in Teal on Nov 4, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Very timely piece Plank
I don’t know if it’s just me, and maybe the numbers you present prove me wrong, but it’s seemed to me that Dan Boyle has not had a good season to date. On the PK, he is strong, but my issue has more been his pinches from the blue line. It seems to often in important situations, when Boyle pinches, the defending team manages to generate an odd man rush the other way.
And I couldn’t agree more on Vlasic. He has just looked bad at the start of this season. Puck Daddy had a link on Tyler Mayers’ sophomore slump, and how it was likely tied to the loss of Henrik Tallinder. I wonder if the loss of Blake is having a similar effect on Vlasic. I concur with your analysis of Wallin thus fur, so maybe that’s not the whole story, but I can’t help but think it’s part of it. Then again, Vlasic also had an outright horrid start to last season, and by the end, I think there’s no question he and Blake were our best pairing. So here’s to hoping history repeats itself.
Do you have the advanced metrics on Huskins and Demers’ offensive vs. defensive zone starts? I’ll admit to being pleasantly surprised that they have not had their 2010-2011 cherry popped, but I’ve been nervous every time they’ve been on the ice.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I’m actually waiting a couple games before really looking hard at guys advanced statistics— there’s a lot of volatility in the numbers right now due to goals here and there. It’s a reason why I tried to focus on qualitative observations versus quantitative ones.
Here’s a link to the Dzone starts though. Huskins and Demers have definitely been sheltered— the sad thing is, so has Vlasic. I really am concerned about him, and the point you make about Blake is a good one. We’ll have to wait and see how this turns out.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Defensively, I think Wallin has not been nearly as bad as we expected. Boyle has been extremely disappointing as our No.1 d-man on the team. Vlasic just never seems to be on the ice, and any sort of perceived “offensive struggle” is more because he’s not being put in that position.
The defense is a concern, but I feel like it’s not nearly as bad as I thought. Look at Chicago: great blueline, but from what I’ve seen Turco is sort of letting them down. And they’re not all that successful really.
The best teams in the league right now? Tampa Bay and Los Angeles. I feel like our offensive core is good… they just have to score (a lot) every game, and our defense just needs to play like they have been consistently. And Boyle and Vlasic need to stop sucking.
Sharks goaltending: because one finn wasn't enough.
The few, the proud: Thrashers fans.
I don’t know about Chicago. Sure, Kieth is amazing, but like Boyle, is off to a tough start. Campbell has been out and so their bottom 3 are basically on par with our bottom pairing guys. Lets face it, Boynton isn’t anything amazing.
I also think Seabrook is overrated thanks to playing with Kieth, but I’m just cranky when it comes to Chicago.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yeah I don’t see Chicago as a top contender for the Cup this season. They’ve lost pretty much all of their offensive depth, and Turco seems like a liability. I mean, they LOST to the Devils!
Sharks goaltending: because one finn wasn't enough.
The few, the proud: Thrashers fans.
Bastards should have just let us have Hjalmarsson...
They could have Niemi, we’d have Nitty and Greiss and Hjalmarsson…
I think I hate them even more right now.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
turco
is actually one of our strengths right now. We’d have 4 fewer points if not for his play this season. Glad you guys took Niemi from us. To think we might have been paying the guy $2.4mildo a season gives me the shakers.
Not sure if the Hawks are Cup material, my guess is they are. But I do think they can more or less be neutralized by the stronger defensive teams in the West with the depleted depth.
Agreed on Seabrook
Definitely not Oylimpic Quality for Canada. And I think their bottom three are equivalent to Anahiem, our bottom three are actually pretty decent (at least for now). I said it in the offseason, they are one injury to their core away from being a .500 team, and without Campbell they are exactly that. Sharks vs. Hawks, first round of the playoffs, 2 v. 7 seed.
I could see Sharks v. Hawks in the first round as well…but as a 4 v 5 matchup.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 4, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether you believe that Seabrook is a good defenseman
It’s hard to argue that he’s not the best partner for Keith. Chemistry counts for a lot. Plus their styles are complimentary. Granted that anyone could look good next to Keith, but that’s not to say Seabrook is bad. One could make the argument that Keith is able to move the puck so well because Seabrook is such a responsible partner.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Just think how sweet it would be to have EITHER of them right now…oh man.
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, I never expected Wallin to be that bad (nor did I expect him to be great). I think it’s the amount we paid him that had people, including me, dissatisfied.
by Rhapsody in Teal on Nov 4, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Go Sharks!
It’s finally time for me to fully pay attention to the Sharks.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
If Niemi starts...
would that change your prediction?
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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Replace "if" with "when"
Since he’s officially starting now. Niemi vs. Halak. Awesome.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Niemi finally got his ring
Maybe he’ll remember how to play like a winner? It could possibly happen…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
optimism?? from you??
Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas any more… :)
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"Welcome to Fear the Fin...where we eat our own." -Noctro
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm bitter...
But does anyone else think it’s a little fucked up they inscribed the names of the teams they beat on the inside of the ring?
I do.
by skilletboy on Nov 4, 2010 12:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Niemi starts today guarantees Niitty starts against Tampa. Which makes sense.
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Boom
Roasted
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I know its not the New Year yet
but my resolution is to be nicer to Niemi….so GO SHARKS!!! GO NEMO! I believe!!! Halak biting it would be nice too but that would be just frosting. In all seriousness, I just want to see a nice effort and solid game from ALL the guys regardless of the result. I want to regain a little faith.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"Welcome to Fear the Fin...where we eat our own." -Noctro
There is nothing wrong
with basing your personal calendar around the hockey season.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
LOL I'm a few weeks late on my resolution then...
OPTIMISM! Please don’t destroy me tonight hehe.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"Welcome to Fear the Fin...where we eat our own." -Noctro
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 4, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You go girl!
Rah Rah….. and stuff….. :-P
Go Sharks and damn it Niemi….. you got that freaking ring, DO GOOD by it now!
Amen.
You think the ring plays good D?
Or can replace Niemi’s blocker?? That thing is big…he should wear it tonight hahahahhaha! OK I’m gonna stop b4 i get in trouble.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"Welcome to Fear the Fin...where we eat our own." -Noctro
by mssjsclowie29 on Nov 4, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
*sigh*
Is it too late to change my prediction now that Niemi is starting? LOL! just kidding!…. kinda….
:) I won’t say anything too bad- just hoping Niemi decides to channel in that “great” goaltender DW seemed to have thought he was back in the day (aka in September). So, GO NIEMI! Give Niitty the whole night off please!
Demers looks great
We might have dug up a good one in Jason Demers. He looks so much more confident in his own end this year, and is playing much more physical. He is making great break out passes … really like what I see out of him.
Also, I think it’s safe to say that the Huskins contract is going from atrocious to pretty good. I thought he was decent last year, and is playing even better this year. Keep it up Kent.
Wallin looks much better than last year. Injuries really must’ve slowed him. Not $2.5M good, but he’s been solid, and certainly not the problem.
Murray is Murray. Good player, but not a great player, never will be. I think his improvement was exponential and has reached the old leveling stage.
Disappointments:
Boyle – doesn’t look fully in shape yet, has really struggled in his own end this year. I did notice him conscientiously trying to not press the point too much and to be in better position after a turnover, so I think his season will turn around in the next couple weeks.
Vlasic – looked terrible against the Wild. I wonder what’s up with him, has he lost confidence? or did he just not train as hard this year because he knows he has a top spot on the blueline?
All depth d-men – If one of our top 6 goes down, there is no depth… at all.
As Plank has been clamoring for, we need 1 more D — either shutdown (with Boyle) or a puckmover (pair him Vlasic). Doesn’t really matter, as long as he is a Top 4 guy. Anybody will help. Then we can start talking Stanley Cup dreams again. PS. Wilson said he’ll get this done, and I expect him to by the trade deadline. Normally he doesn’t like to move roster players, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Setoguchi go the other way in any deal.
Huskins & Demers have both looked very good so far, probably warranting a little more icetime for both. Wallin has been improving as the season has progressed. Murray is Murray.
The Chicago situation this year interesting to look at because it could help answer a different question: Can forward depth mask a lack of depth on defense? Someone brought up Seabrook, but I think that a more striking example is Hjalmarsson… no points and -9 in 15 games.
Having Vlasic and Boyle come back up to a good level will do much more in the short term than adding any players to the team. That said, since we’re getting into November now, DW should be looking at any of the tanking teams and try to capitalize on their panic if an opportunity arises.
Seabrook has been good
Hammer has been plagued by not knowing who the hell his partner is from one shift to the next. His game has gotten considerably better in the last week and he’s looked solid not that Campbell is back.
I also wouldn’t read too much into the Chicago situation until mid next month. If the team doesn’t gel by then, that’s when a good case study can start to be made. Regardless of the injury situation, the team isn’t forming a cohesive bond and Q is assembling some pretty dreadful lines (i.e. Two marginal defensemen in Scott and Hendry playing wing against the Devils last night, WTF?)
and when I say that Seabrook has been good, I mean that he’s been much more stable than Keith. Much more stable.
We’ll take Keith off your hands if you want. But remember we’re doing you a favor, so you’ll owe us one…
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t think I was going to get to see this game, but just got home from the pub and realised we’re only 20 minutes away from puck drop.
Please note that all spelling and punctuation errors are brought to you by Newcastle Brown Ale, proud sponsors of drunken posting since, well, about three minutes ago…
Go Sharks!
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
That is a delicious delicious beer. You are a good man!
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Why thank you, and yes, it is a delicious brew. But I must admit I was only drinking it this evening because there was not a drop of Guinness to be had.
Oddly enough, NBA is a rather niche beer over here, but in Bay Area supermarkets it seems to be stocked in epic quantities. That always makes me chuckle when I’m in California.
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
I may get hounded for this, but, I have to be in the right mood for the Guinness meal. Its not a beer I could have anytime. A newcastle however, I could have pretty much whenever.
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I usually had to warm up to Guiness, it wasn’t a beer I would go into Sober. Sometimes I’d go with a Black and Tan to start.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Guinness is an acquired taste. I despised it at university but during my journalism training in 2007 I embraced it and haven’t looked back since.
I’m lucky to live in Kent which, although I’m obviously biased, is the greatest ale (as opposed to lager) producing region on the planet. So many independent breweries making fantastic beers.
On a side note, if you like a drop then try 99 Bottles of Beer in Santa Cruz, you’ll not be disappointed.
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Yea, you have no idea how much my roommates and friends would chastise me because I didn’t want to have Guinness all the time. Its not that I don’t like it, just need to be in the mood for it.
And I might have to try that in Santa Cruz, I’ve been looking for an excuse to head back over there…
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is probably too far OT, but have a look at these adverts for Spitfire (yes, named after the fighter plane) Kentish ale. Funny stuff…
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
New Castle is how I survived college
After that I moved to New Belgium beverages, mostly Fat Tire, but they have other good ones.
I’ve moved on to local microbrews over the last couple of years. Hanger 24 and Stone mostly here in Southern CA. Stone produces an Ale called Arrogant Bastard Ale… I find that it suits me pretty well.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Fat Tire is pretty tasty as well. Dont know if you like reds, but Killians is a rather tasty Irish Red. I highly recommend it.
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Killians is good. I drank a lot of the BJ’s Red when I lived in Campbell. Fairly good stuff too, at least as far as BJ’s beer is concerned.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yea…not a huge BJ’s beer fan. I stick to my whiskey when I go to BJs. Though their little platter of all the beers isnt too bad.
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True. True. And I just saw your Arrogant Bastard comment, awesome.
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I didnt know you have wings ED! I kid, I kid
by animadiversion on Nov 4, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions

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