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San Jose Sharks UFA Defensive Targets: Part One

The young Jack O'Callahan will be one of the most sought after defenseman in this year's free agent class.

The young Jack O'Callahan will be one of the most sought after defenseman in this year's free agent class.

With my personal salary allocation proposal finished, it is now time to take a look at some of the notable names who could possibly fill the Sharks blueline next offseason.

As mentioned earlier this week, here is what I am looking for in terms of additions this offseason:

The issues with the Sharks defense have been well chronicled on Fear The Fin during the course of the regular season, and it is in San Jose's best interest to bring in an impact top three player who can play in varying situations, most importantly in his own end. This has been my proposed plan for six months now, and Doug Wilson finally has the salary maneuverability to tickle me with glee.

Taking into account the potential for trades and the likely price of free agent defenseman who could serve as a 2-3 guy behind Dan Boyle, my personal preference would be to spend $18.5 M-$21.5 M on the backend going into next year.

In order to hit that magic number, I currently have $4.0 M - $7.0 M to work with in free agency. It provides me enough cash to land a premier player that can come in and play top two minutes alongside Dan Boyle, attempt to balance out the depth of the blueline and land two mid-range players who would upgrade the unit as a whole by filling in the middle pairings, or work for a trade later in the month to free up some salary in order to land a tier one and two/three player.

To make this more manageable, I have attempted to group each set of players into three distinct categories. Tier 1 indicates the player would come in at roughly $4.0 M+ on the open market and would be able to play top two minutes with Dan Boyle. Tier 2 indicates the player would come in at roughly $2.0 M - $3.5 M on the open market and would be able to provide an increased amount of depth by filling up the middle portion of the defensive core. Tier 3 indicates the player would come in at less than $2.0 M, and would be a bottom pairing minutes defenseman.

What follows are certain individuals I have highlighted as desirable targets in the unrestricted free agent category. Names are accompanied with a brief blurb on what they bring to the table. As expected, Tier 1 players are the ones that everyone who casually follows the NHL are aware of-- this includes opposing GM's, and likely means that a bidding war will ensue for their services. The further you get down the list, the more obtainable the players become.

In my opinion, expecting Tier 1 players to sign in San Jose lies more on the side of wishful thinking than a reasonable conclusion. Doug Wilson has not made much of a splash in this area over the years, likely due to a belief that July 1st is a day when the majority of general managers overpay for players. Rob Blake, who was signed in the twilight of his career, remains one of the few high impact free agent signings San Jose has made in the last five seasons-- Manny Malhotra remains one of the few who signed for below market value to play for the Sharks.

The trade and draft tables are where the Sharks have historically flourished.

Tempered enthusiasm is how I approach tier one players. Of course it is a possibility to gain their services, and I approach it as such in this piece considering the vast amount of salary cap space available this offseason-- San Jose has a near unprecedented number of dollars to spend during free agency due to the fact that big ticket players such as Patrick Marleau and Evgeni Nabokov are uncertain returns. However, with history offering us a framework of expectations, assuming Doug Wilson will land a big fish is far from a foregone conclusion.

Star-divide

As the team currently stands, there are two puck movers in Boyle and Demers. Boyle is able to log herculean minutes in nearly all situations, while Demers possesses great power play skills but requires sheltering at evens. Douglas Murray is a depth defenseman who was likely asked to play outside of his role this season but brings a slew of physical acumen to the table. Kent Huskins, while overpaid, is able to provide value on the bottom pairing.

This post is quite long, so the music is just there for you to enjoy while you read-- no particular significance.

Tier One

Dan Hamhuis, Nashville (27): Similar to Marc-Edouard Vlasic in many regards, Hamhuis is able to go up against opposing team's top lines while drawing the tough assignments night in and night out. His offensive ability is above average and he is able to move the puck up the ice well with a strong first pass. Physical play is sporadic, but provides some value in this area. Probably the most well-rounded defenseman on the market.

Anton Volchenkov, Ottawa (28): A supreme shot blocker, Volchenkov is a physical presence to be contended with. He gets the tough matchups like Dan Hamhuis and is extremely sound in his own end. Offensive skills are lacking immensely, and would be required to be paired with a player such as Dan Boyle in order to ensure that the puck is moved briskly out of the Sharks end. Due to his physical play, Volchenkov has struggled with injuries over the course of his career.

Pavel Kubina, Atlanta (33): A good offensive defenseman, Kubina is likely on the tail end of his career and would be looking for multiple years in order to make one last trip to the bank before falling out of top-four territory. He saw tough competition with Atlanta, but was fairly sheltered in Toronto on a less than impressive Maple Leafs team. Kubina gets you what Hamhuis and Volchenkov won't-- a presence on the powerplay, and a big shot in the offensive zone. However, he's less of a defensive stalwart than these two players despite his imposing frame. Rejected a trade to San Jose in 07-08 before Doug Wilson landed Brian Campbell.

Paul Martin, New Jersey (29): Paul Martin might be one of the better defenseman on the market this offseason, and it's quite fortunate for potential suitors that an injury racked 09-10 campaign (he missed 59 games with a broken arm) could potentially decrease his value-- he's gotten very little press from what I've seen. Outside of this season, Martin has been durable throughout his career and logged big minutes on a Devils squad against tough competition-- he also possesses many of the skills that Doug Wilson seems to be looking for in defenseman, which is an ability to move the puck and skate well up the ice. However, he is not known for an especially imposing physical presence which could be a minus for those looking for a big-bodied defenseman to clear the crease. That being said, he is far from a slouch in the defensive zone, and is excellent at limiting shots on net.

Zbynek Michalek, Phoenix (26): Michalek rounds out our Tier One list, and admittedly, he could be considered a tweener-- whether or not he brings in $4.0 M+ is likely up to market circumstances and who wants to invest in a younger defenseman compared to his counterparts. Ottawa is rumored to be a good fit for him considering the fact that they may lose Volchenkov to free agency and his brother (former-Shark Milan) currently plays in Canada's capital (Ottawa, you foolish Americans). Michalek is a great shot blocker and goes up against the toughs on a nightly basis, and would provide immediate help on the penalty kill to reduce Dan Boyle's TOI in this situation. There's some offensive upside, but his role would largely be in his own zone.

Tier Two

Jordan Leopold, Pittsburgh (29): Leopold has bounced around over the years, undergoing four trades in the last five seasons despite winning the Hobey Baker as a college senior. A good puck mover and more than adept at controlling the puck at the point, Leopold would instantly improve the Sharks power play as well as giving them another puck moving defenseman to work with. Defensively however, Leopold is a definite question mark. Sheltered in Calgary and Colorado he was seen primarily as an offensive player, but a stint in Florida this year saw him log some tough minutes in his own end. Whether he turned the corner defensively in 09-10 is up for debate, but the safe bet would be to assume that Leopold would largely be utilized in an offensive role.

Willie Mitchell, Vancouver (33): Mitchell missed the majority of this season (34 games including playoffs) with a severe concussion sustained in mid-January after being run into the boards by Evgeni Malkin. Canucks head coach Alain Vigneault expressed concern in February over the progress of Mitchell's health, and as it is with every traumatic head injury, whether or not a player will be the same afterwards should be a concern. When healthy however, Mitchell is a bruising shutdown defenseman with shot blocking upside. He will be able to go against opposing teams top lines and log big minutes every single night, contributing heavily to the penalty kill. Offensively Mitchell will likely need to be paired with a puck mover, but once entering the offsensive zone, has a decent slap shot from the point that he keeps hard and low. Could be had for a bargain price considering his age and concerns over concussions.

Dennis Seidenberg, Boston (28): Seidenberg was covered earlier this season by Fear The Fin, with his shot blocking prowess being cited as a definite positive for a team that needed help in restricting shots on net. 2010-2011 will be no exception, as Evgeni Nabokov is expected to be let go in order to free up cap space for other acquisitions. Outside of his shot blocking ability, Seidenberg would serve in the three-four hole and be able to provide above average skills to the offensive zone in comparison to his counterparts. Defensively he's sound, but after years of playing in the Southeast Division against middle of the road competition, expecting him to be a stalwart shutdown defenseman in his own end is unrealistic.  A nice pickup to increase San Jose's depth, but unlikely a high impact player.

Joe Corvo, Washington (32): Corvo is similar to Leopold in many respects, as he would greatly increase the strength of the Sharks power play and bring another puck moving element to the backend. However, Leopold is much tighter defensively than Corvo, and with the rate at which Corvo turns the puck over in the Southeast Division, there should be some major concern as to whether he would be the answer in San Jose next offseason. Requires a partner who is extremely solid in his own zone (physically, as well as positionally).

Henrik Tallinder, Buffalo (31): Tallinder has played his entire career in Buffalo, serving in a shutdown role for two of the last three seasons. He was paired with the upstart Tyler Myers this season, but contributed heavily to the success of that pairing-- his 07-08 campaign was equally as impressive as last season's. While Tallinder is not the caliber of shutdown defenseman you'll see in a Dan Hamhuis, his bang for the buck is noteworthy and would be a good fit for San Jose if Doug Wilson is looking for a defensively oriented player to step into the top three. Talinder's big body presence, shot blocking ability, and solid skating round out a player who could be overlooked on July 1st and come in at a reasonable price.

Star-divide

This concludes part one of our look at the free agent defensive targets San Jose could pursue this offseason, and represent the players I feel would be of most interest to the team in a top four role. Later this weekend I'll take a look at some other tier two players, along with a few tier three's. Those individuals include Mike Mottau, Toni Lydman, Carlo Coliacavo, Adrian Aucoin, among others.

As for now, here is my current desired depth chart taking projected price into account:


UFA Defenseman

#
Player
team
age 09-10 cap
projected cap
1
Paul Martin
NJD 29 $3.833 M
$4.0 - $4.5 M
2
Dan Hamhuis
NSH 27 $2.0 M
$4.0 - $4.5 M
3
Zbynek Michalek
52.86 26 $1.25 M
$3.0 - $4.0 M
4
Willie Mitchell
52.86 33 $3.5 M
$3.0 - $3.5 M
5
Anton Volchenkov
52.86 28 $2.5 M
$5.0 M+
6
Henrik Tallinder
52.86 31 $2.56 M
$3.0 - $3.5 M
7
Pavel Kubina
52.86 33 $5.0 M
$4.0 -$4.5 M
8
Dennis Seidenberg
52.86 28 $2.25 M
$2.25 - $3.0 M
9
Jordan Leopold
52.86 29 $1.75 M
$2.0 - $2.5 M
10
Joe Corvo
52.86 32 $2.625 M
$2.5 M- $3.0 M

Three players I project Doug Wilson to target heavily are Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, and Jordan Leopold. Both bring a good blend of puck moving ability along with an attention to the defensive zone, and likely aren't out of the Sharks price range as a guy like Anton Volchenkov will be.

Willie Mitchell, Henrik Tallinder, Zbynek Michalek and Dennis Seidenberg are all good acquisitions that won't be commanding big dollars on the market like their tier one counterparts. Offensive ability is fairly limited with this group, but shot blocking and strong defensive zone responsibilities make them good value players for a Sharks team that needs to get better at limiting shots considering their uncertain goaltending situation.

Anton Volchenkov, Joe Corvo, and Pavel Kubina seem like long shots to sign with San Jose.

 

Go Sharks.

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Good write-up.

I didn’t know much about Paul Martin before reading this, except for the fact he was injured and missed the Olympics for the U.S. But, now he seems like he would be a pretty good fit in San Jose. And Tallinder seems like a very appealing cheaper option.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 4, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice post, although i haven’t had a chance to read the whole thing yet (about to leave).

If i got to choose from those guys without taking cap into consideration, or the likelyhood of being able to sign them, I’d definitely take Paul Martin and Volchenkov; although NJ will probably want Martin back and Volchenkov will probably cost way too much for us.

I think Michalek and Seidenberg would give us the best bang for our buck.

by Khaaz on Jun 4, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent music selection, Mr. Plank.

Broken Bells and Local Natives are two of my favorite releases this year. Might I recommend The Radio Dept. and The Black Keys?

Also; I’d love to see a Michalek in teal again; Seidenberg or Martin would be pickups I’d be thrilled with as well.

by spottedstomper on Jun 4, 2010 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Just picked up the Local Natives album on vinyl. Beauty. I love the Black Keys, but haven’t heard of The Radio Dept. I’ll check them out later today.

Martin’s a beauty of player, and a guy I think DW really goes after hard. We’ll see what happens.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 5, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d jump up and down in joy if we got Martin. If it weren’t for injuries this year, he’d easily be the top UFA dman on the market.

by tarlinian on Jun 5, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got to meet Local Natives at a show out here

A high school friend is good friends with the band, so I went to a small show they played at a bar last year. They were awesome live, and I was waiting for their album to come out, still need to pick it up. My friend asked if they could stay at my place while they were on tour, but there was no way I could fit them all in my one bedroom…what could’ve been.

Dig the write up too, still would love to see Z. Michalek find his way to San Jose. He’d look good in teal.

by Chicago Shark on Jun 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Broken Bells was such a let down.

The first two tracks are the best on the album and then it goes so much downhill. It’s not necessarily bad, it’s just.. with these two guys.. man. You expect something great. The review from my mag sums it up pretty good.

There’s much better in the genre to come out this year, but I did enjoy the album.

Frustrated fireworks inside my head..

by Ninjames on Jun 7, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Broken Bells was still good.

But I agree, they could have done a lot more. If it makes you feel better, I saw the National, LCD Soundsystem and The XX in the past few weeks too—all of their releases have been pretty phenomenal; although I’m just a huge homer for the National now.

by spottedstomper on Jun 7, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody going to try and go to the draft this year?

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by Evilducks on Jun 4, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

oh, you referred to Kubina as Kaberle…

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by Evilducks on Jun 4, 2010 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Fixed, thanks.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 5, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willie Mitchell would be awesome

Assuming he’s recovered.

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by Evilducks on Jun 4, 2010 11:03 PM PDT reply actions  

good write-up

Leopold would be a very good fit in the Sharks’ so-called puck possession system. I like his offensive instincts, mobility, and shot. He’s solid (not spectacular) in his own zone, but he makes very few mistakes. Would make a very reasonable top 4 d-man if he goes for $ 2million. And should be effective so long as he’s not facing the top line. But I think the Pens were very impressed with his play and especially with the likelihood of Gonchar leaving, I think Shero will do his best to re-sign him.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jun 4, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Martin and Leopold.

One of the Sharks’ main weaknesses in their defensive end was even starting to clear the puck out. While not the most physical of defensemen, both posess the quality to get their stick in the way in timely fashion to break up passes, and have above-average puck handling ability. Meaning, they’ll have their heads on a swivel and won’t get stuck flailing the puck out to an opposing D-man on the point. Both are exceptional skaters, and while I love Demers’ upside due to his vision and soft hands, the kid’s slower than Clowe.

Skating ability is one of the reasons I’ve been pushing to get Joslin up quickly. Even though he’sin need of more seasoning (so his decision-making is on par with the speed of the NHL) , he can most certainly skate with the big boys. The tough part with Murray/Boyle/Vlasic/Demers/Joslin/Huskins D lineup is that it’s missing one thing: physical dominance.

-Huskins might bump the ocassional guy in the corner to dig for a puck.

-Vlasic weighs 40 pounds in all his gear, soaking wet.

-Crankshaft is no doubt a badass with size, and he’ll use it, but he’s like a SCUD missle. If they don’t see you coming from a mile away, you allegedly will get plowed. But if at any time you see him zoned in, avoidance can be relatively easy. Skill players sidestep Murray and have put him in bad situations at times, but it comes with the territory of having his style of play.

-Boyle playing defense is scary at times, mainly because he’s usually backchecking back anyways. Rarely do you see Boyle as the last man back at the blue, but it DOES happen. Just don’t expect the old man to blow anyone’s brains out.

- Joslin – hits a little, but is penalty prone. Maybe just rookie nerves, but he’s by no means ‘a threat’.

- Demers – If he could skate over to someone in time, he might hit them.

That being said, some of those defensemen would be useless in our system. Michalek, IMO, is wayyyy overrated. Sure, he blocked a shit-ton of shots this year. But if you’re a little guy who can’t push anyone around, and you see someone setting up, what do you do? You flop around like a dead fish in front of your goalie, every chance you get……And then you get labeled a ‘defensive specialist’. Clearing the zone is a crapshoot for Z, he’s too gunshy to even cross the blueline into the attacking zone, and he’s tiny.

Mitchell would be more serviceable than Z, and he’d be able to clear bodies from the front of the net. I didn’t watch Tallinder much, honestly. Guess I was too busy drooling over Myers.

 Corvo would take a mircale.. Or would he? I think Washington might be having cap worries this year, as well? Not sure. Anyways, yeah.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 4, 2010 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Meh

I think physicality is overrated. You don’t need to physically push people out of the crease, if you can tie up their sticks, and more importantly, you don’t have to do it if the puck is in your own zone. That’s only possible if you can make a decent breakout pass, not just “clear the zone”. Only Vlasic, Boyle and Demers in his limited minutes can actually do that right now and Vlasic tries to play it too safe at times because Blake is incapable of covering anyone’s ass. (All of the top 4 Chicago dmen can make breakout passes quite well.) Adding Martin or Hamhuis would really help in this regard. Getting a purely physical guy like Volchenkov would not.

I really like Martin and Hamhuis. (I have a feeling Martin will be re-signed by the Devils though.) Hamhuis might be the kind of guy who wants to go back to Canada as well. That leaves Leopold. I initially though he was close to his mid 30s for some reason, but now seeing that he’s under 30, I’d be fine with signing him as well.

by tarlinian on Jun 5, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Tomas Homstrom

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 5, 2010 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

He’s a forward, and only became more effective when the Sharks tried to push him out of the front of the net. You’d be better off basically having a 5-4 against the cycle and just getting the puck out of the zone instead of trying to fight the screen and cause more havoc for your goaltender to deal with.

by tarlinian on Jun 5, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay with a young Jack O'Callahan

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by mymclife on Jun 4, 2010 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Its true. Young OC’s a beast!

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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 5, 2010 5:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That performance might have priced him out of our price range, I’m afraid.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 5, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willie Mitchell was the first defenseman that jumped out on the list of FA D-men this summer. All the other “tier one” defensemen are great shutdown defensemen, but they don’t bring the presence on the ice that Mitchell does. And honestly, my roommate is a Nucks fan and I was able to thoroughly observe the before and after picture of the Nucks without Mitchell (especially in the playoffs).
I would take the risk assuming he doesn’t want any sort of a pay raise. Basically an instant replacement of Blake in both the depth chart and salary. And the thought of Mitchell paired with Vlasic night in and night out against other teams’ top lines makes me feel warm and fuzzy

by kaoticdragon on Jun 5, 2010 1:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Volchenkov

Plank, you were right, I did indeed enjoy the NHL season package this year as it offers you the opportunity to watch games one would otherwise never see. I watched a few Senators games hoping to see Cheechoo rebound and was shown the human backstop known as Anton Volchenkov. That man has no regard for his own health as he lays down or gets in between the shooter and the net shot after shot. I’d be concerned of his durability but what a gamer. Good write up by the way.

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by theneverman on Jun 5, 2010 7:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, there goes the possibility of signing Seidenberg.
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Bruins sign Dennis Seidenberg. 4 years, $3.25 per year. $13 million total.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 5, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

They won’t, at least not this year except maybe at the deadline if the Bruins are out of contention. The NHL and the PA frown upon sign and trades like that.

by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jun 5, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, shit. If this sets the market to some degree, then I would expect all of my projected cap hits above to bump up around $0.5 – $1.0 M this offseason. We’ll see if DW wants to get into a bidding war for Martin or Hamhuis, because they bring a whole lot more value than Seidenberg.

Should be very interesting to see what kind of defenseman the Sharks pursue this offseason. The hope for a top pairing player took a bit of a hit today.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 5, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn. Seems like a lot for him.

by sharks in oc on Jun 5, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not being completely serious, but Sergei Gonchar is out there

Sergei Gonchar will be a free agent. Penguins have yet to sign him to a deal. He’s looking for a multi-year deal (3-5 years) with probably an estimated cap hit of at least $4 million/year. he’s got a wicked shot, fantastic mobility, and IMO, is the piece to the Penguins powerplay. Defensively he’s on-and-off. This year, he struggled a bit in his own zone, but he’s more physical than people give him credit for. Has struggled with injuries the last two seasons, so I understand the Pens reluctance to sign him especially because he’s over 35.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jun 5, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I left Gonchar and Niedermayer out of this only because I don’t think there’s any way San Jose ties up that kind of money in a primarily offensive guy, especially when Dan Boyle is already taking up a lot of cap space in that role.

Fair point, though. Gonchar would be wicked on the power play like you mentioned.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 5, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gonchar is not what the Sharks need. Besides, after his performance against the Habs in game 7 all I can say is:

by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jun 5, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I did say I was

Not being completely serious

and
Defensively he’s on-and-off. This year, he struggled a bit in his own zone

But thanks for reminding me of the Moen goal.

It’s interesting that you used the photo that shows Gonchar’s reaction right after Ovechkin ran into him. He missed the rest of the series, but then played the next 11 games playing on a partially torn MCL. Guy is a warrior. Haters can hate on Gonchar for his inconsistency in his own zone, but there’s no denying that he’s a beast on the power play. If he was five years younger, I might actually be serious.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jun 5, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sergei Gonchar for Russian Premier!*
In fact, since his first NHL season in 1995, only Lidstrom has scored more points among defencemen. Lidstrom tallied 889 points in that time, while Gonchar tallied 684 points. Scott Niedermayer was third with 653 points. Lidstrom’s 209 goals just barely eclipsed Gonchar’s 202 goals in that span.

*not being serious

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by Will Bulldozer on Jun 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are the chances of Blake coming back?

He said he’d decided already and we haven’t heard anything. I like to pretend he’ll come back cheap as a 3rd pairing guy

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by Evilducks on Jun 5, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a distinct feeling Blake is going the retirement route, but if he comes back, I agree that the ideal situation would be as a cheap third pairing guy.

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by Mr. Plank on Jun 5, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

After watching him all season long, who would have thought a lot of people would want him to come back?

What a difference a month of playoffs can make. Still, with him, it’s all about managing his minutes and not over using him. Assuming he comes back at all.

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by Evilducks on Jun 5, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m predicting (well, hoping, i guess) he comes out of retirement sometime in February or March and resigns with the Sharks for super cheap to make a playoff run and get another chance at the cup.

by Khaaz on Jun 5, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a pretty big Martin fan...

Assuming he’s ready to stay healthy, and NJ doesn’t lock him down, he could be a real boon to the blueline. Someone like him paired with Boyle could help us be an awesome transition team…as Boyle could start up the rush with the foewards, because Martin can make that first pass out fine. He’s also solid defensively.

Although, after Seidenberg’s contract, maybe we should go after a Tier 2 guy like Tallinder (who I also like as a shutdown guy) and not tie up too much money in the blueline. I still worry about our overall playoff scoring.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 5, 2010 5:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Martin and Seidenberg

I would really like these two coming to San Jose. Great combination of a top guy who can play with Boyle and really shut down opposing top forwards, and a guy who can block the ridiculous amounts of shots put on our net every game. Skill and grit, just the combo DW loves right?

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by notw53 on Jun 5, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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This offseason is going to kill me.

by sharks in oc on Jun 5, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Johnny Boychuk

Where does Johnny Boychuk fit in for you? His 69 NHL games of experience is a small sample size, but he was very strong for Boston in the playoffs, leading them in blocked shots. He has good size, hits people, can log mega-minutes.

Is this the type of player that might fly just enough under the radar that DW could snag him?

by dudedoug on Jun 5, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Boychuck did benefit from playing with Big Z. Chara could have a broom as a defensive partner and it would still be a top 4 defensive pairing on most teams.

by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jun 6, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Boston certainly won't be able to afford him now

But he seems like he might sort of be an under-the-radar guy who might initially seem overpaid—but might be the kind of guy DW would actually try to get. I really doubt, with all the other concerns in terms of unrestricted and restricted free agents, that he breaks the bank for a new defenseman.

by Timorous Me on Jun 6, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about these two...

I don’t know what I think about them, but I’ve read things about Souray (getting traded) and Pothier (UFA)…

by kiwi93 on Jun 6, 2010 7:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Jim Matheson in the Edmonton Journal today suggested that the Sharks might be a suitor for Souray, with Huskins as part of the package to acquire him.

Considering Souray is fragile and carries a $5.4 million cap hit, I would much rather stay very, very far away. It’s not like Souray is even that good when healthy. Yeah, strong on the PP, but he can be incredibly bad in his own zone, especially when he’s playing at less than 100%.

by Timorous Me on Jun 6, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

According to Matheson, it would take Huskins and Mitchell… That’s not a bad price. But Souray’s cap hit is way too much for the Sharks that he’s not worth it.

by kiwi93 on Jun 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Martin is the only reasonable

target on this list IMO, but I think the Devils re-sign him. I’d rather see DW get aggressive with some RFA’s and piss a few people off this summer. As I stated in another post…IF Blake, Nabby, and Patty all leave, he’d have the resources to get nasty.

I know that’s not going to be too popular with Shark fans or other GM’s, but personally I hope it’s the way it shakes out. It’s the only way I see them continuing to be competitive for the next 5+ years. Otherwise this team will reach an age based critical mass in 2 years, and the dreaded “rebuilding” phase will begin. There’s no guarantee you EVER come out of that…(see Edmonton, NY Islanders)

by rumpledforeskin on Jun 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

So we like Martin and Hjalmarsson

2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.300m)
Joe Pavelski ($4.250m) / Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / Manny Malhotra ($1.500m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
Jed Ortmeyer ($0.550m) / Scott Nichol ($0.750m) / John McCarthy ($0.550m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Paul Martin ($4.750m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.000m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Mike Moore ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.500m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$58.8m; PAYROLL: $59.554m; CAP ROOM: $0.176m BONUSES: $0.930m

This also doesn’t require Patty to take a pay cut. These cap hits are pretty realistic to me…

by kiwi93 on Jun 7, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I think stealing Hjalmarsson away for 3 mil is unlikely. Chicago would probably match that and deal away other salary instead.

That’s just my theory anyway.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 7, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love it

But the bottom two lines look shaky to say the least

by Sharkwagon on Jun 7, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

goal scoring

nice post, well thought out and it makes sense to add some quality on the backend, that goes without saying, however in my ‘expert’ opinion the reason the Sharks fell short (again) against the Blackhawks was the same as it has been.

LACK OF GOALS IN BIG GAMES!

the 7 goals in a 4 game series loss to Chicago were the biggest reason they aren’t playing tonight..

kinda like the 11 goals weren’t enough in losing in 6 to the Quacks..

i don’t think in todays NHL they will ever be enough again!

so yeah i’d certainly be in favor of adding somebody to the blueline, but not if it means they stay pat up front..

this core group of forwards have proven by now they need some help putting the puck in the back of the net come playoffs..

i’m in favor of using Nabokov’s salary to pick up somebody who can help with putting the puck in the net..

the Sharks scouting staff has certainly proven they have an eye for picking and developing goaltending talent.. So i believe the time has come for a change in net to help create the cap space to make the necessary changes up front to get over the hump come playoffs next year..

by Tony F. on Jun 8, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the reason there were so few goals had less to do with how weak our offense is, and more to do with how strong Chicago’s defense was. Our offense couldn’t use the same dump/chase strategy they implemented so well against Colorado and Detroit since the Chicago defensemen did such a good job of recovering the puck and then making breakout passes up to their forwards for scoring opportunities. We need to try and emulate the same strategy imo.

To put it simply, having awesome defense means the other team scores less goals, spends less with the puck, and spends less time in your zone; meaning you’re probably spending more time in the offensive zone and you’re probably getting more scoring opportunities.

Plus, we may have questionable goaltending next year so beefing up our blueline is going to be a must. Also you gotta expect that a lot of our younger guys who are still developing will be looking a lot better come playoff time next year; guys like Couture, McGinn, Seto, Mitchell, etc.

by Khaaz on Jun 8, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

What exactly would these super new forwards that we bring in do when we can’t get the puck out of our own zone? Considering that’s the problem we had with Chicago, I’m not sure I see what you’re getting at.

"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda

by Evilducks on Jun 8, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

goals are a requirement

“Our offense couldn’t use the same dump/chase strategy they implemented so well against Colorado and Detroit since the Chicago defensemen did such a good job of recovering the puck and then making breakout passes”

i don’t know if that’s what you heard happened or if that’s what you actually believe happened. but the fact of the matter is the Sharks outshot and more importantly outchanced the Blackhawks in every game but game 2.

they shut them down to the tune of a couple of long shots from the blueline that quite frankly our goalie let us down on..

put it like this, i can agree that the Sharks should look to add more strength and consistency to their backline, but the facts are that the Sharks have stopped scoring when it matters,

the Blackhawks plan wasn’t to give up 45 shots a game and rely on their unproven rookie to stand on his head..

the Sharks had the game on their stick in 3 of the 4 games against the Hawks and they failed to do enough with their quality chances.. and they had plenty!

sure hope they resign Marleau and add somebody who wants to get with his program.. had they had somebody do it against Chicago they would’ve advanced.. it wouldn’t have taken too much is my point..

7 f’n goals in 4 games is the reason they failed again!

you have to score to win nowadays..

by Tony F. on Jun 8, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

lol I know they outchanced them, (i actually just posted about that in response to someone in the Kovalchuk thread) which is why i think our offense is fine.

IMO we lost because Niemi outplayed Nabokov, and Heatley made some defensive mistakes.

Our offense is pretty strong though. It would be hard to reliably upgrade our offense unless we devoted even more cap space to it and somehow got a guy like Iginla or something, but thats a pipedream. Meanwhile we can easily make some very clear improvements to our defense.

So if we want to improve our team, the easiest most efficient way to do that would be to beef up our blueline. We can’t afford to keep Nabby so a change in goaltending is necessary as well, which could possibly be an area of improvement as well.

Either way, we’re going to have a younger, less experienced goaltender next season so we need to have some strong defense pairings to support him.

by Khaaz on Jun 8, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sharks may have had a lot of chances but....

They couldn’t consistently get bodies in front of Niemi to create traffic. I think a lack of traffic was the reason for the lack of scoring, and not a talent issue.

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 8, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

7 goals in 4 games or less than 2 per

The Sharks failed to advance past Chicago because they scored less than 2 goals per game. Period! End of story/ season.The chances certainly were there with all the shots and zone time. So how exactly will adding nothing up front improve their dismal production? I just don’t see it happening unless they add a couple guys. Clearly the 3rd and 4th lines can be bolstered. You cannot win a playoff round with only one guy capable of lighting the lamp. Just like you won’t win anything if you don’t score better than 2 goals per contest. I wouldn’t care if we brought in the second coming of Roy or Brodeur next year, until they finally figure out how to score more than 2 goals a game they’ll never do anything except break hearts..

by Tony F. on Jun 9, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s not that simple. It’s like a boxer fighting a guy with awesome defense, who just blocks, bobs, and weaves your attacks and then counterpunches. That’s how i see Chicago’s playstyle against us. We didn’t land a lot of good punches cuz our opponent played such a defensive game, and they were very good at counterpunching. So in the rematch, do you just lift weights to try to punch harder and just try to throw as many punches as you can at your opponent hoping you catch them? No way, you’ll just leave yourself open for attack and you’ll get counterpunched and probably KO’d. You gotta play a similar game so that they have to stop playing/fighting so defensively if they want any hope of scoring points/landing shots.

The reason Philly is having an easier time scoring imo, is because they have a similar style and so they’ve kinda canceled each other out and now it’s just turned into a brawl where each guy is just swinging for the fences to try and score.

by Khaaz on Jun 9, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about we insert a guy capable of scoring 50 goals a season that isn’t afraid to battle in front of the net with a wicked shot? oh yeah..we have one of those who was playing with a torn groin. Our offense isn’t the issue. we just went up against a strong defense, a goalie playing a great series and bounces around the net just not going in our favor this time. the real difference in the series was the sharks never fully addressing chicago’s favorite break out of their zone (puck tied along the boards and dumping to a guy in the faceoff dot. a move which philly DID address and shut down more often than not in the finals). It was a lot like watching the series against Detroit with the bounces in reverse. 3 of the 4 games the sharks dominated more of the play and had the better chances, bounces went our way against the detroit and didn’t against Chicago. Getting a top 4 d-man to replace Blake is the big move we need to make aside from re-signing patty and locking up Pavs and Seto. Also need to get at least one if not both of Manny and Scottie back.

by dannyschmanny on Jun 10, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh that was the other thing. We let Chicago’s speed effect our play. Against both Colorado and Detroit when we had zone time and the pick rimmed up towards the blueline…you would see one of our D-consistantly pinch down to throw the puck down low and keep the zone time going, but against Chicago 9 times out of 10 they pulled back and didn’t make that play.

by dannyschmanny on Jun 10, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely. I think that was one of the biggest reasons we didn’t have as much offensive success against Chicago; but i dunno if i could say that we would’ve been better off pinching like we did against Detroit/Colorado because Chicago really is fast, and they seem to specialize at getting breakaway goals.

Just go back and watch the game where Chicago eliminated Vancouver if you can. The Canucks we’re missing a lot of their top defensemen but in game 6 they said “screw it” and started pinching and playing more aggressive out of desperation, and then Chicago got tons of breakaways and ended up winning 5 to 1.

The Sharks just had too many lead footed defensemen that would get smoked if they didn’t have the headstart against guys like Kane/Hossa/Sharp/etc. so they stayed far back and effectively forced the forwards to try to score goals 3 on 5. (or 3 on 4 maybe, since Chicago would usually keep a guy up high in order to make sure our defensemen stayed back)

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is the offense not the issue when they only score 7 goals in the 4 game series?

i’m having a tough time letting that sink in..

and i understand perfectly well that Chicago had excellent defense, same with the Quacks the year before…

but i’d like to know when were going to face a contending team that doesn’t?

to win the Cup the Sharks are going to have to finally figure out what i’ve been saying here throughout..

they need to score better than the less than 2 goals per game they’ve been getting..

by Tony F. on Jun 10, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is the offense not the issue when they only score 7 goals in the 4 game series?

Our personnel on offense are not the issue, and if you had read anything anyone has said here you’d know why.

and i understand perfectly well that Chicago had excellent defense, same with the Quacks the year before…
but i’d like to know when were going to face a contending team that doesn’t?

The question you should be asking is, “when are we going to be a team that also has excellent defense, and a hot goaltender?”

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

best defense

the best defense is a good offense, i got news for you…

when are you apologists gonna recognize this?

by Tony F. on Jun 10, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol if that was the case we would have multiple Stanley Cup banners hanging from the rafters of HP.

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

how and when were we ever suppose to win while scoring LESS than 2 goals per game?

and i think we’re both Sharks fans here so i’m not laughing right now..

this shit aint funny..

by Tony F. on Jun 10, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m laughing at how you still haven’t read anything any of us have said, and how you think spending less money on defense and more money on offense would be a good thing.

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

punch drunk

Call it what you want, the bottom line is the Sharks oustings the last few seasons (3) all have the exact same theme. The goal scoring touch almost completely disappears. In every series they’ve lost in, they’ve averaged less then 2 goals per for the series.

How much defense do you think it’s going to take, if that’s the best we can expect from this core group of forwards come crunch time?

I don’t think there’s enough defense on the planet if the best we’re gonna do is 2 goals per in a series.

But i’m always in favor of improving the defense..

by Tony F. on Jun 9, 2010 7:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Defense creates offense. We couldn’t get the puck out of the zone and move it up ice. We couldn’t make the first couple of passes. That’s on the defense, that needs to be improved. We have plenty of guys that can score (we had the 3rd most goals in the league) It comes from not being able to break out, that is defense.

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by Evilducks on Jun 9, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

I also think that we knew that we didn’t have the best/fastest defensemen in the league (sans Boyle), so we made them stay at or behind the blueline to prevent breakaways/odd man rushes instead of pinching and helping out the offense like they did against Colorado and sometimes against Detroit.

by Khaaz on Jun 9, 2010 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

40 shots per

so the Sharks averaged nearly 40 f’n shots per game against the Hawks yet you’re gonna try and convince me they couldn’t break out of their zone? Give me a break already. The Sharks had the puck on their stick plenty of times and in spots where throughout the season they had gotten many a goal. They simply had no finishing touch when it mattered(again).

All they did was make a star out of another goalie nobody had heard of, same as they did with Hiller the season before.

Lets bring in a few guys with enough sack to finish when it really matters.. please!

i’ve lost all patience with this group up front. Especially anybody not named Marleau..

by Tony F. on Jun 10, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

So what, we should purge our whole offense because you think we’ve somehow managed to sign 11 forwards who have tons of talent and great numbers, but cannot score when it ‘really matters’?

And this is all based off of losing a couple playoff series’ against 2 extremely strong defensive teams with fiery hot goaltenders? Our offense sure looked pretty good against Colorado and Detroit…what, are those teams garbage and they don’t count?

Who are these new super amazing forwards that ‘know how to finish when it matters’ that you think we can get at the drop of a hat anyways?

You could’ve saved yourself a lot of typing and just said, “TRADETHORNTONFIREDOUGWILSON!”

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

who knows the right mixture

but i’d say keep Marleau, Pavelski, Seto, Heatley, Clowe and Couture… beyond that any and all could go for the right deal.. i’m tired of Jumbo always finishing a minus in the playoffs and passing up tons of shots.. the 3rd and 4th lines adding zero production while getting scored on themselves.. and a goalie who gives up goals from the blueline with no traffic in front to speak of..

so if they could get some value back for Thornton then yeah i’d have to give it some serious consideration..

but i like D.Wilson and i believe the reason he gets paid the big bucks is because he has the stones to eventually pull the trigger on any deal he believes will improve the team.. no matter who is involved..

by Tony F. on Jun 10, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

So you say you’ve lost all patience with our group up front, but then you think we should keep them all except Thornton? Thornton played great for us, his +/- sucked but that’s not a very reliable stat to judge a players performance on, especially over only 15 games. I can’t think of any goals in the Chicago series that were directly Thorntons fault. I just think Byfuglien was really effective against us/nabby and Heatley made a lot of defensive mistakes. Had Heatley not torn his groin i have a feeling Jumbo’s line would’ve scored a lot more and would’ve had a much better +/-.

About the 3rd and 4th line, you can’t really expect much scoring from your 3rd and 4th lines against a stacked team like Chicago with defensive depth for days. I think our 3rd and 4th lines are pretty darn strong, at least compared to other teams in the NHL other than Chicago. I’m sure they’ll be much better next year too, since a lot of them are young guys who are still developing (or recovering from an injury in Mitchell’s case).

by Khaaz on Jun 10, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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