Play of McGinn & Couture could help determine outcome of playoffs, offseason
Spoke to Sharks front office source two hours ago and they said it was pretty quiet for them after making Wallin deal. They like their kids pushing in Demers and Couture, etc... I suspect they might do something if it's a great bargain but otherwise stay put.
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And so that's what happened. Doug Wilson couldn't find a great bargain (in a day that few teams could), and chose to stick with his team.
However, one pre-deadline deal that the Sharks did make changed the landscape of the team. By moving Jody Shelley for a conditional draft pick, the Sharks freed up enough roster space to carry prospects Jamie McGinn, Logan Couture, Jason Demers and others.
We've discussed Couture and Jamie McGinn as the season has progressed. Plank presented our optimal line combinations Wednesday, and you'll notice that the third line includes both McGinn and Couture. That combination seems even more likely now, with Nichol suffering what looked like a troubling shoulder injury at the hands (and stick) of Maxim Lapierre. Until he returns to the lineup, it's a perfect time for Couture and McGinn to prove themselves.
It's not just that we're high on these players, but it's also reflective of the talent they've shown in both the AHL and NHL levels. McGinn would likely have close to 20 goals with consistent line mates and the ability to practice with the NHL club. Couture, who has admittedly less NHL experience to back up our assessment, impressed us in training camp, and is one of the top scoring rookies in the AHL (48 P in 37 GP). At that pace, he'd have scored 77 points in 60 AHL games, which would be good for third in that league.
I'm not saying that it's a guarantee that Couture would have played 60 games as a better than a point per game player. What I am saying is that his play in the AHL is deserving of an NHL roster spot. Once there, he and McGinn could change the perspective of Sharks fans going forward.
The Sharks have not recently had a prospect with quite as much AHL scoring acumen as Couture. Pavelski (18 P in 16 GP) and Setoguchi (19 P in 25 GP) were close, but Logan now has more AHL experience and a better resume to this point in his minor league career.
He's ready for the big time.
So is McGinn, but we've seen that. While he's gotten more NHL ice time than his former Ottawa 67's teammate, he's been playing with the Nichol's and Shelley's of the world. The times that he's played with those forwards he's shown how electrifying he can be as a forechecker, he hasn't really had a chance to show off his offensive skills. As Plank said yesterday:
Before Manny Malhotra was signed at the beginning of this season, I wrote an article explaining that Jamie McGinn is going to be a key to success for the San Jose Sharks in the scoring department. I don't think anything has changed. He will be a key fixture on how effective the team will be during The Months That Shall Not Be Named, and Logan Couture can help him get there. Scott Nichol, unfortunately, cannot.
So, a line combination where Couture and McGinn get to play off the chemistry they've established is optimal for not only their success, but also the success of the San Jose Sharks. In a recent interview with Fear the Fin, McGinn talked about the benefit of playing with Couture.
"We played together a lot in Ottawa, and before he got injured we were playing a lot together here in Worcester. It didn't take long to get the chemistry back. He is one of those guys where I seem to know where he is on the ice at all times, and he knows where I am. He just seems to be able to put the puck in the net and be able to put it on my stick and vice versa. It's nice to have that."
If Couture and McGinn can translate that success to the NHL, I'll be much more comfortable with the Sharks heading into the playoffs. Although Heatley, Thornton and Marleau will be counted on for much of the scoring, the second and third lines will have to chip in offensively to lead to any postseason success. We saw what a lack of secondary scoring can do to a team last year. I would hate to see the same problem rear its ugly head this year. Couture and McGinn do not guarantee that scoring, but they are much more capable of putting up points than a combination of Jed Ortmeyer and Scott Nichol.
I'm not saying there aren't problems with the defense too, but those issues aren't really addressable in house. Leach, Huskins, Joslin and Demers are practically interchangeable on the bottom pairing, with each one contributing a different skill set to the mix. None of them, though, are expected to bring the impact that Couture and McGinn could. Now that the deadline has passed, that's pretty much the teams best option going forward.
This needs to happen soon, not only to see what the duo can contribute down the stretch, but also to figure out their place on the team going forward. This offseason, although it will be stressful regardless of what happens, could be made easier knowing Couture and McGinn are able to play effectively on the NHL roster.
(Note: I know I've harped on people for talking about trades over the last few days, and I'm being a bit of a hypocrite here. However, this will be the last time I mention the offseason and the moves we've made or will need to make, so bear with me) We've talked at length about trading Ryane Clowe and his $3.625MM cap hit to facilitate the increasing contracts of RFA's Joe Pavelski and Devin Setoguchi and the expiring contracts of UFA's Patrick Marleau and Evgeni Nabokov. Wouldn't that be easier if you knew his scoring could be replaced by that of McGinn or Couture? Manny Malhotra, a player who signed at a price significantly below fair market value, is also a pending UFA. His contract could probably be accommodated as well, if Clowe was moved in favor of the younger prospects.
The Sharks also have some issues on defense that need solving in the offseason. The average age for the current starters on the backend (including 22 year old burgeoning star Marc-Edouard Vlasic) is 31, and both Wallin and Blake will be free agents at the end of the season. Although it's expected that Blake (and possibly Wallin) will be resigned (god willing, at a lower price), there will be changes to the blue line. Wilson might feel confident enough in Demers or Joslin to make them a starter, but I doubt that he doesn't try to find an upgrade, especially if the Sharks fall short again.
To this point, though, Wilson felt confident enough with his rookies not to trade assets for a rental this season. Here's hoping that confidence continues, and he gives those players a chance to prove him right.
Go Sharks.
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Great article TCY
It would be great to see what Couture and McGinn could do on a line together in the NHL. Who would you have as the third skater on their line? Would they be your 3rd or 4th line?
As Plank mentioned on Tuesday, we’d like Clowe to play on the other wing to complete the third line.
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by TCY on Mar 5, 2010 10:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’d feel pretty confident in a Clowe/Couture/McGinn 3rd line. I’d be really excited to see what kind of spark they could provide for the offense once they got into a groove and reestablished their chemistry together. I agree, it could be the difference over the next few months.
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It would be great if the team gave that group a nice 10 game tryout with 13-14 minutes a game to see how effective they can become. That line would surely be the most offensively skilled 3rd line the team has had in a long time.
by ruben398 on Mar 5, 2010 10:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Do you guys think that line would be responsible enough defensively? At this point that is really the only concern I would have about it.
Couture is one of the best two way players in the system. He’s an amazing defensive player, however, it does limit him somewhat offensively. I’m fine with McGinn defensively, I think it would be good enough to make up for Clowe.
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Good to hear that you are confident about that aspect of it. I have’t seen enough of Couture to really make a judgment myself.
by sharks in oc on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
He’s actually a smidge bigger than Pavs.
Couture: 6’1, 196
Pavelski: 5’11, 194
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Couture could stand to add about 15 pounds this summer.
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Agreed.
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by TCY on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Couture is basically just a young Pavs except Logan looks like Alvin the Chipmunk and Joe looks like I would kiss him on the cheek and bake him blueberry muffins
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by Mr. Plank on Mar 5, 2010 11:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well said.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 5, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I would rather see Clowe...
Moved up to the 2nd line with Marleau and Pavs, and Malhotra be the guy righting the rookie ship on the third line. For 2 reasons:
1st: For as sound defensively as you say Couture is, he and McGinn are still rookies and will both make some dumb mistakes, and frankly I don’t trust Ryan Clowe to be the guy who bails them out. Malhotra I could see, though. Malhotra can also be that guy to take a clutch faceoff if that line ever gets stuck out there on an icing call late in a shift.
2nd: Ryan Clowe needs to play with Pavs and Marleau. He can’t create on his own, and the great forechecking/puck possession of Pavs and Marleau can only jumpstart his offensive production.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I’d like to see Mclellan try both Clowe and Malhotra on that 3rd line to see how it goes. I feel like Clowe really needs SOMETHING to get him going, and maybe he can find some chemistry with Mcginn and Couture. Malhotra really does make more sense on that line though now that i think about it.
Honestly..
I think Clowe would be more of a detriment to Pavs/Patty then a help. Keep Manny where he is, IMO
lol man the more I think about it the more i reeeaally wish we traded Clowe. I think he’d be somewhat of a detriment to both lines really, more so of a detriment to Couture and Mcginn though i think.
Patty and Pavs are both already great in the faceoff circle and great defensively. They really don’ t need Manny, and at the very least they could just use Clowe to catch pucks along the boards and dish them back out to the point or to center as a poor mans Joe Thornton (an extremely poor man). A guy like Manny would really help Couture/Mcginn in a lot of different ways though; most obviously in the faceoff circle and defensively.
I just really like the way Marleau, Malhotra and Pavelski have played together. When Clowe’s on that second line, it just doesn’t click the same.
I could see Logan and McGinn working a low cycle, which is something Clowe is adept at. He’s great on the boards, and could get back in front of the net where he belongs.
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3 bona fide centers on one line though??
I get what you’re saying about Manny, Pavs, Patty. They are making a hell of a 2nd line. Then again, Malhotra made Mitchell look awesome last night too. Malhotra seems to make ANY line he’s on significantly better. I mean, the guy has been much better than his price tag. Outside of Patty, he might be the most well-rounded player on the team.
A line with 2 rookies and Clowe just does not sit well with me and could be a real liability. Sure they might work a good cycle down in the offensive end…but how would that line’s d-zone coverage look? And breakouts? I just dont buy it with Clowe and 2 Rookies. Manny, on the other hand, would make that line much better defensively, and wouldnt take away any offensive punch.
Lets remember…in playoffs, you can shut down a team’s top 2 lines, so you want your 3rd line, who will be going up against the opposition’s bottom d-pairing a lot of times, to be as good as possible. Manny just makes that Rookie 3rd line better OVERALL. I can live with sacrificing a bit of 2nd line chemistry if it means establishing a SOLID 3rd line.
How's Couture on faceoffs, anyway?
Having the #1 faceoff guy in the league between 2 rookies would be a huge boon as well.
Couture is a very good player in all defensive aspects of the game, including faceoffs. He’s no Malhotra, but I’d look for a 52-54% from him.
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by TCY on Mar 5, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think Atlanta offered him 8 mil for 4 years and he signed with us instead.
I think if he plays like he is now for the Sharks, he’s still a great bargain at that price. Needs to stay healthy though.
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4 years, $1.5M
I’d offer him that. Maybe 3 years if you’re really hedging or worried, but guy has earned at least a realistic offer from us next season. If he walks for someplace that’ll offer him more cash, that’s up to him, but we should at least make a competitive effort to keep him.
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I’d give him $2MM for 3 years.
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by TCY on Mar 5, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I hope it’s Couture time on Saturday, although if we lost him for a while, it’s a bad sign for off season.
Isn’t it about time we interviewed Couture?
I’d love a Couture interview.
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by c.perez on Mar 5, 2010 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions

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