Will Evgeni Nabokov Save or Condemn the Sharks?
Yesterday Plank presented us with a statistical breakdown of Nabby's career with San Jose Sharks. In his article he argued that perhaps Evgeni Nabokov is getting too many starts this season which may negatively impact his post season form. Not only that, in his follow up piece Plank argued that Nabokov actually was not that much better than his backups over the course of his stint with the Sharks, and that should impact his upcoming contract negotiations this summer. Hockey of course is not a game of numbers, but the identified patterns can still leave one wondering about whether we should be excited or depressed about the approaching playoffs. Today we'll discuss Nabokov one more time, but from a slightly different perspective.
Let's go back a couple of weeks ago, when Team Russia was facing Team Canada in the quarter-final game of the Winter Olympics in Vancouver. Among other things, that game was supposed to give us a preview of what to expect from Nabby in this post season. I do not need to remind you how it all ended, but we can all agree that it left more questions than answers about what to expect from Nabby this spring. The Hockey News even claim the Sharks are lacking clutch goaltending, as they approach playoffs.
Is there any hope for the Sharks in the coming weeks between the pipes, as the regular season is drawing to an end? Or should the Sharks fans not set their expectations too high, remembering the heartbreaks of the past few years? In my view, we do have a hope, based on Nabby's three historical performances.
1. Nabokov's Career with Dynamo Moscow. Before he moved to the States Nabokov made his name as a 20 year old playing for the best Russian hockey club at the time Dynamo Moscow (a club that over the past couple of decades produced such hockey talents as Alexei Yashin, Alexei Zhamnov, Sergei Gonchar, Maxim Afinogenov, Pavel Datsyuk and Alex Ovechkin - just to name a few). Nabokov's stats for Dynamo were more then respectable - in 90 regular season games spanned over three seasons he posted 2.01 GAA (with 7 SOs), and in 25 playoff games he posted 2.15 GAA. A less known fact is that Nabby won MHL Cup with Dynamo in 1995 and was named the most valuable player of the tournament (an equivalent of NHL's Conn Smythe trophy). I watched two of the final games of that series against Lada in person, and Nabokov was playing as good as I've ever seen him play during his long hockey career, including posting a shutout in the Game 5 of the final (at the time, the final was played as a best of five format) as Dynamo sealed the win. A year later, Nabokov went on to win another MHL Cup, this time splitting the time between the pipes with another goaltender, but still only allowing 7 goals in 6 playoff games. He was a clutch player then, but this was 15 years ago, so let's cite more recent examples.
2. Nabokov's Performance in 2004 Stanley Cup Playoffs. This stage of Nabokov's career is more known to North American fans, as the Sharks reached the Western Conference finals and played in what is to this day their best post season in club history. Nabokov played one of the key roles in Sharks' success that spring, posting 3 SOs, to go along with an impressive 1.71 GAA and .935 SV%. The Sharks eventually fell to the Flames, as the only scored one goal in the final two games of the series, but when we think of that playoffs run, we first think about Nabby who took the team farther than they should have went that year, especially considering lack of all-star players on the roster.
3. Nabokov's Performance at the 2008 IIHF World Cup in Quebec. When we think of that season for the Sharks, we tend to only remember the never ending Game 6 against Dallas in the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. But Brenden Morrow did not end that season for Nabokov, and a couple of days later Nabby found himself playing for Russia, and would allow just 9 goals in 5 games of that tournament. In the semi-final Nabokov shutout Team Finland and in the final Nabokov played good enough to stop Team Canada that was being led by Ryan Getzlaf, Dany Heatley and Rick Nash. The Russian media declared Nabby MVP of the tournament, as Russia won its first World Cup in 15 years. The coaches and the media all agreed that Russia would not have won that tournament, if he was not in goal.
While we can name just as many or more other seasons when Nabokov's post season performance fell below expectations, this is the case with any NHL goalie, and that's why we love the game. But these examples show that the assumption that Nabokov has never performed in a clutch situation is not only wrong, it is plainly ignorant.
Finally, we need to make one more final point whenever we talk about goalrending in this league. Let's go back to that fateful night two weeks ago in Vancouver. Was it really Nabokov's fault that from hockey perspective Russia had its worst Olympic tournament in 54 years of participating in the games? Legendary Russian defenseman Alexei Kasatovov said it best:
I think that Nabokov is rightfully a no. 1 goaltender for Team Russia and he deserved to start against Canada. I would not blame him for anything. He found himself under an avalanche. One can handle this kind of pressure for 10 minutes, but not for the full 60. Hockey is not an individual game for goaltenders - it is a game for the whole team.
How far will the Sharks advance in the approaching post season? While it is a fair question for Nabokov, it applies just as much to Joe Thornton, Dany Heatley, Patrick Marleau, Dan Boyle, Rob Blake and Joe Pavelksi.
The Sharks will either live as a team, or die as a team.
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Also, great read. I always like getting the Russian history on him that I just don’t ever see out here in the west.
One minor correction: “including posting a shutout in the Game 5 of the final (at the time, the final was played as a best of three format)”
That would be a first to 3 format, or best of 5 format. Best of 3 would only have 3 maximum games.
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Yes, he was actually amazing in both seasons with Dynamo and I hated him with passion because he was very hard to play against.
I’ve always been surprised why he was drafted so low, since he was winning championships as a young lad, and even being named MVP.
Was it his English? His style? His relatively small size?
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I think it was the general unease regarding drafting Russians into the league that still lingered, as well as the fact that he’s from Kazakhstan, which is not a place that historically produces hockey players. And, yeah, him being small probably didn’t help.
Thank goodness the Sharks knew who his father was and decided to draft him just for that. Probably one of the funniest draft stories out there, especially for a player that has become one of the top goalies in the world.
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Now that I looked it up – Nabby was drafted in 1994, a year before his MVP performance with Dynamo and actually before Nabby started a single game in the Russian league. I’m not sure that the GMs were afraid of Russians at that time – 11 of them were drafted before Nabby (although only no. 2 overall pick Tverdovsky and Korolyuk played any major NHL impact).
I bet the Sharks felt pretty good about themselves after Nabby’s first season in the Russian league. I bet drafting Nabby so late and before he was known to anybody is the Sharks’ biggest draft steal.
That 1994 draft turned out to be very deep. Vokoun was drafted after Nabby, Zednik, Holmstrom and Berezin turned our to be 10th round picks.
One more reminder for a GM not to waste away even the late round picks. Sometimes you never know.
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Thanks for the injection of hope
It’s unfair to blame Nabokov for any of the Sharks ills unless he TRULY becomes a detriment to the team. I doubt this has ever been the case. When Nabby looks bad, the team generally looks worse in front of him. There are very few exceptions (the only ones that spring to mind was the OT loss last year to PHO where Boucher came in relief and Doan scored the GW, and the OT loss this year to LA where Brown scored the softy to win).
It IS a fair question to ask if he’s worth $5M next season, because that’s the reality of a salary cap league. 2004 still breaks my heart because Nabby was a Conn Smythe goaltender that season, and really had been for a few season before that, but was playing behind what was a very hard working, but very mediocre team.
The first season after the lockout, I still have no idea why we went with Toskala. If Nabby is in net against Edmonton, I think games 3, 4 and 5 go very differently.
I really hope we haven’t wasted his best seasons.
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The Edmonton series was in the Olympic year, correct?
Nabby was standing on his head in Torino, but then got back to the NHL and injured his groin. By the time he recovered (if he ever recovered fully), Toskala was already an established and a confident starter, so RW decided to stick with him, as he always does 20 or so games before the playoffs.
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I forgot about the groin injury
I just never drank the Toskala kool-aid. Nabby and Toskala platooned for much of that season, and Nabby got considerably less goal support, but still posted comparable numbers, AND he cracked a much deeper Olympic squad.
The injury probably forced us to stick with Toskala, you’re right. Man, what could have been…
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We can also forever wonder if Sharks were ready for a Cup run, should the lockout never have happened..
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Good read, man. I still think Nabby is going to have to be pretty on for the Sharks to do well this postseason. But that’s true of any team. I worry more about the secondary scoring not coming through. I think this will be Pavelski’s postseason if the Sharks are going to do well. Him and his linemates will need to be consistantly tickling the twine.
Nabby is a good goaltender. And he knows this might be his last chance with this team to get them to the promised land. He should be on his game this year.
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I completly agree
While having HTML is awesome, I worry too about secondary scoring. Before the Olympic break we were starting to see a rush of secondary scoring. It’s too soon to say, after this break, if that rush will continue. The problem I’m seeing is the 2-1 struggle to win over CBJ ther other day, just to have the kings beat them 6-0…
I’ve only watched first period briefly, but I think the main difference there was Mason. Against the Sharks he was catching everything. Against the Kings he allowed four goals in 15 minutes and was done for the night.
That’s the story of Colubmus whole season.
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During the sharks game though, as it always seems, they rarely created traffic in front of Mason. The on consistent thing about 2/3 of the goals they scored was there were people at the net, getting in the goalies face or challenging the goalie. IMO just seems the sharks tend to dump the puck, play the boards, and shoot 40+ shots hoping the goals go in. How many are redirected, how many block the goalies line of visions, etc.. Maybe I’m just not paying enough attention, but seems to me they are trying to make things fancy and look good more then get it in the net. I’m not saying all of our goals are that way, but a good majority.
If you notice this season the saying “Against the sharks he caught everything, against (insert team name) he caught nothing” seems to be quite the reoccurring theme.
I agree. Rabiner, one of the leading Russian sports journalists was visiting San Jose prior and after the Olympics and wrote almost what you wrote when describing the play of the HTML line – one too many passes and not always efficient.
But it’s also important to remember that for lower teams like Columbus games against top teams always matter. You see the same thing with Chicago and Washington who now began sliding as other teams specifically want to bring their best against them.
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Turnovers, sloppy passing, not a commitment to getting to the net
The best thing about Dany Heatley’s arrival has been his willingness to score ugly goals. Outside of him, the team isn’t CONSISTENT about getting to the front of the net.
Simplifying the game would ease a lot of secondary scoring concerns in my mind. We paid Ryane Clowe $3M to get to the net and park himself there. I still tear my already Getzlaf-like hair out when he does the Joe-on-the-halfboards thing.
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That’s true everyone wants to topple the giant that is San Jose from the top of the brackets, but you would think our boys would be able to play like a #1 seed team. I honestly think if we had any other goalie then Nabby we’d be much further down in the brackets. I just get so sick of watching other hockey teams rush then net, then turn on the sharks game to see them dump the puck and try to win it on the boards where 1/3 of the time they just turn it over rather then allow them to get into scoring position, of course this is in reference to plays other then line changes.
When our guys guy in front of the net… we score. Look at Team Canada, what did they do and how did they score so well. There were an awful lot of rebound shots and redirects.
I don’t even want to get into the turnovers because then I really get frustrated. All in all I love the sharks, but it pains me to see how they could be soooo much better because they have the talent… they just need to capitalize on it.
Dan Boyle agrees with you
That’s usually a sign you’re on the right track.
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probably recurring because, as you stated, no traffic in front of the opposition goaltenders so they should catch everything.
For all the grit guys like Nichol have been bringing, what I wouldn’t do for a Mule to park in front of the net!
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We HAVE Mules
Heater has been a Mule, he gets a pass.
Clowe and Seto, in my mind, could do better as Mules.
Manny has been a jack of all trades, and he could be one, but he’s got such a hard shot and works so hard along the boards, I think he’s better as a Getzlaf type.
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I like seto up with Joe and the Heat Machine because they get to the net, hit the soft spot and then cruise through…I was thinking of Clowe in particular or Bertuzzi back in Vancouver where he would park on the goalie, push off the d man and bang in rebounds.
Guys like Heatley, Seto, and even Cheecho are great and cruising by but they aren’t really parking on the goalie.
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Clowe
I didn’t finish that thought on Clowe…I think he tries to play like all the amazing finesse guys on his team when he could really make his mark LIKE Bertuzzi back in his heyday in Vancouver.
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Can't forget Pavs
He has been excellent in front of the net screening goaltenders, and probably the only guy who has gone there consistently through 65 games.
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I think besides Boyle, he’s going to be our no. 1 clutch guy in playoffs.
I love Pavs.
If he resigns here this summer, I’m buying his jersey.
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I shouldn't forget Pavs
But that is a sign of a different problem to me.
I LOVE that he does that kind of dirty work, but he’s a playmaker. If his linemates aren’t getting to the net, it limits his effectiveness. Witness his goal last game. Clowe DROVE THE NET, Pavs cleaned up the trash because he’s a smooth skating puck handling god.
I made the point about Manny earlier, he’s the centerman on the line, and puck retrieval should be his job, with his linemates getting to the net. If you’re going to play him at the wing, that’s one thing. Otherwise, you need to give him linemates who can be beasts (paging Jamie McGinn).
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And yet look at transformation of Crosby this season, although Pens tend to put all kinds of terrible wingers next to him knowing that he’ll still get his points no matter what.
We also have other examples – Getzlaf used to score more goals, as did Lecavalier, but now they’re more passing centers.
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Pavs
He’s an excellent example of what the sharks need to do. I would agree he’s one of the few sharks player consistently in the goalies face. I would say Heater does a good job of it, at times, as well. When both these guys are at the net they are dangerous.
Elvis you and I were commenting on that in the last game chat about how when Clowe drove the net we scored. Excellent example, thanks for reminding me.
Dumping the puck and playing the boards is necessary to win games, but I feel the sharks have lost the Net rush and solely rely on the dump play, minus the breakaways or the occasional 2v1.
durability
I agree that Pavs is great but I was thinking more of a sacrificial lamb. Hate to see him eat a puck but I think Clowe could be a destructive force. could be.
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Agreed in principle, but personally, I’ve given up on expecting Clowe to be that player consistently. He’s 27 years old, no longer a prospect, set in his ways. I think he’s done a very good job of protecting the puck along the boards compared to last year and the beginning of this year, but other than that, I see no reason to believe that he will suddenly flip the switch and start emulating Holmstrom in front of the net on every single shift.
Frankly, I’m not sure the coaching staff really expects him to do so. Otherwise we would see him there on the power play much more often— instead, it has been Pavelski who has largely fulfilled that role.
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this is Pav's year in the playoffs.
for the discerning hockey fan especially.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 9, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Probably suspended or in the box
The bigger question is:
WHY THE F*** WOULD YOU NEED SEAN AVERY? Are you trying to pick out an outfit for the evening?
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Best fashion taste ever
Plus I always thought this was hilarious and innovative. Best screen attempt ever…even though the guy is a dick. Always makes me chuckle when he’s interviewed.

by ilooklikeafat16 on Mar 9, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I thought this was a great idea… and I laughed for about 15 minutes when it happened.
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Agreed. I thought it was hilareous. He spawned an in-series NHL rule change. That’s power right there. Brodeur was pissed.
I’ve never had a problem with Avery. I think he’s pretty funny, actually.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 9, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
It was funny and all
But I think people forget, he didn’t score until he actually turned around and was part of the play.
I’m not an Avery fan, and I don’t think Bettman is either, and I think the rule change was a poor way of trying to “rein in” Avery.
If we want an Avery type, I’ll take Correy Perry or Jordin Tootoo over Avery any day of the week.
Yes, I said something nice about Correy Perry and I meant it. That’s how worthless I think Avery is.
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He didn't score until he turned around
But I’ll bet money he threw off Broeduer’s concentration, which contributed to the goal.
I hate Perry… I don’t know if I could support that douche bag in teal. I try to explain the benefits of having him, but damn is he a douche bag.
The whole sloppy seconds thing was a mockery of hockey. By that I mean that the fact he was suspended indefinitely for using language you can find in prime time television while Richards and Cooke got nothing for blindsiding guys and giving them grade 2 concussions is a travesty.
I hate that little bastard when we play him, much like Ott or Tootoo, but I understand what he does and at least he’s not out cheap shotting people in the head or shoving them head first into the boards at full speed. (to my knowledge)
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"Sloppy Seconds" will get 12 different reactions from 12 different people
But it hides the fact that Avery was instructed by Management and his Coach NOT to speak to the media, promised he would, then went to the press corp, made his “statement” and left without answering questions.
You can find him funny as a comedian or not, whatever.
He’s a douche, and he’s not worth his contract or his baggage. We get down on Brad Staubitz for taking dumb penalties? Avery will take twice that many.
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would not
that is
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Not saying his contract is worth it, but even if you say you’re not going to speak to the media that should be handled by the team. The league suspending him indefinitely was stupid.
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Correct me if I'm wrong
But didn’t the STARS suspend him indefinitely?
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The league did, the stars waived him and sent him to the minors. They later worked out a deal to bring him up on re-entry so that New York would claim him.
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Betmann held a press conference and talked about hating having to explain what that meant to his daughter.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
did he think his daughter would remain innocent forever?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
yes and no. the league did
and then made it like 10 games or something but the Stars DID suspend him indefinitely after the incident. He was later sent down.
From all (rumored) accounts, they were having serious issues with Avery in the locker room before he decided to be himself on camera.
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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
and for the record
I can easily think of instances in which I, as a lass, would find sloppy seconds hilarious and cases in which I would not. It depends largely on context. I don’t expect the NHL to regulate the players thoughts just because someone could potentially maybe be offended though. That’s silly.
The league took action because not doing so would make them look bad to those outside the hockey world. Or so they thought. Whether or not that’s true is up for debate.
That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
I think you're right on
The league thought it would make them look bad. I don’t know how they could make that decision and then not suspend Richards or Cooke (so far) and not think that makes the league look much much worse.
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I don't get that either
People say stupid things all the time, but guys getting run like that and not suffering an consequences (as far as we can tell) is inexcusable.
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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
The whole sloppy seconds thing was a mockery of hockey. By that I mean that the fact he was suspended indefinitely for using language you can find in prime time television while Richards and Cooke got nothing for blindsiding guys and giving them grade 2 concussions is a travesty.
Agreed 100%. I’m pretty sure me or my friends make a sloppy seconds joke once a day. It’s nothing. But Richards gets nothing for the dirty Booth hit, and Cooke has yet to get anything for the Savard hit. Inexcusable.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
His ex's are hot
Elisha Cuthbert and Rachel Hunter
by ilooklikeafat16 on Mar 10, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
If getting in front of the net is the problem
then according to this report by David Pollak, the coaching staff agrees. The practices during this break have included drills focusing on one-on-one battles in front of the net.
We seem to hear this every few months several times a season.
When will the Sharks actually start doing it for more than a couple of games?
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I caught most of the 1st and 2nd periods. LA was better about getting bodies in front of Mason, and frankly, Mason wasn’t on. Nash was also taken out pretty early. Columbus is just insanely depleted right now.
by OtherKid on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Great write up Ivano
I don’t worry about Nabby. I’m confident in his ability, and I think he’ll take us far as long as the rest of the team can back him up. He’s done an outstanding job for us this season, and I don’t see that changing.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 9, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions
Curse of the Sharks
So, I got to thinking recently. I’ve noticed that after beating the Sharks teams seem to lose their next game.
I decided to go back and look at how often this happens and the results are pretty staggering.
Only 7 times all year has a team that has beat the Sharks recorded 2 points in their next game. The last time it happened was in December.
Oct 1st we lost to the Avalanche
Oct 6th we lost to the Kings
Oct 15th we lost to the Capitals
Nov 15th we lost to the Blackhawks
Nov 17th we lost to the Predators
Dec 3rd we lost to the Blues
Dec 9th we lost to the Kings
I don’t know why, but I find this amusing.
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Thank You!
I’ve been wondering what the win/loss stats were after a team beat the Sharks…those 7 games are actually better than I thought.
So which Nabokov are we going to get in the playoffs?
Are we going to get the ’04 Nabokov?
Or are we going to get the ’09 Nabokov?
There’s some strong indications that we could see a repeat of ‘09 Nabokov. Case in point: Martin Brodeur. What do Brodeur and Nabokov have in common? They’re both reactionary goaltenders. They slow down as they get older, and become less consistent. Brodeur has won 2 playoff series since the Devils won the Cup in ‘03. That’s over 6 seasons of hockey. The same Brodeur who became the scapegoat of Canada in the USAs win because of his questionable save selection.
But does it really matter how well Nabokov plays for the Sharks? Not really.
The goaltenders effect on the teams’ fortunes is largely overrated. Whether the Sharks make the SCF will depend on the play of the 18 players in front of Nabokov.
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There is actually an interesting parallel between Nabby and Brodeur I discovered yesterday. Both put themselves on the hockey map in the same spring of 1995 – Nabby with his MVP performance in the RHL, and Brodeur with his first cup with the Devils.
That was also the year when I got serious about following both leagues, since it was the first time SCF was shown live on the Russian television.
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Ignorant?
I try not to be ignorant but to use Nabby’s success in other leagues to build him up as a clutch performer isn’t totally dependable. I assume that the NHL offers the best Teams for him to be tested against and not necessarily juniors, khl, or even national teams that may have great collections of players, but don’t offer him the stiffest competition.
I guess I don’t care that Joe Pavelski was a stud at his college level or Nabby won in 08 at a world cup. I do care as a fan, but as one that only really cares about the Sharks/NHL I want to see them succeed here and now!
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As much as we don't care about past success
Doug Wilson does. He’s been on record several times that he wants winners on the team. It’s why Rob Blake, Dan Boyle and Joe Pavelski are on this team. It’s also probably why Evgeni Nabokov is on this team.
Out of these “winners” I think Boyle is probably the best contributor in terms of knowing what it takes to win the Cup, but let’s not forget the fact that Pavelski and Nabokov HAVE been clutch. At least, they were in Dallas. No one was really very good against Anaheim, so, I don’t know what to make of that. But Nabby knows what the pressure cooker is about. That’s something that you won’t lose with age.
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When you take the elite teams in the World Cup, they’re usually better than your average NHL team – and the same is true of the Olympics.
But the point I was trying to make was not about the level of competition, it was about the level pressure and it’s the same whether you’re playing in the NHL playoffs, or at the IIHF WC or in the old Russian league.
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So I was sitting here painting robots and suddenly I wondered
at what point to we start blaming Nabby for the economy because we’ve pretty much blamed him for everything else.
Nabby, single handily stopped Pluto from being a planet. Blocka side.
I hear Greiss only stopped a meteor. shakes head in sadness
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That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
by CTGray on Mar 9, 2010 3:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
didn’t you hear, Fear the Fin has become a place of negativeness. not saying we shouldn’t just be cheerleaders, but damn already, people are saying we are going to fail and placing blame and the playoffs aren’t even here
whose on the chopping block next? Marleau?? Heatley? Seto? let’s just find every fault we can and over-analyze the fuck out of it without realizing they want the Cup so much more than the fans do
(shrugs)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding? we’re a month from playoffs. This is panic time for Sharks fans, this is where blogs get readers.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I don’t panic till day one of the playoffs … perhaps that comes with age and realizing when it’s a good time to raise your blood pressure and when’s a bad time
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
I panic on the day/night of game 1 round 1. Actually, I just get amped. I’ll panic come game 3. Maybe 2.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
last year I didn’t really panic till too late … cause I kept telling myself “Sharks always make it to round 2 … they’ll get out of this mess” … day one this playoff season is when I’ll start sweating
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I just go really pissed after game 4, cleaned my garage, enjoyed the hell out of game 5 and went into game 6 expecting the worst and hoping for the best. I was already over it at that point. For the most part, anyway.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
Same here, without the garage cleaning part. After the first two games, I sort of resigned myself to the fact that the Sharks were going to be out in round one, that we’d have to deal with the choker label for the next year, and I should enjoy any bright moments in that series. It really hit me around August, but other than that, it was just an acceptance of defeat.
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Ha, I remember feeling all depressed in July/August. Didn’t fully hit me til’ that time as well. I remember the last game thread (1200 comment warning) I was cracking jokes and such. Only way to keep me sane I suppose.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
No, the blog gets readers when the Sharks get eliminated from the playoffs.
Actually, no, this blog gets commenters when the Sharks get eliminated from the playoffs. I’m not quite sure if all of them know how to read.
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Haha, this is true. I have to say, the comments section is going to be all sorts of off limits for me this year following Sharks losses. As much as I hate to let it turn into downtown Baghdad, I was scarred last year.
Maybe I should set up a comment waiting period before the playoffs begin. Something around one day before you are able to post.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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yes
waiting periods would be good. Very very good.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
Heh, I remember last year, about ten minutes after the Sharks lost the series, people suddenly started using the Fanpost section like it was the comments section. Brutal.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Something around one day before you are able to post.
if we have any say in this … and I’m under no illusion that we do … yes please!!!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
No, I think you guys probably should have a voice here. Like I said, I don’t plan on really commenting once the playoffs start, especially if the Sharks lose a game and/or series.
It’s really you guys who are going to suffer. Which sucks.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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I third this
A comment waiting period for the playoffs would be wonderful. If they had to wait, I’m sure most of them would forget about this and not comment at all. And if they did, hopefully their thoughts are more constructive than what we saw last season.
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Fools and Sages
I initially read that as a comment waiting period for the entire playoffs, laughed, and then realized it might be such a bad idea haha.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
WTC is going to be friggin Hamburger Hill. I can’t wait.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
by Evilducks on Mar 9, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect description haha. Sadly it’s one that just may befall FTF if the Sharks drop out in the first round again.
I just may tune in to catch littlesieve in action. That guy is a damn riot.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Wait, can we? Because that would be awesome.
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Haha, I think I missed last season post-playoffs FTF madness, for the most part I think. To be honest, I watched one game all series…Game 4 (Games 1-3 I was in Philly, Game 5 I was at a wedding in Oakland). I might have caught Game 6 as well. I mean, I’ve been doing my best to forget about that period of time.
Anyways, it’s probably for the best. I get a little upset after series losses. I’d prefer not to e-rant about it. I remember seeing some of the wreckage here on FTF, and it got pretty bad. I assume they’ll all crawl out should the unthinkable happen. This place should be delightfully happy and uncrowded should the Sharks finally make a decent run.
I’ll probably be with you Plank, avoiding FTF (and most of the hockey based internets) should May show up without Sharks hockey.
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Blocking fanposts for a few days to new users and having the ability to ignore users would be a semi-useful solution.
I’m less worried about emo-sharks fans as I am about fans of the other team trying to rile people up.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
we got a decent amount of that
and the usually choker stuff from people who’d never posted until right after the Sharks were out. I stayed away from the site for at least a month just to avoid ripping someone a new one. (Which I did in the game 6 thread because dude was being an ass)
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
Is it allright if I pretend to be Terry Tate should things go sour and fools come into the comments section?
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Personally, I blame the Ducks for the Economy
And occasionally, the Red Wings and Blackhawks.
Also, the Cowboys.
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OH WE CANT PAINT ROBOTS BUT WE CANT GET ME A CARTOON I SEE HOW IT IS
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions
my robots do not post in all caps. :P
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
My thoughts are contained in the below image
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Also
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
hehe
those look like BBM barcodes…..I sure hope no one gets randomly added by FTF people.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Mar 9, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting...
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
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Clever girl.
Yup, everyone’s gotta step up. Pavs and Marleau are probably safe bets, and I would add Heatley and Boyle to that mix.
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I would have put more, but there was a 250 character limit. But, yeah, Heater and Boyle and probably Murray are pretty good bets to step it up in the playoffs. Hopefully Malhotra, Nichol, and Ortmeyer do as well. And Torrey Mitchell regains his last post-season awesomeness (without having everyone else sucking). And Blake remembers how to score goals. And Seto and Clowe remember to step it up. And McGinn actually plays the entire series. And Wallin remains to be the Secret Weapon. And Huskins doesn’t suck too much.
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Fools and Sages
My thoughts are contained in the space below
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No hockey until Thursday is killing me.
What am I going to do to in the meantime? Watch game 7 from two seasons ago against the Flames on Hulu. Oh yeah Go Sharks and JR.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I had to restart firefox and hulu decides not to work. I hate everyone……….
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
I hate you too!
:)
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I hate you the most.
Just an fyi…
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Of course you do
It’s because I’m awesome!
Or something…
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Your smell is a contributing factor.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Hey now!
I have a condition!
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Since you’re all bored, here is a Sharks alumni news piece for you.
Russia’s performance at the Olympics was assessed a “D” grade today, but Bykov was retained a coach at least until the WC in Germany in May. He did mention he would like to expand his staff, and one of the main candidates everyone is buzzing about is Andrei Nazarov, currently coaching Traktor in the NHL (yes, it means a tractor in Russian – what a cool name for a club).
Who here remembers Nazarov?
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Big hulking monster
Around the same time we had Viktor Kozlov, yes?
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Correct.
Probably the first “tough guy” in the history of Russian hockey.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Didn't he pull Kyle McLaren's hair in a fight?
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Nazzy was scary
He was sort of like a proto Ivanans, in terms of sheer unhinged behavior on the ice.
Just got back from a happy hour
And since I live down in the damn OC, the ducks were on tv. Just want to say, fuck the ducks. That is all
Anyone going to the Sharks-Ducks game on Sunday?
I’m looking at YOU Sharks In OC. I’ll be down in Anaheim for work all weekend and at the game along with about 10 friends/acquaintances that driving down. We’re all of us sitting together in a big group up in the rafters somewhere.
Anyway, let me know.
YES
I will be there with a friend sitting in section 412. I will also be at JT Schmid’s brewery across the street before the game, possibly after. Where are you sitting?
Great
As soon as I go back to San Jose, the Sharks come down here. The last Sharks game I’m going to see this season is the infamous 7-2 Chicago game, isn’t it?
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I know Saturday is. Speaking of, I should find out if I’ll need to drag myself down from the City and out to the game…GDC parties are teh awesomes.
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
I’ll be there Saturday with my boys, a friend and her boys (and one of her son’s gf) … they haven’t been to a hockey game before … so will be loads of fun!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
GDC???
Lucky….
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Mar 10, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, Thursday and Saturday are home games. I’ll still be in LA on Thursday, but Saturday I’ll be home. The chances of me going to that game (which is the only home game during my entire Spring Break, I might add) are slim.
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Thank you
Glad to see that somebody isn’t willing to rip apart Nabby before the playoffs haven’t even started. He’s been playing great, aside from Vancouver, and will continue to be a great, dare I say it, ELITE goaltender. It’s easy to blame it all on the goalie, but it really is the entire team failing when we blow it.
So
Anybody else really enjoying this Ducks game?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I’m only following the scores … now there is a fanbase that has reason to bitch and whine
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hilarious. I don’t even think they’re trying anymore. There were down 0-3 at the end of 2 and Getzlaf gets in a fight at the end of the period.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Now they’re taking stupid offensive zone penalties. This is nearly as good as having a Sharks game to watch.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
yeah they’ve been wetting themselves over getting him … damn I’m really starting to fit in over there … took a few years, but shit
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well crap, this game is actually close now.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I just noticed they got another … they are doing this to give Earl & Co a heartattack
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by ang6666 on Mar 9, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
No worries, Columbus scored again to extend their lead back to 2.
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