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Anton Volchenkov vs His UFA Peers

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Less then 24 hours separate us from the craziest hockey day of the off-season. Those of us who still care about hockey this time of the year all have lists of free agents we hope our general managers will sign on July 1st. I have that list too, and at the top of this list is a fellow Russian and a former Ottawa Senator Anton Volchenkov. 

First, he's a Russian. 

Second, he is the kind of a player that can solve many defensive problems for the Sharks and add more playoffs experience. 

When July 1st is finally here, no doubt Anton and his agent Jay Grossman will get more than one phone call from around the league with a contract offer. Doug Wilson could be one of those calling. While we have our fears that Wilson's attempt to strengthen Sharks' defense will be limited to re-signing Niclas Wallin, he may not be done just yet. It's especially true seeing how the Sharks are fine with going with a cheaper and less experienced goalie than Evgeni Nabokov. Something has to compensate for that, and one way to do this would be to add more experience and skill to the Sharks' defense. 

But back to Volchenkov. Since he's played his whole career with the Ottawa Senators, we have not see him as much as we have seen Dan Hamhuis, who's often mentioned here at Fear the Fin as a high priority signing for the Sharks and who played in Nashville. They are similar type of players, who are known firstly for their defensive skills. Volchenkov tends to be viewed as purely defense-only type of a guy, while Hamhuis can also play offense, however, this may be due to what kind of role he was asked to play in Ottawa, rather than who he is.  

Let's not forget that Anton learned to play hockey in the famous CSKA hockey system that over the decades produced such stars as Slava Fetisov and Pavel Bure. That system does not teach defense-only type of hockey. Defenders that succeed in that system tend to play well on both sides of the puck. Growing up in Russia, Volchenkov did not show up out of nowhere quite the way such players as Datsyuk or Nabokov did, but was coached by some of the best minds in the Russian hockey program. On top of that, Anton's father Alexei was also a hockey player who played on USSR team in the 70s. As such, Anton is a fine product of the Soviet system of hockey and not surprisingly,  played for Team Russia since he was 17 years old. Again, Russian teams never encouraged defense-only play from any of their d-men at any levels. Russian players grow up learning how to play puck possession system. As a proof of that, here is Volchenkov's first scouting report published in Sport Express in 2000, under a title "15 Hottest Prospects":

One of the highest rated European prospects in the most recent NHL draft, which was evidenced by him being selected by Ottawa Senators in the 1st round, 21st overall. Great skater and a smart passer, can also direct the power play. He has a good shot from the mid and long distance, but has to work on that. He's quite mobile, but not quick enough just yet. Despite his physical strength, he doesn't play physical all that often. 

It's funny how things change over time. We certainly don't think of Volchenkov as a puck moving defenseman who can quarterback a power play - and he's no softie either, as many YouTube highlights can prove. Nicknamed Russian Bear, he's actually considered one of the more physical players in the NHL and a very atypical defenseman for less physical Eastern Conference. He loves throwing big hits, as people in the East know very well, and led all Senators players in that category during the last season, despite missing 18 games. Back in Russia he's the only Russian player who's is frequently compared to Vladimir Konstantinov (aka Vladinator), who you may remember as one of the hardest hitters in the league in the 90s for Detroit Red Wings and whose hockey career ended in a tragic car accident. When Volchenkov was just starting his career, they even called him Vladinator II. Just like Vlad, being a good skater, Anton doesn't get lost out of position as easily as Douglas Murray while attempting a big open ice hit or overcommitting on the offense.  Also nicknamed the Iron Man, Volchenkov loves to block shots, and consistently has been one of the leaders in that category league-wide since NHL introduced blocked shots as a metric. 

All these qualities would make Volchenkov no. 1 defensive defenseman in San Jose.

So why is it that we here at Fear the Fin don't talk more about Volchenkov?

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For one, we may not all be Russian. 

But it may also be because of the notion that Volchenkov can be too expensive for San Jose Sharks, as Plank mentioned in an earlier post. The reports out of Ottawa earlier this month indicated that Volchenkov rejected a 5-year offer of $20M from the Senators. But if 35 years old Wallin can earn $2.5M in San Jose, why can't Volchenkov, who is entering his prime, earn $5M? 

Other similar UFA players that we usually mention include Dan Hamhuis of Nashville Predators (or actually, Pittsburgh Penguins who own his rights as of the time of writing this article), Paul Martin of New Jersey Devils and less mentioned older brother of Milan Michalek, Zbynek Michalek, who we know rather well from his days with Phoenix Coyotes. 

In fact, all four joined NHL around the same time, and have similar regular season stats. The table below was compiled using stats found on Hockey Reference

PLAYER
GP
GAP+/-
ATOI
Anton Volchenkov
428
16
78 94
61 19:11
Dan Hamhuis
483
32
129 161
4 22:09
Paul Martin
400 26
137 163
55 23:28
Zbynek Michalek
415
27
88 115
-22 22:16

Notice two things here. First, Volchenkov's offensive numbers are almost twice lower than Martin's and Hamhuis'. The difference is explained by Martin and Hamhuis seeing power play time in their clubs, while Volchenkov tended to play mostly in even strength and penalty kill situations in Ottawa. In fact, none of his 16 career goals are power play goals. Second, notice +61 rating for Volchenkov  and +55 for Martin vs +4 for Hamhuis or -22 for Michalek. Of course, some of it has to do with the fact that Volchenkov and Martin have played on much better teams during their career than Martin and Michalek. But still, +55 in his career is rather an impressive number, and that includes a stellar +37 in a single season in 2006/7. 

It's also important to note here that while Volchenkov's offensive role was limited in Ottawa, some of it has to do with the coaches and the systems he was asked to play in. As I alluded to it earlier, when playing in Russia and for Russia, Volchenkov did see plenty of power play time and he did not look lost running the Russian power play at the most recent Olympics. Due to lack of resources, we saw Douglas Murray get a share of power play time for the Sharks last season. With a better shot and a skating ability, Volchenkov would be an improvement in that area, should he join the Sharks. He may never see as much power play time as would Martin or Hamhuis, but with Boyle, Demers, Vlasic and Pavelksi all loving to play the point, we don't lack power play specialists in San Jose. 

What separates Volchenkov from the rest of his UFA peer group is his playoff experience. Take a look at playoffs stats for the same group. 

PLAYER
GP
GAP+/-
ATOI
Anton Volchenkov
61
3 12 15 0 17:47
Dan Hamhuis
28
1 8 9
-12 21:27
Paul Martin
42 2 14 16 -12 24:43
Zbynek Michalek
7
0 2 2 -4 20:28

Volchenkov never won the Cup, but he was one of the key players in Ottawa Senators run to the Stanley Cup final in 2007, often playing with an assignment to shut down the opposition's key players and doing it well, as Crosby in 2007 may testify. He was also one of the more visible players for the Senators in the most recent playoffs that included a performance of 11 blocked shots in Game 5 of that series. My body hurts just thinking about how 11 blocked shots in one night feel. 

If the Sharks are thinking of adding playoffs experience to their squad, as Wilson likes to do with all his additions to the roster, then Volchenkov may get an edge here based on the numbers above. With the departure of Rob Blake, playoff experience is still relevant in San Jose. Volchenkov's playoffs history puts him above Hamhuis, who's never won a round of NHL playoffs, Martin, who only advanced past the first round twice in his career and never past the second round, and, of course, Michalek who only played in one round of playoffs total, and unsuccessfully so.  

For all these reasons, I am hoping that when it's time to get on the phone tomorrow, Doug Wilson will make a call to Anton Volchenkov a first priority.

Besides, if he doesn't, this may turn out to be the first time in the San Jose Sharks history that no players out of the former USSR appear on its roster when the season starts. I'd rather not see that dark day happening.  

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not to mention he just kinda looks like he belongs in a Sharks sweater based on that pic above…just me?

side note: paul martin would be killer as well just like you said.

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by OnDubs on Jun 30, 2010 3:26 AM PDT reply actions  

was very tempted to photoshop the Sharks logos on that photo last night..

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I think nearly everyone on FTF likes Volchenkov. I don’t hear many (if any) people talking about Hamhuis. It’s just that Volchenkov is going to be the big FA defenseman that every team is going to try and get their hands on this offseason, and with the limited cap space we have (THANKS WALLIN) we’re probably not gonna win any bidding wars. It seems like the dream scenario for most of us on FTF is to sign either Volchenkov or Martin, but I dunno how likely that is to happen now..

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 4:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Although really, i think i might be more concerned about goaltending now than our defense pairings. I personally hope DW’s first phone call is to Dan Ellis (just to express interest at the very least so he doesn’t make any hasty decisions with Montreal), and his second and third calls are to Paul Martin and Anton Volchenkov.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ve always been a fan of Russian players because they play well not only in their assigned position, but outside of it as well. I truly believe that is why they dominated Olympic Hockey for so long.

Like Khaas, I’m still a bit nervous about our netminding picture, unless DW is content with writing this off as “an educational season,” where the new team gels for another run the following year.

Not as nervous about Wallin as I was over the weekend. As I dug more into his profile and history, I think I see what DW is seeing in him: a from behind, pressure impervious player that should score well in the playoffs. We just didn’t get to see that this year.

That said, I’m still not sure we should have pegged an RFA’s compensation up by 45%, given the ice time. Hopefully, I’ll be proven wrong.

For a good read on Wilson’s system, check out this Wall Street Journal article from last November. Well worth the time for the read.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good read Ivan

I would love Volchenkov it just never seems like the Sharks are the team that pulls in that big free agent and now with our cap space getting smaller with pieces to sign I just don’t know how it would work. However here is hoping for a July 1st Miracle.

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 6:30 AM PDT reply actions  

he may not have technically been a FA

but we did get Heater last season and he was as good as a free agent and arguably the biggest off season piece we’ve ever gotten.

by animadiversion on Jun 30, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

You could make the same argument along those lines for Boyle as well but at the end of the day its just not the same. In Tampa Boyle basically had to come here or get waived to Atlanta.

There is no telling that if these guys are on the open market and not limited to who is going to give your former team in a trade and that team being on a list of those you would go to that he ends up in San Jose as a UFA. With Heater the Sharks were on a list a teams and if Heaters has a choice like a UFA does I don’t know if he picks San Jose.

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

"First, he's a Russian. "

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 30, 2010 6:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Volchenkov has been my #1 choice for a UFA d-man from day one. I love his skill set, and offensively, our blueline is pretty set as it stands, particularly if Demers plays full time in San Jose next season. And hey, the fact that Volchenkov is offensively competent just provides more options for T-Mac, who we all know loves to shuffle lines.

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by OtherKid on Jun 30, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

besides his propensity for blocking shots in abundance, “Volchenkov” is phonetically one of the best sounding Russian names of all time.

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by theneverman on Jun 30, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

It is.

Also means “little wolf” in Russian, which fits his style of play rather well.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

See people, yet another reason to have a stock of good Russian players on the Sharks, we get to learn cool stuff from Ivano.

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by theneverman on Jun 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we signed Volchenkov, I would buy his jersey in a heart beat. It would look so good in teal and it even has a sick translation. I’m sold.

And forget even playing a goalie. Just play 5 on with Volchenkov in goal. With all those blocked shots, he probably wouldn’t do too bad. lol

by coleman89 on Jun 30, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think theres anyway we get Volchenkov. WIth 8 million in cap space left assuming DW re signs seto and Malhotra that should leave us around 4 million for a goalie and a Defensemen. Unless Clowe is traded away for a salary dump, the Sharks wont be able to get any of the big name Defensemen,

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by Krishna on Jun 30, 2010 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I think we all need to realize...

that Doug Wilson is not going to make any sort of splash in Free Agency. He might pick up a complementary player like Malhotra, Nichol, or even Dan Ellis, but he will not sign a superstar in Free Agency. I think he worries about overpaying said superstar, or typically just doesn’t bid as high as other teams in FA. Doug Wilson has never picked up a superstar via Free Agency. His biggest FA acquisition was Rob Blake 2 years ago.

Expect more of the same, no FA acquisition, but perhaps a trade of Clowe (or Seto), for a defenseman who is slightly unhappy in his current situation.

by jhu12 on Jun 30, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Yet do you remember how much Blake was getting paid two years ago? $5M. That’s what Volchenkov is likely sign for.

Of course, none of d-men signings above $2M will happen without a trade. DW may find a way to unload Huskins, or as we all hope, trade Clowe to free up that space. But I think he can do it. Send Clowe to Toronto, Huskins to Washington or another place desperate for defense and playoffs experience, and then send an offer to Volk.

My biggest fear is for Anton to land in Anaheim – I think there is a very good chance of this happening.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don’t have to be cap compliant until September? so I think if DW wants this guy we need to sign him and then worry about shedding the extra cap space.

The idea of Volchenkov with the Ducks and Kovalchuk with the Kings is troublesome.

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’ll get the most return in the next few days. When others know he’s just dumping salary, we’ll get as much return as we got for Error or Rivet – virtually nothing.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rivet was 2 2nd’s… that wasn’t horrible. Error was practically nothing.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No argument, Ideally we would be cap compliant before we made a move like that. But if push came to shove and a deal has to be made its now outside the realm of possibility.

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

err that should be “not outside the realm of possibility”

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly i’m really starting to miss Ehrhoff lol. He plays really well for the Canucks offensively and defensively, and at a low cap hit of 3.1 million. It sucks we gave him up for pretty much nothing.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

defensively?

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

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by idunno723 on Jun 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not for us, but he looked good playing for the Canucks in the playoffs though.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

We must have watched different games.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well none of the Canucks defensemen looked very good i guess, but he was definitely of their best defenseman, and he had 3 G 4 A and 7 points in 12 playoff games which is pretty good for a defensemen. He also had a +35 plus/minus in the regular season.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’d be +35 too if you’re playing on the ice at the same time as the Art Ross Trophy winner.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, too, miss his hands and his swift skating, but he wasn’t a shutdown defenseman, and his offense was inconsistent. Whether you like the move or not, you shouldn’t look at it like we gave up Ehrhoff for nothing, when we essentially gave him up for Heatley.

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No we didn’t. Heatley’s cap hit is only 200k more than Michalek+Cheechoo’s cap hit. Ehrhoff was traded to keep Blake, who’s gone now.

by tarlinian on Jun 30, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We were over the cap anyway at the start of that season

The trade made us cap compliant period. Whether that’s directly because of Blake’s signing, my memory is a bit fuzzier on that point.

The trade also facilitated the acquisition of Heatley.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know much about the Kings’ cap situation, but considering the young talent that they’re going to want to keep around for awhile — Doughty, Johnson, Quick, Simmonds, Kopitar, Brown — do they really want to strap themselves with what will likely be an extremely lucrative contract for Kovalchuk? They also have Scuderi, Frolov, Handzus and Smyth already hitting their books pretty hard. The Ducks, on the other hand, won a cup because of, let’s go ahead and say it, Niedermayer and Pronger, arguably two of the best defensemen all time, and an unpredictable resurrection from Selanne. Volchenkov isn’t going to replace all of that. He’s not a bad place to start though…

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frolov is gone – they’re not going to resign him. But they do have a huge cap hit for Kopitar as well.

I think Kings may be looking for a face of franchise type of a player. Kopitar is not it, Smyth is not it – Doughty may be the one – but not yet.

If they think they time to win has come, they may make a splash.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t realize that Frolov was leaving. I already admitted I’m not the expert on the Kings’ cap situation. However, if they want to hold on to lock up all their young guys AND bring in pinnacle free agents, they could run into a Chicago-esque cap problem. Then again, Chicago bought themselves a cup with that philosophy, so…

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frolov wants 5M per year

He’ll never get it in the NHL

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

If memory serves

The Kings have virtually half of their cap coming off the books this season. Granted, a lot of that is in the form of RFAs that are due raises, but they still have a chance to drastically reshape themselves. They may well decide to be a three line team and have Kopitar, Kovalchuk and Smyth be their top line.

As long as the Ducks have Getzlaf and Perry, they can turn around and be the best team in the league at any time. Oh, and they have that Hiller kid too…

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have a really good top line, there’s no questioning that. I’m not sold on Hiller. He could be a one-hit wonder. Though he did have a decent season last year statistically, I don’t think we’ll ever again see him dominate the way he did against us in the playoffs last year.

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll never see Niemi dominate that way either

Even though he’s playing in front of, arguably the best defensive PAIRING in the league right now.

You put a guy like Volchenkov in front of Hiller, then I think there’s some cause for concern. Pronger and Carle made Leighton look good. Keith and Seabrook made Niemi look good. We’ll find out this coming season if Hall Gill made Halak look good.

I’m with Ivano in that I want no part of Volchenkov making Hiller look good, or at least better than he is, and Hiller is a much better goaltender than Niemi or Leighton.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've been reading threads lately

It’s impossible that Pronger or Gill made their goalies look good. They’re too slow (Pronger actually isn’t very fast) to keep up with the young speedy kids in this league.

The experts on this forum have spoken.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Ovechkin had no shots in game one of the Caps/Habs series

I’m just sayin’

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Ovie clearly has no heart or grit and can’t get it done in the playoffs. That is the only reason a top offensive player in the regular season would fail to produce every single game in the playoffs.

I really need to stop reading WTC. Also it’s been bad around here lately as well.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a petition to fire Doug Wilson

Would you like to sign it? I have a newsletter you can sign up for as well. It comes with a free shiny hat!

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will this hat turn the wearer into a Red Wings fan?

by Auth0r on Jun 30, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worst GM in the league!

Where do I sign.

Also, trade Thornton, Vlassic, Murray, Huskins in Clowe for spare parts. They’re apparently horrible players.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Better throw Pavs in there too!

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by Sharkzilla on Jun 30, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Gorges and Gill shut him down. They also blocked like 100 shots in that series it seemed like.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude…Hiller is really good. Hiller’s one of the many Duck players i really wished was on our side along with Getzlaf, Niedermeyer, Pronger, and Bobby Ryan

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hiller is a phenomenal goaltender, and will be very good for a long time.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know much about the Kings’ cap situation, but considering the young talent that they’re going to want to keep around for awhile — Doughty, Johnson, Quick, Simmonds, Kopitar, Brown — do they really want to strap themselves with what will likely be an extremely lucrative contract for Kovalchuk?

This is exactly how I feel. Lombardi knows if he plays it cool he will have a team that can legitimately compete for a Cup in two years, and do so for a good long time. I’d be stunned if he makes a move for Kovalchuk.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 30, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The general feeling is their owner might push to sign Kovalchuk, it wouldn’t be a Lombardi type move.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Clowe?

I don’t really understand the enthusiasm with getting rid of Clowe. One of the biggest weaknesses I’ve seen in our offensive game the last couple years is that almost no one will park their butt in front of the net to obstruct goalie’s view. Clowe was the only guy besides Heater in the playoffs that did and then when Dany got hurt it was just Clowe. I think that’s become a key offensive trend a la Chicago (Byfuglien) and Detroit (Holmstrom & Franzen).

My two cents.

by McFerg on Jun 30, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

No one's all that enthusiastic about trading him

It’s just that, in terms of the Cap, he’s the most expendable. He’s the piece you HAVE to move to make a splash.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seto

If anything I think Seto’s the most expendable piece. We’ve got quite a few players like him for not that much (McGinn, Couture, Heatley), but no one like Clowe.

We need that person to grind out long shifts along the boards to tire opposing D’s and head to the net after the work. If we still had Bernier, Clowe’d be expendable. But unless Dougie can find someone in a trade similar to him, its Seto thats the most expendable.

by CheechYou on Jun 30, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

for not that much i meant mcginn and couture, not heatley, just heater and seto are similar in a lot of ways

by CheechYou on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used to be of the same opinion

Here’s the thing though. Seto is 23. Clowe is 27.

Clowe can play physical, this is true. So can Seto. Obviously not as well, but certainly well enough to be an elite forward. Clowe can not play all that fast. Seto can.

Age-wise, skillset wise, you have to keep a Setogutchi over a Clowe. A speedster with size will always be more valuable than a slow big man. Just because we have other potential Setoguchi like players doesn’t mean we part with him. The kid’s proven he’s a player, and he’s just entering his prime.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

+3,200,000

Well said.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that going to be Seto's cap hit?

Sweet!

Really, I can’t take credit. It’s all TCY’s arguments there. Otherwise I’d be in the trade Seto boat too, and was for most of the regular season.

And after the playoffs, I still think I’d like to keep both he and Clowe. Their contracts might be tradeable, but the chemistry those two have with Pavs is lightning in a bottle, and I want that in teal for the next forever years.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still think I’d like to keep both he and Clowe. Their contracts might be tradeable, but the chemistry those two have with Pavs is lightning in a bottle, and I want that in teal for the next forever years.

This is why i was willing to let Marleau walk in the offseason. His caphit off the books, and Wallin’s contract isn’t an issue at all. And the Pavs line stays together. And Couture could move up with Heatley (who he played very well with at times), and Thornton.

I’m going to get lynched by the FTF mob, lol.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

They'll need two ropes

Because I’m right there with you.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have 3 ropes

So you guys can bring one more person with you! :)

by FinAdic on Jun 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be redundant

But you can get 4 ropes, because I’m with ya too

by kiwi93 on Jun 30, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Four ropes it is!

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

shit…

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you need help rounding them up, I’m there for you.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck! I may be big, but I’m shifty!

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

but there are so many more of us than you

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by Angy on Jun 30, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which makes my shiftiness important!

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Old African Proverb

If a lion is chasing you and your friend, you have but one choice.

Trip your friend.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plank, why exactly do you have so many ropes?

And what’s with all the leather?

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inconsistency is his biggest problem.

Plus, I’m more concerned about our defense, especially with huge questions in goal for next season than I am about anything else.

By the way, Couture does a great job playing in the crease – most of his goals are ugly goals.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

With a roster loaded with big strong talented guys like Marleau, Thornton, Heatley, Clowe, etc., it’s a shame the Sharks’ whole offensive game plan is not simply to drive the net hard both on and off the puck. How often do we see Marleau and Thornton skate into the zone and then pull up at the top of the circle and look to pass? And Clowe is not as hell bent on being in the crease as Holmstrom or Ryan Smyth. Sadly, I think the guy in the playoffs most willing to fight for net-front property was Rob Blake… If we could get the huge beasts of men on our roster dedicated to driving the net, we could be a physical force to be reckoned with.

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate the heart/grit argument

But it remains relevant in my mind, even after this season where the team showed a lot of it. Chicago wanted the front of their net more than we did. 4 red sweaters in front of Niemi at all times. It’s a real pity Heatley was injured. He seemed to thrive in those situations in the regular season.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

My argument is less about heart/grit, and more about game plan. On that note, I agree with you in that heart and grit are intangibles. However, there is no mistaking it when you see a team or a player that really “wants it.” Momentum, too, is an intangible, but you can feel it every time there is a momentum swing during the course of a game. And when the momentum starts swinging against your team, that’s when you start getting that feeling in your stomach. We all know the one.

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My argument is less about heart/grit, and more about game plan.

I understand the distinction, but I still see the two as related. The talk from the team all season long was about getting pucks and bodies to the net. That’s a point of strategy for sure. But in just 4 games against Chicago, we saw that strategy fall apart. To me, that is an “intangible” issue as Chicago “wanted” the front of their net more. Strategically, they placed 4 guys there. Strategically, we needed to crash that area to induce some chaos and pick up ugly goals. Not following that strategy becomes an intangible for me because it’s unpleasant to voluntarily throw yourself into a pile of four guys who are all going to wail on you.

This is probably a semantics issue too. I think we basically agree on the point.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you here.

If you can’t shrink the ice, make sure their goalie is blind to the shots.

That was our fatal shortcoming this year.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy NHL and NBA day tomorrow

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by thecity23 on Jun 30, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

The LeBron-D Wade-Bosh Miami Heat are going to be a force…

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt they'll be good.

But the main concern for the team with those three is how the hell are they going to have a decent bench with all that $$$$ committed to those three.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true...

They’d have to hope some of their second round rookies pan out, and get lucky with some cheaper options. I still think they’d be a force, even without a bench.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt they will be a force.

I am probably just holding out hope as a Lakers fan, but I think that team would lose to whoever came out of the wast because they wouldn’t have the depth. That being said, there is no doubt in my mind they could win the title riding the backs of that potential big three.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 30, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a Lakers fan too...

And the Lakers would still beat them, because Kobe is god. But that Heat team would dominate the East.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate how NBA Draft & FA overlaps the NHL.

We always get less coverage.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it also means fewer ESPN blowhards pretending they know anything about it

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahah!

True.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've lost almost all interest in basketball over the years

but tomorrow is a day i’m looking forward too. (NHL too of course)

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Volchenkov might just be exactly what this team needs — a shot-blocking, gritty defenseman that isn’t going to get outskated like Wallin and Murray. But the price could be 5M+, meaning we’d almost surely have to give up on either Seto or Malhotra or trade away an established contributor (i.e. Clowe) for picks/prospects. And we’d still be putting the goaltending on the shoulders of Greiss who played all of, what, ten games last season? Rest wasn’t the only reason Nabby probably should have played less games last year…

by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jun 30, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Volchenkov and Z. Michalek

would love to see a trade with Wallin for Michalek and the signing of Volchenkov…

by CheechYou on Jun 30, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Can't trade a guy you just signed

It’s against the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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by Morti on Jun 30, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

you’re kidding? why doesnt DW just throw in a no-trade-clause in there as well to really rub it in our faces

by CheechYou on Jun 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He already did

unless I’m reading this wrong…

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

wtf happened to the link??

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck it

according to capgeek, he has one…

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

CBA

More information than you can shake a stick at:

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

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by Morti on Jun 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you denigrating my stick shaking abilities?

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

How you handle your stick

is of little concern to me, however Ang may be curious.

Just Sayin’

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by Morti on Jun 30, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha!

but yes, I do like details .. :)

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by Angy on Jun 30, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want him

I believe I’ve already made that clear elsewhere lol.

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d prefer Martin, because he’s both awesome defensively and awesome offensively. But I wouldn’t mind a Volchenkov signing either. Dude would instantly solidify the blueline. I still think we need a puck mover on the blueline, though.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

But Martin is not Russian.

Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.

by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, that is probably reason #1 why he won’t become a Shark :-/

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

And by he, I mean Volchenkov. Martin won’t become a Shark because DW doesn’t sign big name free agents. I still see a Clowe-Kaberle centered swap in the future. DW sure does love his trades.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we signed Volchenkov and traded Clowe for Kaberle… we wouldn’t need a goalie. >_>

by coleman89 on Jun 30, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

and there you have it ;o)

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

We still have Vlasic you know

He’s capable of carrying the puck if he gets more mature and makes the smart passes. And Demers was a beast on the PP.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wuoldn’t call Vlasic a D man who can make offense happen, though. He can carry the puck, and make a good first pass…but I wouldn’t want him quarterbacking the pp, or even setting up the offense 5 on 5. Demers probably won’t get enough 5 on 5 time to be effective as a 3rd pairing D man and pp specialist. I’d just like to see a Boyle compliment for the 2nd D pairing. Someone who isn’t abysmal in the D end, but can create offense and helps the forwards he’s skating with that much better.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

By no means is Demers “there” yet, but I was really impressed with his defense as we went deeper into the playoffs. We can only hope he builds off of that and continues to improve, rather than regressing to the defenseman we saw most of the regular season.

Should he become a poor-man’s Boyle we will be getting serious value for the next few years.

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Jun 30, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, going into his second full season, I’d hope he keeps improving. Don’t want to have to rely on him yet, though. Not until he forces us to rely on him by how he plays.

Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ivano...

As always, great article. I always feel like I know more after your columns than before. Definitely get a fresh take.

Also, I want to be sure you get to sign the Netminder Stick for Nabby. Let me know in the thread when you’re available, and I’ll make the time. Should be ready by Next Monday, so any time after that would work.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks!

Will go and reply in the thread now.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great write-up and I'd love to have Volchenkov.

However, I can’t see us getting him unless DW dumps salary (Probably Clowe and Huskins, possibly Mitchell) on a team, but that dump doesn’t have to be immediate IIRC.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 30, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

TSN: Nabokov, Volchenkov lead FA in goal, blueline

story link

& nice write-up Ivano.

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by SwisherThresher on Jun 30, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm....

I like the idea of Volchenkov and Murray DESTROYING people.

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by idunno723 on Jun 30, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Booyah!

eating and crushing everything in their path….

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like Willie Mitchell should be in the conversation too. He’s a damn good shutdown defenseman, and he says hes totally healthy now after recovering from a bad concussion. There’s a good chance that the Canucks will not resign him since they just got Keith Ballard.

I really think Willie Mitchell would be absolutely perfect for us, and he’ll come cheaper than Volchenkov or Martin.

If you’re unsure, watch this video.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m just going to assume that’s the Toews hit.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any ideas on how this will work with Anton?

With goalie a priority and cap space small, how are we gonna fit him in?

FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / * Manny Malhotra ($1.700m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Anton Volchenkov ($5.300m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Kent Huskins ($1.700m)
GOALTENDERS

  • Cheap Goalie ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
    (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
    ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $64.743m; CAP ROOM: $-4.413m BONUSES: $0.930m

If we move Clowe and Huskins we have:
 ROSTER: 20; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.418m; CAP ROOM: $0.912m

Even then we would have to accept only draft picks for the 2. With Mclaren playing everyday, Cooch getting second line time and having enough space for one scratch (Leach or Vesce?) DW will have to move a lot of players to get under the cap.

It’s unlikely this will be the outcome but this is my idea.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Well yeah, any real upgrades on defense are going to require us to trade Clowe and Huskins. The question is whether DW will do that, and whether he can sign a big FA defenseman like Volchenkov or Martin. (or Willie Mitchell!)

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

To get a high end D option, the Sharks will have to trade someone (either Clowe or Seto’s rights…as well as Huskins, most likely). Thus, it seems less than likely. I’m beginning to assume DW has to make a trade or two this summer to upgrade the roster at all…otherwise we’re going to regress.

Also, I think Vesce is gone…playing in the KHL next year or something.

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Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 30, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct. Vesce signed with someone in the KHL.

Would be cool to go check him out on my next trip home.

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by Ivano M on Jun 30, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of OT but

Has anyone seen this kid Brandon Mashinter play?

Young PF in worcester when can he be NHL Ready. He’s good on NHL 10 :)

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

lol honestly i thought you’re name was Brandon Mashinter (BrandonMK50, seems pretty close lol) and you were just making a joke about the player you created in NHL 10 being hella good or something haha.

Mashinter looks like he has some serious potential. He’s huuge, 6’3" and in 52 games in the OHL he scored 34 goals 24 assists and 58 points.

He didn’t do as well in his first season in the AHL but he still had respectable numbers. It sounds like he just needs to get some more experience and work on his skating and he’ll be a monster.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol naw my CAP wouldnt fit on DWs payroll. His rating is way too good.

Well that sounds alright. He could be a good replacement for Clowe if he’s traded.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, not this year, no way.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course not this year, down the line of course.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, really not replacing Clowe if traded then. I don’t ever see him in the top 6 anyway.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well not necessarily “replacing” but if clowe is traded this year, Mashinter stays down for 2 seasons, improves, and eventually takes his spot is what im trying to say. He’d still be taking his roster spot eventually.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, we’re going to wait around for 2 more years with no power forward? I don’t really get what your trying to say. It’s like saying Heatley took Nolan’s spot.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man…stop being a dick. You know what he means.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

alright alright. I don’t know what’s wrong with me lately.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

too much WTC

not enough real news and no hockey

High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous

"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise

by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 30, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

no hockey

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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by Angy on Jun 30, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m overly cranky and this time of year is when the faux Sharks fans drive me nuts. I just associate what I perceive as whining to be part of that group.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d project him as a 3rd/4th liner in the same mold as McLaren. Dude is a force who can also clean up garbage in front of the net. The guy is an asshole to play against and generally loves mixing it up.

I also think he’s the guy that injured Boyle in the Teal and White game last year. Dude is ruthless, even against his own potential teammates.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the videos of him on youtube are him fighting lol :\ there are like 7 videos of him dominating people. I wanna see some real videos ugh… Found this video of McGin and Joslin http://crazymotion.net/cribs-1-of-3-san-jose-sharks-players-jamie-mcginn-derek-joslin-mike-moore/wGX9zR3XWp2cjAy.html

by THEMARD on Jun 30, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, they call him Monster Mash for a reason.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn don't open that link at work

me thinks my computer is all jacked up now.

High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous

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by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

that’s an awesome nickname.

by Khaaz on Jun 30, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s a few years away from the NHL but I like watching all of his fights

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by idunno723 on Jun 30, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just throwing this out there

Tommy Preissing. Put on waivers today, 1 year left at $2.75mill. Thoughts?

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Preissing is a 4 or 5 D-man.

We need a 1 or 2. If you keep Boyle and Murray together, terrific, but that’s a second pairing. You still need someone to play with Vlasic. Someone preferably with some size and offensive upside. Preissing will find a home somewhere, just not in teal again.

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by ElvisVF101 on Jun 30, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you!

I just saw that today and thought, hmmmm. I only knew him as a Shark for one season I think, that’s when I became a fan, and then he got traded. Always liked him though :o)

BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats more than Wallin...

No thank you. Granted i havent seen him play in (5?) years when he was with the sharks. And i was 12 so i didnt pay attention to second paired Defensmen.

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had no idea he was a free agent

But, hey, from what you said, he sounds like a great addition.

In terms of money, he may be a bit too expensive. But, if we can ship a guy out like Clowe, or just not sign Setoguchi (both of which are options) I’m sure we could snag him. He may also have turned down the $4M offer because it’s Ottawa, which (no offense) seems rather depressing.

Getting him and Martin would be quite awesome if you ask me. Of course, then there’s a lot of reliance on the “pipeline” to fill up some less expensive roster spots. Plus, we still need a vet goalie and possibly a few additions on offense?

Clearly, DW is going to have to ship away some piece of this already deadly puzzle. The question is, who… and to bring in whom?

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by Bockerz on Jun 30, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s gonna make 5+. Bank on it.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

DW isn't going to do anything

Wilson is content with having our D as it is for the year coming. I believe this year is going to be a “test” year. Wilson is going to give guys like Doherty, Petrecki, Joslin, and even Demers one more year to develop before he makes any major deals for the D. Once he gets a better feeling for what these guys are going to bring to the team, he then can assess what the team will need.

He is also going to see how well Greiss plays (infront of an okay D line as it is to see how good Greiss really is).

This will all let Wilson assess the team for the next couple of years to make a deep playoff run.

by kiwi93 on Jun 30, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

How would people feel about Derek Morris?

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

It doesn’t seem like it is done often, but would a back-loaded contract solve the issues for this year? Say Volchenkov got 4 yrs, $20M but the contract was structured like this:

Yr 1: $3.5M
Yr 2: $4.5M
Yr 3: $6M
Yr 4: $6M

From our perspective, it would surely work this year as we would have $4.2M from the defensive side coming off the books next year (Wallin and Huskins) and mainly have RFA’s McGinn, Demers and Greiss to worry about next year as well as UFA Jumbo Joe. Then you can start thinking about trading Huskins and/or Mitchell this offseason to get under the cap and use Joslin as the 7th D-Man. No Mitchell would mean more playing time for a guy like Ferriero. And all of this would allow us to keep Clowe for at least one more year.

The same philosophy could be applied to any upper-tier FA with respect to our cap this year. So the real questions are, could something like this happen? and would it be smart moving forward?

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Jun 30, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I really doubt something like that would happen. DW has already said he hates front-loaded contracts I dont see why he would feel differently about back loaded contracts.

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by Krishna on Jun 30, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

too much $$$

For that, we would have kept Nabby.

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is Volchenkov’s current cap hit?

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by Noctro on Jun 30, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter, he’s coming off an RFA deal.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how this changes much, they could front or back load it.

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by Evilducks on Jun 30, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cap hit is the average salary over the term of the contract. He’d still be a 5 mill cap hit. What does it matter if they structured his deal out like that?

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification.

We just traded who for who?!

by BawLa on Jun 30, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for fun, wishful 'chopping

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by SwisherThresher on Jun 30, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

18?

i thought he wore 24…:)

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by BrandonMK50 on Jun 30, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My my

doesn’t he just look good sportin’ the teal?? I likee.

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NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."

by sharkiesgirl on Jul 1, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is so freaking amazing!

truthfully…everyone looks amazing in teal. :) hi there young’un.

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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

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