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2010 Sharks Playoff Preview: Nabokov & Greiss

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The postseason is right upon us, so Plank and TCY thought it would be prudent to highlight each individual player on the Sharks roster heading into these glorious days. It gives us an opportunity to consolidate all the information we've obtained since the beginning of October, as well as examine the team at a micro-level. Every installment in this series can be found here.

There is literally nothing like the NHL playoffs in the entire world of sports-- the passion, the pain, the hope, the despair, the unrelenting feeling that this year could finally be the one. Each and every goal dictates whether or not you'll end up in some godforsaken alleyway in downtown San Jose singing songs to alley cats, or at home with loved ones singing songs of victory about the heroic undertakings of a team that has given meaning to the wild world in which we live in.

Fasten your seatbelts folks.

God save us all.


Evgeni Nabokov

#20 / Goalie / San Jose Sharks

Team MVP, franchise goalie, the glue that holds San Jose together. Evgeni Nabokov is all of these things, and without his steady presence in net throughout the 2009-2010 season, the Sharks could have very likely been looking at starting a first round series on the road.He's been that good. 
Hung out to dry by an inconsistent team defense for the majority of the year, Nabokov has been stellar in his seventy starts. He's put up career numbers in a contract year, and by most accounts, will be looked at intently by many organizations shopping for a goaltender during free agency. Whether that is San Jose or not lies exclusively on this year's playoff run. 
The book on Nabokov the last few seasons has been to go five-hole, but after being exposed in a playoff series against Anaheim, Evgeni did a very good job of working on that aspect of his game during the summer and improving those issues. He aggressively challenges shooters and loves to play the puck behind the net, waiting until the last minute to chip the puck over an incoming forechecker's stick-- and while both of these attributes are largely positive, they can get him into trouble sometimes. Acrobatic saves and a nasty glove hand are obviously his bread and butter. 
For a 34 year goaltender who has seen a lot of work post-lockout, there is always a discussion on whether he has seen too many starts along the way. We think he has, and coupled with his statistics following a disheartening Olympic performance, how he performs in game 83 on is far from certain. The stigma of not being a big game goalie will be put to the test this postseason, especially with a below average defensive cast around him.
The good news is that Nabokov seems to putting it back together in the last five games. He's been stealing wins for the majority of the year, and if San Jose plans on making any noise in The Months That Shall Not Be Named, Nabokov will have to shoulder a heavy load. 
If you're looking for who will decide the fate of your Stanly Cup dreams Sharks fans, look no further than here.


 


 

Thomas Greiss

#1 / Goalie / San Jose Sharks

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Previous FTF Coverage:  Evgeni Nabokov; Good goaltender, but is he a product of the system? (Plank) ... Five Sharks reasons to look forward to the Olympics (Ivano)... FTF Regular Season Cheat Sheet: Goalies 

 


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2009 - Thomas Greiss 16 782 7 4 35 2.69 399 364 .912 0

Evgeni Nabokov dictates his own starts. Like it or not, that's just the world we live in. However, when Nabokov did decide that he needed the night off, his relatively unknown backup Thomas Greiss stepped between the pipes and played much better than any could have expected of him.
Although Greiss has seen much weaker competition than Nabokov, he maintained a lower goals against average and a higher save percentage than San Jose's number one netminder for much of the year. Greiss has good quickness post to post (which has improved as the year has gone on), and is rarely caught out of position on the routine to mid difficulty saves.
However, Greiss does have the tendency to overcommit (especially in odd man rush situations), and the angles he takes to the shooter can at times seem curious, even dangerous, to the casual observer. He's capable of making the acrobatic saves, but does have trouble recovering from time to time. While scrambling back into position, he often has issues locating the puck, which can lead to second chances for the opposition.
That, coupled with his tendency to give up juicy rebounds, can lead to some pretty easy goals. However, Greiss always puts his team in a position to win. Although he may look like a chicken with its head cut off at times, he's very mature and has many of the qualities you'd expect from a veteran goalie.
Greiss won't get starts in the playoffs unless Nabokov is injured, simple as that. However, the progress that he has shown in 2009-2010 will make for an interesting offseason. In limited starts, he's shown that he's much more than a backup.


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Saying Greiss is good

Is like saying that Brian Boucher is capable of being an everyday starter based upon his stats with the Sharks.

by SanJoseLandShark on Apr 9, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two completely different situations, because Greiss is up and coming and Boucher was at the tail end of his career. Greiss has shown he can fill in admirably when Nabokov is out. Not saying I want him to get starts down the stretch, but writing him off at this point is silly.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

See I disagree

Greiss is a stop gap for us until our stable of goaltenders work their way up through the minors. If he ends up making it on another NHL squad and comes back to dominate us you are more than welcome to say “I told you so” but he’s not good.

Given the fact that i’ve never played a day of hockey in my life proabably makes my opinion useless. Regardless I feel strongly about this one.

by SanJoseLandShark on Apr 9, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's not good?

I wholeheartedly disagree here, I think he’s played quite well for the balance of the year. He also played pretty well for a very poor German Olympic team, and showed during his time in the AHL that he’s a solid player. Remember, Stalock just brok his wins record recently, so he had a good run in Worcester.

Greiss has been one of our best goaltending prospects for a while, and although I agree that there are some good netminders in the pipeline… you haven’t seen them play at all either (with the exception of a few spot starts by Stalock and Sexmith in the preseason). SO to say that Griess sucks, when he’s shown he can get an NHL team wins, and say that these unproven guys will supplant him is hypocritical.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll admit it...

I was a huge Greiss critic coming into this season. I had only seen him get something like 3 games back in the RW era and based on that I wasn’t too excited about him being the full-time backup this year. For the first few games of this season, if the puck was shot in Greiss’ direction I would tell my friend that one more shot would give me a Greiss-induced Heart Attack. As the season went on and I saw Greiss play a bit more, I saw that he really was pretty good. He played some great games and I started to see his true abilities and realizing that it was unfair to judge him based on all 3 games he played in RW’s time. He really has been a good backup and I’m excited to see his improvement continue into next year and see his skill and playing time increase. So there, a positive view of Greiss from a once overly critical fan. Also, he’s super awesome in person. My sister, my buddy, and I met him after one of the practices and he was very happy to give us some autographs and take some pictures and even commented on my friend’s phone after we apologized about it being slow to take a picture saying, “It’s ok. I have that same phone.” in an awesome German accent.

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by c.perez on Apr 9, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, MethSquirrel got sort of lit up during the Olympics. He looked terrible during the Belarus game, letting in easy goals after the Germans clawed their way back to tie it. With Doug Wilson watching, btw.

by ievans on Apr 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn’t look too hot against Canada either.

In fact, I blame him for the Russian collapse.

Had he played well and stopped Canada, the history of hockey would have taken a different course.

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by Ivano M on Apr 9, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel if Nabby had been started a little less and Greiss a little more before the Olympics, Russia and Germany would have done much better. Then again, its just one of my crazy fan conspiracy theories.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Apr 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering the team he played behind, and the opposition he faced, I thought he did alright. I didn’t say he played great.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess he didn’t play any worse than Nabokov in a knock out round.

Both failed, in my books.

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by Ivano M on Apr 9, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, he’s “not good” based on 10 starts in which he played really well? I see…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 9, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. And the others are good based on their 0 starts.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Booooo

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by Mr. Plank on Apr 9, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well played…

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 9, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very nice.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe that entire conversation started off from my casual comment on how Greiss made a nice save.

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by mymclife on Apr 9, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the fantasy league that awards points for drawing penalties… I need to draft Dustin Brown

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by Evilducks on Apr 9, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Not good" is a bit harsh.

What Greiss is is an unknown. He has all the tools to be a great goaltender, he has some habits he needs to break, but he’s had too few starts for us to know what he can CONSISTENTLY give us. He’s been very good at times, but he’s also been human at times. And in games where he has relieved Nabby, he has generally failed to shut the door (then again, when he’s had to relieve Nabby, I don’t think Hercules could have shut the door with the way the team played some of those nights).

Bottom line is, we needed to see about 20-30 starts out of Greiss to make any informed decision and we instead got about 10.

I’m not prepared to give him more than 45 starts next season, and unless Nabby goes down, I’m not prepared to start him this post season.

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by ElvisVF101 on Apr 9, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas Greiss is not a good goaltender because...

You still haven’t finished that sentence yet.

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by idunno723 on Apr 9, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Greiss sleep with your GF or something? where’s this hate coming from? He’s young, talented, and he’s played really well in the limited starts he’s been given. This is crazy.

by Khaaz on Apr 9, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that Boucher had a track record as both a starter and backup before he was a Shark. Boucher has some amazing stretches where he can stop anything, but doesn’t have the stamina or consistency to be an NHL starter, for whatever reason. He’s a pretty darn good backup goalie, though.

Greiss has no such track record as a starter, and has done pretty well in his limited starts.

by ievans on Apr 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boucher is the everyday starter— well, by default anyway. That’s what happens when your team’s #1 and #2 goaltenders go down with season-ending injuries.

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by Will Bulldozer on Apr 9, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greiss is no Patzold

What I like most about Greiss is his recovery skills on 2nd and 3rd shots. He’s pretty athletic and in some ways that reminds me of Marc-Andre Fleury who still has a tendency to over-play shots at times, but has mad recovery skills on rebound chances.

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by Will Bulldozer on Apr 9, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since i'm mad crushing on Fleury now, did anyone see his flurry of saves against the Isles?

i really hope someone gets that

save of the year IMO

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by Will Bulldozer on Apr 9, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still not as good as Kippers heel save on Nichol this year… Good save though

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by Evilducks on Apr 9, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nabber

Griess hasn’t had much of an opportunity to show what he’s got on a daily basis so I have no comment there. But Evgeni Nabokov was flat out amazing last night, he’s been playing well of late but last night he truly brought his A-game and made some spectacular stops. I think I asked him to be my Valentine at one point during that game.

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by theneverman on Apr 9, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I, for one

Am pretty confident in Greiss — as a backup. I wouldn’t consider him starter material I think, at least until he mellows out a bit on the leg-flailing kick-saves followed by mad scrambles back to the goal-line side of the crease. That said, he’s been solid at getting there even when he looks panicked.

I’ve also noticed that Nabby has taken to a LOT of behind-the-net play, and doing a ‘waiting game’ there. Most of the time, he gets a good chip over the stick (as mentioned) and gets the puck to the d-man in the corner, but sometimes he hesitates just a bit too much and ends up leaving that back door open (you know, the one that none of the Sharks ever watch when the puck is nearby?)

Running up to the playoffs, though, we’ve seen a lot more of “Vezina Nabby” and that, for a goaltender who tends towards play that gets him labeled ‘streaky’, is a good thing to go in with. I just hope he can hold it, and I hope that McClellan isn’t afraid to speak up if Greiss needs to fill some space for a bit if Nabby does start to waver.

… actually, that’s been one of my biggest gripes this season; not just that Nabby dictates his own schedule, but that the coaching staff seems genuinely afraid to challenge or question his decisions to that end. They don’t like to pull Evgeni out of his starts, and they don’t ever seem to say, “Are you really sure you’re good?” when his confidence is clearly shaken before the first puck even drops — and you can always see it when he’s off his game. That makes me nervous for important clutch games going the other way in the postseason party — if the opposition can see that doubt in our netminder, then they’re going to gain some swagger; at the same time, the Sharks defensive pairings seem to fall prey to the same thing that happens to our forwards during HTML-droughts — would-be superstar moves that leave us flat-footed in odd-man situations and dangerous threats to our goal as each player individually tries to be the hero instead of keeping the play simple and communicating with their partner.

That said, especially with his performances in the last few, I can’t think of many other goalies I’d like to be backing my team headed into Round 1. When Nabokov is “on”, he’s straight up one of the best in the business.

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by xarexerax on Apr 9, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t consider him starter material I think, at least until he mellows out a bit on the leg-flailing kick-saves followed by mad scrambles back to the goal-line side of the crease.

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by cosecant on Apr 9, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, goalies that flop around and flail to make saves are not starter material…

I mean, that Hasek guy was useless in front of the net…

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by Evilducks on Apr 9, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just said mellow out a bit. As in, not be flappin’ around in front of the crease when the puck is already back behind the neck. Recovery time, man … he takes a bit to get back into position.

Also, I’ve seen Hasek play … maybe once or twice? I’m new. Maybe it takes getting used to or something, maybe I’m just too used to more standard styles of play. Hell, maybe I’m just talkin’ out my ass. Probably that one.

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by xarexerax on Apr 9, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hasek flopped around until the day he retired. Thomas actually reminds me a little of him.

I’m not saying Greiss is anywhere near as good as Hasek, but not all goalies are created the same, and a lot of that high risk high reward style can pay off depending on the goalie.

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by Evilducks on Apr 9, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

I just did a little research on Hasek, and the style definitely can work — I guess I’m more of the mind that Greiss needs to work on the execution a bit. He seems to get caught a little off-guard sometimes from his own movement, and it can put him out of position.

The real problem is, until the d-men learn to be active watching the back door, both that weakness and Nabby’s occasional hesitation behind the net are going to lead to some ugly situations for the Sharks because of the opening the goalies leave in the hopes that the defense will shut that side down for them.

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by xarexerax on Apr 9, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Greiss isn’t a flopper, though. Hasek was a beast, and is the best at that style of goaltending the world has ever seen. He was just incredible. Greiss just has amazing reflexes that allows him to get to pucks many times when he overplays them.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 9, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

That assumes that Hasek has a “style.” I don’t think there is any school of goaltending that says, “the right play is to drop your paddle and lunge to make the save.”

Hasek was a freak, the exception that proves the rule. When he lost his game for a while toward the end of his career, there wasn’t a goalie coach in the world that could help him.

by ievans on Apr 9, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shields tried to be that kind of goaltender, and had stretches of being good…but couldn’t pull it off consistantly enough. Hasek was in a league of his own.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 9, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll mellow out when he gets more confidence, and he’ll get more confidence when he gets more experience and isn’t playing only once every 2 months.

by Khaaz on Apr 9, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

This team will go as far as Nabby takes them...

This has always been the case. He is our backstop…and is definately more than good enough to get us to the promised land. He just needs to man up and do it. His play as of late has been encouraging. And all season, really, except for when he swooned right after the Olympics (along with the rest of the team), he’s been an awesome goaltender who appears ready to take that next step in the playoffs. Or, at least, I hope he is. Because it’ll be another disappointing offseason if he is not.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 9, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

No Meth Squirrel reference in the article? I know at least one FTF member who’ll be upset.

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by Ivano M on Apr 9, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

These are a tad bit more serious, but I was tempted.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriousness within an FTF article? Say it ain’t so.

by ilooklikeafat16 on Apr 9, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Say it isn’t so painful
to tell me that you’re dissatisfied.
Last time I asked you
I really got a lame excuse.
I know that you lied.
Now wicked things can happen
you see ‘em goin’ down in war.
But when you play in a quiet way
that bites it even more.

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by Matthew_Taylor on Apr 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is my take on the goalie situation.

Have I seen Nabby win the post season? Yes, I have, and I wrote about it before. Do I still have faith in him? I’m not sure. Not after the Olympics.

But going into playoffs, I have more concerns about our special teams and our ability to consistently score goals. I personally think we’ll go as far as our scoring takes us.

If we have to rely on Nabby or Greiss to bail us out of games where we can only score one or two, we’re in deep trouble.

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by Ivano M on Apr 9, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Shelley scores

Totally OT, but Shelley seems to be clicking with the Rangers. Still clinging to playoff hopes. I’d be happy if the Sharks went up against the Blueshirts…

by calixtus on Apr 9, 2010 9:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Fun fact

Jody Shelley was rated the third toughest fighter by NHL players in Sports Illustrated. He had 5% of the vote.

"I think people were ready to watch some hockey. We took up enough of everyone’s time."
-Jody Shelley after 87 seconds of hockey fighting against Cam Janssen

by idunno723 on Apr 9, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, that was pretty great. I was watching, and when he scored, I cheered out loud…even though I actually am not a fan of the Rangers (I was cheering for Philly to win the game). I just like Jody too much to cheer against him. Dude is a class act.

Sigh, I miss Shelley.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Apr 10, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boosh almost handed him another goal later and then made an amazing save on it… it was like he was just fucking with the dude.

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by Evilducks on Apr 10, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, did the Rangers’ broadcasters ever use the phrase “off the schneid”?

by calixtus on Apr 10, 2010 7:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I had the Philly feed on VS.

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