Trade Targets: Ryane Clowe and The Nashville Predators
On The Forecheck asked me to do a piece on the availability of Ryane Clowe. Here's a copy of the dialogue, along with a breakdown of whether or not the Predators would be a good fit for San Jose in the event Doug Wilson pursues a trade with them.
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Ryane Clowe signed a four year $3.65 M per year contract this past offseason, and with the salary cap constraints the Sharks are dealing with currently, he's the most likely trade target if Doug Wilson is looking to make a big splash before the trade deadline. The rest of the potentials assets in San Jose make too little under the cap (Setoguchi, Pavelski) to expect much of a return in a one-for-one deal.
Clowe's skillset is across the board-- last season he was a power play specialist, notching half his goals with the man advantage, while this season he has improved his even strength numbers greatly. He's been criticized for not using his big body to park himself in front of the net enough, and while that is still an issue, he is an asset on the low cycle when he protects the puck, possesses a fair amount of vision, and has an above average set of hands in the passing game. Skating ability is decidedly below average, and it is frustrating when he carries the puck on the rush-- after entering the zone, he'll pull up above the circles and wait to hit a trailer driving to the net across the zone. More often than not it will result in a turnover or a broken play.
Clowe isn't perfect, but on a team like Nashville, he would see top-six minutes and a healthy amount of power play time. Will not kill penalties, and unlike former-Shark Milan Michalek, there will never be potential for him to begin to. I wouldn't call him porous defensively, but there is little to no upside to making a move for him if you are expecting a player who is able to play a strong two-way game. I'm not accusing him of floating or ignoring his defensive responsibilities, but I am saying that he will never be able to make a significant difference defensively.
Manny Malhotra has currently replaced him on the second line, bumping Clowe down to third line minutes with Jed Ortmeyer and Scott Nichol on the Sharks checking line. On a side note, I hate saying a word ("line" in this instance) three times in one sentence. It bugs me to no end.
The Sharks are looking for a solid defensive defenseman as they head into the stretch run, and by giving up on Clowe they would be acknowledging that they have the confidence in Manny Malhotra to play top-six minutes, as well as having the confidence in Jamie McGinn to fill his spot on the third line. It deprives the Sharks of a big body in their lineup, but since Clowe has failed to consistently provide the team with an effective presence in front of the opposing goaltender, it may not end up hurting them all too much in the long run. Regardless, it is a point that is worth making.
The Predators possess a nice crop of young defensemen Doug Wilson would likely be interested in, with Shea Weber, Cody Franson, and Ryan Suter being the three who would be in the talks.
Franson's injury today, along with his unproven experience, make him a non-starter in a year the Sharks are expected to make a run for the Stanley Cup. Wilson would not move Clowe for that piece, nor would I, unless the salary saved would allow him to bring in a forward like the Carolina Hurricanes Ray Whitney without depleting the NHL roster further. However, now we're just fantasy chaining. Rule that one out.
Weber and Suter are likely non-starters for Nashville, especially in a one-for-one deal. I have no idea what interest Doug Wilson has in either of these players, but I will offer my opinion.
The fact of the matter is that you can build a team around both Suter and Weber-- they are both young, premier defenseman, and ones who can make an immediate impact on the roster. You cannot build a team around Ryane Clowe. With the Predators currently in the hunt for a playoff spot they are definitely not in a sell-mode, and moving either of these two blueliners immediately opens up a hole in the defense-first system Barry Trotz has historically liked to run. The likelihood of this happening is nearly zero, unless Nashville would be interested in prospects and high draft picks being thrown into the mix with Clowe. But, as I mentioned earlier, the Preds are in a hunt for a playoff spot, and generating revenues from a playoff game is a huge plus for a team in a market such as Nashville. It's an opportunity they will not give up.
I won't bother to make an offer because of these facts, and highly doubt the Sharks and Predators will be dance partners before March 3rd.
Go Sharks.
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Huh? I don’t think that the Sharks and Preds will make a deal this season.
If you’re wondering what I would give up to get Suter or Weber, it would be Clowe, Ferriero, Joslin, and a first round draft pick. Nashville would never go for that in a year that they need to get ticket revenue from playoff games, so I didn’t even bother putting it in the article.
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I’d even toss in Setoguchi to replace the draft pick and the prospects, but that’s something I would pursue in the offseason so you could replenish your top six via free agency and/or trade. Moving Gooch and Clowe together this season makes no sense unless you get a top-six guy back, because as much as I like McGinn, it’s a risk to expect him to play top six minutes right now, especially when you are already slightly gambling with Malhotra playing on the second line.
That’s two forwards in your top six that probably wouldn’t get those minutes on premier Stanley Cup contenders across the league.
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On The Forecheck asked me to do a piece on the availability of Ryane Clowe.
I won’t bother to make an offer because of these facts, and highly doubt the Sharks and Predators will be dance partners before March 3rd.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
Speculation time.
Perhaps Clowe was bumped to the third line for the Malhotra-Pavelski-Setoguchi line can get some chemistry blah blah blah, because he’ll be moved for a defenseman.
Mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe. And if a trade occurs I’d think Clowe is the most expendable option.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
I agree...
That there is zero chance that the Sharks deal Clowe to the Preds during the season. I also think it’s pretty unlikely that that DW deals a substantial roster player before the deadline. He has, in my memory, never done that. History would tend to support the belief that he doesn’t like to shake up his roster substantially before the playoffs. I think if you asked DW if he was going to trade (insert players name) he would say, “we are counting him to play his best in the playoffs.” If anybody, I’d speculate Shelley is jettisoned bc of his salary.
I miss the Jack Daniels shot of the night and the San Jose Sharks drinking game. But I do not miss Marty McSorely.
Clowe good for Flames?
As they continue their makeover, wouldn’t they want a guy like Clowe who can score and hit well on a team like that…? They definitely have a couple D’s we wouldn’t mind on that team and Clowe’s 3.7M contract for a 3rd liner is depressing…Ideas Mr. Plank on that and the rest of you? :O
Go Sharks!
You just had to ask...
Only if Regehr comes back. We probably have to add something.
by IsThisTheYear? on Feb 3, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Regehr Info.
His salary is 2.5M from what I saw…him for Shelley and Huskins…but I doubt they’d take that so make it Clowe and Shelley.
Go Sharks!
I did a piece on the availability of Regehr last season.
As much as I would love having him on the team, it’s about as likely as me scoring a date this weekend (read: zero).
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Sorry for double post!
But…moving Goochi and Shelley for Whitney would be amazing if you move Clowe + Huskins for a Calgary D, you got Thornton, Marleau, Heater, Pavs, Whitney, and Malhotra (small gamble) on top 6 with McGinn as solid 3rd line, Mitchell with Couture and maybe Vesce or Couture on 4th? The D will have Blake/Vlasic, Boyle/New D, Leach or Demers/Murray…and I don’t know if Greiss is a reliable back-up but we might have to just deal with him. (Biron is extra in NYI if you guys need him for Greiss and Staubtiz…but that might be quite a bit of money) Feedback?
Go Sharks!
Post updated with brief note on Dan Hamhuis.
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