Avs stun Sharks in final seconds, walk out of HP Pavilion with 1-0 series lead
by Mr. Plank on Apr 14, 2010 11:42 PM PDT
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The great thing about the Stanley Cup playoffs is how the pace of the game travels in waves. Shifts that last forty five seconds seem to flow into forty five minutes, each stride up the ice consuming your heart until it's lodged in your throat.
Coming into tonight, Colorado head coach Joe Sacco knew the first ten minutes of the opening period were going to be the toughest stretch his team would face. Survive the typical "home team comes roaring out of the gates" wave that defines nearly every single playoff series league-wide, and you give yourself an opportunity to build upon the momentum that a few big defensive stops can do for you.
And the young Avalanche did just that.
Thirty seconds into the first period Chris Stewart took a penalty in his offensive zone, setting the plate for the Sharks power play unit to hit the ice and make a statement. San Jose blasted six shots at Craig Anderson with traffic in front of the net, none of them managing to find the twine. The next half of the period saw a similar form of jump from the Sharks, with the team driving down the middle and getting great opportunities from the center of the circles-- but Anderson was once again up to the task, doing a good job of limiting rebounds and forcing faceoffs to slowly chip away at the energy of HP Pavilion.
Mission accomplished. Colorado had survived. And shortly thereafter, they began to take the play to San Jose.
The next thirty minutes of ice time, including a woeful second period which bore witness to only three Sharks shots on net, allowed the Avalanche to pull ahead with a 1-0 lead. San Jose defenseman would either botch a breakout pass or hit a forward standing at the halfboards who refused to move his feet. Against a team that stacked five men in the neutral zone all night it was equivalent to a self-inflicted gunshot wound-- the Sharks were unable to generate the speed in the neutral zone necessary to beat that defensive alignment, and instead were content to whip low dump-ins around the boards where Craig Anderson calmly played the puck up to his waiting defensemen.
This is one of the issues that plagued the team during the Anaheim series-- an unwillingness to alter execution that is not working. There were few Sharks who realized that a high cross-ice dump to the far corner is the best way to beat this system if San Jose as a whole is having trouble moving their feet through the neutral zone, especially when one considers how well Anderson played the puck tonight.
It is not a decision that one can make after crossing the redline-- at that point, your wingers have slowed their approach into the zone in order to avoid going offsides and do not have the speed necessary to establish a strong forecheck. This is something the team needs to acknowledge in practice tomorrow and learn to commit to a system that is able to adapt. Once that high cross-ice dump goes into the corner with wingers generating the speed that will be able to retrieve the puck, Colorado will be forced to ease up on clogging the neutral zone and allow San Jose to enter the zone without dump-ins. If they can do this in game two it will go a long way towards generating scoring opportunities.
There is a clear and concise difference between the dump and blindly chase strategy San Jose employed tonight when compared to dumping the puck in with a purpose.
At the beginning of the game San Jose was pumping shots at Craig Anderson, most of them riding dead center into his chest. After the first ten minutes of play the Sharks began to tinker with their shot selection, attempting to pick high corners in the offensive zone, leading to an array of shots that flew wide of the net. It was an issue that would befall them for the majority of the game.
Following a phantom hooking call on Rob Blake in the middle of the second, Colorado took to the power play. Some good puck movement and a pass from Matt Duchene up to John-Michael Liles led to a howitzer of a slap shot that blew past Nabokov and gave the Avalanche a 1-0 lead.
The rest of the second was much like the first-- Colorado controlling the tempo and flow, content to chip in pucks and burn away time during HTML's shifts, attacking down the middle and relentlessly throwing pucks to the net against San Jose's other three lines. Defenseman Scott Hannan was wonderful tonight and played a large role in HTML's zero-point performance. He pushed the Sharks to the outside along with the rest of the Avalanche defense, and the unit forced San Jose to pass the puck around the perimeter for the majority of the game. When the Sharks would manage to squeek a shot through the traffic it was one and done. The defensive zone clears flowed like strong wine-- soft, subtle, and extremely potent.
A big kill at the end of the second period kept the Sharks within striking distance, and the game edged into the third.
Three minutes into the period San Jose caught a break-- T.J. Galiardi was whistled for gently patting Dan Boyle on the shoulder, and the Sharks received what would be their last man advantage of the night. Alas, as has been the case in years past with the postseason power play, it was not meant to be.
However, the breaks continued to come. Ryane Clowe took a page out of the Avalanche playbook and whipped a shot at the net with Joe Pavelski screening Anderson in front. With the Colorado goaltender off his angle the puck managed to find some space short side and tied the game at one. From there on out it was all San Jose. They strung multiple shifts together that threatened to put the team ahead, and battled in the corners for loose pucks. With a minute remaining in the game the stage was set for overtime, quite possibly the most thrilling moment one can experience during the NHL playoffs.
And then Chris Stewart met Rob Blake. Whipping a centering feed to T.J. Galiardi in front, the puck careened off the San Jose Captain's left skate into the net behind Nabokov with fifty seconds left on the clock.
It was all she wrote.
Despite Devin Setoguchi looking like a man possessed on the ice tonight, Patrick Marleau was a non-impact forward who failed to make a difference. Despite Jason Demers limiting the defensive gaffes that caused him to be sent down to Worcester in the middle of the year, Douglas Murray struggled with the speedy Colorado forwards and blew assignments. Despite Joe Thornton mentioning Evgeni Nabokov will be the most important factor during the series, the most important factor was the lack of a consistent attack that is necessary when you put all of your offensive juggernauts into one basket.
And yet, the biggest blown opportunity tonight wasn't the fact that a multitude of San Jose players missed the net, were beat to loose pucks, or couldn't solve Colorado's defensive scheme.
It was dropping yet another game one at home for the third straight year.
That window of opportunity for Colorado? The one that could have been sealed tonight, locked down and slammed with enough force to send tremors throughout the entire house of hockey?
It is now rendered irrelevant.
Because the Avalanche came in right through the front door.
A wise man once said, "That's why you play seven of em'." That statement is the warmest of blankets tonight, and will allow both the Sharks and their faithful fans a chance to coax themselves to sleep.
Let's hope the entire collective wakes up in time for Friday.
Go Sharks.
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"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 14, 2010 11:52 PM PDT reply actions
Great wrap up Plank
Post season scoring. Still an issue. Killer instinct. Still an issue.
But most troubling to me is the issue you mentioned about the trap. This is hardly the first time the team has seen it employed against them this year. It’s pretty much the book on how to play the Sharks. Bog down the middle of the ice and frustrate the skill on the team. It’s very troubling that something they see 6 times a year against Phoenix, and numerous times against other teams after an 82 game season can still seem so bumfuzzling to the team.
This is a coaching and player-on-ice-awareness issue. No one player or coach can take the blame. This is well and truly a team problem.
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Indian Man
Your knowledge astounds me.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
I am a man of many talents
Just, you know, none of them useful…
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UM
Don’t you have a job?
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
I do
I should eventually do some work at it instead of commenting on FTF!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I really doubt
Any UCD education nets you a job with these kinds of hours.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
Oh no
I’m not at work right now. I have an 8-5 gig. I just spend a lot of that time at my desk perusing FTF because my job sucks.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I work at a n fucking diner in davis getting 6-12 hours a week
and every day 10-25 people come in and submit resumes for my job. All I do is clean off tables and seat people, but looking at these things, one would think you would need a masters to work in a fucking restaurant!
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
UGH I knoooww, it’s so frustrating how much trouble we’re still having with the neutral zone trap. We’ve been through it sooo many times I don’t understand how we can still get shutdown so badly by it.
Definitely a good recap Plank, pretty much stated everything I thought throughout the game. Man Super-Seto came out hard in the first period, hopefully he keeps it going throughout the rest of the playoffs. Once they figure out this neutral trap thing I think we’ll start rolling. Nabby looked real good, you can’t fault him for either goal. Super-Seto came out HARD in the first period; the second the puck touched his stick it would already be on net before you could blink.
I’m going to be totally bummed out until we play again on Friday. Really wish i had a time machine right about now.
I am lucky
I’ve been drunk since 4PM so the reality of it all hasn’t really hit yet.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
Pretty much...
Sounds like the people work service here in Davis. I’d bet Bistro or Burgers and Brew. Picnic day is Saturday—not today, kemosabe.
I miss the Jack Daniels shot of the night and the San Jose Sharks drinking game. But I do not miss Marty McSorely.
by Shenkbone on Apr 15, 2010 2:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent Work
Concise summary Plank, very well done. I really don’t know what to say other than this franchise doesn’t have very good playoff karma.
I have been watching hockey for close to 50 years and why this franchise can’t find a combination of players who will just refuse to lose in the playoffs is beyond me.
Once again, it seemed like the other team wanted it more.
It's a tarp
Absolutely bewildered me that the Sharks’ were not able to adjust to the same system they’ve seen thrown against them not just by the Avs, the Coyotes, the Canucks, Wild, etc.
Game-winning goal by Avs shows they were more determined to win the game. And sometimes you make your own luck.
Patty Marleau: An Erotic Life
Picked overall #2
Adored by the faithful
Trade rumors abound
Turns-around career
Year of the Cup?
by Will Bulldozer on Apr 15, 2010 12:01 AM PDT reply actions
Cue the trolls
Wondering if the Federal Government will come in and buy our “troubled assets”
TRADETHORNTONTRADEMARLEAUTRADENABBYFIREDOUGWILSON!
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I really wish
owners are able to trade GM’s. Would make hockey 41% more interesting.
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Cause we're too big to FAIL!!!
by skilletboy on Apr 15, 2010 12:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
STOP
I think some of the Sharks’ post-season flop comes at the hands of the fanbase/media. Every year, whenever the Sharks lose ONE GAME, it’s suddenly the end of the line, bandwagon empties, and everyone calls it quits. Everyone gets so cynical and down, saying “oh here we go again we’re gonna blow it” and all that bulls#%t. Hell, you saw it tonight at the tank: Once Colorado scored, that place was DEAD silent after four minutes. The fans threw in the towel, and the team followed suit.
If anything, this is when our team needs us most. It’s ONE GAME, PEOPLE! WE HAVE A LOT MORE TIME, A LOT MORE POTENTIAL, AND CERTAINLY A HELLUVA LOT MORE OF A REASON TO GET THIS PUCK ROLLING. We’re gonna COME OUT THE GATE THE NEXT GAME, AND TAKE IT TO THESE COLORIDICULOUS AMATEURS.
GO SHARKS!!!!!!!
"He's like a swedish bear"- Randy Hahn, during the Sharks-Canucks brawl on 4.8.2010
That would be nice, if it was an isolated incident.
But losing the first game, at home, for the fourth straight time. You have to wonder why this team has such a big fucking problem getting up for a series. When you have home ice advantage, you are supposed to use it. The crowd was amped and just BEGGING for a reason to explode. The Sharks don’t ever seem to be able to feed off of it.
No, this isn’t the end of the line. The Sharks definately aren’t doomed, yet. But when you see the same patterns developing, its hard not to think to series past, and wonder just what the fuck happens to this team between games 82 and 83.
It makes Game 2 a must win.
I am in awe of the Power of the Palin Mask Mojo...
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Definitely agree. We throw home ice away like it’s going out of style. By no means does Colorado have us dead to rights, but as a fanbase we’ve been down this road too many times…
"He has to want it because talent only takes you so far. How much you want it is the difference between good and great." - Rick Neuheisel
by SonsOfWestwood on Apr 15, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have faith...
I am bummed about what happened last night actually. I was completely livid walking back to my car from the Tank last night. Ended up punching my buddy cause he was trying to cheer me up by whipping the towel at me…but I need some time to get over it. There was just way too much pressure last night on the guys and I’m going to get blasted, I know for sure about this, but you can cut the tension and anxiety in the air with a cheese wire. You can ask my buddy…middle of the second period I said there’s just too much pressure in here by EVERYONE fans and players alike for them to play the way they can. It’s not an excuse but I think we need to ease up a bit. Yes pucks bounced funny and calls from the refs that were critical to the game weren’t called. But its game 1. We have potentially 6 more against these guys…so…onto game 2…we can only look forward and the fact CLOWE IS A BEAST!!! RYANE FUCKING CLOWE!!
I’ll probably be taking a break from this place for a bit because all this negativity is really not helping the cause. I’d rather root for my guys in my own time with my friends without having to hear all this garbage after game 1. Flag me if you wish but it doesn’t matter to me anymore.
Side Note: I apologize to the people sitting around me last night…the last 10 minutes of the 3rd there was a lot of profanity (i.e. f-bombs were dropping like it was hot) coming out of my mouth..so sorry if you were in section 212 >.<
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
A few things...
1. If they can’t handle the pressure of the playoffs and the expectations, then they shouldn’t be playing professional hockey. They are paid to deal with that (and usually because, in the past, they have dealt with it at some level).
2. I actually don’t think its been overly negative around here. I mean, people are frusterated, as they should be. And people are talking about what a letdown it is, and how frusterating it is, and how uneasy feelings are creeping back in (and how could they not?). Outside of one person, I haven’t seen an all out “OMG! JUST LIKE ALWAYS, THEY’RE CHOKING AND ARE TERRIBLE!” from anyone. It’s been a pretty good dialogue overall, IMO.
3. Profanity is meant for the playoffs. Especially when the Sharks look like shit.
That is all.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm seems I need to clarify...
1. It didn’t seem like normal playoff pressure it was like everyone was watching to see if they ch**e rather than relax OK this is big but play well have fun kind of stuff. I might not make sense (though it makes sense in my head) I don’t have enough coffee in me yet nor do I have a voice.
2. Yea perhaps it wasn’t a great idea to read all the stuff on here last night and having that troll (which stood out the most) roll on through. I drove straight home logged onto FTF to see if there was some objective view on the game last night because from where i was sitting…nothing was going our way. Was it just me or was the ice quality last night crappy?
3. Yea but if every other word was the eff bomb, its not good, especially coming from 5ft tall me and I’m the loudest one. But its cool the boys behind me really thought it was awesome. I think the best thing that came out of my mouth last night in a fit of rage was “Ref where the hell are your eyes?? Are they on your ass????” I got a few high fives out of that one.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I apologize to the people sitting around me last night…the last 10 minutes of the 3rd there was a lot of profanity (i.e. f-bombs were dropping like it was hot) coming out of my mouth..so sorry if you were in section 212
Hahaha you should sit next to me… ;o) Potty mouth is my middle name…
"It's a kook fest" - Drew Remenda
"What an idiot" - Craig Rivet
"Al Stalock, his reflexes are so good he can smell a fart before someone even lays one"
by sharkiesgirl on Apr 15, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
the boys behind me
who were also cursing just to themselves called me a pirate…LOL!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha!
"It's a kook fest" - Drew Remenda
"What an idiot" - Craig Rivet
"Al Stalock, his reflexes are so good he can smell a fart before someone even lays one"
by sharkiesgirl on Apr 15, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The fans don't get
paid millions to play. The fans can’t will the team to win either. The support needs to be there but now its my fault because I wasn’t impressed with their play after the first five minutes???
I blame Canada.
Hansel: "Who are you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco? "
God, I certainly hope we don’t get too many people claiming the sky has fallen in because of one game, and a game one at that, but…
Waking up this morning it feels like lessons haven’t been learnt in the year since the horror of Anaheim. I really thought we needed to jump up last night and dominate the Avs, to throw down a marker for the series, but it didn’t happen. Second period represented everything that is bad about watching this team through the long months of the regular season.
The worst thing last night, barring the defeat, naturally, was switching to the Yotes-Wings game during the intermissions and seeing the play-off cauldron they had created in Glendale. The atmosphere was incredible and just everything about the game screamed play-off hockey. Sadly, that wasn’t the feeling I was getting from the Tank, albeit down the net and into my computer.
Anyways, let’s pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and start again Friday. We have to win four of six. Simple. This is the Western Conference champions we’re talking about, we know we can do this.
Go Sharks!
And you think you live in a non-traditional hockey market...
same page,
you and i are on sir.
it was a letdown to see the rerun of the same episode we sat through all season in eager anticipation of elusive “playoff hockey”
but hey, a few days off never has done this team much good, so hopefully they come out and score more goals than the avs next game
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 15, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does the same thing happen year after year after year……….
Again its not like Anderson was as awesome as Hiller was last year.
3 shots in one period? This is a team that uses Darcy Tucker on its power play for gods sake.
If the Avs wind up winning this series, watch a team like Chicago just murder them to pieces
I really wish we’d hear the players at least sound like they cared. I’m tired of all this “well, we knew it’d be a tough game. It was a bad bounce that went against us. Nothing you can do about that.” Yes there is. You can come out, skate like you mean it for a full 60 minutes, and not just 10, and don’t put yourself in the position that one bad bounce costs you the game, home ice advantage, and any momentum you might have had coming into the series.
I’m really trying to not overreact to one loss. But after the embarassment of last season’s debacle, and the 3 years prior to that where the Sharks stumbled, you would think the Sharks would show some fire and come out ready to dominate games. I mean, this is how you respond when your playoff fortitude has been consistantly called into question leading up to this series? This is how you respond after being embarassed as the 1st seed last season? I mean, its almost as if they haven’t learned a goddamn thing.
If this was an isolated incident, well, yeah, its just one game. But, unfortunately for this team, it’ll never be an isolated incident until it proves it can win the games that matter.
The sky isn’t falling, yet. But it needs some duct tape in game 2. Maybe this time they’ll finally learn their lesson and come out playing playoff hockey.
I am in awe of the Power of the Palin Mask Mojo...
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s 1am and I’m having a hard time getting my brain to quiet down so I can sleep, so as I read your post I see “haven’t learned’ + ‘maybe they’ll learn their lesson” and I think about the roster turnover the last couple seasons. There’s a relatively new coaching staff, different 3/4 lines, changed D-pairings and Dany F**king Heatley, etc.etc. But the result’s the same. I guess what I’m saying, based on tonight’s results…who hasn’t learned?
It truly is a strange and frustrating predicament. It makes me wonder if Marleau wears some sort of funky cologne that causes everyone around him to act sluggish, like having a dart to the neck.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, its true there was quite a bit of roster turnover from last season. But the leadership is mostly in tact (not just Cs and As, but the 6 or 7 players who are the voices in the locker room…Blake, Boyle, Thornton, Marleau, Pavs, etc.), and the coaching is the same from last season, and the front office is the same. And being as it was players like Marleau and Murray that looked the worst, and they’ve been around for years.
It’s almost as if there’s something in the locker room that is preventing this group from winning together when it matters, like a brain melting toxin floating throughout the room. Sigh, I don’t know. It’s just really discouraging to see the boys come out looking like this…especially when all they’ve had to hear about the last year is how pathetic their last playoff run was. You’d think they’d gear up to respond. Even those who weren’t here last year have had to live with hearing about it. You’d think they want to step up and prove they were the missing link.
I was in the same boat last night. Couldn’t get the brain quieted down for some sleep. And now I’m back at work. Sigh. Let’s hope things go better this weekend, I guess. A nice four game winning streak would cure all that ails me.
I am in awe of the Power of the Palin Mask Mojo...
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m not saying they can’t win because of it, but I would say there’s a culture problem in the organization
by a10dency2ask on Apr 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm totally with you there.
Last night just demonstrated exactly why not playing 60 minutes consistently through the season. The boys are used to playing that way and just can’t turn it on when it counts. Sure, there was a lot outside the team’s control that went wrong for them, but they didn’t handle the one thing they could control well. Have to be better than this.
It’d be nice to hear someone other than Dan Boyle get pissed off by the team’s play. The oh bother attitude after a game last night is getting a little old.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
Proud member of the "Keep Marleau Forever" Club
by Lurker Shark on Apr 15, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know why we should give dan boyle a pass just because he acts angry about losses. He didn’t show up either.
by a10dency2ask on Apr 15, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like they really went out of their way to shut Dan Boyle down. If I remember right it seemed like they were playing him high on the point. We just needed to recognize that and adjust. If they’re playing higher up close to the blue line trying to limit Boyles time/space then there is probably more space in the middle open for someone to drive to the net or something.
*GASP*
The other team PRESSURED the Sharks? That’s never happened this season…
…well, outside of basically everyone. Book on playing the Sharks: clog the neutral zone, if they get in, pressure the point. All of which points to the fact that the forwards are not doing enough to get involved in the play, either coming back to the D for support on those blueline situations, or getting wide and calling for the puck on entries into the zone.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I never even used the word pressure actually. I’m just talking about why Dan Boyle wasn’t able to get off any good shots on net. Colorado made a playstyle choice to play high on the point, which in turn opens up other vulnerabilities in their defense that we should be able to exploit, like i mentioned above. Unfortunately, our forwards didn’t take advantage of that.
It’s similar to a 2 on 1 breakaway where instead of trying to push the puck carrier to the outside and cutting off the pass like you normally would, you just completely ignore the second man because you know he sucks and won’t do anything even if he can accept the pass.
There’s not much you can fault Boyle for in a situation like that, you gotta rely on the forwards to make them pay for choosing to play that way.
I see what you mean
I think our takes on it are similar though. Whether it’s “pressure” or just zone coverage up high, the holes in the D only open up if the forwards do something other than stare at Dan Boyle and think to themselves “Damn, Dan Boyle is a Sexy Sexy Man.”
It really is the truth, so, I understand why they get hypnotized. I just wish they’d choose to go, “Man, I wonder if I can get open for him right now, how sick a play would it be, AND I’d get to be on the highlight reel with Danny F***ing Boyle!”
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Is it me or ...
… were pucks bouncing all over the place last night? It seemed like no one could make a clean pass without the puck getting up on edge. Created a few near-disastrous problems for the goalies, too.
I woke up this morning feeling cooled down a lot.
Here’s to Friday now. Only can wait and see what the Sharks can do.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Me too
My girlfriend had to try and calm me down last night after the game, but I woke up this morning with a clear head (not too tired for getting to bed at 12:30) and a “Shit, it was only one game” attitude. Not much use in fretting about last night for the next day and a half, so I’m with you waiting to see what they can do.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I can tell you whats going to happen!
They will play like its Game 55 of the regular season! Damn, I am Bitter this morning
yep.
last night i was pissed, this morning, merely despondent.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 15, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfuckingfortunately
I will be unable to actually watch Friday night. School banquet that I kinda have to co-host and all. So I will just have to be confident the Sharks will screw their heads on right, skate hard, hit the net, and do what needs to be done to win the game.
You better bet that I’ll be following the score on the phone though. And if the Sharks win like we all expect them too, I’m totally gonna announce that over the loudspeaker.
Go Sharks.
"Who were you rooting for in the Olympics?" - Drew Remenda
"I wanted Team India to go all the way." - Manny Malhotra
I am Sorry...
But this Love Fest is Disgusting, as a Sharks Fan, YOU Deserve More!
I Knew this would happen, cause during the Pre-game, I heard Quotes like…
“Business as usual” and “we need to play hard 45-60min”
Um… I am sorry, but We need to stop with the Dillusional Comments, If the sharks are not going to Play Hard, and realize that Game One of the Season is Less important than Game One of the Playoffs. well, then Game 2 may just go down the same way.
Perhaps I am Distraught over the Eventual Outcome, however, I feel the same way today, as I did last year, and Game 2 was not much better.
I wonder if a day will come, where the Sharks Fans will Boo the Play of their Team, Not because they Lack Faith, but because, the Sharks Players NEED to Play Better. How many years can you win divison and then the Conference, only to be disrespected in round one, consistantly.
Now… The Time is NOW! So Please, I implore you Fans to Demand Better!
I adopted this logo last time they went on a winning streak. I know that’s not how it works, but whatever. I’ll try anything.
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I gave up on the hockey boards (“Shark fans boo players”), and since it was still beer drinking time in Japan while the rest of you went to your sleepless beds, I turned to drowning my sorrows in the season opener of “Deadliest Catch.” A little caveat of advice for some Shark players from Captn. (back in the saddle again) Phil:
“You can watch things happen. You can make things happen. Or you can wonder what the f*ck happened. And I don’t want to be on number 3.”
by ToddMclellan'shair on Apr 15, 2010 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
I heard that on the news last night
that was so far from the truth. We i.e. fans at the tank did not boo our players. I certainly did not. I booed the Avs because out of rage and frustration and having all the shit go their way I BOOED the hell out of them. I would do it again. I have no problems booing at another team…this is playoffs gloves are off I will boo my mom if I have to. <—-OK no i wouldn’t but you know what I mean.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Players
Marleau was terrible out there. He turned over the puck constantly and only had a shot. Not only Marleau, but Heatley looked pretty bad out there. Heater was skating very lazily and fanned on every good chance that he had. Thornton, to me, actually looked pretty good out there. He was driving the net and looking more aggressive. Seto, Clowe and Pavs all played how I thought the secondary scoring should. Nabby looked good (I can’t count those goals against him).
This game was lost by a lackadasical pair from Marleau and Heatley (Maybe Murray and Huskins too)…
Time to step it up… Or we could see some huge changes next year.
Agreed
Marleau and Heater looked bad out there tonight. Joe was playing hard.
Huskins kept trying to shoot pucks through Avs players, and he was lucky and recovered fast enough to prevent breakaways.
Liles isn’t half the D-man that Boyle is, but unlike Liles nothing happened when Boyle had the puck. Everyone needs to step up.
Joe might have been playing hard, but I thought he still made too many bad/soft passes (not the only guilty party for sure).
nothing happened when Boyle had the puck. Everyone needs to step up.
I kept waiting for Dan Fucking Boyle to carry the puck into the zone himself. At least Seto was putting himself in position to go in with speed from the neutral zone, even though the execution might not have been there.
"Who were you rooting for in the Olympics?" - Drew Remenda
"I wanted Team India to go all the way." - Manny Malhotra
Boyle tried a few times. It’s just not going to happen in a trap situation. You have to dump the puck to the corner and chase it. The problem is we kept getting stood up in the neutral zone and not entering with speed.
Do that enough times and the Defense will start creeping back in their zone to prevent the dump and that’s when you can carry the puck into the zone.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
lack of execution
I thought the guys looked like the effort was there last night but they just couldnt execute. I enjoy watching the sharks lose against the trap especially when they keep trying the same shit expecting it to work.
We have no danglers or anyone who can take the puck into the zone without passing it. Also Super -seto was cool last night.. He would fly in on the forecheck only to get blasted by the Avs D where he would fall what looked very painfully in the ground.
We looked like poopoo last night. seriously this is a reoccurring thing so they should not be excused. I feel like the sharks will only win the cup a year no one expects them to.
The whole game all i could think about was the post game interviews and the same bullshit script we hear every losss…
Canadian accent: oh well you know we played hard and they got some bounces, I mean we outshot them and were a big team, no we arent worried. We didnt have the puck luck blah blah blah…
Basically we used to have the problem of having the skill and not the will… Now at least we seemed to have the will but are unable to bring both at the same time…
How annoying is it that our D cant get shots thru traffic? How annoying is our D in general?
Annoying is how I would describe the sharks in one word after last night… Only if I didnt care so much sigh….
After last night
I think it’s a bit unfair to criticize the D. They showed up for the most part, limited opportunities for the Avs. We’ve criticized the D all season long, but in reality, our D looks worse when the forwards don’t contribute. They float, and turn things into the opposing 3 forwards on our 2 d-men. On virtually every goal where we’d say our D looked soft, guaranteed there was a forward that got beat to a rebound by his defensive assignment.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
It’s kind of funny how all season long we were freaking out about our defense and secondary scoring and lately those have been our best, most consistent areas, secondary scoring especially.
Would you mind
Not telling the Sharks about that cross corner dump in please. I did not like how effective it was.
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Don't worry
I’m pretty sure they have a mental block against it anyway.
By the way, love your sig.
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Argh.
On the one hand, “it was a crazy bounce after a missed whistle, and never should have happened”. On the other hand, there is no “luck” in the Playoffs.
I was disappointed. I was let down. I was not nearly drunk enough. Watching that puck carom off of Blake’s skate in slow-motion, watching the chance for an OT push crumble, watching the Sharks get dismantled in their own zone … it was bad.
But I remembered through it all, this is one game. Is the opener any more important than Game 4? Game 7? Not really. Not mathematically, at least.
I retain hope. I remain optimistic. I think this will serve as a wake-up to the players who need to be awake for this series (I mean, you know, that special kind of awake. The kind of awake that makes Joe Thornton drop the gloves off the faceoff).
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
complicated and irrational
as any fan can be.
part of me thinks this team has no chance; porous defense, issues with overcoming the oppositions scheme, top line players who couldnt carry a shift let alone a team, and the painful fact that all of these problems have plagued this team from day one of this season- all lead me to resign myself to not getting hopeful for more than a late series push, an exciting games 3-6, and an early exit, once again. and i know no one of us can know how things will pan out, but hey, i want to protect myself from being burned by high expectations once again.
part of me though thinks this team has enough piss and vinegar to turn all of that on its head, and show me i am wrong, that the magical 2nd line will pull more than its fair share (as it has in the last month of the season) and somehow the topline will discover that next level, and captain patty will not play like he’s been huffing spray paint on the bench. maybe that 3rd line will be rewarded for being the most consistent threat the sharks offer, cycling the puck and winning battles on every single shift they take. maybe the stellar play this team is finally getting from nabby will pay off, and the defense in front of him will give him a break by communicating and not giving the entire zone to the other team.
maybe, just maybe.
but im not holding my breath.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 15, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions
ITA
I’m optimistic and I have faith…but I’m realistic too.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Losing happens
We all know that, any sports fan knows that- anyone who has played sports knows that. I hate it, but it’s part of the game. Unfortunately I missed the first two periods of the game, but here is what I have read everywhere so far- “The Sharks came out flat in the 2nd period.”. Now that is not OK, that is not acceptable. Can we put Plank out there please?! Tomorrow can’t come soon enough…
Meh
I’m determined not to get too depressed about this. It would be easy to say that the Sharks have failed to get the monkey off their backs, and therefore there is going to more pressure on them and that they have yet again proved that they do not yet know how to play playoff hockey…or that Thornton, after seemingly figuring out how to play it in Game 5 last year, has forgotten how. Its easy to complain about how the game was played with no discernable intensity, and there seemed to be little passion in the way the Sharks played, or how after failing on an opening power play, instead of pressing on for an opener, the Sharks allowed the next 5 shots on goal.
But im not going to do that, its just game one, and theres plenty of time to turn this thing around. Eugh.
Same story as last year
Top D line doing everything to shut down Jumbo Joe. Marleau trying to go to the net at least but just falling on his face all the time. Pavs and Joy seems like the only guys consistently going to the front of the net, which is a shame b/c one of them is probably the smallest guy on the team.
Nabby looked ok. Liles’ shot was pretty much a perfect shot with traffic and just a freak thing with the game winner. He did let that roller by Liles early in the 2nd go by though which shouldn’t have happened but just got lucky it missed.
In the 3rd, seemed like they did a good job having a guy cut across in front of the puck to draw the blue line D back a bit to let the skater cross with some speed. I think that was the most effective mode of attack last night, but the couple times that worked, the skater just shot it into Anderson’s chest. They need to be a bit more patient, maybe wait for some more traffic in the net and win some battles behind the net as well. The dump ins didn’t work too well last night, and it pains me everytime to see Torrie Mitchell chasing after those like a headless chicken and then realizing after he gets control that he sucks and can’t do anything with it except turn it over.
Staying positive...
I’ve calmed down a little bit now. There should be no work today, an off day where we all sit around a pool, drink beer and watch the day waste away for tomorrow to come.
Yeah...
I was at the game last night and while the atmosphere was awesome the game was lacking. I think the best way i could describe it was that they were so scared of repeating last season that they forgot how to play the game they are best at.
Way to go Clowe though… While I was thinking lets trade him away earlier this season all I can say is without him I don’t know where we’d be right now. He really lit a fire under their ass last night and also after the Olympic break. I’ll be going to next Thursdays game. Here’s to hoping the next few games are a different story!
"It's a very cozy sin bin."-Randy Hahn when 6 sharks were in the sin bin vs the Canucks 4/8/2010
Its as close to a must win game as you can get without it being an elimination game.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
It is a must-win game
That’s it. Simple as that. We’re one game into this series, and they’re facing a must-win.
This team takes 3 or 4 games to recover when the wheels fall off, and we don’t have 3 or 4 games. Win on Friday, or pull your pants down, Sharks.
They should all be must win games.
I hate looking at it like this. They all are must win. If you do not put forth the effort like it is game seven everytime you will keep losing. We have to adjust and keep attacking.
That's a bunch of crap actually.
For example, last year the Pens got blown out in game 5 in the SCF’s 5-0, they didn’t skate, they didn’t play hard, their goaltending sucked. Still came back to win the series.
There will be losses, you don’t have to be perfect every time, but you can’t string together any poor efforts. You have to come back hard the next game or you will be completely hosed.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
It’s true. If you play every game at game 7 intensity, you’ll be worn out by game 6. However, there does need to be a certain level of playoff intensity that’s higher than the regular season, probably.
Obviously no team will go through the playoffs perfect. The ability to bounce back and not get into a funk is what defines who will come out of the playoffs with the best chance at the Cup.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at the Wings
They’ll lose games, but then adjust, and come back. It’s automatic, and frustrating for everyone else.
The Sharks won’t win squat until they learn to do the same thing. Friday will reveal whether they can do this or not.
Hrmm
Aside from the trap, Colorado was really effective on their backcheck for most of the night. Avs forwards played high up, forcing the play to the perimeter, leading to too many cute passing plays and few shots (and when Sharks did shoot, many didn’t make it to the net. Pretty sure there was a PP w/o a shot on net as well >=X ). Then Ryane Clowe supershift happened and said fire was lit under their collective asses.
2nd line looked good out there, though I wouldn’t be adverse to mixing it up to spread out HTML. I loved Manny and Nichol’s hustle too (way to take out a goalie without knocking the net off the moorings). Hopefully the Mueller bad juju is out of the system since Captain Shoulder’s phantom hook and skate eventually led to both of their goals.
Here’s to the Sharks shaking it off, ready to kick-ass on Friday.
"Who were you rooting for in the Olympics?" - Drew Remenda
"I wanted Team India to go all the way." - Manny Malhotra
huge improvement from secondary group
I loved Seto and Clowe and a few others last night. I was disappointed with the loss but SJ is the better team if they show up. It’s theirs to lose, even starting in the hole.
Hansel: "Who are you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco? "
I'm hungover
As that game went along last night I drank more and more. Now I’m hungover/bitter/mad at the Sharks. I’m not giving up hope though. It is only one game and I liked the way the Sharks played in the 3rd period. One lucky bounce and the Avs lead the series. That’s the breaks of the game.
Go Sharks!
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
good point
if a series is about making adjustments….well the Sharks looked best at the end of the game, so maybe they have found the right mix to be effective against the Avs.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
exactly
Hopefully they saw what they needed to see, and will adjust accordingly. As someone on another forum said, maybe last night was enough to wake the sleeping giant and the Sharks will win the next 4. Sounds good doesn’t it?
Hope springs eternal…
and I STOPPED drinking in the second, cuz I started feeling sick to my stomach lol. Prolly bad idea….
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"What an idiot" - Craig Rivet
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by sharkiesgirl on Apr 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I am right there with ya.
Last thing I remember, I was stumbling around drunk at 10:30 PM singing this about 20 times, inserting Shark lyrics where necessary.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
I have no idea why, but I always have to listen to this song when I’m depressed ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvEpsDNQ75g&playnext_from=TL&videos=456bEUvdNvM
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
That...thing
is so hypnotizing…
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
Any word yet if Coach is going to split up Thornton-Marleau-Heatley? I personally would like to see those three split up to balance the lines.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I wouldn’t mind seeing the split they did earlier to get off the schnide. Couture centering Heater and Seto, Joe centering Torrey and Clowe, Marleau with Pavs and Manny, while the fourth line remains unchanged. I think this would be a much more balanced attack, and it could give us good match-ups.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
Fear the Fin: Where Sharks Fans Aren't Like Other Sharks Fans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I want them split up because 2 of the 3 just weren’t there last night. I’d rather put Thornton out there with Clowe and Seto. Considering the way those 3 were playing last night I think they could give the Avs fits. Plus we could keep our checking line together which was awesome all night long.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Sigh. I really just want to see this team play with a chip on their shoulder. Hell, I have a chip on MY shoulder, and I can’t even skate!
Ugh, time to move on. I can cheer for the Caps tonight, and then hopefully tomorrow the boys will be ready to play.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
Something to look forward too
Seto-Pavs-Clowe were dangerous all night long. Methinks they’ve earned their ice time. And so too have guys like McGinn and Couture. Expect to see more ice for those guys, which will result in more GPALZ!!!
I know I wasn’t at the game like you were, so it’s easier for me to go into blind optimism mode.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
It’s really depressing to go from the frenzy of playoff pregame at the Tank to losing in a listless effort. It’s really, really depressing. I’m starting to get over it, though. I can watch on TV on Friday, and maybe keep some objective distance. At least a little bit, maybe.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
my concern with the culture of the team
is that people who “earn” their ice time are too often made to sit on the bench in place of better players, whether or not they are earning it. But maybe I’m just cynical. I hope we’ll see more of them, too.
by a10dency2ask on Apr 15, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
One the bright side
Even though the Sharks lost, I don’t think the defense looked weak against the Colorado forwards. Defense has been the concern for the Sharks all season, so I feel better about a game where the offense struggled than I would have if HTML had scored 3 goals but we still lost 5-4 due to porous defensive play.
Granted, offensive slumps have happened this season and a multi game slump now would be bad news, but I have more faith in the offense recovering. Our defense was one unlucky bounce away from allowing one goal over 60 minutes, and if they can continue to do that the Sharks will win.
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
From Puck Daddy
PANIC TIME? There’s something to be said for the Avalanche’s composure in this game and during the latter part of the season, but the Sharks hardly put forth what can be considered an A-game effort last night. There were more trouble signs in that Game 1 loss to Anaheim last season than there were last night. Their offense hasn’t warmed up yet and it will. This could still be the 5-game series win for San Jose many predicted.
I'm scared
Did … did Wysh just say the Sharks could still win this? OH GOD WHAT REALITY AM I IN!?
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
Is this real life?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope so, becuase once it gets beyond 5 games, the chances of making a big run int he playoffs greatly decrease
by a10dency2ask on Apr 15, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
well, where i am, it’ll be friday sooner than it is for you
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
NO SPOILERS!
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
damn
I thought last night might have been a strange, lucid dream provoked by trepidation of another round one meltdown. I woke up this morning thinking ‘weird, did that reaaally happen?’ Sure enough I check FTF and once again see the pic of Avalanche players celebrating at the Tank – like a cold splash of water to the face.
Friday is a must-win. It just is. They can’t lose both games at home to start the series. I don’t recall the ‘chance of advancing’ percentages from the ANA series crash&burn, but it ain’t pretty.
Scoring the first goal will go a long way in igniting the crowd, boosting confidence and gaining momentum (and avoiding another listless traptastic match)
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
The first goal is pretty huge. Could you imagine if the Sharks came through on that initial power play? The roof would have exploded off the Tank. I think it would have made all the difference. Gotta score first, and gotta keep the momentum going after that.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Was the crowd looud?
On TV I heard a few “let go Sharks chants”. My last playoff game was game 7 against the Flames and we were standing and screaming the whole game. The crowd needs to carry the Sharks If they will not do it themselves.
It was actually pretty loud. Especially in the first, and then after the Sharks scored in the 3rd. In the second, the crowd was buzzing, really wanting to explode, but the Sharks just gave us nothing.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I was
screaming my brains out all night…ALL NIGHT! I had to dig deep in the 3rd to celebrate the Clowie goal <——and that says a lot…also had to dig deeper to harass the refs for making blind ass calls.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
all of the non-calls (no high stick calls for Col, multiple missed trips/interferences/crosschecks for the Sharks)
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I wasn’t expecting everything to be called. But when a guy is blatantly hauled down/tripped/crosschecked in front of the referee, they shouldn’t swallow their whistles. Wasn’t the “new” NHL supposed to have those penalties called tightly, even in the playoffs. Just to show that things were bad for both teams (not blaming the loss on the refs, just trying to show that obvious calls were missed), look at the missed high stick that ruptured that one dude’s face, and the goalie stick that caught Duchene in the face (even though it was on the follow through). Obvious double minor on the first, totally missed. I understand it’s the playoffs, but the rulebook isn’t thrown out when the playoffs start.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
missing the highstick is the new nhl
ask jumbo how many times he has been ripped open lately without a call!
(doesn’t make it right, but they consistently miss it)
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
Consistency
would be fantastic. First two calls were weak/phantoms, while they missed the big stuff. If the players have to step it up in the postseason, the officials should have to as well.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a big believer
That makeup calls don’t make up for anything. They just make people more mad and tend to make players do stupid things, resulting in more bad calls. Making the RIGHT call at the RIGHT time ensures the game is decided by players and not officiating decisions (point taken that games are never really decided by officiating, but we love to think so as we like blaming other people).
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They do piss me off to no end
Especially since Colorado’s first goal came as a result of one (replay shows Blake with his stick on the ice, nowhere near hooking). I totally agree; the right call at the right time leads to a good hockey game. Letting them play, so-to-speak, leads to a bunch of dudes whacking the crap out of each other and ugly hockey. Penalties are a part of the game, and if the NHL doesn’t want them to be, they should make a new rule that removes the power play from the postseason.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That last goal
was a frucking fluke! The goal was knocked out of position and Nabby had to fix it himself. My whole section thought there was going to be a whistle then nothing…then slow mo watching Nabby scramble…..watching puck go in..we all had to sit there for an extra 20 to get over the fact that the puck was deflected funny and it went off of Blakey’s skate. Refs sucked ass last night.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus
That was the SECOND TIME Nabby had to put the net back on himself last night.
That’s inexcusable for the officials.
Note
We lost because our offense let us down, not because of the refs.
But blowing the whistle for a net off the moorings is automatic. No exceptions.
Then why didn’t it happen when Nabby is backwards trying to put the net on?Will the calls in the game be reviewed? Will we get a new officiating crew?
No reviews now, nope. I’m sure the league will (silently) talk to the linesman and refs about the game, but the games for this round have been scheduled.
The first time it happened, Nabby was waiting for a whistle after Darcy Tucker crashed the net and knocked it off it’s moorings. He was looking at the linesman. No whistle. After that, i guess he realized he was on his own.
Really, McLellan should have been all over the officiating crew the first time it happened, plus Blake and the other As.
I absolutely think
that because of the refs and non-calls and nabby not even looking in the right direction cost us the game. Flag me if you want but I do believe it.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Nabby WAS looking in the right direction. I dunno where people are getting this from. He was facing the shooter and ready to stop anything he put on net, but instead he missed the net and it unluckily deflected off of Blakes skate. Nabby really did everything he was supposed to all game long imo. Watch a replay, Plank linked one farther down in this thread.
Will do
but there were several times Nabby was not turned completely around but he was fidgeting with his net to get back into position.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but it never caused a goal. I’m sure Nabby knows what he’s doing. He wouldn’t be fuckin around with the net when there could potentially be a shot on net.
The refs should obviously blow the whistle when the net comes off but if play is still going on it’s up to Nabby to keep pucks out of the net the best he can; and not having the net in place really messes with a goaltenders orientation and totally throws them off. Nabby was just doing his job, the refs weren’t.
I did not blame Nabby
I blamed the ref and I did not say it caused a goal. I said it should have been a whistle. Last time I’ll explain that.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t read all of the comments in here because it’s been fairly hectic, but Nabokov played insanely well all night long. He is probably the last person to blame.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Nabby was solid, really the offense, the one thing we were comfortable with, was what let us down. Everybody we said needed to step up did.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I’ve actually been saying all season we needed to pursue more offense…at which point I was told that, no, our offense was amazing, it was our defense that needed help. Depth of scoring is SO IMPORTANT in the playoffs. You can’t have it all on one line, or you’re gonna get burned.
This is why I think they should split up the big 3.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right in us needing more offense
But I think the trade season mentality was, we HAVE depth, and with the departure of Jody Shelley and the call-up of Logan Couture, we really do legitimately have 3 scoring lines. The outside of organization search did need to be defense, because we have had guys in house all along who could score.
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Or at least we assume they can score when needed. I’m sorry, but you can never have too much scoring! Especially since our defense would probably fare just as well with or without Wallin.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know about that. Wallin provides another stable guy we can run out there on the penalty kill. He’s good at defense, not so much on the offense, but the guy makes good decisions consistently.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yeah, maybe. I mean, I like Wallin. I just think, as a unit, the D corps is what it is, solid, but not spectacular. I think Demers couldda been hidden on the bottom pairing, and we wouldn’t have gotten into too much trouble. I just place this really high importance level on scoring depth. Maybe I shouldn’t have said the D wouldda been the same, but more that I believe the benefit of getting another scorer in stead of Wallin to bolster the D corps wouldda been greater.
But, can’t change it now. And we DO have the scoring to compete if everyone freaking shows up. Just time for them to do it already.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The Wallin acquisition had the benefit of not requiring us to sacrifice a roster player
We gave up a pick for it, and we got an expiring contract (which I know Wilson wanted to extend, so that may render this portion of my argument moot).
Again, scoring depth we had in the organization. Defense, not so much.
But I concur with you. It’s put up or shut up time.
Like you said earlier:
FUCK IT! LET’S DO THIS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Indeed.
Fuck It, Let’s Do This!
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Demers getting a bad rap?
Seems like turnoveritis is a Bay Area disease. The kid brings more than he gives up.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
Last night for sure he was on the positive side of the ledger
That hasn’t been the case all season. We may be letting the past cloud our judgement.
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I'm just sayin
He isn’t the only one and I like his game for the most part.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
I was guilty of blaming Nabby
Until I looked at the replay again. He was fine. Really, Patrick Marleau was just on vacation for that final shift. I have no idea what the man was doing.
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Waiting to be handed the puck is my guess. I’m glad that Joe was doing his best to try to keep the puck away from the net, and so was Blake for that matter, except Blake was ultimately the person who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake needed to clear the crease
Galiardi shouldn’t have been there for as long as he was.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
The man was trying
but in doing so he gave them a huge scoring chance.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He was standing in front of him trying to take away the pass, I don’t know that he was trying to clear the crease so much.
It was just generally a bad 30 seconds for everybody (but Nabby) on the ice in teal. Marleau was probably the worst, but Blake had to protect his goalie better.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I dunno. I think Blake was trying to allow the guy up since he had fallen inside the crease and blocked Nabby’s ability to do anything on one side of the net.
It really was pretty bad. I thought Nabby was doing great, but he really needed his entire team there instead of skating off in lala land hoping for a puck to be fed to them.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake did fine there in my opinion
He has the guy’s stick occupied, and he’s preventing him from getting good position.
When Galliardi is down, there’s not much anyone CAN do. When he gets up is what’s important, and the D do their job.
Really, it’s the forwards on that play. They do nothing to help their D win the puck.
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Nabby was on point last night. All night. He’s one of only a handful of people on the Sharks that I can say that about.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Flag me if you want but I do believe it.
Haha, this is going to be the buzz word of the day I think.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Yeah i’ve seen it a couple time already.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
mostly from me //snickers
dirty ditzy foul mouth antics I am…:P
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because we’re all going to start flagging people for having opinions we don’t agree with.
Sigh, me thinks people might be missing the point…
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The people I will flag will come down to two categories. People trying to personally insult me (or others on this board) or people coming here just to bash the Sharks without adding anything useful to the conversation.
Example can be found reading the WTC boards.
Beyond that everything is cool by me.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
people coming here just to bash the Sharks without adding anything useful to the conversation.
Sharks fans smell of elderberries!
Go Avs
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Flag!
For needless flagging of others! :-O
Man, this could get recursive real quick. Wonder what happens when everyone but Plank, TCY, Ivano, and K are banned …
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We apologize
Those responsible for the credits have been sacked.
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i'm confused
should we flag him, or is he making a joke?
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You clearly are unfamiliar with the comedic styling of Monty Python.
This is almost as bad as being a Red Wings fans, FYI
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now
I’m cool with Python references but there are lines.
Comparing us to Red Wings fans? That’s just low.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Not Sharks fans, people who don’t get Monty Python references.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Trust me, I lived in SJ for 3 years. Sharks fans are, mostly, good people. Well except right now.
We all share a hatred of Wings fans (even though I think they call this NHL fans), and the Ducks.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, so lets just all join arms in solidarity then…
Go COYOTES!
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Easy now, two wrongs don't make a right
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DETROIT!
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sorry...thats without me...
Sharks or nothing.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sharks aren’t in the Detroit series, so as much as I would like the Sharks to beat them they can’t at the moment, and that means defacto rooting for Phoenix
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
ROOTING AGAINST DETROIT!
THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER TEAMS BEFORE THE SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
no....
I mean if its not Sharks hockey…its nothing bwahahahahahha! I only watched other teams for seeding but now its purely tunnel vision.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you here. Anyone who’s playing Detroit, I’m instantly a fan of. GO COYOTES (until you play the Sharks!)
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm pretty damn slow
when it comes to jokes. I actually own the Holy Grail DVD, but the only thing on my mind right now is the games lol.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
mmmmmm elderberries...
huh? what?
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm doing it comically
you know court jester that’s my job…and fight-breaker upper…I’m not serious about flagging me because my opinion and views oppose anyone else’s….damn it we’re starting to turn on each other!!!! DON’T BITE ME!!!! I DON’T TASTE LIKE BEEF!!! heh?
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What is Nabby doing bothering with the net?
I thought he looked a little scrambly on the last goal. Definitely not blaming him, but he never looked settled that final minute.
If the net is off it’s moorings, big deal. Why is he worried about the net behind him rather than the play in front?
I feel bad saying anything negative about Nabby given that he kept his team in it on a night they were clearly outplayed, but when you have THAT job on THAT team, every small mistake gets magnified.
A part of me believes if he was just focused on stopping the puck and not so scrambly, even the bad deflection from Blake’s skate is stoppable.
But whatever. Bounce back for the entire team. Hopefully Nabby has a chip on his shoulder and doesn’t shrug it off as “not my fault.” We need us some cocky, focused Nabby now if the offense isn’t going to get it done.
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That's what I was wondering about
It’s not his job to put the neck back on. If they score and the net is dislodged, no-goal (unless they determine that the net was intentionally dislodged.
If anything, I would have pushed the net all the way to the boards, just to get their fricking attention.
you know the only real criticism I have of Nabby is he looks a little lazy recovering from each play…if the shot goes wide there is a moment where he almost relaxes before tracking the puck, which often comes back out front or around the other side.
when he struggles, those lags are more apparent. When he is hot he springs back, post to post.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
I don't think Nabby will admit it
But that also sounds like a symptom of playing too much…
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interesting
people that criticize Martin Brodeur cite his regular season success and playoff dropoff as evidence he is not that reliable in the clutch…
both goalies face similar criticisms and year in and out are on the ice A LOT. could be something to it.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
See: Kiprusoff, Mikka
Or however you spell his name.
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thats what I was mostly screaming about
when Nabby has to put his house back onto his foundation THERE HAS TO BE A GODDAMN WHISTLE!!!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the refereeing was pretty fair. I mean, they let a lot of shit go…but they let it go both ways. All I really want in a hockey game is for it to be called fair and down the middle. For the most part, I thought it was. At least from where I was sitting.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
This is playoffs
not fair to them = fair for us = WIN….I don’t care if you don’t call our penalties….CALL THEIRS THAT WAS GLARING US IN THE FACE!!! Sorry ILU2.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The Tank was playoffs loud in the 1st period, quiet in the 2nd, and loud again after the Sharks score. That place looked like it was going to explode. I actually woke up with a sore throat, which didn’t happen for a while.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
They played horrbily last night. Every pat of the game was off. They couldn’t settle the puck down or get shots on net. They couldn’t prevent the Avs from randomly throwing pucks to the net, which ended up winning te game. They couldn’t find the back of the net even when they looked good, like the early PP and the middle and end of the third period. They couldn’t win a couple of key faceoffs (like the last one). They especially couldn’t get to loose pucks and gain puck control in the Avalanche zone. It was a really poor effort for the Sharks.
BUT, there are seven games in a series. I don’t feel confident for the rest of the series, but there are still six games left. It isn’t over. The team needs tp come back big time tomorrow night, or it could be over though.
this looked like the pre meltdown play a few weeks ago
before the big slide they were barely hanging on to win with last minute bursts and no show 2nd periods.
I am not to upset because maybe that is who this team is…hugely talented jekyl and hyde
when the gel they are unreal but most of the time they can’t all hit the same gear at the same time
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
The worst part about playoffs is to wake up the next morning after a loss, and wonder if it was all a bad dream and then realize it wasn’t and the season could be over in a matter of days.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
So...
I’m pretty much afraid to go to any other hockey site today. I feel safe here.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
ZOMGSHARKS=CHOKERZTHORNTONBUMMARLEAUNOHEARTHEATERGUTLESS!
Just in case you were wondering what the other sites are saying. I tried to improve the grammar and spelling a bit but that’s a tall order…
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NO HEART! NO GRIT!!
GET IGINLA!
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
Fear the Fin: Where Sharks Fans Aren't Like Other Sharks Fans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly?
If they lose this series, the first two might well be true after all. In which case, bye bye Marleau, bye bye Nabby. It may not have been their fault, but it is their problem. Iginla isn’t the answer, but rebuilding might very well be.
Yeah
Ive steered clear of any hockey related sites other than FTF today. I dont wanna read endless articles about the Sharks “choking”. Granted I was freaking out last night ive taken a step back and calmed down a bit today. Its one game, lets see how they come out game 2. If its like Game 1 however then i might worry.
"Hes like a Sweedish Bear" -Randy Hahn 4/8/10
I went on ESPN for a second, and the bounced off too. Couldn’t stand it, but at least Puck Daddy made me feel a little better- just a little.
I listened to Bill Simmons' podcast about the NHL playoffs
Dave Dameshek had some sympathy for Sharks fans, but then it turned into him and Simmons taking shots at the city of San Jose for a good minute or so afterward. So angry right, and I’m normally a fan of SImmons’ podcasts.
I was going to spend a whole day without looking at anything hockey related, but I can’t.
The game is bigger than me.
Or something.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
We have to remember
That one stupid lucky bounce goal with 50 seconds left in the game doesn’t determine a series, or give the upper hand to anybody. I’ve seen comebacks against the Sharks when they were up 2-0, 3-0, hell, even 4-0. One goal isn’t gonna make this series. The more we lament on years past, the more we drown ourselves into hopeless oblivion by living vicariously through previous series, squads, and heartbreaks. This isn’t going to be fixed by bringing a star to the team, as the Avs proved last night (11 of their players on the Avs squad played in their first playoff game last night). This isn’t about experience, about seasoned vets, about rookie dreamteams- this is about the playoffs. This is hockey. And whoever wants it more, it’s up for grabs. The Avs could have finished first, and we could be sitting in the eighth seed right now- doesn’t matter. Regular season stats, development, everything goes out the window in the playoffs. You play the game, you go out, and you want it, and you win it. That’s what the Sharks need to understand: just because you finish first during the regular season doesn’t mean it’s going to be an easy coast to the finish- you need to keep the drive going, if not more so than the regular season.
As for everyone who’s talking about getting new players, rebuilding, cleaning house, etc… Stop. Now is not the time. There’s a whole offseason to talk about new players, new play strategies, and new management. Right now, we’re in the thick of things. This is the playoffs, and we’re not gonna get anywhere by thinking about the future. There is no excuse for playing like a bunch of prima donnas out on the ice like we saw in Game 1. You want to score? Go out there and do it. Don’t sit back and think that just because you have a better record, the Avs are just gonna give you the series. This is the time to kick it into overdrive, to keep pushing, making plays, and bringing home a victory.
The more you talk about choking, the more “here we go again talk” that happens, the more this playoff epidemic is going to continue. You want to bitch about the Sharks getting shafted in the third in game one by a lucky bounce as the end of the world? You might as well just throw on an Avs jersey and start listening to Altitude.TV announcers. This is not the time to bitch. Support the boys in teal, and let them know that this is the time to rock and roll over these goons from Colorado.
"He's like a swedish bear"- Randy Hahn, during the Sharks-Canucks brawl on 4.8.2010
Amen bro
I had to read all the way to the bottom of these comments to find something that cured my disappointment. Sharks fans are way too hard on the boys after one game, rightfully so, but still. My opinion is, if we play that poorly and lose by one goal in the final minute, all we have to do is play decent and we have a win. Keep your heads up Sharks fans, we’re winning Game 2, taking both games at Pepsi Center, and finishing in 5 at home. Go Sharks!
"Until it's over, I'm not going to tell you it's over." - Nabby
most people here have faith
or they wouldn’t spend time and the emotional investment on the team.
That said, the favs lost again. All season long people have said the post season is all that matters for this team. They lost and looked pretty average doing so.
We are here to share our frustrations and vent and look for the positives with other supporters right? If our only goal was to bag on team teal we would go to the other boards.
Everyone here will be ready to rock on Friday.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
It would make a hell of a lot of sense!
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Not at all.
GOLG’s never typed a serious word in his life.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
Proud member of the "Keep Marleau Forever" Club
by Lurker Shark on Apr 15, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
To sum it all up...
On my friend’s cubicle at his work this morning.
by Ronnibily on Apr 15, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 13 recs
Fanshot that bad boy!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I totally need one of these.
All of a sudden, everyone wants to talk hockey tonight.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
I need one of those slapped on my back as I go about the rest of my day
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey....
I might do that!!! :D Awesome. I thought of posting the Palin mask on my office door but there might be ramifications for that. Tell your buddy thanks and if I ever meet him I owe him a beer for the great idea!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but here’s the video of Doug Wilson on the CBC feed.
Never have I seen the man show so much emotion.
I don’t care what anyone says about Wilson— he has put the team into position to win every single night, and despite all of the postseason disappointments and questionable monetary compensation for lower-tiered players, is definitely a top five GM in the league right now. I can’t even imagine what he is thinking today.
Big time game tomorrow. Fasten your fucking seatbelts.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I was watching the CBC feed last night
I hope he remembers this when Marleau comes in for his next contract…
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
The Sharks losing
Done got me fucked up rogue!
oh man, i watched that video the first time and closed it after seeing his first reaction thinking you were being sarcastic or something; but after seeing his reaction near the end of the clip, damn, never seen him get like that.
He really is a great GM and one of the biggest things I thought he messed up on recently, giving Clowe such a big contract, is actually looking like a smart move for the future (and the present) right about now.
I disagree with you here Plank, and I think with most Sharks fans.
You say that he put the team together, and yes he did – every single one of them except Marleau and Nabokov were brought in by him. But even those two were resigned by him, so in theory, this squad is 100% his.
But we pointed out before that this may be a wrong cast of players to try to play posession puck game. If this cast of players continues to lose and unable to deal with pressure and with the cursed neutral zone traps, this is also DW’s fault, because he sure as hell replaced everyone else – all coaches, and all players, since he got here.
I have no idea what ownership is thinking at this point, but I don’t think DW should be held blameless.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Maybe not blameless
But you sure as heck can’t say he didn’t improve the team AND make every effort to make them better.
He has a theory on how this team should be built, and he has steadfastly execute that plan.
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Additionally
If you look at the likes of Pavelski, Setogutchi, Clowe, McGinn, Couture and Ferrerio, it’s not like he’s totally left the cupboard bare in terms of the future of the franchise.
Even if Thornton, Marleau and Nabokov are gone in the next 2 seasons, there is still a core to this team that can be built around reasonably quickly, and there is some salary available to make improvements.
Even if he didn’t put a Cup Champion on ice, it’s not like he gambled away the entire farm to do so. The team will still be competitive for a long time.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
And that’s probably why he won’t lose this job this summer no matter what.
Competent GM is perhaps the hardest person to find in the world of NHL.
But who knows. This summer just might be Yzerman’s sweepstakes.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Yes, he improved them, but to what extend? I’m not too thrilled with pacific divisions and weird banners like Western Conference titles. In terms of playoff runs, we’re worse than we were before the lockout.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Worse by which metric?
His first year as GM, we went to the WCF’s. I’m fine with attributing that to Dean Lombardi. Since then, we’ve finished higher in the West, won the Pacific 3 times straight, and been more of a favorite than an underdog. We got outmatched by stacked teams pre-lockout with the odd upset. I don’t understand how we are “worse.” We have just as many Cups under Wilson’s relatively brief tenure as we did under Dean Lombardi’s. I have tremendous respect for both men, but to say we’re worse is a stretch in my view.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
DW has put the pieces in place for a contender every year he’s been GM, as evidenced by those Pacific and Western Conference banners that indicate regular season success. At some point, it’s the players who have to win in the playoffs. For that reason alone he shouldn’t be fired. There are a lot of franchises that would love to have the kind of regular season record we have.
Todd McLellan is a good coach, and while he has more responsibility for the team’s playoff fate, he hasn’t done anything that would deserve a pink slip.
After this season, the window is closed for the high-priced players on this team. If they choke again, Marleau and Nabby should be let go. Blake too. Get younger and cheaper, get used to being a playoff bubble team, and let the kids figure things out. Firing competent management makes your franchise worse, not better (see Senators, Ottawa and Lightning, Tampa Bay).
I'll actually disagree on Todd McLellan a tad
He’s not been outright bad or anything, but I wonder, much like Ivano has said of Wilson’s assembly of the team, whether McLellan is the right fit for this team. He’s a player’s coach for sure, but the team seems inflexible and slow to adapt. It makes you wonder if they are being prepared well.
I also question small things, like last night, after the goal goes in, if McLellan has a timeout at his disposal, why not use it?
Additionally, looking at ice time distributions, I know he wants HTML to get going, and he loves Dan Boyle, but with McGinn seeing only 4.5 minutes of ES ice time? What’s that about?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I put all of that on the players. Coaches can only do so much. You win with your best players scoring, not putting your hopes on the Jamie McGinn-type players. Boyle is a top puck-moving d-man in this league; you have to trust him to play his game. Same thing with Nabby.
If he sends out HTML in the final minute of the game, they better damn well play up to their abilities. If they don’t, how is that McLellan’s fault?
After this season, the window is closed for the high-priced players on this team. If they choke again, Marleau and Nabby should be let go. Blake too. Get younger and cheaper, get used to being a playoff bubble team, and let the kids figure things out. Firing competent management makes your franchise worse, not better (see Senators, Ottawa and Lightning, Tampa Bay).
I don’t even want to entertain that possibility right now, but this is completely right. And if I want anyone making trades and reconfiguring the roster, I’ll take the man who has probably been the best in the business at it over the course of the last five years.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Agreed. If the Sharks are due for a roster overhaul, I want DW at the helm. He’s definately proven his ability to put together a talented roster, and I’m pretty sure he will do it again and again.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
but everyone has their hero and if Patty is healthy past game 78 I don’t think you entertain moving him (if the hometown discount still applies)
course everyone is expendable if the price is right (see: Gretzky)
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
I’d keep Nabby if we can find a mutually beneficial salary. We can’t find a better GK in the open market. He’ll probably retire in 3-4 years anyway.
But Marleau and Blake would have go.
I would also look at what kind of return we can get for Thornton. He’s a pillar of this team, and the best post season in the Sharks history was reached without him.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
ha ha
you dared! I knew someone would!
“I would also look at what kind of return we can get for Thornton”
good on ya for bein bold
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
I don’t know. It’s probably all emotions, because Joe is still one of the top 5 centers in the league. In the regular season.
But it sucks to watch Joe getting outplayed by 24 year old Stastny who played a total of 9 playoffs games leading to this one. Stastny is also one ugly man.
Quiet Olympics didn’t increase the level of my love for him either.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
rosterbation
is especially pleasing in the playoffs.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
I never understood that
what motivation would the guys have to play for us if we’re begging to sell them off when they choke? Boggles my mind…especially since you all are on the sell Clowe wagon…now not so much anymore cause well hes a beast but once he starts being dumb again its back on that wagon.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
5.6 million reasons.
its not the losing that is the frustration its when the losing occurs.
Clowe looked phenomenal and many people have acknowledged that.
and we are all allowed to love and hate players as long as we love the Teal right?
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
//hangs head
yes….i should have stuck with my blank jersey…//sighs
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If you aren’t lovin on Clowe this place wouldn’t be the same.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
Straight.
Everyone’s got their picks, be it a player, a team, a coach. It’s part of what makes us unique beyond the shared common GO SHARKS we all share ’round here.
‘cept the visitors, of course, but even they have their place when it’s civil.
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
I'll drink to that.
and poor poor cheechoo
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
hahahaha
blind optimism what an endearing quality….I actually have a blank teal jersey that I might get Heatley on during the off season…just looks so sad just bare in the back. Plus I realized those chicks with blank jerseys are just their for their boyfriends and I am there for myself…so I best slap Heater’s name on the back of my teal. REPRESENT! PEW PEWPEW!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now
I’ve had a blank jersey for years. Sorta glad i didn’t get any names on it since the people i would have picked are no longer on the team. I dodged the Nolan bullet there lol.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooops see
generalization makes an ass out of myself…from what I’ve seen…and you know which girlies I’m talking about…you can pick them apart from those who are dedicated…those who look like they’re going clubbing rather than to a game? Yea. Those chicks. I look like every other dude in the joint..hmmm thats not an attractive thing to say to myself. Haha!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
I’d rather be one of the boys than one of the ditzy chicks who doesn’t know what the hell any of the penalties are, or sits there will cellphone open playing around instead of watching the game. I’m probably going to get yelled at for this one, but WHO THE HELL came up with those nasty pink jerseys for women?! They’re cute on kids, but I do no, or the life of me, see the reason why those should exist for an adult.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Female fan backlash at pink jerseys
Is a well documented phenomenon in the NHL. Puck Daddy has actually covered the issue very well, and gives the NHL major thumbs down for not treating its female fans better.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I'm confused...
does that mean Puck Daddy gives pink jerseys an OK ? Cause I’d never be caught dead in anything pink resembling my team…they are designated colors for a reason…you stick to them even if they’re butt ass ugly. Your team = you rock your team colors.
Surprising I said that why? My favorite color is pink. hah!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No no
Puck Daddy thinks that the pink jerseys are basically the NHL’s failure to grasp that female fans exist, thus, they put out garbage like that so the Manly Men can dress their girls up pretty or something.
Fuck’d if I know why they exist, dumbest damn thing I seen this side of Jersey Fouls.
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
I see.....
that’s cool…if I wanted to look girly rocking my black armour I’d just wear a super duper short skirt under it and come with bedhead! LOL totally kidding.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
shudders
They are blasphemous! Teams shouldn’t have to attract female attention to the game or the teams with pink jerseys. They honestly should have stuck with the clothing line they keep coming out with. The women’s shirts are amazingly cute, and I already suckered myself into convincing my husband to buy me the bikini (which is still back ordered) but the pink jerseys stepped over the line in my opinion.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Verrry true.
I love the women’s shirts like the one I have…“I only date Sharks Fans” but its grey with teal writing…its not pink.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude
I soooo wanted the “who’s your Nabby” shirt when they came out. I managed to snag a really cute shirt from the 50% rack when I was down there that’s has “San Jose Sharks” written all over it. Only teal baby hehe.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
yep Cerise
was contemplating booing the ladies in pink last night hahahha
I mean yea its cute and good ‘concept’ i guess but true fans rock the teal/white/black armour….that’s right.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I have a good friend who always goes on a rant whenever she sees other girls in pink jerseys. I’m pretty sure most chicks who are real sports fans hate them.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
That is an amazing way to test other girls.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this is true
Granted I thought you were crazy at first, but I think that’s what make me like you so much ms clowie
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you thank you...
everyone always gives me the throw her in a padded cell look when I clearly state Ryane Clowe and Mark Ellis are my boys because they are off the cuff kind of guys but I love them all the same. Plus I see the positive qualities in them that other people seem to glaze over.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
well
You have good taste in players. My dad is typically spot on when it comes to players and their abilities in the ice, and he has nothing but good to say about Clowe.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know— I think the regular season success is a huge example of how well he has run this organization. DW has built the team into one that is able to compete for the Cup every single year.
He has consistently drafted well. Division titles, Western Conference titles, a Presidents’ Trophy. They have improved every single year since he got here.
At this point, it’s all on the players. The coaching staff and general manager deserve some of the blame yes, but far less than the 23 guys actually playing the game. The definition of intangible is an asset that cannot be seen, touched, or physically measured (“will over skill”). If we agree that the Sharks lacked something along these lines during game one last night, then we are acknowledging that it is impossible for us to effectively determine what went wrong.
Wilson provides the blocks for the team to build something great. It is up to the players to construct that holy house. There is nothing he can do other than provide them that opportunity. And he has.
His hands are tied at this point.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
The players need to do something, but not adjusting to the Avs style of play was infuriating. McLellan has really got to be willing to adapt during the playoffs.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
He did
It didn’t turn the tides, but in the 3rd, the Sharks were moving the puck much more quickly through the neutral zone to eliminate the trap. Cross ice dumps, quick outlet passes, etc.
For sure, I mentioned as much in this article. But when two coaching changes have happened already, and the GM has shaken up the team as much as possible while still keeping them elite, I have a hard time thinking that we’re letting the players off lightly here.
Again, McLellan’s inability to adapt during the majority of the game played a role in the loss. But he doesn’t lose puck battles in the corners, blow shots wide, or miss defensive assignments.
Ultimately, it comes down to the players for me. It’s up to them to respond.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Yeah, fair enough. I know I screamed “Put the damn shots on net” more than once last night.
They better come out possessed tomorrow
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
APE SHIT!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
shenanigan time!
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing: the Sharks, as the #1 seed, should be forcing the Avs to adapt to their style. McLellan is a patient coach, not getting too up or down. He brings that attitude from the Wings. The 2nd period showed that the players weren’t going to be able to play their style, so he adjusted. Too late, you say? Maybe. But the way the Sharks are going to win this series is to dictate the play, and that means HTML and Pavelski and Seto and Clowe need to score, plus the odd chip in from Manny and McGinn, and the blueline.
First, he did that last year and has said he should have changed things up sooner.
What I don’t think he ever adjusted on was dealing with the top line. For whatever reason they weren’t playing well aside from Jumbo, yet they ate up the minutes while the guys that were out there working spent most of the night on the bench. I don’t know if he should Ron Wilson his lines or just adjust time, but that’s more where I was angry at his inability to adapt to the situation than the rest of it. Who was out there for the final minute? Who wasn’t trying to win puck battles that eventually led to that goal?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Fair enough.
But right now, we’re looking around for someone to punch. I’m guilty of it too, mind. Anyone and everyone in the Sharks organization probably has a reason for being fired when you’re in this mindset.
Yeah, I’m annoyed. Really, I’m just terrified, which is something I’ve been for a month now.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
see and everyone is like why u nervous???
why so serious?? cause stuff like this makes me pee my pants!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be nice if the Sharks gave me a little breathing room. Tie up the series. Something.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
agreed 100%
i wouldn’t feel like Fat Bastard is sitting on my chest eating a chicken waiting for tomorrow’s puck to drop.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
i just got the mental image of that….I think i’m horrified, and will not be able to sleep tonight.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
better than...
closing your eyes and still seeing the palin mask.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
they sorta flop back and forth inside my head. I’m afraid theme music will apply itself any moment.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
every team that lost is hearing the same thing…our goalie has questions. Our big guns aren’t firing. Our coach..our gm…!
I have been listening to XM Radio all day and it seems like we are all saying the same things!
The good news is that if fans have their way Ryan Miller, Luongo, Nabby etc will all be available next year!
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
And I don’t get why McLellan can’t adopt a game plan for each opponent.
If Babcock could do it with the squad he had at the Olympics, why can’t McLellan?
The cliche “if we play our game, we can beat anybody” is heard all too often in San Jose.
Hell, even Ron Wilson could adapt for each opponent at the Olympics.
Ron Fricken Wilson.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Yeah, The Russians just played their gameplan at the olympics, everybody else adapted.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Exactly. Coaching plays a larger part than many realize.
Still can’t believe they trotted Ovie out for 3 penalty shots and only let Datsyuk shoot once…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
He was going with who everyone perceived to be a leader.
My bigger issue is the fact that Bykov did not attend a single NHL game in the fall leading to the Olympics.
But I don’t want to go there. I moved on.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Maybe our players just aren’t smart enough to actually follow the game plan? Just a thought.
PS We don’t know how the coaches prepare these players, so it’s actually really difficult to lay the blame squarely on them.
Somehow HTML line + Boyle followed their game plan perfectly against Russia, Slovakia and USA.
They’re not stupid when they know their role.
I would have no problem thinking that Joe or Patty are just not born to be winners if they didn’t have that damn gold medal stand on display at HP.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
HTML didn't do as much to earn it though
Hate to bag on our guys, but watching the tournament, Perry/Getzlaf/Morrow made more of their top line minutes against better competition than HTML did against weaker competition.
We love the fact that HTML was good against the Swiss, but really, the Swiss? Morrow had 7 minutes of ice time that game.
In the gold medal game, Ryan Getzlaf was the best center in the world. Period.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I think I’d still take Crosby over Getzlaf if I could choose.
Actually, Malkin, please, especially when his parents are in town.
Morrow’s line was a shut down line. That’s also the role Toews played. I don’t think Bykov even knew who Toews was.
I think the HTML line had good Olympics overall. Remember, they were the only ones going before knock out stages began. Oh wait, where have I seen this before?
HTML line just might be the best regular season line of the decade. In any tournament.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
I know Crosby has his detractors
But his GWG was a great goal. It wasn’t luck, it wasn’t a fluke. We worked harder than anyone on the ice and got rewarded for it, and he did it in the biggest game on Canadian Ice since the Summit Series. That count’s for something.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
*HE worked
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I wish that someone else scored that goal, but got to give the kid props about one thing – he never feels the pressure.
Unless Zetterberg is on the ice.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
I feel pressure when Zetterberg is on the ice
So I can hardly blame the kid
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Zetterberg is Crosby-kryptonie. Which really puts me in a weird place. Because I really don’t like Crosby, and cheer when he gets shut down or loses…but I hate the Red Wings, and don’t want them doing good things either.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But you can’t conclude, therefore, that McLellan didn’t prepare the players.
9 missed shots (with at least two open-net looks) and two goal posts. Poor coaching?
It's really frustrating when there's so much blame that it can go around a few times over...
CAN WE WIN THE NEXT GAME PLEASE!?!?!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
YES WE CAN!!!!
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
McLellan didn't learn his lessons from last year
Last year, McLellan tried to match Randy Carlyle for defensive matchups. Carlyle won the matchup battle, no less on Sharks’ home ice. Sharks were down 0-2 and then McLellan decided to stop playing matchups, which was pretty useless because the Ducks’ now had home ice and the 1st and 3rd last shift change and the Sharks’ coaching staff couldn’t prevent Pronger from going out against the top line.
Yesterday, McLellan was late to adapting (if at all) to the trap. Sharks are down 0-1.
Avs are doing the same thing to the Sharks that the Ducks did to them last year. Unacceptable.
Patty Marleau: An Erotic Life
Picked overall #2
Adored by the faithful
Trade rumors abound
Turns-around career
Year of the Cup?
by Will Bulldozer on Apr 15, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True, he can’t do anything now.
Also, I think the final results of the organization at this stage are not evaluated by the regular season results. The Sharks are a mature NHL club with expectation of winning the Stanley Cup right now, not in 5 years from now. We’re not the Oilers or even the Avs whose only goal is just to make the post season. Our goal is to win the Cup. We’re spending to the salary cap maximum, the arena sells out every night, and no one is talking about being satisfied with just the regular season.
Long playoffs run is also how the NHL club makes money. The financial impact of all this is not something the owners take for granted.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
I might be wrong on this
But I think this is the first season we’ve spent to the cap, and that was in large part because we wanted to acquire Dany Heatley. Even if it’s not the first season, I have to think spending to the cap is a fairly recent development for this team, which I think only strengthens Wilson’s rep as a solid GM. He did more with less. In the pre-cap era, I doubt we ever spent anywhere near Detroit money, which is a credit to Dean Lombardi. But again, I think Wilson’s approach has to count for something. The team does win an awful lot of games.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
We’ve been a salary capped team for two years now. Last season wasn’t as severe, but the San Jose payroll was up there at the tops in the league.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
BTW, the link takes me to the game highlights. Can’t find the interview.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
That's what we're looking at
It was his reaction. Especially the second time the camera shows him, which I think is a replay of his reaction to the goal.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Yeah, the “Fuck off!” outburst that he spewed out. Wilson was just stunned. I feel worse for him than I do the players at this point. He’s done everything in his power to allow them to succeed.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I have a really hard time blaming DW for any of this. He has put together a quality product every single year. Every year he tweeks the lineup, brings in better and better pieces, and the team looks better and better. And then every year, something happens in the playoffs, and they choke (or whatever you want to call it). But you can’t fault the man for icing one of the top-5 most talented rosters in the NHL because they all pussed out and couldn’t get the job done. DW is doing a hell of a job, IMO.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wayne Thomas looked pissed also as he got up and walked away. And goalie interference much?
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
Fear the Fin: Where Sharks Fans Aren't Like Other Sharks Fans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
My feelings exactly
heh
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I giggled and pointed that out last night. I think that’s what we all were feeling.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw the post last night
but didn’t notice the birds until just now. Great stuff. I threw my glasses across the room and uttered a bunch of profanities. I think that picture sums up my feelings, and I imagine most others’ as well.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I was doing the same thing up on the second level…
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor Hedican
Not sure if you guys already mentioned this, but Hedican was so fired up in the pregame show….postive and excited. In the postgame show you could see his frustration…he is so new to Shark playoff struggles….he seemed shocked whereas the others didn’t seem as stunned. He said something like “I just expected more from certain players”……yep yep, it can be hard to watch them sometimes. But, I am still pumped for tomorrow and I still believe!!
Welcome to our world, Bret.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
What thread did the Palin Mask drama unfold on
that created such a stir in the comments during the game?
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
Dear Sharks, FTF'ers, Visitors, Haters, Lovers, Lurkers, et al.
FUCK IT.
LET’S DO THIS.
— your friendly neighbourhood xarexerax
PS:
In this instance, “THIS” refers to watching some playoff hockey and reveling, anguishing, rosterbating, and generally cavorting together.
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
Just got offered tickets for tomorrow's game....
my stats are currently sitting at 2-2-1…I personally don’t think I should go…what do you guys think? I’d like to see them play tomorrow but…man..i dont know if I can go through that again. Everytime I go Clowe scores but theres a chance we lose…so…I’m Clowe’s good luck charm..that’s about it. HAH!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
SHIT!
I thought I was in the OT thread…fak…bring it over there peeps!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
SHIT! I meant the
Playoffs Game thread that Plank put up….sorry Plank :(( forgive me.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you should go....
2-2-1 aint bad at all.
I’m 0-3 in the playoffs :-(
by SharksFanTillDeath on Apr 15, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Compromise
Sell ME the ticket. I’m 1-0 in the playoffs, and like 6-1 overall.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
you really want to? forserious?
because I can connect ya to the guy.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if you don't want the ticket
email me at rishianarain@yahoo.com if you decide against going
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
But really
You should go
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
oh man...
I just talked to him and he offered them to me personally. He asked a bunch of other peeps and he was waiting for me…sorry I just blueballed you. :((
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet you do that a lot
;)
I kid. No worries. GO SHARKS!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Again, if I had balls...
the Sharks blueballed me about 100 times last night so I’M REALLY SORRY. And about the I bet you do that a lot….when did you talk to my ex? :P
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
man
I wish i could go to another game again. Right now we don’t have the kind of money to spend 400 on 2 tickets =(. So far my record is flawless. They haven’t lost any game i’ve gone to.
BTW GO WOMAN!!! It’s an awesome chance to go to 2 playoff games.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
I’ve got a perfect record; the Sharks haven’t even given up a goal while I was in the Tank.
Unfortunately, there’s no way no how I can go to any game during the Playoffs. C’est la vie.
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
well my ticket was
$88 last night 212 row 3 (obstructed view) and tomorrow night is $75 section 227 row 3…so its not nearly $400…:(( you just don’t live close enough to do last minute jumps.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The issue is
travel costs. Price of ticket isn’t $400 per pair, but when you add food, gas, and all those expenses to the mix, it cuts to about that. Heh.
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
yea i get it now hehe
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
we're really fans...
when we keep stats on ourselves…LOL!
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
rofl
ain’t it the truth.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
my co workers were laughing
cause today was the dept pizza lunch and they asked if i was going to game 2 I shot out my personal game stats and they laughed for about 5 minutes at how weird that is.
"God save us all." - FTF Staff
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 15, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m 1-0 in the playoffs
SMALL SAMPLE SIZE!!!!!
Personally, I’m 2-2 in the playoffs. Both losses were at game 1s of the series…which makes sense, looking at the Sharks’ record in home game 1s lately.
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
*Sigh*
That Clowe goal gave me some hope that they finally beat Anderson and they will now play more comfortably and win…and that they now can focus about winning rather than tying the game, but no…Please win on Friday Sharks for our sake, so we don’t have to fight all the “Choker” crap for you again… :|
Go Sharks!
Don't let them get to you
Go through the posts and see some of the positives that people are saying about the players. Don’t allow one game to get in the way of your hopes. If people are already hopping on the “choker” bandwagon then throw some stats at them, or have a witty comeback. “wow it’s amazing you can tell all of that just from one game. You must be psychic to know that’s what’s happening right now.”
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Last night was my first playoff game at the Tank, and it certainly blew my mind. I had fun, and certainly won’t be the last time I’ll be there during the playoffs.
They’ll be fine. All the faith and hope to them, it’s just one game. We’ll get them.
Anyone last night at the Tank see a crazy short girl with painted teal face carrying a sign saying “Kiss Me Setoguchi”, saying to everybody “it has to happen!”?
What I forgot about playoffs...
Everyone analyzes the hell out of every game.
So I read everything and I think I got the main point. Sharks need to play good.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Stop overanalyzing everything!
Man, some people…
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
WHATAREYOUTALKINGABOUTYOURCOMPLETELYWRONG
Sorry… that’s just my automatic reaction to anything anyone says right now…
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
ElvisVF101 is a good man.
He hates murder.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
I’m saddened you didn’t reply saying, “WHATAREYOUTALKINGABOUTYOURCOMPLETELYWRONG”
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
LISTENTOMEJERKFACEIKNOWMORETHANYOUANDIMBANGINURMOM!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Pleasure
Have you met my friend Mr. Imalwaysrite?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
:(
I’m literally crying right now.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
My work here is done
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
ARE YOU KIDDING?
Playing good would not fix things they need to TRADEEVERYONEONTHETEAMTHATHASNOHEARTANDGRITANDFIREDOUGWILSON!!!
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 15, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thus proving my point...
…we must fire Sharkie, the one constant through all our playoff disappointments.
NOOOO!!!
Sharkie is FOREVER!!! There is no getting rid of Sharkie! You are crushing my childhood!!! (runs into a corner)
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 15, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
I can’t say I disagree. The evidence is overwhelming. Number of Cups won with Sharkie as mascot? 0
FIRE SHARKIE NOW
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
I was about to make a joke
That Sharkie has no heart and it’s like he’s a giant stuffed costume or something.
Then I remembered he fought Theo Fleury.
Sharkie stays.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
He is the hardest working fish in the NHL for a reason!
Clearly, this series needs some JR Power!
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
pssst.
What has his hard worked paid off to?
Al the Octopus. Now that’s a good mascot who can actually contribute to success.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
number of teams with Teal as a primary color who have won a championship in any sport: 0.
Just saying.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not really one who believes post-game comments mean much, but it sure would be reassuring to see a little more urgency from the players or more of holding themselves accountable.
A red flag went up in my mind in that WTC interview with Thornton a short while ago when he talked about how well the team had played in the Anaheim series last year, but just couldn’t get the puck to go in the net. Interesting to see him believe that when the fan consensus seems to be that they didn’t bring it.
Similarly, I’m not liking this “well, we never said the series was going to be easy!” talk. It’s almost like a crutch they just built in that justifies them losing. like hey we were gonna lose anyway since we knew it wasn’t gonna be an easy series. I dunno, the culture and the attitude is just getting more and more on my nerves. But then again, you can’t put much stock in what they say in those interviews
maaan
It’s killin’ me to check in on FTF and still see that pic of the Lake Erie Monsters celebrating their win over the Sharks. Blech. : (
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
Jamie Baker will be on KNBR today (THURSDAY) at 6:30 PM
I’m really interested in what he has to say
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
I'll try to listen to that
But if I and others miss, anyone care to put up a recap?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Seconded
Don’t get KNBR out here, but I would love to hear what Bakes has to say. Sometimes I feel like he needs to be on the bench instead of in the booth.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 15, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You can listen live at KNBR.com but be careful. Ralph Barbieri & Tom Tolbert are annoying interviewers when talking about hockey.
I can’t stand listening to Ralph. I’m sorry. It’s like listening to the skeeee of the dentist’s drill and the wooossh of the spit hose at the same damn time.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
historical question
not to be doom and gloom, just curious. Has any team been upset in the first round as a #1 seed in consecutive years?
she’s a grand ole flag, she’s a high-flying flag
by a10dency2ask on Apr 15, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the Devils in 97-98 and 98-99. Then they won the cup the next two years. I’d be willing to put up with another year of choking in exchange for two cups, but it would be an insanely tough 11 months til next year’s playoffs.
Sarah Palin is on this goalie mask. Your argument is invalid.
by calixtus on Apr 15, 2010 9:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I tried to type out the interview. If I can unscramble by hurried typing, I’ll create a fanshot.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok... Since the Palin mask didn't work... How about some Angry Joe MOJO!!!!
"Be polite, be professional... But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." -- General James N. Mattis, Commander 1st Marine Divison, Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003
by SetoThorMarChooSki on Apr 15, 2010 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
This was in a fanpost the other day…. I have changed my avatar accordingly… LUCK LUCK LUCK!!!
"Be polite, be professional... But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." -- General James N. Mattis, Commander 1st Marine Divison, Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003
by SetoThorMarChooSki on Apr 15, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Puts things in perspective a little bit.
San Jose, Detroit, Washington, New Jersey, and Pittsburgh all lost Game 1. We are not alone.
This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
group hug
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Apr 15, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Better?
Should this make us feel better? These other teams have proven in the past that they can handle adversity unlike the Guppies, who fold up like a cheap card table.
That was wonderfully insightful.
This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck Mark Purdy.
Sorry. Haven’t taken time to read any of the comments on this thread, I just had to vent where people would be empathetic.
God that guys is a tool.
I shouldn't have said anything.
by perkins.kit on Apr 15, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's why I make it a point to not read anything he writes.
Better for one’s mental health that way. Same thing applies to Tim Kawakami.
It takes a big man to cry and it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jamie Baker
Proud member of the "Keep Marleau Forever" Club
by Lurker Shark on Apr 15, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
heres the rub
from a positive standpoint…the avs played great and the sharks played like shit. The sharks although they played horribly, still hung in the game and only lost because of a fluke. If the sharks can turn it on, the avs don’t stand a chance.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
Perhaps the reason the Sharks played like shit is because the Avs played great. And I wouldn’t count on the whole “not standing a chance” thing. After all, when the Sharks played great and had the Avs on their heels, the Avs still hung in the game too. I think underestimating the Avs is the worst thing you can do. The players feed off of it because they love proving people wrong. That’s what October was all about. Nothing to lose mentality. Just a thought…
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
Beachie, welcome to FTF, we’re glad you’re willing to share, &c &c but maybe arguing with Sharks fans on a Sharks message board about how your team is awesome isn’t the best way to endear yourself here. Just a thought.
Wow. I was just flipping the idea and it wasn’t arguing. Ask Plank about me. He can vouch that it wasn’t a trollish comment. Sorry it came across that way.
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
and fwiw, I took the wording for my comment directly from OnDubs’ comment and literally switched it around. maybe that’s where the argumentative tone may have seemed to come from. again, I’m sorry! i’m really not that kind of person at all. =)
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
lets not forget
it really doesn’t matter what I do.
I can underestimate the avs all I want and it has no bearing on anything.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
Of course you can. It was just dialogue. Sorry for popping by and offending everyone. Didn’t mean to. Tell Plank I said hi…and I’ll see him on MHH. Good luck tonight. Should be a fun series.
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
not offeded at all
I wasnt offended by your comments, and don’t let us discourage you from posting here, it’s always good to get the other side in the conversation. I was just making my point, based on what you said, that what I do, really has no effect on the game.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
Wallin injury?
I probably just wasn’t paying attention, but I didn’t notice until just now the little box on the left indicating that Wallin is probable, with the playoff-perennial “undisclosed” injury. Is this old news or did something happen to him in game 1?
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