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San Jose Sharks Acquire Defenseman Niclas Wallin From Carolina Hurricanes

After a four day spectacle of initial rumors, speculation on who would be moved, questions surrounding the proceedings, as well as the trade being called off and then back on again, Niclas Wallin is finally a San Jose Shark.

"We wanted to add to our team without subtracting," Doug Wilson told Working The Corners. "We wanted to get the right piece at the right time to be able to integrate and assimilate him into the lineup."

San Jose receives a fifth round draft pick along with the 34 year old defenseman, in exchange for a second round draft selection at the 2010 NHL Entry Draft set to be held in Los Angeles, California. That pick, previously acquired from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for Craig Rivet, was San Jose's only remaining pick in the second round. They now currently hold a first (SJS), a third (SJS), and two fifths (CAR, OTT). Depending on whether the Sharks re-sign Patrick White this offseason, they may receive a compensatory pick from the Vancouver Canucks.

Wallin will likely play on the third pairing in San Jose once the blueline is healthy, paired with Kent Huskins or Jay Leach depending on which route Todd McLellan will want to take on any given night. As we mentioned in our initial article, Wallin brings some value to the team-- he saw a lot of defensive zone draws this year for Carolina and went up against some of the tougher competition on that blueline unit. Although Jay Leach has provided a lot of bang for the buck up to this point in the season, Wallin will be a relative upgrade for a team that has struggled defensively at times throughout the year.

That being said, this is a depth move. It is not a piece that will singlehandedly push the San Jose Sharks over the mountain of May that has plagued them for the last four playoff seasons, and for that reason, I am skeptical of the decision to give up a second round draft pick for his services.

Again, Wallin provides some value. He will be a good asset to the team in terms of depth, and I liken the deal to the one Detroit made in 2008 when they acquired Brad Stuart-- it's not a game changer, but it allows you some room to maneuver once the eventual bumps and bruises make their way around the locker room.

Star-divide

However, a second round pick holds value across the NHL. If the Sharks were looking to make a bigger splash than Wallin, something that I expected considering the level of play provided by the blueline this season, Wilson has now just made more difficult to do so. No longer does he have the bargaining flexibility that a second round draft selection provides, and no longer does he have the cap space to work with either.

According to CapGeek's daily tracker, the Sharks are over the allowable amount (with Setoguchi's and Blake's potential bonuses discluded). According to Doug Wilson, the Sharks are under. At times like these you have to trust that Wilson hasn't made a cap calculation mistake like the one Paul Holmgreen and the Philadelphia Flyers fell into earlier this year-- he's likely got a better hold on the situation, even if the information available to the masses says otherwise. It is, after all, his full-time job.

Regardless, if you thought the Sharks were flirting with the cap ceiling before, they are now joined in holy matrimony.

The Worcester Shuttle is effectively finished for the rest of the year, with Wallin being it's sole byproduct. During the Stanley Cup playoffs there is no salary cap, but until that time Jason Demers, Jamie McGinn, Frazer McLaren etc. will not be spending any substantial time with the big club. The death of the Shuttle is both positive and negative. Concerns with the amount of travel these players were seeing are now moot; this is a positive. Jamie McGinn will not play on the third line and Frazer McLaren will not play on the fourth line; this is a negative.

Wallin will bring some lower end value to the Sharks, but in no way was he the best option out there for a team looking for an upgrade on the blueline; the second round pick was arguably an overpayment, in that you could have parlayed that along with a roster player into a defenseman on this list that would have made a much higher impact on this team. It's puzzling, and seems like a hasty rush to acquire assets, something that Wilson is not known for. This seems like a deal that should happen on March 3rd, when all available options have been pursued and Wallin is judged to be the best fit based off what the Sharks are willing to trade away.

At the end of the day, I think this deal raises more questions than it answers. The timing comes curiously close to Vlasic's injury-- is it more serious than the organization is letting on, forcing DW's hand into making a quick move to shore up the defensive unit? I think you can wait out Carolina, and have them take a third round draft pick for a 34 year old rental that eliminates your remaining cap space. Especially when they are in the process of rebuilding after a disappointing season, and especially when there are numerous players in the NHL who would provide a comparable output. Wilson's earlier quote on adding to the team without subtracting also raises some thoughts-- is this the last we will hear of Doug Wilson before March 3rd?

If history is any indication don't rule anything out.

Until then, "steady", "former Cup winner", and "depth" will be the terms used to describe this move. I think the Sharks are receiving a player who can definitely help during their playoff run, and I'm sure he works out fine on that bottom pairing. But I'll be damned if there aren't very obtainable options out there who would have made a bigger impact on this team.

 

Go Sharks.

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he probably wont do much more than jay leach is.. im not even sure if he is worth a second round pick. But i personally have never seen him play so i hope im wrong.

by briansays on Feb 7, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

I like this move

The Sharks needed some depth and especially needed depth at defenseman.

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by 49er16 on Feb 7, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

Don't like it

But I’m a fan of draft picks

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by Fear the 8 on Feb 7, 2010 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

I like the move, but............

Will DW do any more fine tuning before the trading deadline??? What do all u FTFers think?

by SharksFan91 on Feb 7, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

Neh

This gives me an uneasy weird feeling. I imagine DW as a dentist now. U might feel a little bit of pressure…

by Madhatter on Feb 7, 2010 8:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I like it.

Sharks get a reliable defensive d-man at the cost of only a second round draft pick.

Oh and apparently Wallin used to be known as the “Big Swede.” Probably not anymore since he’s on the Sharks.

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by idunno723 on Feb 7, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

I've read....

…that the pick we’re sending to the Hurricanes is a pick they traded to Buffalo back some time ago. If so, it’s likely a better pick than depicted.

by RandomReader on Feb 7, 2010 8:13 PM PST reply actions  

It’s likely you just read that:

San Jose receives a fifth round draft pick along with the 34 year old defenseman, in exchange for a second round draft selection at the 2010 NHL Entry Draft set to be held in Los Angeles, California. That pick, previously acquired from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for Craig Rivet, was San Jose’s only remaining pick in the second round. They now currently hold a first (SJS), a third (SJS), and two fifths (CAR, OTT). Depending on whether the Sharks re-sign Patrick White this offseason, they may receive a compensatory pick from the Vancouver Canucks.

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by Mr. Plank on Feb 7, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn enter button

I think it was the Yahoo link I read but it seems to be corrected now – I think it said that the pick was previously Carolinas to start. I’ll have to do more research….

by RandomReader on Feb 7, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

A GREAT MIND ONCE SAID

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 7, 2010 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

I had no idea who this guy was a week ago. Someone tell me how to feel about this, and i’ll just roll with the groupthink.

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by beat_la_25 on Feb 7, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

The second round pick is Buffalo’s, correct? If we still have at least 1 second round pick this year, it makes the move seem better. He might be lower level defensive depth, but I have heard nothing but good things about his defensive play from ’Canes fans, so I like the deal.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 7, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

San Jose does not have another second round pick. They gave that up in order to acquire Dany Heatley.

The third paragraph of this article explains what picks the Sharks have.

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by Mr. Plank on Feb 7, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well now I feel like an idiot.

Should have read that better, thanks for pointing that out. Still, I like the deal. However, I don’t think we can make judgment until we see him play.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 7, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

From a Canes fan.

It’s a good pickup if you’re looking for a stay at home D-man. Wallin is a -5 on a team tied for second-to last. Our highest paid defenseman, Joni Pitkanen, is a -16 (but he’s an offensive D-man). To compare, our best defensive defenseman, Tim Gleason, is only +1. So you’re getting an experienced, steady guy on the backline, who was really well liked here in Carolina. I wish him luck!

by rubyhawk on Feb 7, 2010 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

If carolina people like what they've seen, i'm down.

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by beat_la_25 on Feb 7, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I’ll obviously give him a hearty welcome, but I’m not sure. I have this weird squidgy feeling in my guts about this move. I don’t know why.

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by CTGray on Feb 7, 2010 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe because it feels...

like Wallin so loved the ‘Canes that he’ll never truly acclimate w/ SJ, which will translate into a sub-par performance on the ice…and when the snow settles on another disappointing postseason, like ‘Keyser Söze’, poof – he’s gone.

I’ve been jaded by Soupy, Moen and Billy G., among others. I can’t help but feel a sense of futility regarding SJ deadline acquisitions over the past decade+, or at least in the DW era.

I truly hope it works out, and Wallin has a little ‘magic left in the bottle’ for the Sharks in their quest for the Cup (or at least, their first ever SCF appearance). If not, it may be curtains for DW as GM in SJ.

"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.

by SwisherThresher on Feb 7, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Doug Wilson won't lose his job...

…over a 3rd pairing d-man.

Wallin is basically a Rivet replacement. Which salary will be moved to accommodate him is still TBD.

As much as I hate seeing him lugging the puck up ice, I hope it’s not Clowe. He fills a niche the Sharks need: a power forward.

by ievans on Feb 7, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Swisher meant

if the Sharks don’t make it to the SCF DW will lose his job, not based on this trade. However, I don’t agree with him either. If Glen “Fire” Sather can still have a job with his performance, then DW will definitely keep his.

by Mr Tea on Feb 7, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course not

Not Wallin alone. His overall tenure as SJ GM will be assessed. If the Sharks meet another early exit (hockey heaven forbid), then I’m sure heads will roll and I can only assume ol’ Dougy boy will be the first on the chopping block -despite regular season success and spearheading relatively shrewd transactions. Since DW stepped into Lombardi’s shoes, they’ve been trending downward in the playoffs – from WCF, to 2nd rd to 1st rd exit as Pres.trophy victors. I hope for DW’s sake, this year’s Team Teal can author success in the playoffs (WCF, SCF, Champions)

"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.

by SwisherThresher on Feb 7, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Doug is responsible for assembling the players and coaches. It’s the coaches job to get the most out of the players, and the players themselves are responsible for doing what is expected of them.

Putting aside the business side of things (managing cap space and contracts, etc.), DW should be fired if the players he assembled, or the coaching staff he hired, are incapable of doing the jobs we expect them to do. Which players are currently in roles that they can’t perform? Are our coaches outmatched or losing the room? IMO, we have the right players and coaches assembled, and now they have to perform. Simple as that.

by ievans on Feb 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.

by SwisherThresher on Feb 8, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, thinking about it more, take the Senators for a cautionary tale. They underachieved for a long time, then went to the Cup finals, then fired their GM and promoted the coach. Then they imploded. Oops.

My point is, if you’re going to fire your GM, you better have somebody better to replace him with, because a good team can become bad very quickly. Even if the Sharks lose early in the playoffs, they can’t just change for change’s sake.

by ievans on Feb 8, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

At least it won't be as bad as the AJ Pierzynski deal.

I hope.

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by ilovesushi on Feb 7, 2010 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

As long as Wallin

doesn’t flip off the fans, it’s a better deal than Pier-douchebag, as all non-Sox fans call him. That’s not a very high ceiling for expectations, but I kinda think this will turn out ok.

by Chicago Shark on Feb 7, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, I guess I like it, assuming it doesn’t put us way over the cap, like feared. From what I read, he’s pretty solid defensively. He’s a big body. I guess I see him as an older, slightly smaller, but more experienced Murray…which isn’t a bad thing.

Sadly, this means no more Demers, which hurts the puck moving on the blueline (maybe they’re hoping Huskins will be the puck mover). Also, it means no more McGinn and McLaren…and if they aren’t playing with us down the stretch, I doubt we see them in the playoffs, unless we see an injury. It’d hurt the chemistry if we’re changing things around as soon as we hit the playoffs.

Overall, this is a rather minor move.

I guess its a good thing to have The Secret Weapon on our side if we get into OT, though.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 7, 2010 9:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm just so so happy

we didn’t trade Joslin/Mitchell for Wally… EXHALE

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by ConditionOakland on Feb 7, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

I really don't like this trade.

The Sharks generally get good value out of 2nd picks. Cheechoo, McGinn, Vlasic, and Carle were all 2nd rounders and they’ve only had four busts for a 3rd round or higher pick since 2003. (I’m including 2003 in this.) The Sharks’ scouting staff generally gets good prospects with these picks. Furthermore, the Sharks won’t get a 2nd round pick out of Patrick White this year. They get the compensatory 2nd round pick only if they don’t sign him after he leaves school since they cannot sign him to a sliding contract while he is playing in an NCAA program like you can with CHL prospects. He’s currently a junior. If the Sharks aren’t going to sign him he’s not going to leave school early, so the Sharks won’t get a compensatory pick for not signing him.

On a somewhat related note, the 2007 draft is looking pretty frigging amazing for the Sharks. Couture is doing very well. Petrecki isn’t doing that well in the AHL but is still a valuable prospect. Pielmeier and Bonino were reasonably valuable assets. Pielmeier seems to be doing well for the Ducks, and Bonino has been a top forward on one of the best college teams in the country. Sexsmith just got his first pro shutout. Zackrisson is doing very well in the SEL. I believe he’s currently 2nd in points among drafted prospects. Justin Braun is doing well at UMass, and will definitely get a contract from the Sharks and McLaren is definitely going to be a good hockey playing enforcer.

Since it implicitly reduces our forward depth by removing call-ups from the equation, I don’t think the upgrade from Leach to Wallin is worth the trade-off.

by tarlinian on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

OH Noes

Im Bill Romanowski, EAT MY STEROIDS OR ILL EAT YOUR F***ING BRAINS!!

by SLOSharks on Feb 7, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

I have to disagree a bit. Carolina fans toted him as a top four guy. And from what I've heard elsewhere, i'd have to agree with them.

And Brad Stuart is DEFINITELY NOT a depth move. I believe he plays on their second D-line and has even seen some time on the first line this year I believe. He is a good defenseman and on some teams may even be a first d-liner.

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by Diamondback15 on Feb 7, 2010 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

Wallin is a huge upgrade over Leach. I wouldn’t trust Leach when we reach the post season. Remember, Leach is merely a waiver pick up. Sure, he’s done a good job so far, but he’s not someone I would put in against Chicago or Detroit. As stated before, Wallin has a considerable amount of playoff experience, plus a championship. I don’t understand why people are bashing against the guy… Just look back at our abysmal performances against top teams such as Chicago last week. It’ll be nice to see someone that can actually be physical and play a sound solid defense.

by thelilaznboy on Feb 7, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think Wallin is a bad player by any means as I mentioned many times in the piece, but if he’s a top four defenseman why was he 6th in TOI/G during even strength last year in the playoffs? He and Pitkanen rotated the 4/5 spot on the PK as well, so it’s not like Paul Maurice was conserving his energy because Wallin was killing a ton of penalties.

In my opinion, DW could have done more with a second round pick and a roster player, brought in someone who would make a much higher impact on the team. That’s not a criticism of Wallin’s abilities, that’s a criticism of DW’s asset management.

As for Brad Stuart, that was definitely a depth pickup by Ken Holland in 2008. Stuart is better than Wallin, but that doesn’t make him a game changer, especially at where his game was in 2008. He was a 4 guy on a terrible defensive team (LA) before going to Detroit.

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by Mr. Plank on Feb 8, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

2nd rounder seems expensive for Wallin

3rd would be more to my liking…

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by Evilducks on Feb 8, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally Agree

I think the 2nd is a little overpayment. Tarlinian makes a good point about the Sharks ability to draft in the late 1st-2nd round.

Still, I think people are miscasting him as a #6 depth guy, when he is probably more of an average #3, good #4 guy. Looks like TMac is going to pair him with Boyle at the start, a good move IMO, but my biggest complaint is that this pushes out Demers who has the unfortunate tendency to make obvious mistakes but overall is just as effective as Huskins/Leach/Blake if not more.

I wish I could see DW’s math here, though. I don’t know how this fits without moving Huskins/Mitchell/etc.

by ruben398 on Feb 8, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

it doesn't quite fit...

He’s prob going for another move, a big move…let’s hope it’s a good move lol

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Feb 8, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently, DW says that his team is still under the cap. CapGeek disagrees, but have to believe the GM, right?

by ruben398 on Feb 8, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

D-men pickups this year

Guys playing D for the Sharks for the first time this year:
Huskins-Bottom defense pairing. Officially a puck-moving defenseman. Prone to mistakes and not viewed as a physical player. Not sure how trustworthy he would be in the playoffs
Demers- Rookie. Puck-moving defenseman. Good moves. Tends to get his feet tangled when defending the rush. Good prospect for the future, but not for this year’s playoffs
Leach- So far, a somewhat physical, stay-at-home defenseman. Solid positioning and able to win battles in front of the net and on the boards. Small sample size, but I’d trust him in the playoffs.
Wallin-?
The question is, what do we need? Right now we have 1 shut down defenseman in Murray, a tweener in Vlasic, a stay-at-home but not sure in Leach, a sort of puck mover in Huskins, an oustanding offensive dman in Boyle, a wtf in Blake. I would like another stay at home/shutdown dman to help shutdown balanced attacks like Chicago and Detroit. By all accounts that is the way Wallin trends, so I am looking forward to seeing how he fits. And I’m really glad we didn’t give up any prospects for him.

by fatbabies on Feb 8, 2010 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

Blake - WTF

Exactly my thoughts on Blake.

If we re-sign Blake next year, it had better be for Peanuts. and by Peanuts I dont mean the kind that grow in the ground, I mean the kind in the cartoon section of the newspaper.

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by Morti on Feb 8, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice!!!

hopefully Blake likes snoopy!

by SharksFan91 on Feb 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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