Sharks Gameday: Is Tomas Vokoun criminally underrated?
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Back by popular demand, it's the obligatory "Goaltender with a question mark in the headline" article that has been making the rounds on Fear The Fin this week. On the docket today is one of the elite goaltenders in the NHL, Tomas Vokoun, who will face off against the Sharks today.
Vokoun has played for two franchises during the course of his 11 year professional career. These franchises, the Nashville Predators and Florida Panthers, have had a history of attendance issues and been largely ignored by the mainstream media. This is not to say that they are franchises that should be relocated to Winnipeg at the drop of the hat-- after all, Florida looks to be locked into Sunrise for the foreseeable future, and reports out of Nashville indicate the team will be there for at least two more seasons. Both organizations have done a fine job of expanding their fanbase and generating interest in their respective clubs despite cries from some in the Canadian media for relocation.
However, this is to say that Vokoun has not had the opportunity to prove himself in a premier hockey market that would elevate his presence, despite being the most consistent and successful goaltenders since the NHL lockout:
This is while playing behind some of the worst defenses in terms of SA/60 over the course of this five season data range.
And yet he hasn't ever won a Vezina Trophy; never even been nominated for one in fact. His worst season was a .919 outing in 2005-2006, and another "low" of .919 in 2007-2008. A lot of this has to do with season samples of course-- Vokoun has been in the top five amongst goaltenders 80% of the time, but never cracked the top three until last year, where he was second behind Tim Thomas.
As it turns out, Vokoun is also second this season with a .930, a shade behind Ryan Miller. Both goaltenders have had great seasons, with Miller the front-runner due to his play at the Olympics and the fact that Buffalo is likely headed to the postseason. Florida will probably miss the playoffs for the ninth straight season.
However, if both goaltenders continue to perform at their current pace, it's hard to state that one is superior to the other when using the definition of the Vezina Trophy-- "an annual award given to the goalkeeper adjudged to be the best at this position":
As good of a season Sharks MVP Evgeni Nabokov is having this season, the final vote should likely come down to Vokoun and Miller, with a slew of other contenders like Craig Andersen, the aforementioned Evgeni Nabokov, Ilya Bryzgalov, and Miika Kiprusoff (in that order for me) receiving tallies.
And even if Vokoun doesn't manage to beat out Miller, it would be a shame if the 30 General Managers leave him out of the conversation again. He's a top three candidate for certain, and at some point, deserves to be a finalist for an award that measures how good a goaltender is, and not necessarily how good the team in front of him can be.
So is Vokoun the best goaltender in the world right now? That's hard to say-- you can make a strong case for both Ryan Miller and Roberto Luongo, and I wouldn't raise any objections; it's a subjective line in the sand that admittedly is best achieved by throwing statistics out of the window, and the fact that Vokoun has only made one playoff appearance in his career (with another being shortened by injury) could be used as a point of reference. But if I'm a general manager looking to win right now, today, you'd have a hard time convincing me that Vokoun shouldn't be between the pipes.
Thankfully, we only see him once a season. Something tells me last night's comeback wouldn't have been quite so sweet if Nashville had held on to him in 2007.
Prediction: Sharks win 7-0. Vokoun has the worst game of his career and is pulled in the first period, while CTGray bestows yet another "Bringer of Doom" Award in all it's glory.
Go Sharks.
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Is Tomas Vokoun criminally underrated?
Yes. Yes he is.
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FYI: Game is at 1pm tomorrow, not 7:30 pm. Go Sharks.
by I'm Kind of a Big Teal on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions
I always forget to change that.
Thanks for the heads up.
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1 pm!? Not cool.
I had planned to be asleep then.
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at 1pm??
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by ang6666 on Mar 12, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
I’m stuck with the 2-6am shift, so I probably won’t be able to get to sleep until about 8 or 9 am.
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ouch! graveyard shifts suck … don’t know how people do it
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by ang6666 on Mar 12, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe this guy does not get more attention.
I always knew he was pretty good, but I had never really seen those stats. Damn, they are convincing. Now, I am even happier Chicago did not pick him up.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 12, 2010 10:23 PM PST reply actions
Heh, my buddy Dan Cavey and I always joke that the biggest deadline deal the Sharks have ever made was Chicago not getting Vokoun.
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by Mr. Plank on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, Tomas Vokoun is criminally underrated. Dude is a stalwart between the pipes. At the deadline, I was shooting the shit with some friends, and said if we could trade Nabby for Vokoun straigbt up, I’d do it in a heartbeat. That’s how highly I think of Vokoun. He is the sole reason Florida is even in a position to fight for a playoff spot this year, and it will be a travesty if he does not get a Vezina nomination.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 12, 2010 10:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
As much as I love Nabby, I'd take that deal too.
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if he wasn't stuck in the dregs of non-traditional markets
he definitely wouldn’t be. definitely have to second, third, and fourth on the relief of him not getting dealt to CHI.
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1pm Game?
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by ang6666 on Mar 13, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Go Sharks!
Sharks win 7-0. Vokoun has the worst game of his career and is pulled in the first period, while CTGray bestows yet another “Bringer of Doom” Award in all it’s glory.
We can only hope………..
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by ang6666 on Mar 13, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
will do don’t forget to call me and we may meet up for lunch if not during intermission :)
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 13, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
awesome!
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 13, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
sort of OT
I’m in la for todays game, any suggestions on where to watch? And then in sd for Sunday…again, any suggestions?
by ilooklikeafat16 on Mar 13, 2010 9:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Early hockey!
Chicago and Philly are playing right now on CSN California fyi.
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Good thing I logged in today.
I totally forgot the game is at 1pm.
That changes the plans for the day.
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As for Vokoun – I think there is one reason why he’s never getting nominated for Vezina. As much as we’d like to underplay the importance of ‘wins’ stat for the goalies, the voters do care about it. I don’t see any other reason why Brodeur beat out Nabokov a few years ago, or why Thomas won last year over other goalies.
Vezina winners/nominees typically have to have both components – playing on a winning team having a great season (resulting in a lot of "w"s), and having great individual stats.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Its like Cy Young voters in baseball. Overvaluing wins instead of giving the award to the best overall player that year.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 13, 2010 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
*but of course i won’t play him against the sharks!
by a10dency2ask on Mar 13, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Vokoun also played for the Montreal Canadiens
Albeit one game. Vokoun and Jose Theodore came in around the same time, and management ended up exposing Vokoun to Nashville where he shared starts with Mike Dunham.
Yes, Vokoun is criminally underrated and has been for some time. He was one of the best goaltenders in the Olympics
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by Will Bulldozer on Mar 13, 2010 11:40 AM PST reply actions
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forgot that Vokoun played in Montreal but TVO’s tenure was so short there it is easy to go unnoticed. The South Florida media used to constantly say Jacques Martin never coached in the NHL before Ottawa(Nope he spent two years leading St. Louis).
Good post on Vokoun, bad prediction on yesterday’s game. Florida has now beaten the Sharks two in a row. I expect some hungry fins down here in Florida next season.

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