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Sharks Gameday: Revolution Number 9

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Principal Ed Rooney: Are you aware that Ferris does not have what we consider to be an exemplary attendance record?

Mrs. Bueller: Uh, no...

Rooney: He's been absent NINE TIMES.

Mrs. Bueller: Nine times???

Rooney: Niiiiiiiine tiiiiiiiiimes.

*****

Imagine now that you're Mrs. Bueller, and I'm Ed Rooney on the phone, informing you of a previously unrealized God-awful truth while reenacting that immortal scene.

(waits patiently while Mrs. Bueller caps are put on....)

Principal do Mayo: Are you aware that the San Jose Sharks have been outshot in each of their last nine games?

FTF Crew: NINE GAMES???

Principal do Mayo: Niiiiiiiine gaaaaaaaames.

(damn - how did John Hughes do it?)

Star-divide

It's true = the San Jose Sharks haven't outshot a team since January 18, when they bitch-slapped Calgary on the scoreboard to the tune of 9-1.  Why the hell aren't we more upset by this?  Has it even been mentioned in the media?

Oh.  That's right = we've gone 7-1-1 in that span.  Funny what 15 points in the standings will do to satiate your fandom in the wake of less-than-inspiring play.

Also placating - the Sharks have won nine straight road victories dating from December 21.  No small feat indeed, and far be it from me to take it away from them.  But back to the point - and winning be damned - what on earth is the #1 team in the West doing getting outshot NINE GAMES IN A ROW?  Something's rotten in Denmark.

Take the Toronto game (yes I was there, that's another post for another time) - we spent most of the first period buried in our defensive end, and paid for it with a goal against.  There was an overabundance of sustained pressure, just not from where you'd expect it.  Giguere was damn right when he said that Toronto was the better team that night (a shame he let in two soft goals... ahem). 

Sustained.  Can we sustain playing like this, where our larger-than-life cast of characters (most notably Evgeni Nabokov) steal victories despite getting vastly outplayed?  Can we play more often like we did against Calgary, when we were the ones bringing the passion and the fury?  Is the sky crashing down upon us?

The answer to at least one of these questions is no.

Tonight probably won't be as easy as we once might have expected.  Just like in Toronto, we'll be competing against a team that's gotten a facelift, with all the perky benefits therein.  Interim coach Claude Noel has guided the Blue Jackets to two straight victories in the wake of the Ken Hitchcock firing, including a 4-0 shutout of Buffalo (although it was Lalime and not Miller in net).  Those consecutive victories were the BJs' first since October 10.  Columbus may sit in 14th place, but that's only 10 points out of a playoff spot (translation - 8 points behind Detroit).  For those that say it can't be done, I have two words for you = Bruce.  Boudreau. 

Prediction = Sharks outshoot the Blue Jackets, while Greiss backstops us honorably.  At least one of those records mentioned earlier stops at nine tonight.   

Hopefully it's just the dubious one.  Go Sharks.

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NINE GAMES?

Thats kind of crazy but not that surprising. Our offense has looked pretty weak as of late which is a big reason why i was so excited about potentially grabbing a guy like Kaberle. Maybe our top guys are just taking it a little easy since the olympics are coming so soon or something? I’m not sure, but stuff like that scares me when thinking about the playoffs.

I always find myself being critical of the Sharks, whether it be their offense or defense, but then i look at the standings and see us on top so i dunno; maybe i’m just crazy.

If you deleted that other post i made, thanks. I hit enter on accident and it automatically posted it before i got a chance to write out my actual post.

by Khaaz on Feb 10, 2010 3:17 AM PST reply actions  

Anyone know how Manny is doing? When does Helminen have to be sent back down b/c of the trade freeze?

by sharkzfanz on Feb 10, 2010 6:31 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t listen to rap music… sorry ;-)

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10
"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

We call it hip hop these days

"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009

by Morti on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Hip hop, rap, crunk, hyphy…its all pretty much the same, right? :-P

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Loud noises?

Yeah, pretty much. (Can’t talk too much. Used to be a fan. Then left high school. Things were so much better then).

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

So uh...

I can’t find you in da club, bottle full of Bud? :D I’m a total alt/indie rock person but that noise its not so bad….gotta go clubbing once in awhile.

"Boys only voluntarily hug when someone scores."

"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous

by mssjsclowie29 on Feb 10, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you meant...

Bottle full of BUB.

As in Champagne. Much cooler than Budweiser.

I shouldn't have said anything.

by perkins.kit on Feb 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

aw shit.

Bottle full of bub as in bbly….my bad…and that is why no more fiddy for me.

"Boys only voluntarily hug when someone scores."

"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous

by mssjsclowie29 on Feb 10, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s right he was shot 9 times!!! One through the mouth in and out…whatagangsta!

"Boys only voluntarily hug when someone scores."

"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous

by mssjsclowie29 on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Marleau? Marleau?

Marleau?
Marleau.
Marleau.
Marleau.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 10, 2010 7:50 AM PST reply actions  

Malkovich. Malkovich?

Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich, Malkovich. Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich!

(Translation)

I concur whole heartily that our once top goal scorer in the league has not played up to his full potential. Therefor I dub tonight as “Patty’s Hatty Fo Shatty”. If he is unable to play up to this illustrious title then he should be run over with a Zamboni and have all the ice shavings dumped on his face to WAKE HIM THE FUCK UP!!!

Cheech...WHO?

by JumboHeatedPatty on Feb 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks

Marleau for a hattie tonight!

"Boys only voluntarily hug when someone scores."

"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous

by mssjsclowie29 on Feb 10, 2010 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

These are good signs I think

For years we’ve been saying how the Sharks don’t win ugly, and how one bad break would kill this team. Maybe these last nine games are proof that everything doesn’t have to go right in order for them to win. I don’t mind winning ugly at all, as long as it’s not permanent.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

I agree to an extent. I mean, I never want the Sharks to be outplayed…and they’ve been getting outplayed a lot recently. However, it is a sign of character that this team can still win when being outplayed. It’s something we’ve lacked in the past. Now they should use that confidence of knowing they can do that to completely assert their own game on the compeititon. The knowledge that you can win even when things don’t go right should only have to be used on occasion. It’d be nice to see them demolish someone again.

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks!

Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"

by 49er16 on Feb 10, 2010 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Let's Go Sharks!

I want my Manny back…..

"What an idiot" - Craig Rivet
"Al Stalock, his reflexes are so good he can smell a fart before someone even lays one"

by sharkiesgirl on Feb 10, 2010 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

Say it like Mr. Rooney..

Niiiiiiiiine Tiiiiiiiimes. More fun that way.

Classic trap game tonight. Keep your heads up, boys!

by bison on Feb 10, 2010 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

You're right

More "i"’s makes it sound better. To be adjusted momentarily.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Go Sharks!

I can’t find any “traditionally-Columbus-ian” foods for tonight, but I’ll miss a good portion of the game anyhow. Following in the footsteps of my friend, the Ohio native, we’ll be likely making buckeyes to eat — it’s not a meal, but it’s something!

by xarexerax on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

Yea these early starts kill me. I probably will have to miss the first two periods. Oh well

by sharks in oc on Feb 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Chili!

Dont they do something funky with Chili in Ohio?

Cincinnati Chili! Close enough for rock n roll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_chili

"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009

by Morti on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Malhotra?

First post on FTF so with that I say hello fellow finners (is that even a word?).

Anyhow, the Sharks camp has been rather mum on the Malhotra injury and I would be very interested if Plank or TCY has any info regarding this. He hasn’t even been listed as injured in the game time reports that I have seen. Is he still on the road with our boys? He really seemed to inject the right energy into that 2nd line and would love to have him right back there where he belongs. I am however glad to see us winning regardless. Ugly or not I think it speaks to our versatility and could prove vital come April.

Go Sharks!

by skeletonparty on Feb 10, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Is he still on the road with our boys?

Yes – I said “Hi” to him at the Sharks’ hotel in Nashville. Unfortunately I have nothing else to add for an update.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you get this number?

"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009

by Morti on Feb 10, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

HAHAHA – no, I’m loyal to my one true love, Danny Miller ;-) BTW, Miller read the article we posted about him.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Awwww, your loyalty to your one true is touching! Not enough people are so devoted…

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Who did you think he was

Tiger Woods? Or the governor of some state?

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You don’t get enough press for staying loyal these days…that’s for sure.

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That's an excellent point

And I’d love to follow up, but I fear we’d blow up the thread with politics. So, I’ll just say:

Well said sir.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

Welcome to FTF :-)

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I suspect he pulled his hamstring, as he limped off the ice after involuntarily doing the splits. It is the hamstring that would be injured as a result of such a maneuver, yeah? I’m medically disinclined.

by OtherKid on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

WTC Update

Looks like Greiss is in net. Which makes me kinda sad, as I was hoping he would get the start against Detroit. Nothing against Nabby, but he’s been abysmal in his career against the Wings. Might as well see what the kid can do against them.

Ah well.

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

My prediction was correct then. I’m ok with Greiss-Nabby-dayoff-Nabby, since Nabby seems to play better with less time off (if he’s in net tonight, he’d have 2 full days off before going against Miller). But that’s just me.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10
"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Manny did not skate with the team this morning in pregame skate, looks like Helminen will be playing tonight.

by sharkzfanz on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

The David Pollak equivalent at the Columbus Dispatch seems to believe Todd Richards is our head coach, and even goes so far as to quote him several times in his latest blog entry. Fail!

by OtherKid on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The more I think about it

The more the last nine games and the shot differential worries me.

@LA W 5-1
ANA W 3-1
BUF W 5-2
CHI OTL 3-4
MIN W 5-2
DET L 2-4
@STL W 4-2
@NSH W 4-3
@TOR W 3-2

The Chicago and Detroit games were absolute stinkers against quality competion. The LA and Buffalo games were solid, fairly complete wins against good teams that came out and laid eggs against us like we did against Chicago and Detroit.

Anaheim, Minnesota, St. Louis and Toronto had no business playing as closely with us as they did for portions of those wins. We pulled them all out, but we didn’t really go out and play like the best in the league against also rans.

Nashville was a gutsy win that, again, probably shouldn’t have been so close, but the team showed some character in fighting back.

Absent the wins against LA and Buffalo, I find it real hard to think back to any of these games and think that the team played a “complete” game. The level of competition was fairly middling, and against the teams that mattered (DET, CHI, LA, BUF) we were 2-2.

Winning masks a lot of things for sure. But the Sharks are a frontrunner. They’re on top of the league, which means only about half of their games are against teams they’re likely to see in the spring.

We’ve all seen this before. The sky isn’t falling or anything. I’m just not content to believe this is the team to beat until they demonstrate they have another level.

A team that struggles to beat the Toronto Maple Leafs, trades or no trades, road trip or no road trip, injuries or no injuries, has to take a very long and hard look at itself in the mirror before it pronounces everything in the locker room AOK.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, if you look back at the entire season thus far, by and large we haven’t really done well in any “big” statement games, with the exception of the Eastern Conference behemoths in PIT, WAS, and BUF. And, let’s be honest, those games don’t really matter all that much. We’ve struggled in all “big” Western Conference games for the most part, particularly against LA, CHI, and DET.

 I’m with Elvis-I’m worried by this, and also concerned about all the narrow wins against subpar teams. Yeah, the old mantra that the mediocre or struggling teams always bring their A-game against us is going to be true some of the time, but there’s no way that’s been the case for every ugly win we’ve eeked out against such teams so often this season.

I also want to see them pick up their game and prove once and for all that they deserve to be the WC points leader.

by OtherKid on Feb 10, 2010 12:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

How many of those games were without Boyle?

How many without Vlassic?

Boyle drives a ton of offense for us, Pickle helps us get it out of our zone and break the opposing teams’ cycle.

I’m not saying I’m exactly pleased by being outshot in those 9 games, but there needs to be some perspective. Also, I’m curious how much of the time in these games we’ve been ahead, teams tend to put up more shots when they’re trying to get back into a game.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It's fair to say

With Vlasic in the lineup, we’d have fewer shots against.

But our forward crop has been relatively healthy. In a game like Toronto, there’s no reason they should be outshooting or outskating us.

Our problems on D have just as much to do with backchecking as a lack of a Jan Hejda or whoever else we might trade for.

This particular stretch of 9 games is nice in that we did it without Boyle and Vlasic for the most part, but the overall trend is not terribly different from other stretches of this season.

The sky isn’t falling, and the team HAS won 7 of 9 without essentially 50 of it’s regular 120 minutes of D in Vlasic and Boyle.

But in this stretch of 9 games, I basically have not seen a Stanley Cup winner. For stretches lasting longer than 2-3 games this season, I’m not sure I have.

It’s one thing to beat Calgary 9-1. It’s another thing to keep up THAT level of play.

Maybe the team has it. I don’t know.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at it in a different way

Against Toronto.

Jody Shelley pretty much cleans Colton Orr’s clock. Toronto scores soon after.

Later in the game, Toronto is pressing. Dany Heatley runs a bit of goaltender interference that isn’t called. Giguere is almost immediately talking to a ref about it.

A scant few shifts later, Dion Phaneuf RUNS Jody Shelley on a clearly missed boarding call. Jody is cut open and doesn’t take too kindly to the hit. He stands up for himself. He’s assessed a minor.

No one on the bench seemed to react to this. No one on the ice reacted to it. Toronto scored barely 30 seconds in to their power play.

We won that game, yes. But one of our guys was basically bleeding on the ice and no one got upset. Dion Phaneuf was untouched the rest of the night.

Granted, we were probably trying to win, but making Dion pay for that hit is not outside of winning the game. No one dumped the puck in on him and them went after him (which you on occasion have to do in this league to win).

That is a SOFT response to a dirty hit. I don’t care if you’re travelling, I don’t care if the Leafs suck, I don’t care if it’s usually Shelley’s job to do the standing up in a situation like that. There was a dirty play that put one of OUR guys in harms way. And basically, the response was to give up a goal.

I see things like that, and I’m very skeptical about this team making any kind of noise down the road, not unless there is a serious attitude shift. There are plenty of guys on this team who care. They have shown it at various times. A ton of guys have dropped the gloves or made big plays. It’s rare that EVERYONE is going all at the same time.

People have criticized Joe for floating in some games. He has. But for a majority of games, he’s also carried this team offensively, on nights where basically only the top line came to play and the bottom 3 were mostly ineffective.

We need more nights where all four lines, even if they aren’t putting points up, are at least contributing emotionally.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Love Clowe or hate him, but to me he stands out as one of the best players at sticking up for teammates. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen him drop the gloves or bring the ruckuss to an opposing player after a teammate is roughed up. We need to see that out of more of the team.

by OtherKid on Feb 10, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The team is full of those guys

Clowe, Nichol, Malhotra, Angry Joe (we’d like to see more of him), Leach, Murray.

I just wish any ONE of them had taken down a number, made a note and done something.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, I’m curious how much of the time in these games we’ve been ahead, teams tend to put up more shots when they’re trying to get back into a game.

We were outshot in the first period of each of those 9 games save two – against Detroit and Los Angeles. In those games, we outshot them in the first period, but they came back to outshoot us in the second and third.

We also gave up the first goal in 5 of the 9 games – the exceptions were L.A., Anaheim, St. Louis, and Detroit.

Fear the Fin: "C'mon Drew, we're going streaking!" - Randy Hahn, 12/31/09
"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10
"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So wait, we’re going to look hard at games we lost to good opponents, but throw out games we worked over good opponents because they clearly weren’t playing up to their true level? That’s cherry picking at its finest. The Chicago game, even though we lost in OT, was a pretty encouraging rebound after being down 3-0 early, against a team that had been humiliating us. The Detroit game wasn’t pretty, but we didn’t have Boyle, and Detroit had a ridiculous edge in ref bias. We may have still lost, but it probably wouldn’t have looked so lopsided, if anything. But LA is supposedly a team we have had “tons of trouble with this season” and we waxed them. Buffalo has the best goaltender in the league this year, and we put up 5 on him. Why would we overlook those?

The games against the other teams were close, yeah. But that’s hockey! Games are going to be close. Good goaltending, or a flat start, or an amped up team who’s on a roll can change things dramatically. And the Sharks, every single time, found a way to win.

When we get to the playoffs, it’s not going to matter how many media created “statement games” we won or lost. It’s not going to matter if we blew out Calgary 9-1 or lost to LA 6-2. The playoffs are a completely different game. The Sharks have shown the ability this season to win in all kinds of different ways. They’ve won big, they’ve won ugly, they’ve won with their goaltender, they’ve won coming from behind, they’ve beat good teams…I mean, that, more than anything, gives me confidence in this team to be able to handle the postseason, and anything that gets thrown its way. Does that mean they win it all? Not necessarily. How many people saw Pitt winning it all last year? Were they winning statement games in January and February? Were they destroying teams 9-1 every night? No, but they still managed to get the job done, and played well in the postseason.

The Sharks have a roster compiled that can compete with anyone. So do a lotta other teams. Just a matter of who has who’s number, who gets hot, and who gets lucky in the postseason…as it is every year.

"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott

by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Very good perspective-I didn’t even look at it that way. We’ve definitely pulled out a win in a variety of different ways, and that’s encouraging for sure.

by OtherKid on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope it doesn't sound too cherry picking

LA and Buffalo were big games. The Chicago game might be a moral victory, but I’m more concerned with the fact that, for a game we KNEW was going to be big, without the media making a big deal of it, we came out flat. Giving up goals in bunches too. Detroit was a bad night for the refs, and a worse night for us. But that always seems to happen. In the case of those two games, I’m more troubled by a “more of the same” deal than trying to break anything else down.

Someone said after the Chicago loss “Oh well, just another meaningless regular season loss. Time to move on.” That’s fine. But it sortuv applies to the wins too. Again, BECAUSE we’re a frontrunner, we’re going to win a lot of games. It’s gotten to the point for me where, if you win a game against the Blues, or the Wild, it’s very much “Oh well, just another meaningless regular season win.” It’s hard to get enthusiastic about them because, well, dead horses and playoffs and yadda yadda yadda.

Our team is 7-1-1 in it’s last nine. That’s freaking amazing, especially considering the injuries on the blue line.

Do I see a 7-2 stretch like this happening in the playoffs just yet? Absolutely not. Especially not with the stretches of play this team has gone through DURING that stretch. I don’t see us getting outshot in 9 straight playoff games and winning 7 of them. And, if you have to play the same team more than once, I don’t see us playing a game like in Chicago, where you dig yourself a hole, and then have to climb out of it, only to come up short in sudden death OT, to be conducive to then winning more games than the other guys over the rest of the series.

Again, I think we’ve seen these Sharks before. Month of March 2008 after the Brian Campbell trade anyone? How about the spring run the year of the Thornton trade to just MAKE the playoffs. Yes, this is a different team, but absent more dominating performances and more consistent effort levels, I’m skeptical.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun stat

The Ducks were outshot in 13 strait playoff games last year.

Just saying.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t they only play 13 playoff games?

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by mymclife on Feb 10, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

true, but they kicked our asses and nearly beat Detroit.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

True statement

Against us, you can argue quality of shots. We had zero net presence against Hiller. It worked against us. Less so against Detroit because you can’t give Holmstrom that kind of space and not expect to pay somewhere down the line.

They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn

by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think that the Ducks lost that series because Getzlaf had the flu in the middle of it. When he was healthy that series was tight.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, what could have been

That team could probably have beaten Chicago too. Pittsburgh? I dunno. Fun food for thought.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m fairly sure they were massively out-shot most of their 2003 post season as well, and made it to game 7 of the SCF.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't remember that team as well.

But that seems to jive with Giggy winning the Conn Smythe. That team was a true underdog.

WE are not, which is why the shot differential worries me.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It was all Giggy that year, I was reading about it on the BattleofCali blog. Sleek is reminiscing.

Still, if you look at games like LA and some of those others in there, we were doing what the Ducks did to us last year. Give up lots of unscreened shots from a distance and punish you around the net.

The shot totals look bad, but I’m curious what the scoring chances looked like.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So an underdog getting outshot and still winning is ok, but a frontrunner getting outshot and still winning is not? I don’t mean to press the issue too much, but it seems like a double standard. Either way, good goaltending is needed to win these games.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I oversimplify on occasion

Some teams are built to give up more shots. One would argue a team like the trap-era Devils were built to bend but not break, surrendering high shot totals then killing you in transition. This year’s Coyotes are probably a better example as they live and die by Bryzgalov.

I don’t think we’re built to be that team. We have a relatively undersized D-corp, and I don’t think our game is best served by allowing the other team scads of zone time and surrendering high shot totals. We’re a puck possession team supposedly. THAT is why the shot differential for us as a front runner worries me. It’s not what we are supposed to do.

Thankfully, we’re winning. Hopefully, winning doesn’t mask a deeper problem.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

To be a puck possession team, the Sharks would have to work on their passing and also not turning the puck over. I’d contend that this team is a skill team that can score from anywhere, at any time, completely out of the blue. Sometimes that doesn’t lead to high possession time. I’d say we’re something like the Colts. They had a game this year against Miami where they had the ball for less than 1/3 of the game, and still won…because they can score from anywhere.

Now, the Colts lost in the Super Bowl, but at least they got there! The high shot totals don’t worry me as much. Nabby seems to get into more of a groove when he sees a few more shots. The shots we’re giving up are ok shots to be giving up…nothing too terribly difficult. Forcing bad shots its going to be key in the playoffs.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

To be a puck possession team, the Sharks would have to work on their passing and also not turning the puck over.

This is the other thing that worries me, and I’ve failed to mention it today, although I’ve harped on it in GDTs.

In the post season, turnovers are nearly always fatal (at least for us it seems).

Passing has just not been crisp all season. We’ve made the Globetrotter joke about the PP very often, but it’s not the passes that worry me. It’s the pass then the HOLDING of the puck for 2 seconds before passing again. Quick passes are great, they turn the D and make the goaltender commit one way and lead to a lot of tap ins.

Nabby is indeed our Nabby, and he’s keeping his team in games, which is what a Vezina winner should do.

I do like our quick strike capability. It just makes for a lot of nail biting, because you never like to give the other team the puck that often.

Whether or not WE are a puck possession team, DET and CHI are, and that matchup will worry me, because they don’t surrender the puck nearly as much as we do. Heck, even Vancouver, if the Sedins get hot again, could be a concern. I don’t like playing INTO other team’s strength. It’s a bad way to dictate the tempo of a game.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The Sharks’ passing drives me NUTS! I mean, once they have the zone, they’re pretty good at keeping the puck moving. But going through the neutral zone and advancing on the rush…the teams that have the most success are the ones who can go tape-tape-tape-tape without thinking about it, with one touch, etc. The Sharks are usually something like tape-skate-3 feet behind the guy-skate for a while…and its frusterating. The Sharks have never really been a good passing while skating team, though. Maybe thats one reason why they’ve never had much postseason success?

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I kind of agree, but the lack of consistency just scares me. It’s annoying that no matter who we’re playing, i can never really say to myself “ohhh shit, we’re gonna destroy these guys. I can’t wait to see how many goals we score.”

And Detroit really has had our number all season long, we can’t seem to get any real offense going against them for some reason. Yeah we had some injuries last game against them but Detroit has had injuries all season long and they’ve whooped us all season long. I’m actually not that worried about Chicago, although i can’t really put into words why, I just think we can beat them assuming Nabby plays as well as he has been.

by Khaaz on Feb 10, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think we’ll see Chicago in the playoffs personally, unless they do something about their goaltending. Huet and Niemi aren’t going to carry them (well, maybe Niemi) to the WCF.

Assuming we even make it that far, considering the trend in this thread.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick aside about Chicago

Why do Huet and Niemi have to carry the ‘hawks? Isn’t it entirely more likely that Keith-Seabrook and their ridiculously deep forward crop will carry Huet and Niemi to the WCF?

And we should always look ahead. I still want this team to prove me to be an arrogant blowhard. No reason we can’t crush LA, crush Detroit and crush Chicago. I just haven’t seen us do it (at least DET and CHI, LA I think we’re fine against. I’m not afraid of them anymore).

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Detroit and Chicago are currently the only western teams that really scare me, mostly Detroit, just because I have no idea how we’d beat them. I’ve never seen any reason to think we can in my years as a Sharks fan (post the Irbe era).

Chicago reminds me of us last year. Nabby was weak in goal and we had a solid defense and put up tons of points. That all came crashing down against the Ducks, and I can see Vancouver or Phoenix doing that to them. Last year they only beat Vancouver because Luongo had his worst playoff series ever.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The Chicago 2010-San Jose 2009 comparison seems to me to be pretty apt. San Jose finished last season 3rd in GA…Chicago is currently 2nd. Neither team was close to the lead in GF (although Chicago is 3rd right now in GF, they’re just a ways behind us, and way way way behind Chicago). And then their goaltending is a huge question mark.

Teams in the playoffs will figure out a way to get the puck to the net…even against the best defenses. That’s why goaltending is so important in the playoffs. Of course, Huet could get hot and make us all look like jackasses. You never know.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

When were not making stupid, ridiculous mistakes against Chicago were doing great. The last game against them you can say that the team was rusty after a long break and didn’t show up ready to play until they had scored 3 goals. After that though, we dominated the game. We only ended up losing because Demers fell at a critical moment (like he has a few times against Chicago).

by Khaaz on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

From the Sharks website
RECORD
Evgeni Nabokov extended his road winning streak to ten games with the 3-2 victory at Toronto on Monday night. That ties the NHL record for the longest single-season road winning streak by a goaltender, though it’s a mark that he already shared. Nabokov won ten consecutive road decisions for the Sharks in 2007-08, matching the record established by Boston’s Gerry Cheevers in 1971-72 and matched by Detroit’s Chris Osgood in 2005-06.

So tomorrow could very well be…. wait, I can’t say it. Jinx alert.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Legen-

-wait for it…

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope you’re not lactose intolerant because the second half of that word is dairy

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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"Say whatever the fuck you want!" - Danny Miller, 1/9/10
"SJ is hella far away from Carolina." - ZeroIndulgence, 2/2/10
"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate to tell PETA this but

being able to digest lactose was a life saving adaptation for the Europeans from which I suspect many of their current members are descended.

Plus, cheese is TASTY. Vegan cheese is not. At all.

mmmmmm cheeseeeee…..mmmmmm

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by CTGray on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Extra Sharp Chedder is delicious.

Also, you should probably not point out that humans have evolved incisors and canines specifically for ripping and tearing meat. If we were designed for only vegetables we would have more molars.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

As a two-time vegetarian and animal lover

I hate PETA. They are as loathsome to me as the Westboro Baptists, or Neo-Nazis — an organization of people who join together in hate and force their propaganda down the throats of anyone unfortunate enough to get within earshot.

I mean, I can get behind a lot of the things they try to promote, but so many of them are either off-target or promoted so poorly by PETA that the most impact they have is to damage the reputation of the causes and organizations they work with.

I think they’ve done more harm to humanity, and to the animals they claim to defend, than any other present-day group has; and yes, that includes the commercial meat industry.

by xarexerax on Feb 10, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode about Peta is fantastic.

It focuses a lot on their protests of putting down animals, some on supporting terrorist activities, and ends with pointing out that Peta puts down more animals a year than it rescues, while simultaneously protesting animal shelters for doing the same thing.

Also, their leader is an idiot.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAt1z_TgPQ4

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I should probably append this

To note that I’m not talking about average, everyday people who happen to be members of PETA. I’m talking about those in charge of the organization, and many of the celeb-happy events / charities / advertisements they sponsor.

I have no problem with people who are intelligent and able to discuss reasons for their beliefs; pedantic “but puppies are cute! how can you eat a chicken?” BS is just too much for me.

by xarexerax on Feb 10, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

There was this girl in my high school who belonged to PETA, and man was she crazy. She stuck stickers supporting the cause everywhere, berated anyone who ate meat, and called the science teachers who required dissections, “murderers” (behind their backs, of course). She definitely did not help the organization’s image; it was more of a perpetuating the stereotype situation.

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by mymclife on Feb 10, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I’m apparently too dense to realize a PETA add when I see it (or post a pic of it). Glad it inspired a feisty anti-PETA conversation.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Good job!

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to worry K

We all know you’re more about NAMBLA and pedo than you are about PETA

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahem.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember the night when you found out what NAMBLA meant? Well, actually, you probably don’t. Ahhh, good times.

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by mymclife on Feb 10, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

I remember rereading the thread – poor idunno723. Probably scarred him for life.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean, AMBLA, right? But yeah, his life probably changed after that night in a not-so-good way.

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by mymclife on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think everyone's life

changed that night, in one way or another.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Were you around then, lurking in the shadows?

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"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was a lurker at that point

But the references to it were fairly immediate.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah

Off topic – AverageJoe from SLGT asked if I would reenact Cinco de Mayo this year. I told him that would feel forced ;-)

Also off topic – in teaching a unit on Mexico to my third graders, I began to write “Cinco de Mayo” on the board… give you one guess as to how I misspelled it. :-D

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

What you should have told him

Is that you’d consider it if he covered your bar tab.

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by ElvisVF101 on Feb 10, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Another off topic

I spent Super Bowl Sunday at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, where Buffalo chicken wings (as they call them) were invented. I had three beers over the course of the evening, and expected about a $15 tab on that alone. When I got the bill, $6 was missing.

Three dollar pints – non-happy hour. AWESOME.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

/wiki’s that/

OMG.

Best. Post. Ever.

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"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

wha?

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You'll have to go to the Cinco de Mayo Thread

Link. Too glorious to explain.

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll try my hand it.

Coinco (Mr. K at the time) got really drunk and started posting on FTF. Hilariousness ensued.

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by mymclife on Feb 10, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And

He was at school. Where they pay him. To work. And he Googled “nambla”.

by Section223 on Feb 10, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe this to be my last FTF comment bye everyone.

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by idunno723 on Feb 10, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, the guy in the picture is an English comedian/Racist

Called Bernard Manning. Hence White Stuff/Intolerance reference!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Manning

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by Morti on Feb 10, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the background – I knew there was something I was missing!

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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was John Goodman for some reason.

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by Evilducks on Feb 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

There has to be a connection

It’s too uncanny.

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"Have fun tonight, guys." - Dany Heatley, 2/6/10

by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Nike Modano's being pushed on whoever wants him

/pees pants

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

Mike Modano, too.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone listening to KFOX?

Dan just mentioned that the Sharks have been outshot 9 straight games – in case anyone doubted me ;-)

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