Niclas Wallin Rumored To Be Headed To San Jose
by Mr. Plank on Feb 3, 2010 4:30 PM PST
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Print[Update]: David Pollak of Working The Corners left a note in the comments of his most recent article:
Just reached Doug Wilson to check out that report on a deal for Niclas Wallin.
“There is nothing new on the trade front,” the Sharks general manager said, and I got the sense nothing was imminent either (let’s say the next 24 hours or so).
Wilson, we all know, won’t talk about specific players until all the signatures are on the paperwork. But he’s aware of the TSN report and what you see in the preceding graph is his response. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Per Darren Dreger of TSN:
Another trade is close. Canes working on sending Walling to SJ. Wallin won't play in Calgary tonight.
It's too early to call this one either way as there is no indication of who the Sharks will be giving up in the deal. As we mentioned earlier this week Darren Dreger is a trustworthy source for rumors, and while I wouldn't go as far to say that this is as good as done, it's about as close as you can get.
The 34 year old makes $1.725 M under the salary cap, and is set to hit free agency next year.
Wallin does see a lot of defensive zone draws with Carolina, as well as playing against some of the better competition opposing teams have to offer. There is some value here depending on what is being given up, but he is not the bona-fide defensive defenseman that San Jose would like to plug in heavy minutes.
Doug Wilson is doing one of three things with this deal-- a) clearing salary by sending a roster player to Carolina in order to make another move b) bolstering the depth of San Jose's backend or c) receiving another player in the deal that Dreger has not yet reported.
The only roster player who makes sense in a one-for-one roster player deal for San Jose is Kent Huskins, as he will allow the Sharks to get under the salary cap. I am not sure why Carolina would pursue this deal unless a prospect/pick is included, but it does allow the Sharks more space next offseason to pursue the free agency market. That is a plus.
San Jose may get a little better with a trade for Wallin, but are not significantly more dangerous than they were yesterday. Wallin on his own does not answer the blueline question that has been posed since the beginning of this season.
Alongside that, as has been thrown around in the comments, you have to wonder how injured Vlasic is at this point. This author believes Vlasic sustained a left knee injury against the Chicago Blackhawks, and the lack of news on the subject is beginning to sound like Doug Wilson is keeping his cards close to his vest in order to keep himself in a position of power when pursuing trade options. Speculation of course, but it is something to keep your eye on.
More to come. Hold on to your butts.
Go Sharks.
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I love gossip! Trading a D for a D. My money is on Huskins being the one traded off.
"I know they were just kids...but man we beat the f*#k out of them!" ~Dogma
I doubt it. I can’t see why anyone would want him. I mean, I hope its him, but I really doubt someone would take him on at this point…
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 3, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I know right? He’s not an atrocious player by any means, but that contract vs. production value is steep, especially for a team like Carolina who generally won’t spend to the cap.
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Exactly.
The only way I see Huskins being the salary piece going back is if we gave up something worthwhile as well in terms of draft picks or minor league guys.
Either way, though, I think the team actually really likes Huskins for some reason (he has yet to be a healthy scratch, despite his shortcomings), and don’t see them moving him.
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 3, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh the suspense...
It’s gonna be an interesting month.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
I don't see why either team would do this.
I don’t think this makes sense unless DW unloads a bigger contract…
"It's not so much me as it's Roenick."
i guess i was very wrong
Smells like its gonna be a 4th rounder and Huskins for him, but we still need one more good defenseman
According to Cap Central...
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CAR
Wallin’s cap number is $1.725m
Huskin’s is $1.7m
So a Huskins-for-Wallin trade would push us closer to the cap, right?
"It's not so much me as it's Roenick."
Correct, but with the money saved through the Worcester Shuttle, i think we’d still fit.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Okay newbie question
How does the salary-vs-cap-hit thing work? Why is Huskins a 1.7M cap hit @ 1.5M salary?
I’m sure this has something to do with prorated somethingorother, but again, I’m a newbie to all this gobbledygook. (ha, awesome, my spell checker things “gobbledygook” is a word!)
The cap hit is the salary averaged out over the course of the contract.
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Cap number
= the average salary over the length of the contract.
So, if you’re contract is structured to give you $3 million dollars for each of the next 3 years, and $4 million for the fourth year, your cap number is (3+3+3+4)/4 = 3.25.
"It's not so much me as it's Roenick."
Salary can change year to year, but the cap hit is the average over the term. So say a guy gets paid $2 in year 1, $2 in year 2, $4 in year 3 and $4 in year 4, the cap hit would be $3.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Another thing
Huskin’s salary is 1.7M
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
For this season...
It puts us .025 closer for this season, but Wallin’s deal ends at the end of the year. Huskins has another year to go. The salary relief comes this summer when we need the cash.
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Thank you for reconfirming why you’re awesome. I use that Jurassic Park line all. the. time and always end up w/ weird looks and having to explain where it’s from – even then, the weird looks don’t always go away. Pure awesomeness.
Wallin is #6 on a dubious list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhB7IHl3sH8&NR=1
"It's not so much me as it's Roenick."
As long as we do not give away Logan Couture in any deal, I will be happy.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 3, 2010 5:51 PM PST reply actions
Then it’s a given that you’ll be happy if this trade goes through…
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
Probably.
I am pretty much just against giving up big name prospects. Ever since we gave up Bonino and Pelemier to the Ducks, I have wanted DW to not be as trigger happy with prospects.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 3, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Especially when it was for guys like Moen and Huskins.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 3, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
I have a hard time seeing Couture going anywhere after the season he’s had, and especially now with the shoulder injury.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I was probably overreacting, but like I said, I do not want DW becoming trigger happy with prospects/young guys for a piece like Wallin.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 3, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Questions on Wallin?
We’re starting a game vs Calgary in a few at Canes Country. If you want to ask questions about Wallin, come on over. We’re a very friendly group and Wallin is well-liked. Do drop in!
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by Carolyn Christians on Feb 3, 2010 5:55 PM PST reply actions
Yeah.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
thanks
i just checked myself and it’s 3 goal, 5 assists in 69 games.
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
If he comes to San Jose he is instantly a playoff choker for not putting up Malkin like numbers in the playoffs.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that’s what I’ve heard, but how did he look last year in the playoffs?
2 of those goals he had were in ‘01 and the other one game in ’05, last year he didn’t have any points in the playoffs. Now, I know that doesn’t tell the whole story, which is why I’m asking.
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
He’s reliable, not spectacular. Blocking shots and big hits along the boards. Not a puck handler – but makes a great pairing with one. As humble a guy as you could imagine – exactly opposite to a prima donna. Low maintenance.
The most memorable story on Wallin last year was he blessed Tim Gleason’s stick prior to game 2 in our series in NJD. Gleason got the OT GWG, first goal of the season. Not sure how he “blessed” it, but the story was apparently not suitable for a family audience according to the players.
He doesn’t panic, he’s steady. Boring – but that’s not a bad thing for a D-man.
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by Carolyn Christians on Feb 3, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
sounds like he’s the kind you don’t hear much about because he’s doing his job and not making mistakes, that sound about right?
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
He can beat by a really speedy forward, but overall, steady.
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by Carolyn Christians on Feb 3, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
All hearsay but twitter and FB rumor spreaders point to Shelley, not Huskins. I have no idea where people get their info, though, so take that with a very large grain of salt.
I won’t believe any proposed trade until a deal is done.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
Shelley seems like a long shot,
but I wouldn’t be opposed if that went through…
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after an 87 second hockey fight against Cam Janssen
Salary wouldn’t work… wonder how that’s gonna happen.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
If Carolina wants to go that route it makes no sense. Has to be a draft pick in the first two rounds included (making the deal essentially Wallin for a second from a Canes perspective) otherwise I have no idea why they pull the trigger.
I don’t understand this deal at all.
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by Mr. Plank on Feb 3, 2010 6:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said
I have no idea where this came from, just tossing out what I saw. It’s probably from eklund or someting. E5.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
We want no one over the age of 25 – and they say we really want only picks and prospects. This is a total re-build year for Rutherford.
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by Carolyn Christians on Feb 3, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
The guy who writes prospect articles on Sharkspage (and is actually a hockey scout in real life), Max Giese, mentioned on HFBoards that Carolina is somewhat enamored with Joslin. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if we saw something like Joslin+Shelly for Wallin.
I like Joslin also
I think he will be a top 4 D in two+ years.
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Sometimes I feel I’m the only who thinks Husky is okay. He’s not terrible and I’m not trying to say he hasn’t made mistakes, but he’s improved A LOT. He and Demers seem to work well together, too.
I haven’t paid attention to Wallin but if he and Huskins play the same, I’d rather keep Husky. No offense meant to the Carolina fans at all, you’ve said Wallin is a good player for you guys.
I can’t believe I’d rather keep the former Duck though. ><
/goes back to lurking as usual
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i agree
honestly, i love to rag on Huskins, i may talk shit about him a lot (someone had to fill the void when Ehrhoff left, who else am I gonna yell and curse at?), but he has improved.
i don’t see Wallin as being that big of an upgrade over huskins and would rather stay with the known quantity or try to make a deal for a bigger player.
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Feedback.
I finally became un-lazy enough to join Fear the fin since I read it a lot :D
Anyway, I think getting rid of Shelley and Huskins would be good freeing up space for perhaps another move for DW. Seems like not that bad of an idea. I would prefer the Sharks Regehr for example though :)
Again: I would LOVE that
but there’s no way it’d happen.
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
We can always hope :)
Did anyone expect Boyle here for Carle+ some other junk? Nope, but yet he is here…just keep hoping =)
Go Sharks!
A 1st+Wishart is not junk. That’s a decent top 4 dman plus basically two first round picks. The Sharks should not be giving up firsts under any circumstances after going two years without one.
He played with the Lightning for a few games (then again, what defenseman didn’t?), but was mainly down with their farm team. Still in the AHL now.
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From a 'Canes fan...
I agree with most other ‘Canes fan comments. He won’t wow anyone, but he’s steady and makes few mistakes. He’s probably a 3rd pairing kinda guy. The Canes GM probably won’t be looking for more than a 3rd round pick or a prospect.
Then I see no point...
I don’t see a big point to this unless Vlasic is expected gone for a long-ass time
What kind of minutes does he see?
Where can I find an ATOI?
by PNK on Feb 3, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
2/4 Aftonbladet article
Wallin to San Jose: Douglas Murray gets a new Swedish teammate
Translation points: A while back Wallin said “I doubt I will abandon teammates during a difficult season. On the other hand, it would be fun to be part of a playoff race again.” The exchange is believed to be a draft pick. For Murray, it means it will be his first Swedish teammate in years.
Grain of salt.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
I am okay with this deal if we get some futures from SJ. Losing Wallin, frankly, is only a sentimental thing for most fans here in Raleigh. Nicky is a serviceable D-Man…and that’s it. I was hoping for Ray Whitney to be dealt to the Sharks as well. I have kind of adopted SJ as a second team.
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I think a lot of Sharks fans would love to see him finish his career here.
However, I do not know how likely it is he will be sent to the Sharks.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 4, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'd love to see Whitney in Teal again
I thought I’d read that he wanted to go back to Carolina if he opted to waive his NTC. Or if Carolina didnt want him back, he wanted at least a three year deal from whatever team he was traded to.
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