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Trade Deadline passes, Sharks stand pat; Let's talk playoff line combos

Maybe the price wasn't right. Maybe Doug Wilson felt as if his team was as good as it was going to get. Maybe the fact that San Jose was at the upper limit of the salary cap hampered any potential move.

Whatever the case, the San Jose Sharks will enter the stretch run with the same roster they had yesterday.

Fear The Fin has advocated picking up a defenseman for the better part of the year. It is an issue for the team that I would have liked to have seen addressed as Evgeni Nabokov, in the midst of a Vezina-caliber season, has masked a lot of issues surrounding the unit as a whole. And with a poor Olympic outing from Nabokov now being thrown into the mix with his career playoff numbers, there is the distinct possibility that his play may not reach the level it was at before the break.

That being said, the team is still one of the favorites to make some noise in the Western Conference. As they were last season, as they have been since the lockout. A revamped third and fourth lines have done a good job of establishing a rhythm to the Sharks game, and has vastly improved the ability for role players to make an impact on games. Dany Heatley is a premier goal scorer who needs no introduction. Although Wilson did not make a splash today, the team is vastly different than the one who took the ice in April of last season.

And they are likely better.

The concerns are still there however; Niclas Wallin, brought in before the February trade freeze, does not seem to be the answer that can slide into the top four when Marc-Edouard Vlasic is healthy. The secondary scoring is still a potential issue, and although it has improved since I discussed it earlier this season, there is no telling how it will handle the rigors of playoff hockey when the skill level is much higher across the board.

San Jose has a .500 record against Western Conference playoff teams this season, discluding games that go the skills competition. That is an issue, and one that can no longer be addressed by bringing in non-organizational assets.

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At any rate, with the roster essentially set, composing playoff lines now heads to the forefront of the discussion. As I mentioned yesterday, I have advocated splitting HTML up throughout the course of this year, as it spreads out your scoring punch. Devin Setoguchi immediately begins to get better looks, and as we saw against New Jersey yesterday, it has the potential to pay off:

Dany Heatley - Joe Thornton - Devin Setoguchi

Patrick Marleau - Joe Pavelski - Manny Malhotra

After that you get into what I like to call the "Malleable Marauders." There's literally about a million and one combinations you can come up with down here, and as TCY and I have discussed before on this blog, there is a possibility that Logan Couture gets the call up to San Jose. Whether or not that happens is up in the air, but if it does, and I think it should for reasons I will explain soon, you open up a third line that can do some damage:

Jamie McGinn - Logan Couture - Ryane Clowe

Jed Ortmeyer - Scott Nichol - Torrey Mitchell/Brad Staubitz

First, the caveats-- Torrey Mitchell has really been extremely disappointing this season, and although I have my reservations about putting him on a fourth line that is supposed to take the body on the forecheck and cycle down low, it's really the only place left to put him. I have never been a fan of Brad Staubitz as he takes way too many penalties but, and this is a pretty bold statement considering how much I am concerned about him, Staubitz may be a better fit here than Mitchell. If Staubitz stays out of the box I would not be adverse to scratching Mitchell during the playoffs. He has not made an impact on a single game all season.

Frazer McLaren is also an option here-- I wrote an article explaining why I preferred him over then-Shark Jody Shelley and Brad Staubitz earlier in the season, and those points still hold true today in my eyes. It's an area of the team that definitely has options.

The third line is great. It really is. Answers the secondary scoring question, can cycle down low as well as any third line in the league. Couture has excellent body positioning along the boards and protects the puck well-- same goes for the much maligned Ryane Clowe.

I do not like Scott Nichol on the third line with Jamie McGinn. McGinn needs a better centerman that can feed him the puck because as good of a role player Nichol is, he is a fourth line center through and through. This much is undebatable in my eyes. Unless Clowe manages to fight his way onto the second line and stick, Manny Malhotra deserves that spot. And if Manny Malhotra is not on the third line to work with McGinn, what better player to have on the roster than his former Ottawa 67 teammate?

Before Manny Malhotra was signed at the beginning of this season, I wrote an article explaining that Jamie McGinn is going to be a key to success for the San Jose Sharks in the scoring department. I don't think anything has changed. He will be a key fixture on how effective the team will be during The Months That Shall Not Be Named, and Logan Couture can help him get there. Scott Nichol, unfortunately, cannot.

The defensive pairings are relatively up in the air-- Wallin is serviceable, as I mentioned when he was brought over, but I think Rob Blake, even with all his faults, might still be the better player right now. If McLellan continues to try Wallin out with Dan Boyle as he did last night, maybe you can compose a Brad Lukowich type pairing-- one premier puck moving Olympian defenseman, one average depth defenseman who will be asked to do nothing more than stay behind the red line.

Maybe.

I really don't know what to do with the blueline, and frankly, I don't think it is going to matter all that much. You have two 5 guys (Wallin, Blake) forced to play in the top four right now, and whoever pairs with Boyle (Wallin, Murray) means that Vlasic is either with a legit top four (Murray) or one who should be playing on the bottom pairing (Blake).

It's frustrating.

At any rate, there is no telling what level Vlasic will be at when he returns from his knee injury. Pairings need to be set now, and it's pretty apparent that he will be playing with someone who he is familiar with when he returns. So does McLellan take one more crack at Blake-Vlasic in the hopes that they rekindle the magic from last year, or does he play it safe and go with players who are beginning to mesh right now? My guess is he goes with what he is meshing together right now, but as I mentioned, I'm still not enamored with how these pairings look:

Dan Boyle - Hamburgers Wallin

Marc Edouard Vlasic - Douglas Murray

Rob Blake - Kent Huskins

Goalie is obviously Evgeni Nabokov. I'll have more on him early next week.

 

Go Sharks.

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Good write up

I wonder what Helminen would look like in place of Staubitz and Mitchell. I think he’s a bit bigger than Mitchey and has more skill than Staubitz.

I like Couture on the 2nd line, but we have to see how well he’s playing now that his shoulder has recovered.

This stretch is going to be stressful.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

Helminen is also an option. I haven’t seen enough of him to really make a decision one way or another though.

This lineup is carrying 22 players right now. Room for one more, and I think Frazer McLaren would be a better bet in my eyes to fill it out.

I’m going to amend the post with McLaren, actually.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think McLaren cracks the playoff roster. I think he’s pictured more as an enforcer. He’ll probably only see limited time against a team like the Ducks or Flames.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s true, but he has seen a lot more time up with the big club than Helminen has. I don’t think he would be out of place on a checking line.

Either way, there’s a lot of options. And thankfully, the cap space now to try them out.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Who would have thought moving Shelley would open up so much room for us?

I’m betting they all get carried into the playoffs and McLellan gets some options.

That said, the Practice Nazi said hi to Demers and Helminen as they got shipped back to Worcester today (they claim to want a much better look at Leach and Wallin).

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots Of Hope

It almost doesn’t matter who the players are if they don’t do two things in the playoffs..One is to play with the sense of urgency that their opponents bring to the table..Number two is when they face adversity, instead of folding up like a cheap card table, you suck it up and play harder..

I have not seen the Sharks do either of these two necessary things over the last four years of playoffs..

I have been watching hockey and going to games for almost 50 years and if your going to go anywhere in the playoffs, you have to jack up the intensity and play with that desperation that you just won’t lose..I haven’t seen that in the Sharks for whatever reason..

I hope this year will be different..

by The Sear on Mar 3, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

I hate being in a place where we’re one injury away from seeing Joslin in the playoffs. Sorry, Afro.

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by stufflife on Mar 3, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

What about Demers?

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by jwizzle241 on Mar 3, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

And maybe Leach too.

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by idunno723 on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t know if y’all know this, but David Poile turned down a 1st and 3rd from SJS for Hamhuis.

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by Chris Burton on Mar 3, 2010 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

When did Hamhuis turn into a must have player?? First I can’t believe we offered that much and second how does Poile turn that deal down??

by The Sear on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Hamhuis is a top 2 defenseman, and David Poile wanted a scoring forward for him, no questions ask. I maintain Setoguchi or Clowe would’ve gotten it done.

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by Chris Burton on Mar 3, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Link please?

And I’m not sure I buy that report— San Jose would have to send players the other way, unless Vlasic took a setback and will not be returning for the playoffs.

Maybe you move Huskins for a pick if a Vlasic injury isn’t the case, but another shoe had to drop for that to happen.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I love these lines.

The top line is obviously awesome. As long as Gooch steps it up like he did last night.
The 2nd line is sooo crazy fast, and a good shutdown line.
The 3rd line has the Cooch-McGinn chemistry and Clowe who i think fits well as a 3rd liner.
The 4th line is responsible at least, and actually has a slight chance to score a goal or two.

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by jwizzle241 on Mar 3, 2010 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

And the 4th line being responsible is a important factor too. What one less Jody Shelley can do…

"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen

by idunno723 on Mar 3, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I like these line set ups..

and the pun thrown in there for “Hamburgers” Wallin. Made me chuckle…

by The Corv on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

From an interview… they asked what his favorite food was and he responded like a cave man “hamburgers”. Was pretty funny, at least I thought so.

by The Corv on Mar 3, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Here it is if you want to watch it.

"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen

by idunno723 on Mar 3, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The camera loves him, and he loves the camera. That guy has a career in television once he hangs up the skates.

by ievans on Mar 3, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

POST UPDATED

With this paragraph on Frazer McLaren (concerning fourth line winger):

Frazer McLaren is also an option here— I wrote an article explaining why I preferred him over then-Shark Jody Shelley and Brad Staubitz earlier in the season, and those points still hold true today in my eyes. It’s an area of the team that definitely has options.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

McLaren

Hmm
Then try this!
First line the same
Second line – Clowe or Malhotra
Third line – Nichol, Ortmeyer, Malhotra/Clowe
Fourth – McGinn/Mitchell/McLaren

What you think?

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Mar 3, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Ideas.

First line is perfect.
Second line – Patty/Pavs is good – idk about Clowe or Malhotra, but that shall be seen
Third line – Ortmeyer and McGinn if Malhotra or McGinn, Clowe, and Couture. Mitchell or Helminnen on the fourth line with Nichol and either Ortmeyer or Couture.

D-men:
Wallin-Boyle – the best Boyle can play with…I’m sorry – Murray isn’t as reliable in the Months-that-shall-not-be-named (I’m sorry – i just love that :D)
Blake-Vlasic – just give it one more try for magic D:
Murray- Huskins/Leach → See who is better Leach or Huskins and Demers isn’t reliable in the playoffs.

Overall, I’m a bit disappointed with what we’re entering the playoffs, but I wish the Sharks good luck, and will be rooting for them all the way!
GO SHARKS!!!!!
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by Dmitriy on Mar 3, 2010 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Murray was one of our better defensemen last year I thought. There were moments I thought he was an absolute beast out there (I recall 1 win where we were up by one goal and Murray basically froze the puck in the corner for the last minute and no amount of Ducks could pry it out of there.)

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree— he was arguably our best defenseman out there that series, and that seemed to be the point where he really turned the corner.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Wallin could work well with Vlasic if the coaching staff would want to keep Boyle/Murray together. Wallin/Boyle and Vlasic/Murray would probably work best, however.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m thinking that since Wallin hasn’t had time to practice with Vlasic, we won’t see them together.

McLellan will want pairing that have seen some battle time together.

"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense.

I just hope we don’t keep Murray/Blake together as a pair. They might be slower than molasses.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 3, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see the third line Plank proposed working out VERY well.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

I would probably disgree with the first line

Whilst Jumbo’s numbers on the face off aren’t bad, he gets kicked out of more face offs than he takes.

I would much rather have Marleau up on that line. I think if it was between Seto and Heater taking a faceoff draw, we might see Dan Boyle tell those two to step aside and let him handle it again!

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by Morti on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

Thornton gets kicked out so often because he cheats, and he cheats because he knows he has Marleau on the wing to step in if he’s thrown out. I’d imagine he gets kicked out less often when Marleau isn’t on the his line.

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by strongrobot on Mar 3, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Faceoffs are important, but generally don’t define a team’s success. That article is based on penalty kill numbers, but running the correlation for faceoff % tied with points %, you get an equally low number.

In big draw situations in the third period or whatever, sure, put Marleau on that line. That much is expected anyways, it’s not like a batting lineup in baseball where the order you turn in at the beginning of the game is one you will see in the ninth inning. We will see HTML together during the playoffs at points, even if McLellan is dead set on the lines in this article.

My point is, I don’t think composing lines based off whether or not Joe is going to get kicked out of the circle is something I would do. It doesn’t matter when you are taking shifts on the fly, and this balances out the scoring production.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a great article about faceoffs

But lets put it another way:

Would you rather lose faceoffs to a puck possession team like, say, Detroit or Chicago?

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by ElvisVF101 on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course not. But I think splitting up HTML into the lines above give us a better opportunity to win hockey games.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Completely…
While faceoffs are indeed important, this divides up the scoring and gets Seto going again.

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Joe's not a bad faceoff guy himself anyway

And it might help him in another way:

Joe is best on faceoffs when he’s engaged. WHEN he’s ENGAGED, he’s the best PLAYER in the world (Ovechkin might be the best scorer, I think Joe is the best player). Anything to get Joe going is fine by my book. But he HAS to be on.

Story of this team it seems.

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by ElvisVF101 on Mar 3, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I think I really like your proposed lines...

The first two lines are self explanatory. I’ve been an advocate of swapping Marleau and Seto for a while now. I love bringing up Couture to pair with McGinn on a third line. Putting Clowe with them is a must, I guess, because of his contract. But I’d almost rather them also call up Ferriero and just let Woostah’s first line terrorize the playoffs as our third line. Then you could have a fourth line (or, really, a 3b line, as I’d see it getting the same amount of PT as the rookie line), of Nichol-Orts-Clowe. That fourth line could definately score some goals, and would be pretty tough to play against.

Scratch Mitchell and Staubitz. I still think Mitchell is too small, and gets bodied off the puck way too easily. And in the playoffs, when you have to fight for every inch, that’s not a good thing. Staubitz would also be scratched, for obvious reasons.

The defense is pretty self explanatory, assuming everyone is healthy.

Well done. That’s a lineup that should be able to get shit done.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 3, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

Lets see these Line Combos

1st.
Heatley, Thornton, McGinn
2nd.
Marleau, Pavs, Seto
3rd.
Couture, Malhotra, Clowe
4th.
Stuabitz, Nicol, Ortmayer

we have speed and size on all 4 lines.

by ChangoT on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

I have a hard time justifying moving McGinn to the top line over Seto.

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by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d keep McGinn and Couture together since they have experience skating with one another on Worcester’s first line.

Seto works well with Joe. No reason not to use him there.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

How awesome will next season be

When you can go Ferrerio Couture McGinn?

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by ElvisVF101 on Mar 3, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, above I advocated doing that this year, and benching Mitchell. Doubt it will happen, but they’ve been awesome together…why not bring them all up?

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t see McGinn as 1st line. I really like the idea of Patty, Pavs, and Manny as one line and Heater, Jumbo, and Seto together. That’s a very powerful top two lines.

by The Corv on Mar 3, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way I want to see Couture in the Playoffs

…is if he spends the rest of the regular season up with the big club on a decent line. Seriously…the guy hasnt been impressive at all when he’s been up, and you want to just throw him into a playoff scenario and ask him to contribute on the score sheet? Good luck with that!

In the 12 games he’s played…he’s got 2 pts.

A top line with Joe and Heater needs a “gopher”. Someone to chase down the puck, create turnovers, and actually be able to do something with the puck when they get it. Marleau is the best “gopher” on the team, but putting him on the 2nd line with Pavs and Manny makes more sense in the big picture. Can Seto be that top line “gopher”? Or is he gonna try to play the same role as Heater, just camping out in the slot hoping Joe makes an amazing play and gets him the puck. Seto, in order to be successful, needs to continue to be a strong forechecker and not turn into Heatley 2.0.

by BillytheSid on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

In 12 games he’s played (on the fourth line) he’s got 2 points.

Lemme tell ya little somethin about Logan Couture.

Couture averages 1.34 PPG in the AHL. Best on the team.

Despite only playing 35 games, Couture is 2nd in the AHL in rookie scoring with 48 points (19-29-48). He’s 1st among rookies with 19 goals and 4th among rookies with 29 assists. He’s second to only Zalewski on the Worcester Sharks in goals (20).

Although primarily a playmaker, Logan leads the AHL with eight game winning goals in just 36 games played.

So you’re telling me that Couture, with consistent line mates that aren’t Shelley and Staubitz, wouldn’t be deserving of a roster spot. Hmmm….

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by TCY on Mar 3, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

TCY?

Are you a fan of Logan or something?

Seriously though, we’re all behind you. Logan’s been good in games in which his linemates have not been Shelley and Staubitz (Detroit anyone?). Would love to see what he could do with the big club if he had legitimate NHL players on his wings.

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by ElvisVF101 on Mar 3, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to see how many points Jumbo would have with 12 games played with Shelley and Staubitz as his wingers.

Can’t be much worse than the 2 points he put up in the Olympics…

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by Evilducks on Mar 3, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't misunderstand...

I would love Couture to get the shot he deserves, but if you seriously want him in the lineup come playoff time…he’s gotta be here now. You can’t just drop him in unproven at the NHL level in the playoffs.

Sure he’s been on the 4th line whenever he’s been up…but great players play great no matter who they’re out there with.

by BillytheSid on Mar 3, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

but great players play great no matter who they’re out there with.

I think he’s played very well. Great players don’t always show up on the score sheet every game. But they do make their presence felt. In my opinion, Logan works hard every time he’s on the ice.

I do agree with you though. He needs to be up here now. I think we see him with the club sooner rather than later, especially now that no additional cap room need be created.

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by TCY on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Feedback.

Fourth line should be McGinn/Couture/Helminnen – that line would score a lot
Third line of Ortmeyer/Nichol/Clowe or Malhotra would be the hard forchecking line, and the first two line will have balanced scoring.

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Mar 3, 2010 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

one more thing.

Staubitz is a waste of a roster spot – only takes dumb penalties and Mitchell is an option instead of Helminnen. McLaren could be on there also.

Go Sharks!

by Dmitriy on Mar 3, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

OT--if anyone cares US Sports is showing a replay of the Canada v USA game.

  It’s on 187 on comcast. I’ll turn it off in OT though…

And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?

"Hit more people."

by MiniMiteMom on Mar 3, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Its over we are going to choke again.

We are the Sharks, its what we do. It happens when you have horrible players like Thornton, Heatley, Marleau, Nabokov. They all suck. The Sharks are the biggest chokers in all of sports history. If only we had Sydney Crosby, we could win the Cup and not choke. But we don’t, because we are on the west coast.

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by Diamondback15 on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

I know you are kidding...

but that statement about Crosby still made me sick to my stomach.

by The Corv on Mar 3, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t know you worked for Puck Daddy ;)

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 4, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Great analysis guys

I think that 3rd line is awesome, but I agree with most here that if it is to happen, Couture has to come up now.

Does the salary cap end after the trade deadline or when the playoffs start? I know the Sharks cleared out Shelly, but do we really have the room to bring up two guys with a cap hit of a million dollars (McGinn and Couture)?

If so, I say stick that third line out there. I would like to see if Manny-Pavs-Seto can gel again, they looked very good before Manny got hurt. I think Pavs and Seto just need a guy that can skate with them (and doesn’t hang on the sideboards the whole night).

The 4th line? Who should get those lucky 6-8 minutes… I guess I would keep Mitchell, as he does do well on the penalty kill (I think, Plank, Mitchell hasn’t impacted a game OFFENSIVELY, defensively he has been quite good albeit against weak competition). Ortmeyer has earned his spot. Nichol rounds out the bottom group of course.

D pairings… man, I dunno. Those are as good as any, Plank. Man, would the Sharks really stick Blake on the 3rd pair? That would be great, 16 minutes of effective Rob Blake.

by ruben398 on Mar 3, 2010 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

The salary cap ends when the playoffs start, but McGinn and Couture won’t hit their bonuses this season; therefore they won’t be making 1M+. Just pay attention to their salary numbers. Couture is something like $816 K over the course of a full season.

I agree with you and BillytheSid— he needs to be up now if he wants to crack the playoff roster. I hope it didn’t sound like I was advocating for him not to see minute of NHL time until the playoffs and then, boom!, he deserves a roster spot.

I hear ya on Mitchell, but I don’t know, I’m just not sold. I think if Staubitz stays out of the box (big if) he might be a better fit for that line and can make an impact on the forecheck— they’re going to see plugger minutes anyways, and should be able to wear down opposing defenseman over the course of a series. That’s the one upside with Staubitz. We have a ton of PK forwards as well, Mitchell sees something like half a buck on that unit anyways.

Who knows if they stick Blake on the third pairing. Sort of makes the decision to give him the C look a little dumb, but at the end of the day McLellan is trying to win hockey games— aesthetics probably won’t play that big of a role in his decision. As mentioned in the Devils recap they seem to be trying out Wallin/Huskins with Boyle, and I think he might end up with him. I don’t really care though— both are 5 guys (Blake’s a tweener 4) right now, so however they shake up probably won’t make a difference.

I need to see Vlasic back to really make an informed decision there. Hell, I really need to see Vlasic back just to try and get sane again.

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by Mr. Plank on Mar 3, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What about just bringing up the entire Woostah first line, and use it as our third? If we’re already calling up Couture and McGinn, why not Ferriero too? They have the chemistry of working together, and could be a real spark for us! Just scratch Mitchell and Staubitz.

Thoughts? Could we fit calling all three up under the cap space we have left?

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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 4, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Just my two cents

Jumbo/ Heatley / Seto

McGinn/Pavelski/ Couture

Malholtra/Nichol/Mclaren

Clowe/Ortmeyer/ Mitchell, but only because everyone else on this line is useless

D-men:

Boyle – Vlasic

Blake – Murray

Wallin – Joslin

Huskins – anyone but Clowe

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 4, 2010 1:50 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah i think those lines are perfect Plank. If Staubitz plays like did last night then he’d do really well on that fourth line. Otherwise it’s a tough decision. I’d have to see more of Mclaren before putting him on the fourth line in place of Staubitz or Mitchell.

by Khaaz on Mar 4, 2010 3:10 AM PST reply actions  

"Complete Sharks trade deadline coverage"

was the headline for the nhl newsletter email i got today. that has GOT to be the most exciting way to say “NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!! WHEEEE!!!!”

by ChristieC on Mar 4, 2010 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

I know it is a crazy idea but....

I think spreading out the scoring even more is the way to go. Three good (not great) forward lines and a speedy checking line that takes away time and space.

Heatley – Thornton – Malhotra
Clowe – Marleau – Pavelski
McGinn – Couture – Setoguchi
Mitchell – Nichol – Ortmeyer

Malhotra is not a top 3 forward, especially on this team. What Manny brings to the top line is speed, centering and a wicked shot. With all the attention on Joe and Dany, Manny could get a fair amount of good shots. Manny is great in the faceoff circle so Joe can continue to cheat. Moving Seto to the third line spreads out depth…he would be on the second line but he doesn’t seem to work well with Pavs. The third line is the real advantage here. Skill, speed, and decent checking makes this line a deadly threat. Obvious weakness is the lack of experience and in the faceoff circle. Third line would be good on the defensive end and with all that speed and skill could be the difference in tight games. Fourth line is pure grit and speed, good faceoff abilities, a solid checking line IMO.

On defense it pretty much is what it is.

Boyle – Murray
Blake – Vlasic
Huskins – Wallin

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Mar 5, 2010 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

Uh, I can’t get behind this.

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by TCY on Mar 5, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My Sharks 2010 Playoff Lines

Heatley – Thornton – Clowe
Pavelski – Marleau – Malhotra
Ortmeyer – Nichol – Setoguchi
McGinn – Couture – Mitchell

Boyle – Blake
Murray – Demers
Huskins – Wallin

Vlassic scratch

by stingfeyd on Mar 8, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

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