Sharks Gameday: Anybody Have A Crystal Ball Handy?
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After the Sharks lifeless performance against Dallas on Wednesday, the unpleasant feelings from two weeks ago began to crop up-- will the Sharks be able to flip a switch come the postseason? Or is this current inconsistency highlighting underlying issues within this club, intangible levels of "insert your favorite malady here"?
"Heart" always seems to be a crowd pleaser. Same goes for "grit", and the timeless "will to win."
Those questions won't be answered until two weeks from now when San Jose embarks on what seems like the fifteenth opportunity to elbow the monkey off their back and pin it to the floor. What will occur in the postseason remains, and will forever remain, an unknown until the National Anthem echoes amongst the rafters of HP Pavilion on April 14th.
However, maybe past results can guide us in assessing what to look for now, as well as what to expect going forward when attempting to put a potential first round matchup into some historical context.
What follows is a breakdown of how often a team wins their first round matchup, divided into various categories. HOME indicates home ice advantage, PTS indicates superior points during the regular season (3v6 seeds sometimes run into a situation where the 3 seed will win their division but have less points than the 6 seed) H2H indicates who won the season series, 10GMS indicates the team with a better record during the final ten games of the regular season, and 20GMS indicates the team with a better record during the final twenty games of the regular season.
All statistics are post-lockout. As always, shootout results are tossed out of the sample. Furthermore, if both teams are tied in a category (95 points, 2-2 head to head record during the regular season) the results from that series are tossed out as well.
I'd like to caution against reading too much into the Eastern Conference totals-- it's a vastly different group of teams compared to the West, filled with a couple juggernauts who tend to beat up on the remaining minnows. The West is definitely the deeper of the two Conferences, and has been for years.
Looking at the Western Conference, the only category that really jumps out at me as being interesting is a team's record in the last twenty games of the season. It pays to get hot at the right time and sustain that performance, which makes sense intuitively. It also serves our purposes quite well right now considering the majority of NHL clubs will have played close to twenty games after the Olympic Break-- San Jose comes in at that exact number, coincidentally.
Of course there are the usual caveats. As I mentioned three weeks ago, nothing is set in stone, and this does not signify San Jose's 7-8 record post-Olympics is a roadblock they will be unable to overcome in the first round. We're looking at a mere sixteen playoff series here, and although the numbers are slightly strengthened due to the fact it's a best of seven vs. a single elimination game, there is a fair amount of noise occurring.
However, when looking at the numbers and bringing in some gut feelings, I am concerned. The team has not played well since the break, and although Vlasic's return tonight should help immensely, the blueline unit as a whole has been sorely lacking the entire year. It's the bread that will never be buttered. And that's unfortunate.
At any rate, here's how the current playoff race is shaping up in the bottom five of the Western Conference playoff race. These are the Sharks potential first round opponents:
If San Jose loses the division to Phoenix, they could definitely play Detroit. It doesn't take Walter Bishop to figure out the Pacific crown is a huge battle that must be won.
Right after tonight's game, I'm flipping straight to CGY-COL*. What an exciting game that is going to be. Huge playoff implications for both teams, and for San Jose as well provided they hold on to that one seed. The Avalanche have been in a tailspin since coming out of the Olympics, and with a real tough road ahead of them (5/6 of their remaining games come against the Western Conference top nine) there's a distinct possibility the bottom falls out. Calgary's road isn't much easier, especially with one less game remaining. Lose in regulation and you can probably put a fork in them. Win in regulation and it's all up in the air. Brent Sutter has guided a team through the stretch run before-- Joe Sacco not so much. Should be really interesting to see if Sacco can take advantage of the last change and essentially solidify a playoff spot.
*For those who also have Center Ice-- how pumped were you when they changed the standby song back to the pop-rock number they had during the last few seasons? What a track.
I'll have a closer look at all of these teams early next week.

As for the Sharks tonight, Joe Thornton skated yesterday but doesn't look like he will play. Vlasic and Clowe are in [WTC]. Minnesota is pretty whatever, but after the last eleven games of rollercoaster play from San Jose, I'm not really sure what to expect.
Prediction: Sharks win 3-2. Goals by Setoguchi (x2) and Mitchell. Vlasic proves once again why he might be as important to the blueline as Dan Boyle. Owen Nolan has his standard performance against San Jose, scoring a goal and tallying an assist.
Go Sharks.
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This probably wouldn't work because of sample size issues
but have you ever thought of running a regression analysis on those stats? I’m thinking a logistic regression model, dependent variable of winning the Cup or not, covariates as all of those you mentioned in that first table… Like I said, sample size is an issue, but that would be interesting.
In other news, GO Sharks!
huh?
You would confuse people like me
by SanJoseLandShark on Apr 2, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm a research analyst for the State of Illinois
Basically you put a bunch of things you think affect whether or not a team wins the Cup into a statistical model, the computer crunches the numbers and tells you what factors actually do affect winning a Cup.
For example, a logistic regression model will be able to tell you if home ice advantage, regular season points, head to head, etc. are statistically related to winning a Stanley Cup, when controlling for the influence of other factors (e.g. when you hear the phrases “all things being equal” and “all things considered”). With a big enough sample size (all playoff years under the current playoff format, for example) you could determine the impact of those variables on the likelihood of winning the Cup. So you could determine if the playoffs really are a craps shoot, or if there are consistent “predictors” of Stanley Cup success. If I had the time I’d pull together a data set and run it.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 2, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
We can’t afford minitab!
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
We can’t even afford our own bar tabs, let alone statistical software.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Bar tab? What is this “bar” you speak of?
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 2, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, minitab
I do have access to SPSS at work and at home. If someone threw together a dataset, I’d be glad to run some models.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 2, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Minitab is so easy to pirate
It is ridiculous. No excuse.
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
If you were good at your job
The Blackhawks wouldn’t have siffered under Bill sqWERTZ, right? Season tickets at 3,400? Nothin;? Nothin?
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 2, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That dude was seriously nuts
He listened to no one and couldn’t have cared less. He had it in his mind that blacking out home games would make people go to see them at the United Center. All that did was alienate a generation of fans. Even if I could have given him a golden formula for winning, I doubt he would have been sane enough to use it.
P.S. I grew up in the Bay Area and came out here for school. Wound up getting a job, which is nice, but I’m a Sharks fan first.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 2, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All it is doing is looking at first round, and comparing the two teams who played in that series.
Using the Western Conference as an example…
50% of teams with home ice advantage won their first round series.
43.75% of teams with more regular season points won their first round series.
50% of teams who won the head to head matchup during the regular season won their first round series.
56.25% of teams who had a better record in the last ten games of the regular season won their first round series.
68.75% of teams who had a better record in the last twenty games of the regular season won their first round series.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
And to put in another way:
Teams with home ice advantage won their first round series 50% of the time.
Teams with more regular season points won their first round series 43.75% of the time.
Teams who won the head to head matchup during the regular season won their first round series 50% of the time.
Teams who had a better record in the last ten games of the regular season won their first round series 56.25% of the time.
Teams who had a better record in the last twenty games of the regular season won their first round series 68.75% of the time.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Basically…
The regular season means almost nothing, we’ll see how it goes when we hit the playoffs…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
We can always hang another Western Conference Champions Banner….
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
You mean Western Conference REGULAR SEASON Champions!
We’re the best regular season team EVAR!!!!
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
the sharks biggest opponent
is themselves. they have shown they can beat the best and lose to the worst.
lets hope whatever scheme issues they are dealing with are resolved, and they enter the playoffs healthy.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 2, 2010 8:52 AM PDT reply actions
Speaking of Walter Bishop, I wouldn’t mind signing Peter Bishop for the Sharks next season. Something about that guy just makes me think he can get the job done on the ice.
The Sharks either start strong and fade or start slow and come on strong at the end, season-wise. And it definitely makes sense that their best playoff performances have come in years they have had to fight to get into the playoffs, rather than coasting like they’re doing now.
Everything sucks except for the Sharks.
His performance would make it seem like he was from a different universe or something.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
There has been an amazing amount of suck
In the western conference playoff teams post Olympics…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
It really has been bad.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Really
Aside from Detroit, it’s the only thing making me remain mostly calm about all of this failure we’ve been enduring.
Detroit still scares the bejeebus out of me, even more so now that they seem completely unbeatable.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Detroit is freaking unbelievable. However, this is how we all expected them to play all season…and now that they are healthy, they are. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them march right to the Cup again. Although, if it does end up being Detroit v. Phoenix in the first round, that should be a hell of a matchup.
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
We need to stay ahead of Phoenix more than we need to stay ahead of Chicago.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Agreed...
Actually might be beneficial to slip behind Chicago…that way when Detroit, Chicago, and Vancouver all win in the second round, chicago can play detroit and we can play Vancouver (still a tough team, but we seem to play them well).
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 2, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it really is pretty insane.
and people we’re thinking they might not make the playoffs. Now it looks like they could easily end up in the 3rd seed. Since they’re only 1 point behind Nashville and the Canucks (nashville also has 2 more games played than Detroit), and they’d hop over phoenix by default since they’re not leading the division. BAM, 3rd seed. Who saw that coming?
lol wait NEVERMIND. For some reason I was thinking they were in the division with Vancouver and Nashville for a second there. They’ll get the fifth seed though for sure.
I think I like Twitter now.
This is weird.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics
Nothing to do with today’s post, I just really wanted to say that.
Go Sharks!
resident cartoonist @CouchTarts Lightning is seven times as hot as the surface of the sun.
That’s still not as hot as Douglas Murray. -mymclife
It's true
You can make statistics “say” whatever you want. Most people can’t understand them anyway, so they’ll believe what you tell them.
Example: Ice cream sales are highly correlated with homicide rates, therefore ice cream makes people shoot people. That’s one of my favorites.
by Chicago Shark on Apr 2, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Same thing the game industry deals with
Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
GO SHARKS!!!
Even though we lost last game i’m still going to keep up the “eating the souls of your enemy” dish tonight. Hopefully we’ll see a better game now that we’ll have Clowe and Pickles back.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
3 Playoff Mathups I want To See
San Jose vs Colorado
Chicago vs Los Angeles
Vancouver vs Detroit
If these are the 1st round matchups, I’m gonna be watching much more playoff hockey than usual.
Detroit vs. Pheonix would be an epic series. And as far as storylines go, LA vs. SJ might actually get some attention for west coast hockey (even though I’d rather play Colorado…but not Calgary…screw them).
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 2, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Sharks
That is all.
Getting some meat from Freedom today, yum.
by ilooklikeafat16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Uggggggggh, this is the perfect game to play Greiss. Whyyyy is Nabby starting again??
Also what’s up with Torrey Mitchell? In the last WTC he said something about Thornton glaring at him, and in one of the Sharkbytes a bunch of players mentioned him when asked who they’d most like to punch. From the very little i’ve seen of him he seems like a nice dude.
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The best part of that Sharkbyte is when Scott Nichol answers a question about Todd McLellan, and McLellan walks off.
Here’s a screen grab:

Those socks are awesome!
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
That link doesn’t appear to go anywhere…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Does youtube.com/fearthefin return anything? I just created it ten minutes ago, so maybe only I can see it.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
It’s really the way he walks off, coupled with the socks.
I don’t know, maybe I was just drunk. I take joy in the little things.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
i'm always into those thigh-highs.
sexy schoolgirl outfits FTW
Wait, wtf am i looking at?
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 2, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
rofl
that is NOT a school girl.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 2, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Nabby probably WOULD
have had the day off today if not for the awful team performance last game. He only played 2 periods last game, so he’s not tired.
Don’t be surprised if Nabby plays out the rest of the season. After today, rest of the schedule are all potential playoff teams.
I’d dress three goalies if it meant Staubitz was off the ice.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
by Mr. Plank on Apr 2, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
He’d probably take a goaltender intereference penalty someway or another.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Rec’d for truth.
"I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." ~Michael Scott
by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 2, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Stalock like 80% God or something
which means he could easily play as well as Staubitz in full goalie gear.
I completely agree with Plank
I cannot stand to watch Staubitz…whenever he gets on, I’m just waiting for a dumb penalty…PLEASE DON’T PLAY HIM!
On a happier note, GO SHARKS!
Go Sharks!
Mandatory....
GO SHARKS!
"The coaches should tell the goalies to do the splits and then windshield wipers. That's how you'll block shots every time." - Peeny 3.13.10
"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous
Update on todays WTC...
Nolan, by the way, has made it clear he doesn’t see this as his final season. He’s a UFA on July 1 and looking to sign with a contending team for 2010-11, here or wherever. And he won’t be looking for a multi-year contract.
Just sayin’…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
So...
he’s coming home??? :I
"The coaches should tell the goalies to do the splits and then windshield wipers. That's how you'll block shots every time." - Peeny 3.13.10
"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
GOLG
Don’t forget the Palin Mask tonight…
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
yeah
you said you were going to bust it out tonight.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 2, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Woosta Sharks vs. Providence Bruins
Starts momentarily.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Hah
Sharks got in a fender bender on the way to the game. A car side swiped the bus, but it was barely noticeable for those inside the bus.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
haha
Cars should learn not to mess with buses.
"Sleep is for the off season."~ Randy Hahn. Never question why the man is up at midnight.
by ZombieSkittles on Apr 2, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Boo.. Bruins score on the power play... 0-1
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
it’s not streaming at ADTHE.net is it?
by SharksFanTillDeath on Apr 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven’t seen ATDHE carry any AHL streams for a while now.
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Watching the pre-game...
I feel like I know Bret Hedican now.
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
Ooh and just checked and he tweeted:
Back on Comcast tonight after my NON-Signing with the Shark Organization!
"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen
OMG
TCY is famous!! That April Fools joke will live on in Bret Hedican forever!
"The coaches should tell the goalies to do the splits and then windshield wipers. That's how you'll block shots every time." - Peeny 3.13.10
"Hockey players wear numbers because you can’t always identify the body with dental records."—Anonymous
by mssjsclowie29 on Apr 2, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
“If this game did not have a pace, it would not have any pace at all.” Haha, really?
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