Reconstructing the Western Conference Playoff Standings
A brief note before I get into this.
The tendency after some big losses is to pile on the team, bury them in criticism and state that all hope is lost when it comes to performing in the postseason. I understand that anger as well as anyone, and one thing that I have learned over the years covering this team is that burying your head in the sand when it comes to trends only results in getting blindsided. I have admittedly become much more jaded as time goes by, specifically this season, where youthful exuberance for the start of hockey led to hand-wringing a mere six games later.
It's the nature of the beast really. This fanbase has been burned so many times before, on so many different levels, that we have become a nation of whiners and malcontents. You, me, the dude playing guitar on the far side of West Santa Clara Street following every home game. We are spoiled by regular season success. We look forward to nothing more than the playoffs, and take every victory during the first 82 games with a grain of salt.
My hope is that today's discussion does not fall into name-calling and blanket statements that "the same ol' chokejob" is a foregone conclusion, because it truly is not. San Jose has struggled since the Olympic break but there needs to be a realization here that thirteen games do remain in the regular season; and while this article does point out some rather middling trends against the Western Conference elite, April is ultimately an unknown.
We have no idea what will happen, only previous performances to guide us when speculating on what will. Nothing is set in stone.
Let's not forget that.

The Sharks record against Western Conference playoff teams has been an issue for awhile now, and it's an area of the team that has me concerned going forward. Whether or not this means anything substantial to the masses is likely up for debate.
This post attempts to provide some context for that debate to take place.
The playoffs are a funny thing. Extremely volatile in terms of matchups, especially in the ever-deep Western Conference where a first round draw isn't going to be a walk in the park no matter who you end up facing. Although the term "parity" has become quite the modus operandi during Gary Bettman's reign as Commissioner, it's hard to debate that notion when it comes to the final seedings out West-- by and large all eight clubs are fairly competitive on some level or another, with each one bringing a different type of skill set to the table. You have your veteran teams with experience on their side, young clubs who have played above their head all season, hot teams, cold teams, fallen short of expectations teams, physical teams, freewheeling teams-- just about every crayon in the box is represented.
Detroit is the white Crayola; no one wants it around. But lo and behold it always ends up in the box, unblemished, standing above all others after two months of use.
Nine teams are currently in the Western Conference playoff mix, and all have varying chances of obtaining a postseason berth according to James Mirtle's Playoff Push. For this exercise I have chosen to exclude the Blues and Wild on down, as it looks to be a long and tumultuous road for any of those teams to crack the top eight. However, crazier things have happened (St. Louis last season ironically), and the advent of the three point game makes nearly anything possible. If the standings change substantially by the time I post again on the subject a week and half from now, those potential teams will be included.
As I mentioned earlier, the Sharks record against playoff teams has brought with it some concerns. There has always been a question of whether or not the organization is able to elevate their play when it comes to the top teams in the league, and for the most part, those questions remain unanswered this season.
Today we have a nine team sample (#1 seeded San Jose down to the #9 seeded Flames), and their records against other potential Western Conference playoff opponents. Shootout decisions have been thrown out of the win/loss column.
The amount of games played will fluctuate between teams. This is due to a pair of reasons.
The first is the fact that each team has played a varying number of games against these opponents. For example, Colorado has nine games remaining against potential Western Conference playoff teams, while Detroit only has four. The second is that some teams go to the shootout more often than others, and therefore will have more games tossed out of the sample.
Games that went to the shootout are listed as GSO. They are not included in the GP column.
Also, and this is very important, the goals for and goals against scored in regulation during shootout games will be included in the GF/G and GA/G numbers. While this may seem strange at first (why include these statistics when you are throwing out the game results), it makes sense intuitivitely-- what we are measuring in that category is how proficient a team is at scoring and keeping the puck out of the net against playoff teams during regulation and overtime play. Therefore, this chart encompasses all of the relevant in-game statistics that teams have amassed when playing one another, while throwing out the results of a situation (shootout) that will not occur one month from now.
If this bothers you for whatever reason, and you would like the goals for/against numbers to be thrown out for all games that reach the shootout, I have attached those standings here. However, I prefer the chart below for the reasons stated above, and will use this format in future postings.
What follows is all nine teams games ranked according to winning percentage (WIN%). That is the main thrust of this article, and really is where the focus should be-- wins and losses are pretty black and white at this point, no matter how many goals you score along the way:
A couple things jump out from this list.
For starters, it looks to me like there is a definite split once you get past Vancouver-- although the Sharks are currently stuck in sixth place, it's really not that immense of a drop from the four spot where Phoenix resides. Chicago, Detroit, and Vancouver are playing up to the level of competition, while the remaining six teams have all struggled to varying degrees. The Sharks are far from being in the lower half of the Conference in terms of skill level, but I think a case could be made that they aren't necessarily as elite as the NHL standings may currently indicate.
Back in December I penned an article predicting that the Red Wings would make the playoffs, and end up somewhere in the four to five range. While that may have been a little presumptuous considering it would take nothing short of a Herculean effort to get to the middle of the group at this point, it is far from an appealing option to have them floating around in the bottom third of the Western Conference bubble, especially when you consider how well they have done against potential playoff teams.
To say nothing of their historic dominance of San Jose in Joe Louis Arena.
Avoiding Detroit, as the entirety of Fear The Fin has echoed all season, is absolutely essential for this club to make a deep run. As was mentioned earlier in the year, "Detroit is the second most dangerous team amongst the Western Conference pool of contenders, with Chicago obviously taking the crown in that regard. Niklas Lidstrom may have a receding hairline but is still the best shutdown defenseman in the league today, Pavel Datsyuk makes your deity of choice green with envy, and Henrik Zetterberg is always available to pick your pocket like Winona Ryder on a Tuesday afternoon at the mall."
So that's the first thing that jumps out at me.
The second, and somewhat cathartic statistic in an ultimately sadistic sort of way, is the fact that San Jose has had some trouble keeping pucks out of the net against playoff teams. They are last amongst this sample, finding close company with Nashville, Colorado, and Los Angeles, who are all over the 2.80 GA/G mark as well.
As the majority of Fear The Fin readers are well aware of, TCY and I have been big proponents of upgrading our defense throughout the course of the season. I think this validates our qualitative observations to some degree (in regards to the usual retort being "but we're fifth in the league in goals against!"), and while I don't necessarily fault Doug Wilson for holding off on making a move at the deadline due to the cap space he had to work with*, it is going to be an area of concern both down the stretch and into the playoffs. Evgeni Nabokov has masked a lot of the defensive issues that have plagued the unit since the outset of the season, and to ask him to continue carrying the team when he is well on his way to the 70+ start range seems rather bold. His .888 SV% since the Olympic break (.903 before last night's loss to Dallas) has done little to assuage these concerns.
*Yes, I understand that Wilson was the one who put himself in that salary situation, but it's hard for me to argue that he is ultimately responsible for the success of the team in this area. He definitely has his faults, specifically in the area of being proficient at making a great trade vs. being rather subpar in re-signing players to reasonable contracts, but at this point it is all on the players and coaching staff. The regular season record speaks for itself when it comes to DW. Playoffs, and performance against playoff teams, are a player problem. Nothing Wilson has done can change that.
Marc-Edouard Vlasic's return from a knee injury should definitely help in this area. He's an essential player to this team, and hopefully will not be burdened with decreased mobility when he returns. Mobility is one of the biggest assets to his game considering he doesn't play with much of a physical edge, and while McLellan has handled injuries well this season, sticking to that approach wholeheartedly with Vlasic, you never know with a knee. It's a wildcard.
One last note before I transition into another approach to these reconstructed standings-- I understand that there a lot of relevant links nestled into this article, and I fully encourage you to click on all of them considering they accentuate the points I am trying to make. But if you do one thing today, read this article from March of last season, this one from December, and the comments in a post entitled "How the Sharks have spent the post-Olympic break", published earlier this week on Fear The Fin.
Similar in almost all respects. No matter how much things change, they always do seem to stay the same.

All this being said there are some positives, or at the very least, aspects within these numbers that should offer some modicum of comfort.
San Jose's goal differential is at the break even point, good for fourth amongst these teams. While that is not necessarily where the coaching staff would like things to be against top-tier opponents, it shows that they generally have played these teams tight, 7-2 shellacking at the hands of Chicago notwithstanding.
They also find themselves tied for third in terms of goals scored, which has also been a concern throughout the year. For the most part San Jose has shown they can score in bunches when they have the motivation to do so, and with secondary scorers to boot-- having those bottom nine guys chip in is probably the second biggest thing during the postseason behind Nabokov (and consequently, the defense). It is a good trend, albeit one that has been washed out by some questionable decision-making with the puck in the defensive end. Sure, they may have benefited from some gaudy offensive numbers against Calgary (9-1) and Nashville (8-5), but that's largely true for every team in this sample.
Furthermore, San Jose is 6-4 since January against playoff teams. There has been improvement, however slight, and building on that momentum will be essential during these final four weeks of the regular season.

The sky probably isn't falling-- that has never been the purpose of any article I have ever written, because to truly predict the outcome of the playoffs requires some pretty nasty hallucinogens and one helluva accurate crystal ball courtesy of Miss Cleo. There is nothing in here that states San Jose is incapable of making a deep playoff run; however, this indicates to me that there are some notable maladies that plague the club on a broad level when it comes to performing against playoff teams, which in turn makes it seem as if they will be less likely to make a deep playoff run.
There is a definite distinction there.
Whether it is frustrating turnovers at the bluelines, botched breakouts, a lack of urgency for sixty minutes, or whatever other option you choose to hang your hat on (and there a fair amount of rungs available right now), I don't think the Sharks have exactly been the world beaters that their official record may indicate.
It's all relative to expectations. A team struggling to make the playoffs would kill for San Jose's totals on this chart, while a potential number one seed in West should be disappointed in what they have turned in thus far. The regular season Sharks are the heroes that San Jose deserves, but are not the ones we need right now. We need some dark knights.
Of course nothing is set in stone, and a 10-12 record is no exception. San Jose has eight games remaining against these potential playoff opponents, and that all begins tomorrow with a nasty back to back on the road against Vancouver and Calgary. The following weekend also features another back to back, this time featuring Vancouver and Colorado in the cozy confines of HP Pavilion.
San Jose then plays Colorado, Calgary, Vancouver, and Phoenix during the last week of the regular season. All in a row.
These are huge games, defining ones, and will be a better indicator of what to expect during The Months That Shall Not Be Named than anything else that has come before.
Cue John Williams and ready the superlatives folks. It's going to be a wild ride.
Go Sharks.
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Pretty much the best article this site, nay – blogdom, has ever seen.
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How gracious of you after Plank bumps your recap off so soon.
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We’re a family here at FTF. We’ve got bigger problems.
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Actually I can see why this article has your beaming endorsement
Detroit is the white Crayola; no one wants it around. But lo and behold it always ends up in the box, unblemished, standing above all others after two months of use.
This line made the article, and I haven’t even read past it yet. Be it alliterations, puns, or any other quirky facets of the English language, Plank always is able to deliver some of the most epic one liners ever. Throw in the Philanthropist Economist TCY, the Russian Photographer guy, and the teacher who travels so much he is practically a gypsy, and you have one hell of a team.
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by joe579 on Mar 16, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
To be fair, auto-post has been playing tricks with me the last couple weeks. I even offered to buy TCY a beer!
The crayon line was my favorite as well. Thanks for the props.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Excellent Breakdown
Good work Plank, that is an excellent piece of research on the western conference. it really shows how mediocre the Sharks have been against the good teams.
The Sharks defense is weak and that will be exposed bigtime in the playoffs.
It will be interesting to see what DW does with this team after this season.
I think they will be lucky to get out of the first round. I think we fans need to have realistic expectations about what this team can accomplish.
Agree. Together with the Dark Knight reference, this article certainly has some memorable writing.
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yea I’m impressed after last night’s whatever you want to call that crap Plank had the right mind to actually write an incredible article. I was completely useless after the game…just sat around stunned.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 17, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Rather that than Detroit in the first…
by sharks in oc on Mar 17, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
the teacher who travels so much he is practically a gypsy
I love you, joe579… in that Shark fan sort of way.
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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Seconded
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed, etc. etc.
The crayon analogy is just further proof that Plank is Pulitzer bound when he begins his (ahem) “real” journalism career.
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by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
Tomorrow I’m doing a metaphor lesson with my 9th graders and I’m going to use the white crayola line. Awesome!! Thanks for the lesson plan enhancement Plank!!
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
Good stuff Plank, as always. This team can be pretty frusterating to cheer for. And I don’t think San Jose fans have anythink to be ashamed of in how upset we’ve been over our team’s play down the stretch and our fear of the postseason. Yes, some teams on the outside looking in would be ecstatic just to be in the playoffs. But when you are in year after year, and have one of the top-3 records in the league year after year, it gets to a point that just making the playoffs isn’t enough. Shit, I’m an A’s fan. In the early decade, the A’s were making the playoffs every year…but never got out of the first round! At first it was nice just to be there…but by the end, dammit, we wanted to start winning series! 2006 ruled, and now the team is on the outside looking in again, and I’d love it if they just made the playoffs. It’s just how the cycle works!
Moving on back to your main point here, it might actually be interesting to look at our record team by team in relation to how we’ve faired against playoff bound teams. See if the data is being skewed by any one or two opponents (oh, gee, I wonder which opponents might be skewing it). Anyways, looking at it, I find the following (taking shootouts out, of course)…
Against Detroit and Chicago: 1-5
Against All Other Playoff Teams: 9-7
Honestly, the Sharks have played the West’s playoff teams pretty well…except for Detroit and Chicago, who have pretty much owned us. Also, in looking at the timing of these losses to the All Other Playoff Teams…the LA losses were early, the Sharks won the last two meetings. The Calgary loss was early, and we came back to spank them. The Nashville loss was early, and we’ve won the last two against them. In any case, it actually appears that against these teams, the Sharks are (or at least were) trending up. The more they saw these teams, the better they got against them…which would bode well for a series.
Now, with 7 games remaining against these “everyone else” teams, the records could change drastically. However, I’m not sure the Sharks have been as overall terrible against the West’s playoff teams as it has looked on the surface. Yes, Chicago and Detroit have given us massive problems…but outside of those two teams the Sharks have been holding their own. It would be nice to see that record a little more in the Sharks’ favor, but these are obviously good teams, and we’ll lose some games.
Don’t get me wrong, after the past week’s play, I’m terrified of how this team will do going forward. And I’m with you that the next few weeks will be pretty telling.
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s a good point, and one I tried to make throughout the piece— “although the Sharks are currently stuck in sixth place, it’s really not that immense of a drop from the four spot where Phoenix resides” and “Furthermore, San Jose is 6-4 since January against playoff teams. There has been improvement, however slight, and building on that momentum will be essential during these final four weeks of the regular season” being the examples.
That being said, you can tinker with the data for a lot of teams. Colorado has struggled against Vancouver and Nashville this year, throwing out those two teams makes them 7-4 against the West etc.
To be the best you have to beat the best, and I don’t think San Jose has done that, or at least hasn’t done that in accordance to where they are currently placed in the official NHL standings. I plan on taking a look at the 05-09 playoff years next week, and see if a team’s record against other playoff clubs may indicate how successful they are during The Months That Shall Not Be Named.
This study has some decent face validity, but putting it into a larger context will definitely be helpful.
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I guess the overall point I wanted to make is that the Sharks aren’t bad against all the teams, just two in particular. Obviously teams always tend to have issues with certain teams, and not with others. If the Sharks somehow got to play Nashville in the first round, and then maybe Vancouver (who we’ve had success against traditionally) in the second round, they could have a decent shot to make it to the Conf. Finals. But if they draw Detroit in the first round, we may all be crying again. Of course, last season the Sharks went 4-2 in the reg season against Anaheim. That worked out well.
I guess, in the end, the Sharks are going to have to beat all of these teams, so it really doesn’t matter who we’re good against, and who we aren’t good against…we’ll have to beat them all the same if we want to get to the promised land. Just thought it might be interesting to break it down and take a closer look.
I look forward to the next step of this study, when you look at the years past to try and find a correlation. That sounds like it could have some real merit in determining if we should all be prematurely freaking out!
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course, last season the Sharks went 4-2 in the reg season against Anaheim. That worked out well.
Heh, I think San Jose went something like 3-1 against Detroit the year they lost to them in the playoffs. Maybe having a losing record against Detroit and Chicago is a good thing this year.
That’s really the problem when it comes to these types of things. There’s nothing out there statistically, either here or otherwise, that states San Jose is definitely going to win/lose in the playoffs; all it shows are elements that indicate how prepared they are to do so.
I guess it’s the human element that keeps us all coming back, even when heartbreak is the main emotion that always seems to come around this time of year.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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I’m still holding out an inkling of hope that the Sharks will get hot in the playoffs. The playoffs, I keep reminding myself, is a whole nother ballgame, so to speak. Anyone can win. It would be nice if the Sharks showed that they wanted to beat them in the regular season, but everyone’s said it all along, the regular season doesn’t matter for this team. It’s all about the playoffs. Maybe Boyle and Nichol and Malhotra and Marleau all get all pissed off and this team gets angry and they finally win. It could happen. Won’t know til we get there, though.
Until then, super smart fans like us can continue to look at the numbers and worry the crap out of ourselves…
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone Better Get Pissed
Has this team shown any signs of playing with a sense of urgency that the past teams haven’t shown? The answer is no.
The problems that this team has had in the past in the playoffs, seems to still be an issue. Boyle called the team out and they go and lose 8-2.
We need a whole team full of players like Boyle who might have some pride.
I have serious doubts that this team will get out of the first round once again.
At least the expectations for this team are not high like last year when we thought we had a good chance to win it all.
Now teams are getting in line to want to play the Sharks in the playoffs.
The problems that this team has had in the past in the playoffs, seems to still be an issue. Boyle called the team out and they go and lose 8-2.
Definitely not a comforting fact. It’s hard to predict the postseason though; like I said, nothing is set in stone. All we can really do is hope they manage to turn things around tomorrow. Probably the biggest game of the year.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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WHUT?!!?!
LMAO…so freaking true…so Jumbo is Neptune.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 17, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Jumbo has nips
Nabby’s weird Neptune does not!
I might start a facebook group. Get Nabby’s mask some nips!
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Yeah i think our recent performances against teams are more important than games we had at the beginning of the season. We have terrible records against Detroit and Chicago but i saw some serious potential in both of the last games we played against them. Our last game against Chicago was a loss, but only due to a breakdown we had at the start of the game (which imo was because it was the first game back after a verrry long break) where we let in 3 goals within like 8 minutes (if i remember right). After that I remember us looking very good against them and we came back and scored 3 unanswered goals. It went to OT and Demers fell at the worst possible time which gave Chicago a freebie for the win in OT; but we looked pretty dominant that game, minus the first 5 minutes or so.
We’re going through a rough patch right now, but I think we really have gotten better against the Western conference playoff teams as of late. We just gotta get out of this rut, and keep improving. The next few games should give us a better idea of the team we have on our hands.
I am probably the lone jackass...
Who thinks that these big losses are a good thing for the Sharks. In years past, we’d lay down for games like these, play like shit, and still come out with a W. I’m all for the Sharks getting their asses handed to them when they play poorly right now. I love the tough schedule coming up. They absolutely cannot put forth a lazy defensive effort against any of those teams. Preparation by adversity always breeds toughness and mental preparation, or so my law professors tell us.
Also, Detroit has same gimme victories ahead, I think with 3 against Columbus. There is no way they finish below a 6 seed. IMO.
Great post.
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by Shenkbone on Mar 17, 2010 3:21 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'll second yer jackass
I think that the immense talent on this team has allowed them to cruise through games and put on little bursts to take wins. Over the last few years. All this does is reinforce in their minds that they can get away with it, no matter what a coach is preaching about good habits.
Kind of like all of the calls for benching stars when they don’t perform…if you are bad and don’t get yanked, there is little incentive to change your habits.
I think we all need to get spanked once in a while…
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!
I’d like to see one or two of the “burger line” benched. Maybe that will get the message across! I can’t ever recall that happening since I’ve been a fan.
You pull the goalie when the game heads south, even if its not entirely his fault, so why not one of your top line? It’s more of an impact message, IMHO.
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by sharkiesgirl on Mar 17, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this. While I don’t think getting their asses handed to them all the way down the stretch (not that you were implying that in the least) would be a positive, getting blown out against a division rival probably is a good thing in lighting a fire under their ass, provided it generates the motivational spark that it should.
Tomorrow should tell us a lot about this team. Vancouver is a great test.
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Not that it ultimately worked out for them in the end, but 2 years ago Dallas was plummeting during the final month of the season to the point where they were doing bag skates and they knocked out the Sharks who were on fire down the stretch.
Of course they were exhausted after the 4 OT game and didn’t really stand a chance against Detroit afterward (it looked like they were skating in molasses for 3 games before they were back to normal)
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I agree with what you said. Last year at this time there was no extremely lopsided loss, and they just kept getting by.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 17, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
When I think about it
the team’s currently in a pretty bad slump right now. Yeah, I know, Captain Obvious here, but let me finish.
A couple seasons ago, Jamie Baker talked about on the radio one way you know a slump is going to happen. Usually, the harbringer is when a team has a a string of victories of games that they should have have lost, but actually won – which fit the comeback victories and their last-minute efforts to a T. Now we’re smack dab in the middle of the slump with the losses to Florida and Anaheim and last night’s flaming bag of dog doo of a game.
If the Sharks start losing games that their effort (both on offense and defense) dictates they should have won, that’s a sign that the slump may be on its way out. Let’s see if the boys can turn it around, and soon.
i heard bakes mention that too.
and agree with it.
the thing about slumps though is that they lay out to bear all of the weaknesses. unfortunately the sharks weaknesses are things very critical to playoff success (traditionally, at least)
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For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 17, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The regular season Sharks are the heroes that San Jose deserves, but are not the ones we need right now. We need some dark knights.
That right there is my nominee for the quote of the year.
Great article Plank. I’ll think about it on my way to work and post my thoughts later. Too many things to think about at once, especially considering what we’ve watched last night.
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Sorry....
for whining up there ^. They’ll pull it out and surprise us I’m sure. Hockey…changes so fast if you don’t hang on you’ll get whiplash. :) Here’s to tomorrow and Friday and Sunday!
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So, in the search for a silver lining
I see the Coyotes are quickly gaining on us in the Pacific…
Perhaps they’ll knock us down to 4th where there is almost 0 chance we see Detroit in round 1.
Not that every team doesn’t terrify me at the moment, but I think that panic will pass in a day or two.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
But that may mean facing Blackhawks in the 2nd round.
There is no easy road to the final in the Western Conference.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Rather that than Detroit in the first…
But you are right. There is no easy road.
by sharks in oc on Mar 17, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
There are still too many games to assume that Detroit will remain no. 8 seed. They’ve won 3 in a row now, and are picking up their pace. There is a good chance they’ll be at spot 7, so that means we do want to remain on top, or even better – spot 6 or even 5, which is only 6 points away at this point, etc. .
Even Washington is still not out of the reach, although President’s trophy is the least of my concerns.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
There may be a simpler solution, that has recent historical precedent
I’m brainstorming an article for the near future. Stay tuned.
(Plank and TCY run to remove my admin status ;-) )
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
NICE! A MR. K ARTICLE! I’ve only heard legend of those…
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh hush ;-)
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's
Had the Penguins defeated the Flyers, Philadelphia would have been the No. 8 seed and an immediate first-round rematch would be on tap this week. Instead, the Penguins play Ottawa in the first round.
I seem to recall conspiracy theorists at the time saying the Penguins intentionally tanked in order to NOT have to play the hot Flyers in the first round. Recall that the Flyers went all the way to the Finals, where they finally met the Penguins.
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember that clearly
Created a LOT of rumblings. The Penguins certainly looked listless in that final contest.
For the Sharks, if the last game of the season equated to: win = Detroit; loss = Nashville….I’m pretty sure they’ll give Nabby/Greiss the day off while forcing Blake to sit in the crease with a catching glove.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Mar 17, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake might end up being the first Shark in quite a while to get a shutout. You just wait…
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Burn
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If we do go to 4th and hit Chicago in round 2 that means that all 4 top seeds won (unlikely) and that Detroit is gone.
I can accept that possibility. I expect we’ll have to play at least one of them, I’d rather it not be both of them. If we’re 4th I don’t think we can possibly play them both.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
4th seed however likely means we’ll lose more games than win in the next 4 weeks and will be on a major slide lasting all of post-Olympic regular season.
Is that what you want for your health? Or Nabokov’s confidence? Or McLellan’s sanity?
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Unless...
It’s semi-intentional.
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
That gives us a better matchup in the first round, maybe they can get out of their funk by then?
I’m just searching for silver linings right now.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Maybe.
But as history shows with many teams, including last year’s team, it’s not so easy to come out of the funk and play on a different level. I suppose Detroit did it last year, but most teams find it hard to.
I never wish a loss to the Sharks unless it’s the very last game and the loser either gets Detroit or Nashville.
Interesting that our very last game of the regular season is against Phoenix.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
NO TOUCH ICING!
I demand it. I do.
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!

Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Just busting your balls, Aero. ;-)
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
It made me laugh and it was that or cry...
I didn’t want to lead with my usual pissing on the fire sooo….but it was one hell of a JR goal when that puck came off the boards and into the crease on a dump in. Talk about dumping on a team when they needed a little break!
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!
Great breakdown Plank
I’ve been pondering doing a bit of breakdown inspired by your standings breakdown.
I wanted to look at goal scoring against the playoff teams: In particular, comparisons of ES, PP and PK, seeing if there is a particular weakness in them that may mask something otherwise hidden by the Sharks generally good numbers in GF, GA, PP% and PK%.
Were you looking at anything similar?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
what about WHO scores against playoff teams too? Who steps up against the teams that are actually contending? It would be fun to see a grading system that averaged, and showed the game by game rating for each player against said opponents…things like energy, effort, ability to advance the puck out of the zone, turnovers…those are all subjective but we make those calls all the time.
I am thinking of games where a guy is just fighting the puck but then bangs in a random goal and that is all the score sheet highlights…or where someone like Murray makes monumental plays clearing the zone of pucks and bodies, but still only shows 20 minutes and a -1.
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!
I'll see if I can work that in
Assuming our intrepid bloggers haven’t already broken it down.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I plan on doing a lot of these things in the coming weeks in regards to individual performances against playoff teams/post-Olympics, but your Fanpost was definitely a good start.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Enter Nic Wallin
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
We’d need to actually get to OT in a playoff game for the Secret Weapon to be unleashed!
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because the Secret Weapon worked for one team doesn’t mean it’s gonna work for another team. We need to have our own secret weapon, not use someone else’s.
I call for Kent Huskins!!!
by CalFaithful707 on Mar 17, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If Wallin wasn’t brought in to be a secret weapon, why did we give up a second round pick for him! I assumed it was for all the playoff OT goals we’re gonna need from him! :-P
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Snark
Snark snark snark
:-D
Fear the Fin: "Man goes into cage. Cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa.... our shark."
by Conico do Mayo Miracle on Mar 17, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, when you can’t enjoy glorious Sharks victory, at least I can be snarky and sarcastic in Sharks defeat. :)
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We had the ultimate playoffs weapon last year in Claude Lemiuex..
Is it not too late to bring him back?
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Did you see the hops he got jumping into the boards? Jordan-esque I tell you.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 17, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
My statistical breakdown
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Good stuff.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
and slowly the chant begins....
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JR JR JR JR JRJRJRJRJRJRJ!!!!!
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!
Yes
awesome….I’m all for that.
"The coaches should tell the goalies to do the splits and then windshield wipers. That's how you'll block shots every time." - Peeny 3.13.10
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 17, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The same JR that was with the team for the last two playoff meltdowns?
I like JR just fine, but there’s no single person that will give this team some huevos. They have all the talent in the locker room to make a deep playoff run. They just have to (f—king) execute.
sure
but i would rather watch a team go down fighting than see talent that continues to puss out. I watch to be entertained every game win or lose. I never turn on a game hoping that it is lackluster. so yes. that same JR.
Boyle for Captain, Marleau for Govn'r, Pavs for President! Go Sharks!
Yes, please!
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 17, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Realistic Expectations
The good news is unlike last year when everyone thought the Sharks were serious cup contenders, no one expects the Sharks to do much this year. Their defense is lousy and the inconsistency since the all star break is apparent.
A first round exit would not surprise anyone this year. For anyone to expect a team that has NEVER STEPPED IT UP FOR THE PLAYOFFS, to do it this year, well good luck with those thoughts.
The way I look at it, anything beyond the first round is as good as you could ever expect from this team.
So I did some research….
last four cup winners (post LO) record in the last 15 games…
2009 – Penguins went 10-2-3
2008 – Red Wings went 11-3-2
2007 – Ducks went 9-3-3
2006 – Canes went 8-6-2
In that time period no team has lost 3 consecutive games in regulation during the final 15 games… Penguins and RW lost only 2 conseq. games, either in OT or in regulation. Ducks DID lose three in a row in that span but one was an OT loss. Canes lost 2 in a row at two different times during the last 15 games…. And the Ducks lost two of their final three games…
There is a precedent for teams losing three in a row during the home stretch. We have currently lost three in a row with one being in the OT. To be fair I am including the Florida game which was the 16th to last game for the Sharks….
There is still time to right this ship and get going. But it MUST be now… While I think we are all feeling similar feelings I am trying to find some ray of hope.
I still contend that the Ducks got great draws before they had to face the RW in the Conference finals the year they won the cup. The Sharks could get lucky and get easier draws…
i don’t think all hope is lost. Yet…
Nice numbers. I have something in the works for next week that looks at how teams perform in the last 10 games of the season (although 15 may be a better sample), and how that effects their ability to advance in the first round vs. seeding vs. record against playoff teams.
It will be pretty broad, but once it is completed, should give us a good idea of what to pay attention to in terms of trends. Ultimately guessing a team’s fate is nothing more than guesswork, but some context will be positive.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I picked 15 because it seemed more indicitave of post-deadline play through to the stretch. But it’s pretty arbitrary too…
I look forward to what you find!
by skilletboy on Mar 17, 2010 3:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Saw this on a Puck Daddy live chat:
Wyshynski:
As for fearing the Wings: I’d fear them if I were the Blackhawks, but I think the Sharks would win that series.
WTF?!!! Puck Daddy believes in the Sharks?!!!
Yeah dude it’s really weird, he was saying some nice stuff about the sharks in another post earlier. You can even tell that he’s watched some of our last few games and he’s actually giving the Sharks more credit then i would. He said, “Don’t let the final score throw you; San Jose threw constant pressure at Lehtonen, and the importance of his work, especially early, should not be understated.” and he gave Nabby a pass on a couple of the goals he let in.
Of course he does go on to say this:
Wyshynski:
Is the pressure on the Sharks? Isn’t it assumed that they’ll choke?
I am as worried about the Sharks as the rest of you...
but take a look at Second City Hockey. After talking about nothing but the Stanley Cup all season, two painful losses over the weekend, with them coughing up leads in the third period, and the loss of Campbell has their fans out on the ledge ready to jump.
Read some of their posts, I guarantee it will cheer you up.
Schadenfreude never felt so good!
by JohnThe Revelator on Mar 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
Playoff jitters already!
13 more games are going to go by slow.
Hopefully they figure things out soon.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen

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