Is Evgeni Nabokov seeing too much time between the pipes?
San Jose Sharks goaltender Evgeni Nabokov has my vote for Team MVP this season.
Going into Thursday's game against Nashville, Nabokov will bring a .927 SV% to the table, good for third in the league amongst qualifying starters. He sees an average of 31.3 shots per night, or in other words, the Sharks defense is ranked 22nd in the league in terms of this metric. For all of the defensive issues and miscues that have plagued San Jose since the outset of this season, Nabokov has been steady and reliable; a presence between the pipes that has masked those lapses and kept the team in the business of winning hockey games. He may not be the sole reason the Sharks have been flirting with the top of the Western Conference standings all season, but he definitely is the biggest.
Which makes it all the more important that he is handled correctly by the coaching staff. And in my opinion, he hasn't been. This is what I had to say at the beginning of the year when taking a look at the roster:
Nabby dealt with some lower body injuries during pockets of last season, and his increasing age makes him more susceptible to that. I wouldn't mind somewhere in the GS range of 58-24 between the pipes. It's a damn near lock San Jose makes the playoffs, and testing out the pipeline can only improve Wilson's decision making in the future.
There seems to be an assertion amongst Sharks fans that Nabokov is at his best when is seeing a lot of starts. This likely stems from three situations:
1) His first year in the league where he saw 66 starts en route to a Calder Trophy. It cemented him as a fan favorite in San Jose, and served as a priming function when discussing Nabokov from then onwards.
2) The two seasons following the lockout where he split time with Vesa Toskala. Nabokov was atrocious in 05-06, putting up a .885 SV% and failing to start a single game in the playoffs. Head coach Ron Wilson continued to split the starts in 06-07, and Nabokov struggled until mid-February where he was given the starting role outright and logged big minutes down the stretch.
3) His 2007-2008 campaign, where he played an astounding 77 games and was nominated for the Vezina Trophy.
However, the statistics just don't back up that assertion.
Here are Nabokov's six legitimate playoff runs where he was the starting goaltender in at least half of the team's postseason games:
Essentially, whenever Nabokov stays under sixty starts during the course of the regular season he excels during the playoffs and improves his totals; whenever he climbs above sixty starts, his numbers drop.
If you include the Olympics in this year's totals, Nabokov will make his sixtieth appearance Thursday night against the Nashville Predators.
Those pre-lockout numbers don't necessarily concern me however. They provide a nice backbone to a study such as this of course, but Nabokov is at a different point in his career now with increasing age effecting his performance. It is more beneficial to look at the last three seasons of play and see how his SV% reacts to the number of games he plays in:
Looking at the chart, it's pretty easy to see the effect Ron Wilson had on Nabokov by riding him for that many games in 07-08. Around the 45 game mark that workload really began to take it's toll, and a great beginning to the year was essentially spoiled as the games increased. That, in and of itself, should blow the "Nabokov plays better when he starts more" theory out of the water.
Evgeni Nabokov is currently on pace to start 70 NHL games. The coaching staff has not given Greiss more than three starts in any month this season, and with the stretch run upon us, I suspect that philosophy will not change. Tack on an extra three games for Nabokov's stint with Russia in the Olympics and it's safe to consider this year 07-08 territory in terms of games played for the Shark netminder.
The positives? Nabokov's SV% has not undergone the same transformation as it did that fateful year, staying in the .920-.930 block all season long. He is in the midst of a Vezina-caliber season, and will be playing for a contract next offseason.
So does this strong play continue as the number of games increase? Does he regress to his career average SV% based off the possibility that the first five months of the season were statistical outliers? Or does an increased workload begin to take it's toll and decrease his effectiveness?
Only time will tell. But if history is any indication, it probably should have never gotten to this point to begin with.
Go Sharks.
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Awesome piece Plank. I’ve also been a huge skeptic of many fans’ claims that he’s best when he makes a ton of starts, if for no other reason than he’s human and will benefit from occasional rest like any other human. That, and he’s 34 (we actually share the same birthday month and day). Considering how Greiss stood on his head against a surging Phoenix team on New Year’s Eve, I’m amazed he hasn’t gotten more starts on his own merits, let alone for the purpose of giving Nabby some rest.
by OtherKid on Mar 8, 2010 7:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure this is fair:
“Essentially, whenever Nabokov stays under sixty starts during the course of the regular season he excels during the playoffs and improves his totals; whenever he climbs above sixty starts, his numbers drop.”
The fact that his increase from 59 to 62 starts resulted in a HUGE decrease in performance suggests that there’s probably some other, much more important, factors that determine success in the playoffs.
by Very Serious Person on Mar 8, 2010 7:49 AM PST reply actions
I always wonder how these stats relate to things like goal support and zone time etc. Also how do his stats in the playoffs against his opponent compare to his stats against that same opponent during that regular season?
If you shutout the bottom feeders all year and get run by Detroit and Anaheim and Dallas are the stats in the postseason simply reflecting Nabby and the Team’s play all season? Or to put it differently, are the playoff statistics reflecting the Shark’s ability vs playoff quality teams or is there a true drop off.
An easy example is San Jose usually seems to get whupped in Detroit so in a playoff series in Detroit it would not be surprising, win or lose, to see the teams stats show a decline.
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I'm inclined to agree
Statistics can be very misleading sometime, especially if other contributing factors are ignored.
I don’t want to disparage the work Plank has done, it looks well thought out and like a a great deal of hard work and I’m appreciative because it is interesting and gives some food for thought, but I’m still a little skeptical.
There are so many other factors coming into play here.
For example, wasn’t Nabby playing with an injury last year in the playoffs? And like Aero said, maybe it’s the teams we played that have an effect on the stats (not that that’s much more encouraging).
Honestly, I’m not inclined to trust these stats implying one thing or the other. All i get from this as it isn’t proof that he’s any better or worse with a lot of starts.
As long as Nabby keeps playing well though, I’m happy.
But at this point, what do you do? If his numbers drop, do you bench him? Let him come like that into the playoffs? Let him play through and regain his form at the risk of tiring him out?
I suppose the logical response would be do rest him while he’s still doing well, but that runs the risk of f*cking with his game and getting him out of his groove.
So I dunno. We’ll see.
worried
I like Nabby, I think he’s a very good goalie but Im still alittle worried about my Sharks and this years playoffs. Especially if we play Detroit or Anaheim.
Nabby’s got to play like like he did in the 2004 playoffs. If he doesn’t play good in the first couple of games I think they should ride Thomas Greiss
well I don’t think we need to worry bout the Ducks (huge smiles), but the Wings have always been good and it’s not just Nabby we need to worry bout, but the performance of all the Sharks when playing against them.
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by ang6666 on Mar 8, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
As far as I’m concerned, I’m never counting the Ducks out until it’s either clear that they’re not making the playoffs, or until there’s 5 minutes left in a game that will eliminate them from said playoffs. There are still some scary good players on that team, including Hiller who seems to be gearing up for another legitimate playoff push.
I haven’t completely counted them out … but each game it’s getting closer … almost to that “point of no return”
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by ang6666 on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely. I actually hadn’t glanced at the WC standings in a while, and while they’re kind of far out in the rankings, the point totals around those barely in or just outside the playoffs are all really close. Then again, I don’t expect the Wings to surrender their spot considering they’re healthy again.
by OtherKid on Mar 8, 2010 12:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i dunno about riding Greiss anywhere.
All this talk about clutch or choking or whatever is always heavy into fan bias. Very few goalies steal games or a series and even if they do, it doesn’t always translate into the cup because it doesn’t always matter what you do, since there are 5 guys in front of you to be heros or chumps and 6 other guys across from you trying to do the same…and refs… and friggin luck and injury and attitude and other stuff.
Point is, is your guy good enough to give you a good chance of winning or not?
If you just went by best records after the 82 game season and gave away the cup the sharks would be the champs or just about the champs for many of the last few years. Cuz they have a very strong roster. Shorten your tournament to 5 or 7 games or even harder, single elimination, and you are more likely to have a surprising result.
Bottom line is that the Sharks are very good, Nabokov included, but they must be their best when the sample size is at its smallest (in the playoffs) or there is no reward.
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I might be a little slow,
but the data still isn’t proving to me that Nabby is better off with fewer games. Out of the three years that are shown on the line graph, all of them end within 5 100ths of each other, including a year where he played less and ended with a worse save percentage.
I see your point in 03-04 where he only played 59 games and ended with a SV% DIF of +1.4. However if you look at year 08-09 where he only played 3 more games than 03-04, Nabby had an atrocious -2.0 SV% DIF. (granted that was the year of his injury).
My only argument for giving Nabby more games lies within the line graph. He has a pretty consistent SV% in year 07-08 from around game 55 through the end of the regular season. So even if the SV% isn’t great, it at least seems to me that Nabby is physically and mentally consistent.
IMHO
by SharksFanTillDeath on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM PST reply actions
The numbers are interesting certainly
But the biggest factor is much simpler in my mind:
Evgeni Nabokov’s best years were wasted on very middling Sharks teams.
It takes a lot to build a winner. You need solid D, depth at forward, and great goaltending.
Should this current team fail to win a Cup, I think we’ll be asking ourselves what could have been if we had the pre-lockout Nabby with Joe. In Joe’s first season with the team, he was all-world. He’s still one of the best, no doubt, but he’s far from HIS best. Before the lockout, Nabby was the best goaltender in the world for my money. But, he’s a Warren Strelow goaltender, and age catches up to them. Kipper has admitted to age being a factor in his modest decline. Toskala is all but washed up.
Nabby is still a darned good goaltender, but he’s not his best anymore either.
I do still believe this team can win a Cup, but they’re going to have to fight that much harder for it.
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How fitting is it that you have a post on Nabby and Behind the Net has a post the same day about Are Expensive Goaltenders Worth the Money? with Nabby as the main mention.
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by ang6666 on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions
I’ve been looking at this from the other side of the debate, actually. I wanted Nabby to get fewer starts because I wanted to get a look at (and the team to get a look at) what they had in Greiss. With Nabby being a UFA this offseason, it would have been really, really beneficial to know what we had in Greiss, and to get him some real NHL experience, so if we did have to roll with him next season, it wouldn’t be a complete unknown. It baffles me that the Sharks didn’t seem to care what they had in Greiss and essentially let him waste an entire year riding the pine behind Nabokov.
As far as how Nabby will play in the playoffs with his current workload…well, only time will tell. He could be lights out, he could fade. I think it’ll be pretty impossible to tell until we get there. Goalies are streaky.
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I've been thinking
What if we let Nabby walk in the offseason and go after a guy like Dan Ellis from Nashville and platoon him and Greiss next year?
We’ll get a better look at Greiss and see what we actually have, and have a proven NHL goalie in the tandum?
I don’t know how much Ellis is going to command, but I can’t think it would be Nabokov money.
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I have been in this boat for a long time, especially if Nabokov commands the contract that usually befits someone in his situation (aging veteran coming off a career year = 3+ years at roughly the same salary he was making last season).
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Ellis is the best Free agent goalie I would consider going after. What others have you noticed out there?
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That’s the problem— there’s really no one out there who is a UFA (besides Martin Biron, which gets a huge meh from me) who could be considered a true number one to protect Greiss. It’s a difficult decision, but your comment actually inspired me to write something that I hope to have on the front page by two PM.
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Halak is a UFA
You could argue that he would make a great starter.
Also Carey Price is a UFA too. Although I only mention him because a goaltending tandem of Price and Greiss is making Randy Hahn’s play by play panties wet.
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Halak and Price are both RFA’s.
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Sad realities of the business end of things
Nabby is going to have one of his best seasons in Teal, and because of the cap, he’s going to be asked to take less money to stay here.
Given the number of people needing to be resigned that are essential to the team’s success, plus the areas that need improvement, and the team simply can’t afford to put $5M in net. At least, now who I see needing to be resigned.
If Nabby takes a paycut, he’s a homer for sure. If he doesn’t, then he’s a guy who believes he’s an elite goaltender who deserves what he makes. Either is fine really.
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Even if there is a lot of healthy (and definitely reasonable) disagreement in here, at least it made the front page of Nhl.com:

Score one for controversy.
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Front Page Plank
That’s what we call you
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You gotta scroll down, it’s after the picture of the kids holding up Ryan Miller posters. It says, "Ye olde “Is Evgeni Nabokov(notes) being overplayed?” argument for the San Jose Sharks. [Fear The Fin]"
He also links to this article talking about how the top 3 teams in the league inlcuding the Sharks, Capitals and Blackhawks do not have clutch goaltending. I haven’t had a chance to read it yet cuz im at work but…sadface.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/32018-THNcom-Blog-Copious-crease-concerns-for-contenders.html
Nothing new...
Further west in San Jose, the Sharks are facing another post-season with high expectations and even higher levels of anxiety. Stopper Evgeni Nabokov was stomped in the Olympics and, like Huet, his statistics bear a closer look.
For Nabby, the problem seems to be tight affairs, which tend to come up a lot in the post-season. Nabokov is one of the league leaders in overtime losses this season with nine and he has only posted two shutouts in 56 games. Over the course of his NHL career, the Russian netminder has usually been good for at least six goose eggs during the regular season.
[…]And none of Chicago, San Jose or Washington play two-way hockey like recent Detroit teams.
Just the same stuff over and over again.
by ilooklikeafat16 on Mar 8, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
If The Shoe Fits
Until the team can get over the hump and at least get to the Stanley cup finals, Nabby and the rest of the team will not ever hear the end of it..Lets be honest, most people in the league consider the Sharks the NHL’s biggest underachievers and choke artists..
Lets hope the team finally gets so upset with this reputation that they play with the sense of urgency and intensity that has been missing from them for the
last few years..
Complete Non-Sequeter...
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and he has only posted two shutouts in 56 games
But that’s from the NHL rule mandating that Sharks goalies aren’t allowed to get shutouts, therefore does not count as an argument.
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Fools and Sages
Obviously we don’t have enough data to definitely say that Nabby plays better when he gets lets starts, but at the very least the data should tell us that he probably doesn’t play better when he gets more starts; and taking into consideration the fact that he’s a human being who’s in his mid 30’s, it should be common sense to assume that he’d play as good or better with fewer starts and more rest. I think that’s what Plank is getting at really.
No matter what, Nabby shouldn’t have gotten so many starts. If Nabby really does play better when he’s playing a lot of games, then we could’ve just had him start every game for a week or two going into the playoffs, but theres no reason he should’ve played so many games earlier in the season.
They should’ve let Nabby rest more and given Greiss a better look since he could (should imo, assuming he looked good) be our guy next year.
HERES THE BEST PICS OF NABBYS NEW MASK EVERYONE
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I DIDNT POST THAT ONE BECAUSE ITS FREAKIN HUGE
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 8, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions
Somebody needs to draw some nips on that thing
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Why are there horses on his helmet?
Seahorses? Terrible. Bring back the skeletons.
by ilooklikeafat16 on Mar 8, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping for real sea horses. Sadly I was disappointed.
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POSEIDON RODE ON THEM DUH
HE DIDNT RIDE STUPID SKELETONS
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
he is a god. You can do that kinda stuff when you’re a god.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
I'm pretty sure Dan Boyle does this during the offseason
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Dan Boyle, also a god.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
I WANT EPIC BEARD MAN PHOTOSHOPPED ON HIS FACE
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 8, 2010 12:06 PM PST reply actions
A lot of negativity here, my friends. I’m working on a piece today on Nabokov for tomorrow that will hopefully instill a small hope or two in your souls as we approach the dreaded end of the regular season. Let’s beat the subject to death and leave it at rest.
It is a human tendency to only remember the present while completely ignoring the history.
New Nabokov article here.
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When you look at the numbers you can get burned…see anyone who has relied on Toskala after he “padded” his stats in San Jose…(and I always liked Toskala)
Maybe the Sharks as a whole are making Nabby look better than he is? or maybe as many, including the Mr. have suggested, Nabby is the team MVP and declines in his playoff numbers are a reflection of what happens between the teams out in front of him during pressure packed playoff pushes.
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Yes
When you look at his save percentages in the playoffs, his best years were when he played less than 60 games..Now he is in his middle 30’s and they are playing him more than ever..Whats that all about??
Now one other thing I must mention in Nabby’s defense, the Sharks haven’t play with the sense of urgency and passion that their opponents have in the playoffs, so his numbers could also reflect that..
The playoff problem is team wide, its certainly not all about Nabby, even though his five hole last year was wide open, but I also remember game four of the Anaheim series when the whole team didn’t show up..
God these memories suck and lets hope we can make some positive memories in this playoff season..
If you put together all of the Sharks post season flaws
You find that they don’t get good goaltending, they have soft D, and they don’t get enough scoring.
Simply put, EVERYONE needs to step up. EVERYONE. If ONE of them does, that’s nice, but one solid area does not a Cup win. All or nothing.
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