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You're going to hear plenty about Dany Heatley today. It's going to be front and center in Ottawa, the Mercury News is going to cover it, and national sources will all chime in with their opinion. It's a big story for the Senators community, comparable to if Joe Thornton requested a trade out of San Jose, and that's something that deserves to be acknowledged. But with the Sharks 2-3-2 in their last seven games we've got some more pressing in-house issues to address this morning.

So yeah. Heatley's back in Ottawa. Moving on.

Coming from a man who has kept a pretty even keel over the first twenty-something games of this season, San Jose's upcoming road trip is the first time where the Sharks inconsistency has really hit home with me. I feel like I just got sucker punched by Mike Tyson in the midst of a Phil Collins drum solo. I'm having trouble producing solid stools, my leisure money has spent an inordinate amount of time finding its way into the comfort food section at the local supermarket, and Augustus Griggs isn't returning my phone calls. I'm lost out here in the great yonder, floating about like a ghost without a name.

I'm delicate like Damien Rice. I'm dazed and confused like Robert Plant. I'm highly suspicious like Jim James.

And I'm experiencing the end of the innocence like Don Henley did back in 1989.

Star-divide

For starters, the Sharks have played pretty poorly on the road lately. Games against Colorado and Dallas were icing on the cake, but before that, the shutouts have been as plentiful as the salmon of Capistrano and losses have been as common as the pop culture references in this article:


2010-2011 San Jose Sharks Road Woes

Record
GF/GPGA/GP
SO Against
SV% PP% PK%
4-4-2
2.5
3.0
3
.896 20% (8/40) 84.8% (39/46)

The thing is, those totals don't necessarily reflect the current play of the Sharks away from the cozy confines of HP Pavilion. Beginning with their loss at the hands of Calgary back on October 24th, San Jose was shutout three straight times (CGY, MIN, STL), blew a pair of two-goal third period leads that they took into the final ten minutes of play (COL, DAL), got shredded by the Vancouver Canucks to the tune of 6-1, and eeked out a gutty win with four healthy defenseman against the Oilers-- it's hard to complain about that lone victory considering the health of the blueline, but it should be noted that a late game comeback was averted in the dying seconds after Edmonton scored two quick markers to put the game in jeopardy.

It hasn't been pretty lately for the Sharks on the road, and that's a big concern going forward as they play five games in eight nights. They've struggled with staying out of the box, the power play has been mercurial, and their goaltending has been hung out to dry. It's a perfect storm.

The second reason this road trip concerns me is that the blueline is currently populated by three defenseman who didn't begin the year in the Sharks starting lineup. We've covered Justin Braun fairly extensively over the past three games, and are big believers in his ability to blossom into a full-time NHL player, but his mistakes last night against Detroit were glaring. As with every young player you're going to get shifts that run the gamut from making an excellent breakout pass to spring Dany Heatley on a two on one (with Braun coming back moments later to make a heady play that broke up a Red Wings scoring chance), getting spun around by Pavel Datsyuk, a blistering point shot that generates a juicy rebound, a rookie error of breaking out of the zone too early, and just about everything in between.

Derek Joslin has also impressed, with a knack for some heavy stick checks and some nimble lateral movement in the offensive zone. Mike Moore looks out of place right now, but he's earned good reviews in Worcester and will probably adjust to the professional game as we move along.

But the fact of the matter is these guys are being forced into roles they're not built for right now-- Braun is seeing top four minutes when he would be much better suited for the bottom pairing, and Joslin and Moore are getting paired together instead of with a veteran defenseman like Niclas Wallin or Kent Huskins who can pick up their reads and offer a conservative approach to their young and brash portfolio.

Again, this isn't condemning them to a life riding the pine in the European leagues-- all these guys have some upside that will surface as playing time increases (with Braun and Joslin that upside is already apparent). There's no giving up on them right now, and it's a good learning tool for them professionally.

But what this does is stretch an already suspect Sharks defensive core to its absolute limit. We've questioned Boyle's ice time, cited Douglas Murray's propensity for being off and on, and have frankly been a little stunned at Vlasic's poor season to date. With three Worcester players thrown into the mix its a fleeting hope that this team can legitimately come out of this road trip with significant momentum.

The good news is that Jason Demers is getting healthy-- I had an opportunity to touch base with him during Tuesday night, and he said that he would be on the flight to Ottawa and hopes to be in the lineup during the tail end of the road trip. Niclas Wallin will also be accompanying the Sharks these next eight days despite what looked like a nasty injury to his left leg, and his return will also be welcome.

But even with those additions, the Sharks blueline needs an upgrade. It was the story of the offseason here at Fear The Fin, and comes as no surprise that we still feel the need is desperately there for the team to turn into a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.

I've written a pair of articles during the last week and a half that have stated it is unlikely Doug Wilson would make a move at this juncture in the season, for these reasons specifically:

Management teams across the country have become much more privy to the implications of the salary cap system, and are hoarding effective players because of it. Coupled with the fact that Wilson would not have the upper hand in negotiations right now as teams are fully aware that he is looking for an upgrade (most likely on the backend), as well as the fact that there aren't a whole lot of teams with an eye to the future beyond the 2010-2011 NHL season, and you run up against quite a few roadblocks preventing San Jose from acquiring a top three defenseman at a price that won't significantly hurt their forward group.

The Sharks need a top three defenseman in order to become legitimate Stanley Cup contenders-- we touched upon it all summer, and the idea behind it is as true today as it ever was. There's no question on where I stand on the subject. And one has to think Wilson will eventually get San Jose the upgrade they need, or at the very least, exhaust all possible avenues trying to do so.

But in order for that to happen, he is going to need time. Time for teams to become sellers, time for the Sharks to improve which will increase his bargaining power, and time for players falling short of expectations to bolster their trade value.

The most important thing for the Sharks right now isn't making a blockbuster trade to snap them out of their twenty game funk. The most important thing for the Sharks right now isn't relying on their General Manager to be pushed into making a trade that has all sorts of risks involved. The most important thing for the Sharks right now isn't vainly trying to unload their depreciating assets on to a team that has the top three defenseman required to get them over the hump.

The most important thing is starting to consistently win hockey games with the roster they have in place. And that starts in the locker room and on the ice, not via a long-distance call to the East Coast.

>> "Is a trade on the horizon for the San Jose Sharks?", November 23rd

However, I must say, this road trip could change my opinion on whether or not Doug Wilson would consider pulling the trigger this early. If the Sharks come out and struggle immensely, and the Western Conference playoff picture begins to get a little more spread out than it was last week (and still is today), I wouldn't rule out a big move for a top three defenseman.

The issues with this hypothetical deal are still there of course. Little to no bargaining position, players who are too essential or too under-performing to warrant a sizeable return, cap space, the lack of an inter-Conference trade market, the fact that San Jose is looking for a very specific player (top three defenseman who would be able to contribute both offensively and defensively) that is a precious commodity for teams all around the NHL-- the list goes on and on.

But if the Sharks expand on their five previous road outings, and continue to struggle immensely with consistency, there's a little part of me that has come to terms with the fact that Wilson could make a big play to shake up the roster. The risks would be enormous, possibly even more so than they were a week and a half ago, and the organization would likely give up much more than they would ever want to during this process. Roster players with notable strengths. Talented young individuals with potential to develop into top players. Draft picks and prospects.

That's the price you pay for a top three defenseman. And whether or not the Sharks pay it this early in the season could have a lot to do with how they perform in these next five games.

Ottawa has struggled and are banged up with injuries to some key players, but Heatley's return adds a wrinkle into the festivities that can't be accounted for. Montreal has received phenomenal goaltending from Carey Price this year and stands at the top of the Northeast Division. Detroit is Detroit, the Joe is the Joe. Philadelphia has scoring pop, a brilliant blueline, and a goaltender who is likely playing some of the best hockey in his career right now. Buffalo has struggled, but on a back to back to end a five game road trip, fatigue will definitely come into play for San Jose.

This isn't a line to draw in the sand. It's not an indicator of what we may see the rest of the season. Wins against Los Angeles and Chicago have shown us that consistency isn't something to expect after an excellent performance.

This road trip is a huge question mark that's going to be answered within the next eight days.

And that has my stomach doing backflips out into the sea.

Prediction: Sharks win 3-2. Goals by Heatley (x2) and Braun. Scotiabank Place is holding their annual "Bring Your Cow to Scotiabank Place for a free Ric Flair DVD" promotion tonight, so expect to hear a lot of moos and woos on the television.

 

Go Sharks.

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You wrote a lot for this post but it was this that solidified this as awesome.

Scotiabank Place is holding their annual “Bring Your Cow to Scotiabank Place for a free Ric Flair DVD” promotion tonight, so expect to hear a lot of moos and woos on the television.

I’m going out on a limb and saying Heatley doesn’t get a goal, but he does set up Jumbo for one. Also, McGinn and Cooch both get goals in their return to their juniors’ city.

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by jwizzle241 on Dec 2, 2010 3:35 AM PST reply actions  

I think I would rather discuss Heatley returning to Ottawa than rehashing what we know is lacking. I’m trying desperately to find ways to not go into panic mode yet.

Sharks turn around their luck with this road trip. Bank on it!

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 6:27 AM PST reply actions  

Moooooooo

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 6:50 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Cant wait, got my Christmas music mixed with Slayer on shuffle, getting amped!
 
Thats good news on Demers and Wallin making the trip. RETURN OF THE HEATER!! Wouldnt be suprised if the Sharks hit the ice like a bat out of hell, if the 2 top lines drop whatever monkey they got on their back, this game will be a high scoring one…5 games in 8 days.. brutal!
I know you can pull your goalie and have a extra skater, but can you pull a forward and have an extra goalie? Has it been tried?

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 6:59 AM PST reply actions  

Slayer on shuffle. Nice. So, do you celebrate their entire collection? An extra goalie? I doubt it, but could prove entertaining and lots of face palms with a resounding “Doh!”.

by Suisun Dan on Dec 2, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL! Yep, Haunting the Chapel to World Painted Blood, not the same effect when Bing Crosby or Frosty the snowman jumps in, but it works for now, still.. Reign in Blood rules, that album is still my favorite!

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

You heard it here first...

Prediction: Hat-trick for Heatley. :-)

by psantangeli on Dec 2, 2010 7:20 AM PST reply actions  

Oh please.........

A win! please………
I wanna go on vacay with a happy smile and a WIN by the boys in Teal.
GO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Catstoy on Dec 2, 2010 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

Danny "The Heater" Heatley & Cheechoo

 psantangeli Im with you! I’d love to see a Heater Hat-trick!

Its too bad they can’t call up Cheechoo for tonight’s game. I’d like to see Cheech play against his former team. I’d love to see the look on the Ottawa GM’s face on the TV if Cheechoo scored because he’s STUPID for buying him out!

Sharks Fan going to the Sharks vs Canadien game LIVE on Saturday!!!!

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder if that will be a HNIC game airing on the NHL Network?

by Suisun Dan on Dec 2, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Give Cheechoo a break!

how would you feel after having double hernia surgery?

In 22 games with Worchester he has 20 points. He’s have 20 points with Ottawa this year if he was playing!

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ottawa Senator Stats

With Cheechoo with 20 points he’d have more points then the Senators TOP guy Daniel Alfredsson he has 18points and is a -7 player.

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a huge difference between AHL and NHL stats....

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 2, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That is not bang for the buck. Not a stupid move at all!

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That guy has tons of heart and grit, he learned alot from Ricci and Scott Thornton, Cheech was awesome, he was a great player, that season he scored 56 goals was outta nowhere, who thought he wouldnt recover from injury… but thats all past tense.

A GM moving/buying out a player that cant play to his potential, so he can have a roster/cap space for a healthy one is not a bad move. I didnt throw away my Cheechoo memorabilia, but I dont see him coming back to the NHL..

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you, Cheechoo had to be bought out, the production didnt warrant the contract.

As for him ever coming back up, yes he has 20 points, but he’s also a team worst -10 and only shooting at 11%.

I dont really see it in the cards for him unless there is a rash of injuries to the wingers where 4 or 5 guys are needed to fill in.

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by angryjay93 on Dec 2, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Shame Cheechoo was sent down. I always wanted to see the Ruutu-Cheechoo-Tootoo line.

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by gotsparkly on Dec 2, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t it just? Admit it, watching a broadcast team try to get that one out would be nearly as funny as watching them try to deal with Vancouver’s power play the season before last – Sedin-Sedin-Sundin.

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by gotsparkly on Dec 2, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Cheechoo is on an AHL try-out contract.

And cannot be called up by the Sharks until they signed him to a professional contract. And any other team can sign him to a pro contract as well. Cheechoo (at this point) is basically only affiliated with Worcester.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 2, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You all make me very proud.

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

We graduated from the ED school of knowing we can't call up Cheechoo.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

While I love Cheech, I am kind of getting tired by the "call him up" talk.

Mainly because we simply do not have the option of doing that.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 2, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I swear, it’s like hearing people say we should sign Crosby or Ovechkin…

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course, those are the same people screaming at the top of their lungs that we should trade Huskins, Wallin, etc, with a draft pick and a prospect, and expect to get a Crosby-esque quality player from it….can’t expect much from them….

by VVhirlwind on Dec 2, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I just wanna hear one of you guys acknowledge...

that what heatley did to Ottawa was a complete piece-of-human-garbage move. Lemme explain the facts:

- In 2007, .he signed a 4-year contract extension, with a signing bonus and no movement clause.

- The next year, out of nowhere, he requested a trade. Still, no reason has been provided for it. “I needed a hockey change” is the best we’ve gotten…

- Because of the no movement clause, we’re handcuffed into finding a trade that he approved of.

- We can’t find a trade, so he literally comes into our GM’s office crying on the first day of training camp. Well, he was “very emotional”.

- With a gun to our heads, we make a very one-sided trade with the San Jose Sharks. After all is said and done, we ended up accepting Michalek (20 goals avg.) for healtey (40 goals avg.)

Ottawa is a big time hockey town. It’s the only professional sports team that we have. For some asshole to demand a trade, run away to his cottage for the summer until it happens, and then still accept his signing bonus….it doesn’t sit very well with the fans.

I mean, you guys like heatley now right? Imagine if the scenario above went down in SJ….

by oldmonk on Dec 2, 2010 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

The Heatley move

Dany Heatley’s a man who represented his country and won Canada a GOLD metal in this year’s Olympics. He’s a player who wants to WIN! He knew Ottawa was going down they toilet when they hired Cory Clouston a coach who doesn’t know what it takes to WIN! Going to Edmonton was a NO GO because it didn’t take a rocket scientist to know the Oilers were failing in the West ever since they made the 2006 stanely cup finals. NOW Heatley’s on a great team with great players and has a GREAT chance of winning the Stanely CUP and thats what he wants. Ottawa and Edmonton don’t have that chance

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

All of his claims indicate that his “hockey problems” started around the time that Clouston came on board.

Ottawa’s record that season before Clouston: 17-24-7
Ottawa’s record that season after Clouston came on board: 19-11-4

So actually, it looks an awful lot like Dany’s personal success matters a lot more than team success. The team was moving in the right direction that season, but he refused to buy into the system. He wanted to WIN! with the San Jose Sharks, currently sitting in 12th in their conference.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

12th in the conference.

But 3 points out of 2nd. The Western conf. is in a traffic jam at the moment.

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough. The main point I was making was that under Clouston, the team improved immediately and dramatically, and yet we’re supposed to believe the guy left for hockey reasons.

Well, if they were hockey reasons, then they were clearly selfish hockey reasons.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I suspect it was more media related, and possible coach-player relationship related (which are off-ice hockey reasons). Can’t really, at that time, say that leaving Ottawa was a move to try and win.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

And the thing is, at least when LeBron left Cleveland, he was at the end of a contract. He made no promises to the fans or the organization that he would return.

Heatley signed a freaking contract and then handcuffed the franchise’s management.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Players ask for, nay, demand trades all the time. It’s part of the business of hockey. Sure, it sucks, but don’t act like Ottawa is the only team for this to happen to.

LeBron’s situation was different, as he was the heart and soul of that entire city, and then, on his own, went on national TV to tell them and everyone else, that he was leaving them. That’s pretty damaging.

I’ll understand the booing that accompanies it, though. I won’t question that in the slightest.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My feeling is that what LeBron did was more emotionally and psychologically hurtful to the city and the fans of the team, but what Heatley did was more damaging to the franchise’s fortunes.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I could buy that…to an extent. Except LeBron was their team…and him leaving, and waiting until later in free agency to do so, keeping them on the line the whole time, when they could have gone out and signed someone to try and replace him, well, that hurt the Cavs’ franchise fortunes too. Add that to the emotional trauma of doing it on national tv. Yikes. And Ottawa could have used the extra cap space from losing Heatley to go get some nice pieces.

I think, at this point, Ottawa really can’t still blame Heatley for its on-ice woes. at some point you have to move on and rebuild. It’s not like yall lost Alfredsson and Spezza too…I can’t imagine that a “one way player” and “selfish suckhole” was the key to the entire team’s fortunes…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1.

LeBron James was such an asshole through that whole process. This is what happens when teenagers are given millions and millions to play a game. Immature megalomaniacal twit.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

And then hire their high school friends as “advisors”.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He wasn’t, and I’m not saying that the position we’re in right now is entirely because of Heatley. But sometime-50-goal scorers don’t grow on trees and losing one and getting back a 20-goal man and a bag of pucks ain’t getting it done.

There’s definitely blame to go to the front office on the way the whole thing was handled, but my feeling is that if you demand a trade, your NMC ought to automatically be voided.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

You got a 50 goal scorer in return… one that was injured… and was out of juice… but a 50 goal scorer nonetheless!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

but my feeling is that if you demand a trade, your NMC ought to automatically be voided.

I could agree with that. But since it isn’t a rule, I can’t really fault him for not wanting to go to Edmonton.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough. But surely you can’t fault the fans for resenting the guy who denied their team a better trade?

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, as I said in a post elsewhere, I can’t fault the booing. It’s what fans do. We’ve done it…it happens. The “piece-of-human-garbage” part of your original post was a little harsh, though…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit, my bad…i shoudl had siad “the original post” on this topic.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian Campbell

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I completely understand the booing from Ottawa fans, anything beyond torrential boo’s I will not understand. Ottawa management fucked up that situation nearly as bad as Heatley himself and it’s not like Murray gets boo’d out of the building on a nightly basis like he should.

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s even more funny is our AHL team got the bag of pucks back!

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi-larious.

(I realize that this could come off as snark, but I assure you, I’m just playing it for good-natured yuks. :))

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No question he put them in a bind with the request

I still think Sens management could have done better with how they played it. They decided to fight a media war. The won the media war but shot themselves in the foot for the actual trade war.

I do not begrudge Sens fans booing Heatley. I’d boo Ed Belfour if he ever came to the Tank, and I still jokingly boo Brian Campbell, and neither of those scenarios are anything close to the Heatley situation.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Heatley also signed an NTC as part of his “freaking contract.”

What’s the point of having the NTC if you can’t use it? Fault Ottawa’s front office. Not the player for exercising it.

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by Will Bulldozer on Dec 2, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Gentlemen, start your engines!

It has begun.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He wanted to WIN! with the San Jose Sharks, currently sitting in 12th in their conference.

To be fair, we did get to the WCF last year with him. That constitutes a certain level of “winning.”

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

True enough. I can’t take that away from him (or SJ fans).

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Heatley flat out felt that he was carrying the team too much, and yet the team wasn’t in a “rebuilding phase” like most other teams that have 1 guy carrying them (think Islanders and Tavares) and he wanted to be in a winning atmosphere.

When he signed his extension, they had just succeeded in getting to the playoffs and even though they lost to the Pens he probably felt things were looking up, so he wanted to continue.

The following season they started to fail hard and then brought in a new coach with a system that Heatley likely felt wasn’t designed to help what tools their team had (regardless of if that is true or not). The team then failed to make the playoffs.

He’d been in the NHL 7 years at that point, consistantly producing, and yet he was still on a sub par team that backtracked from its previous year and he likely saw it as not likely to improve under the system the new coach was implementing, and so he wanted out and on to a team with a chance of winning. This part at least is proven by his refusal to go to Edmonton. Why backtrack even more to again (in his mind or not) be the guy that carries the team and isn’t a contender. In SJ, he’s one good player among many, exactly where he wants to be regardless of our current performance brought on by lackluster defensive capabilities (loss of Blake hit us huge).

He didn’t go out of his way to snub Ottawa or its fan base, its not like he held a press conference, the info got leaked, nothing he could do about it. But at that point it didnt matter, he wanted out of the place he saw as on the decline and wanted to be somewhere his skills could contribute to a cup. Whether his opinion was justified or not, thats how he saw it, and it is his life, if he’s unhappy he can do whatever he wants to try and fix it.

I love the fan reaction though. They feel betrayed because he doesn’t want to be there, but obviously they think he would be better with them still (just like the Campbell thing with SJ, though him leaving after the team made the 2nd round of the playoffs that year was odd). They chant Heatley sucks, but if they really thought so, then they wouldn’t care that he was gone.

by VVhirlwind on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, no reason has been provided for it. "I needed a hockey change" is the best we’ve gotten…

That’s it tho – no reason has been provided. There may very well be a reason and they just don’t wish to share it with the fans. I’m not in a position to say if it was an asshole move or not cause fans aren’t always aware of what goes on behind closed doors. I’m not going to make assumptions or judge someone based on nothing.

He wanted a trade. He was unhappy for some reason and it wouldn’t be resolved being in Ottawa. I’m sorry bout that. But just like the Sharks fans that boo Campbell, I think it’s silly to hold to to bitterness (tho I think some do it for laughs now).

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

That isn’t the point of my statement.

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Most fans aren’t rational, and part of being a fan is booing players you don’t like for whatever reasons. Especially if it’s just for laughs :)
And I agree, it is silly to hold onto bitterness, but I do understand the Senators fans. It was a crappy way to leave and I suppose they never really had “closure” of any kind with that situation, seeing as the reason(s) wasn’t told. Whatever it may be, on the outside, Heatley was perceived as douche and you can’t blame the fans for hating him.

by AppleSweetRose on Dec 2, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I don’t blame them at all. Was just saying, there may very well be valid reasons, but parties involved aren’t sharing. It’s not always right to put all the fault in one place when you don’t know the whole story. Just me being reasonable as always … ha! :)

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha, nothing wrong with being a reasonable fan.
It’s just that the Senators fans are not so willing to be reasonable about the situation and will soak up and spew out whatever bad press the guy gets. They’re not thinking of the whole objective picture, and instead take the him-vs-us mentality about Heatley. Oh well, that’s their prerogative :)

by AppleSweetRose on Dec 2, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

But he didn’t say anything all summer long.

Here. Here is a piece from back when the whole thing went down that illustrates why fans are so mad at Dany: http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/02/dany-heatley-like-stalin-but-with-a-slightly-better-one-timer/

What’s truly fascinating in all this is the utter ham-handedness with which Heatley has "managed" this situation. You’d think a guy who’s raking in millions might be willing to part with $10,000 or $20,000 for some top-notch strategic advice. Nothing fancy – just the basics: precondition the fans to expect an ultimatum, praise the community for its past support (…but golly, I’m an elite player in this league and want to go somewhere where the coaching staff sees me as such, etc. etc.), sit down with a sympathetic reporter and lay out the reasons for wanting out, enlist a teammate or two to speak out as a third-party supporter, maybe visit Ottawa and do a charity thing to emphasize the It’s Nothing Personal aspect of it all.

But nooooooooo. Heatley has done none of that. His trade request was crude and insulting and not couched by any (genuine or manufactured) love for Ottawa and its fans. He’s remained silent for weeks now, allowing the Senators to portray him as a total douche and giving reporters and columnists nothing to write about except those douchey musings. And now, having demanded out, he’s gone and vetoed the only decent trade the Senators could come up with – naturally, without so much as a word as to why.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it was friggin Edmonton. Did you really need to hear that out of Dany’s mouth?

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Players have every right to demand trades, even when they have no trade clauses. But it doesn’t change the fact that demanding a trade and then invoking your NTC is a douche move, and fans have every right to call them on it.

And again, it’s not just about that, it’s also about the fact that he did absolutely n-o-t-h-i-n-g in terms of PR to try and get the fanbase and the city to not hate him that summer.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

And again, it’s not just about that, it’s also about the fact that he did absolutely n-o-t-h-i-n-g in terms of PR to try and get the fanbase and the city to not hate him that summer.

So? Are you suggesting that you wouldn’t be mad if he had hired a PR firm to spin the news once the front office leaked it? I suspect that would not be the case…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

People would hate him, but not like they hate him now. Anyone with half a mind for PR would have seen this all coming. Anyone who cared about the city or the fans that he was leaving behind would have made some gestures, even if only token.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

LeBron James went head on with PR and still is

I don’t think it would work as well as you claim.

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

it goes both ways: players have right to call fans when they're being unreasonable

Ottawa fans threatened to run Jason Spezza out of town. After Spezza repeatedly stated how much he loved the city, his teammates, the organization because you wished that your #1 center was more than what he already was— a damn good playmaker. You ranted about his defense, his clutch ability, his injuries, his laziness, his laugh.

Spezza was getting chastized by the Canadian media, when all he said to the effect was that he would accept a trade if the organization felt it was in their best interests. He had to defend his actions at his charity golf tournament. There was an abysmal rally where something like 80 Spezza fans showed up to support him staying in Ottawa. After the lackluster support by the fanbase and management to support him, I wouldn’t have been surprised if Spezza had also demanded a trade.

Dude, Heatley doesn’t have to spell it out. It’s obvious. You all sure know how to make your superstars feel welcome.

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by Will Bulldozer on Dec 2, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not going to say he didn't make matters worse

But he wanted things to remain private, and they got thrown right under the microscope. I don’t know what he’s supposed to do.

I also don’t know how you guys are supposed to feel about it either, so if you’re upset, I understand that as well.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

Heatly pulled a dick move. If somebody pulled a similar move from our team, we’d be pissed with them. The closest we have is a goalie that got injured, then took less money to go to a rival team once he got better. We booed the heck out of him for the rest of his career anytime he came into the tank. We all have the subjective heroes and villains based around the team we root for. It’s part of the fun. I understand the Ottowa fans booing, but we’re still going to cheer. If Heatly scores a hattrick, the boos would still be music to our ears.

by Missileshark on Dec 2, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, dont blame you for not liking that, but I sure do!

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW, How was Brian Lee’s play? Dont watch much Senators, what kind of Defenseman was he?

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

stay at home defenseman I think

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Brian Lee’s probably struggling in Ottawa because of Cory Clouston

by stingfeyd on Dec 2, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

He's an offensive D man.

He’s a small player, and not gonna get any bigger. He’s got a decent shot and is kinda fast. Recently, there hasn’t been much room for him on D.

He relies a little too much on his pokecheck.

We actually got him at 7th overall….yikes!

by oldmonk on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yikes is right, passed right over Kopitar and Marc Staal, just took a look at the 05 draft, Staal had better numbers at the time too… crazy!!! Oh well, you win some you loose some when it comes to drafting.

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand all the negative sentiment toward him. Honestly, that’s a little like what we felt towards Campbell when he left. Now, I think we just boo him because it’s funny (though fans of other teams think we’re stupid for doing that…).

Yeah, I’d feel terrible if a guy like Thornton, Marleau, or Boyle straight up asked for a trade. Luckily, though, players love playing on our team ;)

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by Bockerz on Dec 2, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we just boo him because it’s funny (though fans of other teams think we’re stupid for doing that…).

Are you kidding? This is exactly why I still boo him.

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

“Piece-of-human-garbage” is a strong term. It’s not like he went out and nuked Ottawa before leaving, and laughed the whole way while talking about how much of a shithole the city is. He never said anything bad about Ottawa, that I know of. Just that he wanted out. And I also heard that it was the Ottawa front office that made the whole thing public (that Heater went to the front office with his request in private), although I can’t verify that.

I think he just got tired of the Canadian hockey media. San Jose, while a great hockey town in terms of fans, sellouts, and an increasingly astute hockey knowledge, does not have a media, or even a fanbase, that will demand perfection. San Jose’s troubles in the playoffs, if this happened anywhere else, would be freaking crucified in their hometowns. Here, the season just ends, some sad articles are written, and we go follow the A’s and the Giants in baseball. The players can go out without getting mobbed by people and media. It’s pretty laid back. Maybe he just thought that sounded appealing after all he’s been through. I wouldn’t fault him for that.

Was it a dick move to request a trade right after signing a new contract? Yes. It is when any player does it. But to call him a “piece of human garbage” for changing teams seems really, really extreme. It’s hockey, not thermo-nuclear war.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

From what I remember he was disillusioned when signing the new contract. The rumor mill has it that he was in some form told he would be given either the captaincy or an Assistant role as well as doing time on both the PK and PP. Which did not happen, and wasnt going to happen. Whether that is true or not, it still doesnt make him a horrible human being for wanting to get traded. Thats his right…

by animadiversion on Dec 2, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s hockey, IN CANADA, not thermo-nuclear war.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

and we go follow the A’s and the Giants in baseball

some of us sulk until the season starts again :)

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand Ottawa's anger

Completely justifiable. I was a big opponent of the trade because of much of that.

However, I think you have to acknowledge one thing (and maybe I’m wrong, and if so, please correct me).

Heatley made his request in private, and it was Management that leaked it and created the media circus, and in many ways created additional handcuffs.

Again, this does not excuse Heatley quitting on the team. But as for the ramifications of how the trade went down, I think management can’t sit COMPLETELY blameless. I’d cite the trade of Heatley from Atlanta. Atlanta didn’t exactly get bent over. Marion Hossa was not exactly chopped liver. There are ways to handle a Heatley situation, and I think Management did not handle it well.

Again, does not excuse Heatley, but as long as we’re putting blame where it belongs, I think it’s only fair.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm also not going to address the complete-piece-of-human-garbage portion

You guys still have Daniel Alfredsson. Shooting a puck at an opponent in the dying seconds of a period qualifies as more human garbage than demanding a trade.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

There are ways to handle a Heatley situation

I love this, and to me it says it all. I think the player has more of a rep for bad behaviour than the Ottawa front office does.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, you blame Heater for wanting out of Atlanta, post car crash that killed his friend?

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that he deserved one chance to start over. ONE chance to start over. And he had that. In Ottawa. Anything on top of that and I think he starts earning a rep.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That's an entirely fair criticism

Again, he’s no angel. But to say the situation is entirely his fault is a bit over-simplistic. I have to say, your GM came off as pretty bitter and whiny as well.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Upthread, I’ve been happy to admit that Murray wasn’t without blame. :)

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Then it turns out your new boss is a grue. You’re dead, game over.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Not again, dammit! Hate this game.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

kiss grue

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by gotsparkly on Dec 2, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

One other thing: When all those conversations are made public, you decide to avoid the break room completely, eat lunch at your desk, avoid all eye contact with your co-workers and put on a ski-mask to enter and leave the building so that no one recognizes you and can ask you any questions. And you don’t write any memos about how it’s nothing personal, and how you’ve made great friends and you appreciated all the support that you got in the office.

You just avoid everyone entirely.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, sounds reasonable to me.

My point still stands. NHL players have very little say in where they play until they become UFAs, and earning a NMC is one of the few ways they can actually determine somewhat their own fate. Don’t want a worst case scenario like Heatley’s to happen? Don’t give him a NMC.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

To me that’s a warped view of what the point of an NMC is. To me, an NMC is to ensure that you will stay somewhere that you like, not to be used to shoot down the team’s options when you decide you made a mistake signing your contract.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And just to expand on that a little: I always thought the point of the NMC from the player’s perspective was that he was saying he had confidence in the organization, and liked his teammates, and liked the city and the fans, and you’re kind of making a commitment to all those people and things when you accept an NMC in your contract. And from my perspective, if you demand an NMC and get one, it’s on you to make the situation work, first and foremost, not for your front office to find you a cushy spot to land.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The point of a NMC from the player’s perspective is to avoid getting traded to disaster teams like Edmonton. The circumstances under which the NMC is offered and accepted are usually as a bargaining chip to compensate the player for giving up UFA years. The above-and-beyond stuff you describe is the delicious frosting on top.

I understand why you’re angry at Heatley—he’s a great player that decided he needed to leave for greener pastures. But all this vitriol for Dany sort of masks the fact that Ottawa’s management screwed the pooch big time since their Finals appearance. Firing the GM, bad coaching decisions, bad player/personnel decisions.

I dunno, as an outsider to your team, the Sens were falling apart before Heatley made his trade request, and how Sens management acted during the whole thing made me believe that Heatley was maybe not crazy for wanting out.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think most Sens fans feel that the GM who was fired deserved to be fired. He mortgaged the future (somewhat) for the present. And, fine, we got a SCF run out of it, and sometimes that’s the price you pay. The current GM has put out a fair number of fires and started restocking the cupboard.

The team may have been in decline when he demanded the trade, but I also think that Heatley’s demand pushed the FFWD button on that, as well.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

It’s actually too bad the wheels fell off the cart there. After your Finals appearance, and the amazing start to the following season, I thought you guys were real close.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I was cheering for yall in your finals appearance. Because, really, fuck the Ducks!

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

At least we can find common ground on this!

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So? Most of the time when players say all that stuff it’s just PR lies anyway. Would that really have made people feel better?

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by Megalodon on Dec 2, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

When you don’t even make a cursory attempt to explain your actions, people are going to make their own assumptions. And they are probably going to assume the worst. And you can’t fault them for that.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Or you could realize there is more to the story and not let the bitterness get to you. But I realize that isn’t for everyone. :)

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you cite the case of a star player who demanded a trade and then remained much-beloved in the city he left behind?

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

well that's sports for you

fans and cities grown to like a player, so when the player says he wants to leave of course you’re going to feel a little betrayed. But I mean, move on. It’s just sports

by FinAdic on Dec 2, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ll move on. It’s just that we just haven’t had the chance for our catharsis yet, see? That’s what’s happening tonight.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s just sports

Yeah … as much as I love the Sharks. It’s just sports. Not life or death. Maybe I feel that way more so right now after reading the news of a Union City guy raping a 2 yr old in a store, but people need to put things in perspective sometimes.

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Great, now I need some elevator music to restore my faith in humanity.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

since when does not being bitter = much beloved? but hey, if being bitter fills you with joy, go for it … :)

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey – I just came here to chat with some people on the other side about something that Ottawa fans are touchy about. I think I’ve been pretty civil and decent! I’ve seen some good points made, and I think I’ve also made some decent points myself.

Am I bitter about how everything with Dany went down? Sure. Am I on any level “filled with bitterness”? Absolutely not.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve enjoyed the discussion on this topic with you. I was hoping an Ottawa fan or two would swing by to talk about it. All we really know here is that we stole heatley in a trade (it was definately one sided) and he’s been good for us.

And don’t worry about Angy…the rest of us seem to enjoy talking about both sides of the issue…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

excuse me?? What the hell dude?

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m just trying to be nice to our guests, and not make moral judgements on how they are reacting to certain situations.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah right. And I haven’t been nice? Whatever dude. I was discussing this as well saying there could be more to the story. The bitterness fills you with joy was a joke … but clearly that went over your head. :)

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

See that smile, it makes me super nervous…

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

lol :)

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This turn of events

Is freaking hilarious after the Wings game…

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by Evilducks on Dec 2, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

We are turning on each other…next thing we know, the mods will be authorized to do full internet body pat downs! THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

ummmm…uh oh

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we can never really know how this whole thing comes off to the other side. To be an Ottawa fan and have watched the way it all went down that summer is just experience that you don’t have, and to be a San Jose fan and realize that, OMG, we basically got Dany Heatley for Milan Michalek!!! is an experience that I don’t have.

But hopefully we’ve helped bridge the two solitudes a little bit here today, haha.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Most players who come to San Jose seem to love it here and don’t request a trade out of here. So it’s hard to know how I’d take it if someone did that. On the other hand, he’s our player now, so we’ll defend him til he pisses us off, lol.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Of the Ottawa Sun Articles I've read today

Heatley is getting bemoaned for leaving the team in the lurch in the same breath he’s being called a peripheral floater who only scores garbage goals.

Sounds like you guys are better without him on your team.

by Morti on Dec 2, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The Sun is a rag.

And Don Brennan has never met a player he didn’t want to run out of town.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry your beat writer is a nozzle

We’re pretty fortunate that we have a great Beat writer in David Pollack. We are unfortunate in that whenever anything of note happens to the team, they drag any one of four other more prominent writers out, who know nothing about hockey.

by Morti on Dec 2, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s unfortunate, but I know what you mean. It can be amusing whenever hockey catches the US national media’s attention to see what know-nothings like Michael Wilbon or Bill Plaschke have to say.

But honestly, it’s really just that the Sun is a rag. The Ottawa Citizen is the more respectable of the two papers in town.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Compared to what went down with Detroit fans the last 48 hours, I’d say things are pretty civil.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, yeah, last game was kind of over the top…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, people can assume whatever they want. But that doesn’t really reflect poorly on Heatley at all.

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by Megalodon on Dec 2, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno. To me, it smacks of not taking responsibility. It shows an immaturity to just leave the way he did.

by dzuunmod on Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn’t want to make a media issue of it. Once it became one he was probably pissed and didn’t want to talk about it. I don’t blame him.

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by Megalodon on Dec 2, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks!

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by 49er16 on Dec 2, 2010 7:56 AM PST reply actions  

Hell, I was bitter over Owen Nolan getting moved but I got over it.

by Suisun Dan on Dec 2, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, and look who we got in return for that McCauley..That sucked!

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Nolan was broken when we traded him. McCauley was worth more than Nolan ended up being worth for Toronto.

It was only after he retired and took a few years to heal his back that he was able to resume his career.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Heatley

has been on a tear as of late. I wouldn’t doubt that he scores 1-3 goals tonight. In fact, I want him to score 3 goals and assist the rest. Yes, rub it in their faces! Oh, and I definitely will be sporting my Heatley jersey today! GO SHARKS!

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by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

Another game I wont be able to watch because of the dispute between Dish and Comcast.

In terms of what I hope to see, I just want to see a good quality road game. Get the puck deep, forecheck, keep pressure on the Sens and dont give them much room to work with in the neutral zone. The last thing the Sharks need is a lot of pressure in their own zone while relying on Vlasic, Boyle, and Murray for 25:00 + ice time.

It’s just too bad these solid road game performances have been so far and few between this year. It doesn’t inspire as much confidence as I would like.

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by angryjay93 on Dec 2, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

Direct TV

Carries all the Sharks games, offers better service and more HD than Dish. I used to have Dish, they suck! You’re better off switching to either Comcast or Direct TV. Otherwise, you could miss the entire season (although that might be easier on your stomach).

The way the Heater situation went down was unfortunate, but I blame management in Ottawa as much as Heatley for how it was handled. As far as the bonus goes, he should have returned it since he had no intentions of every playing for the Sens again. It just goes to show that star players run the league now and usually get what they want.

If Sheldon Souray is available and healthy for $2.8 per for the next two years, do we pull the trigger on him? Toughness, blistering shot, attitude (?).

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

That is the question with Souray.. healthy? With what happen with Mitchell and LA, my feeling is its a gamble, if we had more cap space to play with I wouldnt think twice and maybe we could get a winning streak put together before he goes down again..

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol there is no difference when it comes to CSNCA, directv sales rep, is that you?

by GrayDilla on Dec 2, 2010 1:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m in the DISH boat as well. Sucks.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you guys have NHL Network? Because it’s apparently going to be airing there today.

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by mymclife on Dec 2, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I have NHL Network as well as Center Ice. But living in the “local region” for the Sharks means they black out the broadcast on all other channels. I couldn’t watch the Sharks-Wings game on NHL Network on Tuesday…I assume today will be no different.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, i had the same issue last week where the blacked out the game on NHL network.

My problem is made worse by the fact my roommate hates Direct TV because of an earlier dispute and refuses to change to them (its his house). Also, Comcast is not an option because of where i live, therefore im screwed.

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by angryjay93 on Dec 2, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

We had comcast in my house. One of my roommates (the one who controls the TV bill) got pissy with them over something menial, and changed us to DISH (which is cheaper than DTV). I said whatever. But in the last two months, it’s been a nightmare. And now the roomie has us locked into a 2 year contract…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder

do you think you could do what DirecTV customers did during the Versus disupte? You know, call in all angry about missing hockey, threaten to cancel, and get some discounts or free center ice to cool ya down?

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve asked the person who’s name DISH is under to do so…but they aren’t Sharks fans, really, and therefore don’t care. I’d have thought they cared about saving money (I already paid for center ice…so they can’t offer that)…we’ll see.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

My roommate is the same way, doesnt care about hockey because he likes to watch the Kings. There is zero reason at all to get Comcast sports back in order for him to watch the Kings for obvious reasons.

As far as the pub route, closest one is 30 minutes away, no guarantee they will play the game either if I show up.

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by angryjay93 on Dec 2, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the Kings (NBA) were on CSN California as well. I have to go to CSN plus when the Kings and Sharks are playing at the same time.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Relegation in north american sports would be awesome. A logistics nightmare, but awesome.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s when you go hit up a pub or something that is playing the game

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by Angy on Dec 2, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

U-Verse?

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by jwizzle241 on Dec 2, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks!

All the glaring problems aside, I’m positive about this game. Heatley for the hat trick, yes!
I’m sure they can pull a win out of this. Good stuff.

by AppleSweetRose on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

Excited for the game!

Although I’ll be watching a DVR recording after work….oh well. I wonder if any of the Senators will take a run at Heatley (clean hit mind you). It would really get their fans going.

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by sharks in oc on Dec 2, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

BOOOOOOOO

Ahhhh I can’t wait for that boo’ing to fuel Heater’s jets. I say he comes out with guns blaring and scores the first goal. It’s a multi point night for Dany for sure.

I like your optimism Angy. I’m joining in on your prayer!

by winthecupsj on Dec 2, 2010 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

We are spoiled

“Niclas Wallin will also be accompanying the Sharks these next eight days despite what looked like a nasty injury to his left leg, and his return will also be welcome.”

My, how things have changed since the beginning of the season. I can only imagine Plank threw up in his mouth a little bit while writing that. Anyway, on to my point….

Yes, we as Sharks fans are spoiled. We saw our beloved Team Teal improve in some way pretty much every year, from Dean Lombardi to Daryl Sutter (yes kids, there was a time he wasn’t an anchor around his team’s neck) to The Bronze One. We’ve gotten so used to seeing the Sharks kick ass and take names that we’ve come to expect it. This year is different, though (as we’re all aware). There was just too much turnover in the offseason to not expect some bumps in the road. No, we didn’t see a top-to-bottom housecleaning but we did see a few key pieces leave, pieces that provided a firm foundation upon which the Sharks had built their Palace of Win. Is it time to throw in the towel and start cheering the Ducks? Hell no. Let’s not get crazy. The Sharks have most of the pieces they need to build a new foundation. It might take a little time but it will come. Add a few more pieces to the puzzle and do a little retooling and we’re right back on top. Yes, we are spoiled. Yes, we have come to expect wins. No, we’re not getting them right now. But get your fingers away from the panic button, people. We’re one, maybe two, moves away from getting back on track and as we’ve learned from recent history, The Bronze One will provide. Go Sharks.

by Raoul Ritz on Dec 2, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

GO SHARKS!

This is gonna be a fun one, I think, so long as we bring it.

And we’d better bring it. The Kings got Sturm, so they’re probably gonna start moving upwards again.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Damn. Boston gave up Sturm for a DRAFT PICK? Crazy.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Hasn’t he been struggling with injuries?

But he’s not only a former Lombardi draft pick, he’s a recovery project! Deano loves him some Scratch ’n Dent players.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

He has, and supposedly he’s got two more weeks before he’s back.

But they gave him up for a conditional pick. Which is next to nothing. I guess if they really just wanted him gone, but seems like they could have gotten more.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

They couldnt take on any salary

I doubt LA would have dealt any of their monarchs either. Boston Fleeced again!

by Morti on Dec 2, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

This is the one game on the roadtrip that I feel the Sharks can win...

So here’s to hoping for a good start to the roadie, because it really could be a make or break 8 days for us…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

I think depending on how the trip goes and if we get anyone back in time, we should be able to win in Buffalo as well. And unlikely to win the rest unless we see the sharks who played the Kings and Hawks.

by animadiversion on Dec 2, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, seeing this team’s scoring woes on the road, I’d consider myself a fool if I was confident that the Sharks could actually score on Ryan Miller.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats a pretty good point. I just hope we finally see consistently good play out of them, though I have no reason why they should all of a sudden be able to do this. :(

by animadiversion on Dec 2, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Good news about our defense

Both from Plank here, and DP in Working the Corners:

Niclas Wallin and Jason Demers did practice with their teammates, but they won’t be skating tonight.

I know we may not all have the highest praise for Wallin, but ultimately this news is kind of huge. I wonder about Huskins, though; does anyone else think he may have suffered a concussion? Of course, if he did, I don’t see that being the type of injury they’d need to be so secretive about, but whatever.

And one real positive of getting these guys—especially Joslin and Braun—in the lineup? If they do represent well, as they have been, maybe we have a little stronger trade-bait if we do end up making a move to shore-up the defense later on. It’s not like our system is exactly teeming with desirable prospects at the moment.

by Timorous Me on Dec 2, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Concussion seems pretty likely

I don’t think you want to be getting on planes if you have one.

And I think if Joslin and Braun show promise, we have to hang on to them. As unpalatable as it is, I’d rather consider the season lost than part with guys who could be the backbone of this team in the future.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

As unpalatable as it is, I’d rather consider the season lost than part with guys who could be the backbone of this team in the future.

This is a pretty good point. I kinda fear what we’d have to give up to get the pieces we need to actually make us Stanley Cup contenders.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was the point I wanted to highlight, too.

It’d suck to have to give up Ferriero, Braun, Joslin, Moore, Petrecki, Marcou, McLaren, Schaus, or Mashinter. They look to be a big part of us reloading somewhere down the road. If we lost one of them, that’s not the end of the world, but giving up a significant chunk of that group would almost certainly come back to bite us.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you for the most part—I’ve always been one to consider the future of the team (which is why some of DW’s trades have gotten me upset over the years). Being a Giants fan, that perspective was thrown a little out of whack this year, though, considering the unexpected that did occur.

I guess my thought is that if DW is going to make a move (and god, this team can be so infuriating to watch sometimes that it does make it tempting to say, The hell with the future!), it’s good to have more prospects looking appealing to other teams. And to us, of course. But I could certainly envision a defense five years from now featuring Vlasic, Braun, Demers, Joslin, Petrecki…and, hell, maybe still Dan Boyle.

by Timorous Me on Dec 2, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

In five years, Boyle would be the new Blake.

I think I’d be okay with that.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, it's fair that you have to give to get

I made a post a week or so ago in which I recalled some young players that were once “untouchable” for us: Bernier, Carle and Ehrhoff, all of whom were traded eventually, and we got some very high end talent in return.

So it’s not the worst thing in the world to give up talent, but considering that, realistically, only 2 of 3 of those trades really panned out for us, our expectations have to be tempered accordingly.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

If they don’t disclose its a concussion, they may be able to package him in a trade even if it is a slightly underhanded thing to do.

by animadiversion on Dec 2, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Usually there’s a clause that the player has to pass a physical, or else the trade is voided. See Kyle McLaren to the Flyers.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand the Sharks’ posturing when it comes to injuries, but wouldn’t it in some ways be doing a disservice to Huskins to not disclose if it is a concussion? Not like opponents wouldn’t try to hit him or whatever, but it almost feels like a respect factor is involved (potentially) here.

by Timorous Me on Dec 2, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

3 points back, people. THREE…POINTS. With games in hand on Anaheim and Phoenix. Embrace calm. Damn, idunno, that elevator music works wonders!

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

Heatley Updates

Video of today’s morning media scrum.

WTC update on the festivities.

Don Brennan rolls in with his fat fingers a-flyin’.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2010 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

And of course, the front page of The Ottawa Sun. You can pick it up in the line at any local Ottawa supermarket along with the National Enquirer.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just gonna assume this Don Brennan character is a Ray Ratto look alike who penned that article whilst eating dozens of chicken wings (poutine isn’t good for multitasking) and burning a Heater effigy at his desk.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This

is probably the truth.

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Aye

If you have time, check out this video as well. Looks like a high school project.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, dude got paid for an afternoon to basically run around being a dick in Ottowa. The barber with the sword bit was tacky.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand the fans anger with Heatley, it would probably be similar in San Jose if Joe Thornton requested a trade today. But if the Suns coverage is any indication the city might have to be renamed Ottawahhhh. Lots of crying from people who claim Heatley is the crybaby.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't following the team them

But how does it compare to San Jose’s reaction to Belfour bolting town?

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved the Belfour boos as much as anyone, but he only played a quarter of a season with the team. Sort of like Campbell in my opinion.

Thornton seems like the best hypothetical example to me— a player who comes over in a trade, earns the city’s love for four years, and then requests a trade out of town after a bad season.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 2, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The acting in that has to be up there with Marcou and Braun on their shopping trip with Finz.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Woostah? That in the fanshots?

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Brennan’s accusation that Heater only wants to play offence. While he has coasted defensively for us at times, it seems like the things Brennan’s accusing him of not wanting to do in Ottawa are things he generally does for us.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

A “selfish suckhole.”

Awesome. No wonder heatley wanted to leave, if he had to put up with media like that…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, good thing they got rid of him then, huh? What a terrible player!

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s like they have their own Ratto…except our Ratto only shows up for a few months during the playoffs or when we’re bad to talk shit, then goes off to go eat babies and talk about baseball. Their Ratto is around ALL THE TIME!

The horror, the horror…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Does that mean their Kawakami posts “why we suck” articles four times a year?

And does their Mark Purdy call them “Les Sénateurs”?

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You forgot

“our beloved”

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's true.

All I can say is I was going off the team’s name.

And I think Purdy actually believes “our beloved Los Tiburones” is the team’s name.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Les Sénateurs

BWAHAHAHAHAA

by jMoneyBrah on Dec 2, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Rofl...

Rec’d

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s possible to love a thing too much. See also England/football nee soccer.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Barry Melrose

Sorry, I know it’s not saying much, but he thinks that the adversity that SJ is going through will be good for the team. He said as much on his ESPN podcast with EJ the other week. I guess he was saying that they’d find out a lot about themselves and have a chance to correct the problems before the playoffs start. And that adversity is good for a team and can bring a locker room together (unless that locker room was Tampa Bay).

ESPN “rumor” is also saying that Francois Beauchemin is in the Sharks sights. Unless Chris Pronger is his line mate, I’m not crazy about that one. Especially if we have to give Ryane Clowe to get him. His #‘s are not impressive to me, but his contract is one year less than Clowe’s, so SJ would save roughly $4 million on the trade.
I guess it’s slim pickins these days for D-men.

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

adversity is good for a team and can bring a locker room together

We’ve been hearing that line ever since the series loss against Edmonton.

I’m a believer in a lot of sports cliches, but this one becomes hollow after a while. Adversity IS good, but only if you learn from it. Otherwise, it just sucks.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

But at least

Melrose has a nice mullet!

Would you move Clowe for Souray or Beauchemin?

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Edmonton would want more

for Souray. Beauchemin I can deal with, but it would leave a bad taste in my mouth for quite some time.

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by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't move Huskins for Souray

Beauchemin, maybe… I’d have to see what sort of pot sweeteners go either way.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

what about

Souray’s toughness and slapper?
I think Beauchamin is overrated, primarily due to Pronger making him look good in Anaheim.

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Toughness?

Hard to be a tough guy when you’re constantly injured. Also, at $5.4M, no thank you. Not saying he has no value, but for a cap-strapped team, that cap hit is a non-starter for what he’d bring.

I don’t know Beauchemin’s cap hit. It might make me think twice, but again, with the right picks and prospects, I might be convinced.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Just checked Cap-Geek

$3.8M is palatable, and the term is reasonable. If Toronto was willing to go straight up, or ask for a mid-level draft pick in addition, I could be convinced to part with Clowe (as much as that would break my heart. I feel like Clowe has found consistency in his game).

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d rather try to convince them to take Seto…I think Clowe is a more useful piece for our team right now…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He broke his hand

In a fight. Yes he gets injured, but he’s plenty tough and has a blazing shot, which we no longer have because Blake retired. He could be had for $2.8 per year or 1/2 of his salary when he clears waivers.
Beauchemin is at $3.5 & $3.65 over the next two years. So if he went for Clowe, we’d save $4 million because Clowe is signed for one more year than Beauchemin.

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Beauchemin has a hard shot from the point too…and will stay healthy enough for us to use it.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If that's the best we can get now

Then begrudgingly I might do it. But Clowe has so much heart and plays/protects his teamates. Beauch isn’t going to score much, but he won’t hurt you either and we do need more skill back there.

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t do it for Clowe, personally. But he would be better than almost anyone we have on the blueline right now…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Edmonton isn't going to stomach the other half of his cap hit if they don't have to

I don’t think this’ll be an Avery situation. If someone wants him, they’ll tell them to trade for him, or else ride out what’s left of his contract.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is going to pay $5.4 million per year for two years for a 35 year old, injury prone D-man. Edmonton will have to eat half of it or eat it all!

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, if it means taking a $2.8M cap hit this season and next

I think they just eat it.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow!

And get nothing back? I don’t think that will happen. They’re the worst team in the league, so it’s just a matter of time before he’s had for a pitance. BTW, why didn’t we keep Lilja, isn’t he playing well for Anaheim and couldn’t we have had him for less than $1 million? I’d rather have him than Wallin…

by 1 and done on Dec 2, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We already had Wallin

He was signed, which made Lilja redundant from a skillset point.

As for having Souray for a pitance, I seriously don’t see it happening. If Edmonton is going to take back on $2.8M to their cap by recalling him and allowing him to be traded, they’re still going to want more than Souray is worth for the trade to happen.

Souray will come back onto the roster at his full cap hit at the start of next season anyway. They’ll try to move him then. If no one bites, they’ll demote him and his contract will expire in the minors.

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by ElvisVF101 on Dec 2, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Souray’s “toughness”? You mean how he’s consistantly injured and plays through none of it? Doesn’t seem that tough to me…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally off-topic...

But I was mining ESPN for Braun photoshopping material and ran across this pic…

Is it me or are like half the people in that picture staring at Murray’s… er… “Crankshaft”? Especially that guy in the front and the old dude in the middle.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

Asian guy isn’t impressed. At all.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Or he's ashamed...

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Also...

Maybe this is Seto’s injury?

Something wrong with his chops would explain why he’s up and around, but not able to play.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m very drunk, can anyone confirm this is a 12.30 start GMT?

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

Sharks site has it the same as Plank does up top, so I think so.

I just talk a lot and somehow accidentally say things that sound smart. It’s all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

by Auth0r on Dec 2, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re crediting me with too much intelligence. Listening to the Boss. Anyone got a favourite tune they wanna call? I’ve got two hours of trouble ahead.

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Darkness on the edge of town

Nebraska – in its entirety
Jungleland

HUGE Bruce fan. I even have a lullaby Bruce album for the baby.

by Morti on Dec 2, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

So in love with Used Cars. Great tune.

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit. Made it through an hour, God knows how I’ll make it through to puck drop…

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea what that means…

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Here you go.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, we’ve all been there, right? Right?!

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Four loko is the greatest drink ever. Gets you absolutely shitfaced on 1 can for $3 if you have an empty stomach

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You are correct, sir. 12:30am for you, 4:30pm for us. I hate these east coast game start times…especially as I forgot to set my DVR. UGH!

by MisguidedAngel on Dec 2, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

This is in tribute to the guy who got me into hockey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

Riding a zamboni all over Saskatchewan is now my goal in life.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Mr. K's at the game tonight!

But I don’t think he has a Heatley jersey, so that will be less fun…

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

Just heard “What’s on Tap” with Dan Rusanowsky on KFOX. Apparently Clowe has a lot of friends in town for the game and they all bought Heatley jerseys for tonight.

by MisguidedAngel on Dec 2, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha...

Oh, that’s wonderful. If I was headed to Ottawa, I wouldda turned one of my jerseys into a Heater one beforehand…for sure.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.

by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 2, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Tonight is also a big night for Dan Boyle

It’s his 700th NHL game. Not bad for a guy who went undrafted.

by MisguidedAngel on Dec 2, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

No matter how bad it gets....

….just remember: It could be worse. We could have this Perv for a mascot:

"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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by Noctro on Dec 2, 2010 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

Boomer!

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious porn stache.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec’d for being scarily true…

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

he's so cute!!

he looks like a crazy hershey kiss with wheels!!!

by mssjsclowie29 on Dec 2, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

who will put rohipnol in your drink!

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst. School. Assembly. Ever.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL.

"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Noctro is a HORRIBLE stenographer...but he's a GREAT SJ Sharks Fan!!!
Welcome to Fear the Fin...where we eat our own.
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by Noctro on Dec 2, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t really remember. It’s all kind of…hazy.

by ievans on Dec 2, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

oh shit so that was you?

totally kidding. I’m so going to get banned for this.

by mssjsclowie29 on Dec 2, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Apologies for the links, but this is the shit we need on this road trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1E_mMXJZJM&feature=fvst

And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
Randy Hahn: "That is one angry Swedish person."

by BritShark on Dec 2, 2010 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

McCarthy

I just checked him out on the Wikipedia, and if that page is right, the pick we used to select McCarthy in the draft originally belonged to Anaheim!

Suck it Anaheim, that one in a million late round draft pick turned into a third/fourth liner.

Does that make anybody else feel better about our D situation?

by Morti on Dec 2, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmm…no

/inception button

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Inception Button

We need those sound effects!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I rock the dual monitors, and whenever I see a foreboding comment, I hit the inception button.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

AWESOME!

Hockey is like a box of choclates. But not really, hockey is way better.

by Pavsisaninja on Dec 2, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The Hitler reactions never get old. I love the ones that incorporate other footage from Downfall as well.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

As when it comes to hockey hitler reactions

This is my fave. Fits perfectly.

"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald

by joe579 on Dec 2, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite was the Ehrhoff trade reaction

Shameless radio show plug. Also, here's my twitter.
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by jwizzle241 on Dec 2, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, they are hella funny!!!

by sharkblood99 on Dec 2, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

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