On Kovalchuk, Nabokov and KHL
One of the bigger hockey news of the past weekend was a reported offer that KHL's SKA St. Petersburg extended to the pending free agent Ilya Kovalchuk. Leading Russian sports newspaper Sport Express broke the story, but did not cite any specific sources. Here is the English translation of the relevant part of the article by Mikhail Zislis that stirred up plenty of speculation in North American written media:
Financial heavyweights [of KHL] are still quiet - they are waiting for July 1st when free agency market opens again in NHL. It'll be then that we'll find out how good are the chances to see Kovalchuk, Frolov or others in Russia. Nonetheless, the New Jersey Devils forward is actively being courted by the ownership of SKA. The discussions are about a 3-year contract that includes not only a mind-blowing salary, but also a large signing bonus. According to sources, the average annual salary for Kovalchuk could be as high as 14 million dollars!
This is the kind of an offer that's impossible to reject. Not a single Russian athlete have ever earned this kind of money, and likely will not earn in the near future.
Assuming this offer exists, no one in the NHL can match the salary that SKA is offering to Kovalchuk. Even if the salaries were comparable, Russia taxes their residents at 13% tax rates versus 40+% that people like Kovalchuk are paying in this country.
However, I still disagree with Zislis on this and even if the offer is real, Kovalchuk is still going to reject it. Money is not everything that drives these athletes. When they are in their prime, they want to compete against the very best in the best hockey league there is. As great as the hype of Gagarin Cup is, it doesn't compare to the prestige of winning the ultimate prize, the Stanley Cup. That's why players like Ovechkin and Malkin stay here in the NHL when they could be earning higher salaries back home in Russia. The examples go beyond hockey - Russian top soccer player Andrei Arshavin rejected an impressive salary offer that came to stay and play in Russia as he was hitting his prime, and he is now playing in the English Premier League with FC Arsenal, where the level of competition is the highest in the world.
On top of that, KHL is still in its infancy as a business and as such, struggling to stay stable. Just weeks ago one of the most storied franchises Dynamo Moscow went out of business (which means the former Sharks favorite Alexei Semenov is a free agent again). The hockey players of Lada Togliati were not getting paid salaries for over 6 months last season and the club was forced to release 15 of them as free agents.
With this in mind, I simply don't see Kovalchuk starting next season anywhere else but the NHL. Not while he's still in his prime, and could still command one of the top NHL salaries.
But the news from Russia brought up the question that TCY already considered here at Fear the Fin a year ago, could the next Russian with an offer sheet from a KHL club be our very own Evgeni Nabokov?
Maybe, but not likely and here is why.
First, while Nabokov is older than Kovalchuk, he can still play some of the best hockey of his career, as we've seen during the last 20 or so games of this season. Out of the UFAs goaltenders that are seeking new contracts right now, Nabby is still at the top of that list. The era of cheap young goaltenders may be upon us, but should Nabokov remain a UFA on July 1st, there is no doubt he'll get at least several offers from the clubs around the league looking to strengthen their position in goal with experience. Washington, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Detroit could all be looking for an experienced goaltender, among others. By the way - if Doug Wilson decides to let Nabokov walk, we should all pray he ends up in the Eastern Conference. The last thing we want next spring is to face bitter Nabokov at any stage of playoffs. Imagine the nightmare, heartbreak and drama if he's actually playing for Detroit. The last time the Sharks had to face their bitter former goalie in playoffs didn't work too well for the Sharks.
Second, Nabokov has deep roots in North America. He played here for over 13 years, starting in the minors with Kentucky Thoroughblades and eventually becoming a starter with the Sharks in 2000/01 season. For comparison, he only played three seasons in Russia, before moving there from Kazakhstan. His wife is American, and his children were born here. We can only speculate on whether they're willing to leave the comforts of Northern California and trade them for Russian winters, but I know my American wife would not welcome such opportunity.
Third, up to this point, there has been absolutely no news reports linking Nabokov to KHL. The stories about Kovalchuk possibly getting an offer from KHL dominated the headlines since the last summer, as did the stories about Frolov. But when it came to Nabokov, I have not read any rumors or even questions for Nabokov if he'd even consider KHL as an option for next season. Perhaps it is because rich KHL clubs have yet to offer any big salaries to goaltenders. But the fact remains - there's been no information about any interest from Russia for Nabokov's services.
Not that Nabokov will never play in the KHL, especially since the big news in Russia this week is Dominik Hasek who signed a contract with Spartak Moscow, my favorite Russian team. Hasek even apologized for Nagano 1998 in his first Russian press conference. But there is a big difference between joining KHL as a 45 year old man who can't stop playing hockey even after winning every major trophy in the game, and joining KHL while still at the top of one's game.
Nabokov's return to the Motherland is just as unlikely at this point as Kovalchuk's.
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Imagine the nightmare, heartbreak and drama if he’s actually playing for Detroit.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Exactly.
Letting Nabby walk may not be as positive of a thing as we sometimes think it is.
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I don’t know, if he’s going to play for the peanuts that Detroit would be able to offer, I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t sign here for that. There are clubs in the west that could go after him, but I don’t think Detroit or Chicago are possibilities.
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LA on the other hand could be a possibility…
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Because DW may not offer him anything.
Detroit is just one of crazy possibilities, and I haven’t seen any indication that they’re losing their trust in Howard. But if Osgood retires, and Lidstrom says he wants to compete for another Cup before he retires and Detroit is not yet ready for a rebuild, I can see Holland going after an experienced goalie who can split the time with Howard. Not that I see Nabby signing for anything below $4M anywhere. But if he wants to win, and the Sharks are not offering him anything, Detroit seems like a logical destination.
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I don’t really see Detroit going after Nabby, I just don’t see how they can afford it. Not that they’d give him 4 mil a year, but I don’t see them offering more than 2, and if that’s what they’re paying and he’s willing to sign for then why wouldn’t the Sharks sign him for that?
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Agreed, Ivano27
The part that really rattles around in my mind is that it was our offensive play that really needed the Work. Not counting the open netter in the CHI series, these were, fo the most part, one point games. Simply put, CHI pushed on our net harder than we did theirs. It becomes more and more obvious the more you re-watch the match. The clear/icing-forecheck just was not effective against a fast team.
Jon Swenson said it best over on sharkspage “In Chicago, where the Sharks were swept in 4 games, Nabokov allowed 13 goals on 128 shots against but the goal support he received was non-existent. The third best offense in the Western Conference (3.22/gpg), and the fourth best in the NHL, could only manage 7 goals in 4 games agaisnt Chicago (1.75/gpg).”
Somewhat of a longwinded way of saying it, but I’m not convinced letting Nabby walk would give us enough cap space to staff up a comperable replacement and fix the offense issues we had against CHI. If anything, we’d probably put the net at greater risk, and still have the same offensive issues we had against CHI this year.
IMHO.
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Copper & Blue analyzed all the scoring chances between us and Chicago after each game and I think the Sharks had the better chances almost every game.
I personally went into the series thinking: Our offense was a little better than theirs, and that we had a big advantage in goaltending, but that they would have a big advantage on defense. I think I was right about everything but goaltending. Niemi stopped everything he should’ve stopped and he even made some really big saves and stole a game for Chicago, while Nabby let in softies and didn’t make the big saves when we needed them. I think that sums up the series. I actually think our defense played reasonably well, all things considered. The biggest defensive gaffs came from forwards imo; Heatley mostly, but if he really had a torn groin then he definitely gets a pass.
I think I don’t agree… I wish we could get a goaltender against to give up so many soft goals to us…
And I’d rather see the Sharks play against Nabby than see Marleau in a Kings jersey….
by skilletboy on Jun 8, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And who will we put in the crease, then?
Seriously. What real viable alternates do we have right now? None. And anyone we get from another team isn’t going to be going for $800K/yr., so it won’t really wash out all that clean.
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Look what a good defense did to Niemi
and at times Huet. If the Sharks can beef up the defense considerably, I’d be comfortable with a Greiss-[Stalock/Karlsson/Ellis/Price] tandem. Any combination of those goalies wouldn’t be an enormous risk with a beefed up D-Corps, and they wouldn’t be very expensive.
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I’m not really convinced that the D was the problem. We stayed way to far from the net playing hot potato with the puck rather than slapping it close and having 2-3 guys jump on a feeding frenzy at their net. Defensmen didn’t shrink the ice as well as we could have, for sure, as we continually had problems with their speed (which this would have neutralized), but I can’t even count the number of times I was yelling at them for wasting chances on unscreened shots. Broke my heart, mate.
Re: Niemi: I’m totally not going to take anything away from this guy. He’s shown himself to be a magician in the net right now, and I’ve all but given up waiting to see him crack—-it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. He appears to be the real deal, and looks to be one of the next generation of elite netminders.
Props to the CHI scouts. He’s paid in spades. I wouldn’t be surprised to see his salary jump 3-4x, especially if they win the cup.
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I’m really interested to see how this KHL / NHL “rivalry” works out. Maybe in a few years, preseason’s will be played against each other, but I can’t see this turning into something like the NBA absorbing part of the ABA.
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Eh, I doubt that there will ever be a serious rivalry between these two leagues, because the NHL seems to pool from a much more diverse talent pool with regard to countries of origin, and there are definitely differences in playing style between players hailing from Canada vs Russia vs Europe vs America, etc. Granted, the 2010 Olympics is a small sample size, but we saw how Russia crashed and burned due to their arguably too top heavy and defensively soft construction. At the same time, as Ivano said, the KHL is still in its infancy compared to the NHL, so things could change if more players decide that it’s worth living in Russia in exchange for potentially more upside potential.
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Well I wouldn’t put too much stock in just two bad periods in one Olympic game, especially since talent wise, Russia is still 2nd only to Canada.
But the idea of the rivalry is something that I hope will happen one day too as NHL and KHL come to reconcile their differences. They do it in soccer with the Champions League – a tournament between each European countries’ top teams and I enjoy watching it more than any other except the World/Euro Cup. They also pair up the winner of the Champions League against the winner of South American league, and European clubs don’t win every year despite having more talent. That game is played in Japan every winter, for whatever reason.
Last year KHL’s Metalurg Magnitogorsk (where Nabby played during the lockout) played NY Rangers in the preseason and beat them.
I think it would draw quite an attention if they played an exhibition game of SC Champion vs Gagarin Cup champion every September or something, and rotated every year. Or even the best Canadian club vs best Russian club – both countries are crazy about the game, and no doubt would sell it out every time.
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Ivano: Did this guy own a KHL team?

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That’s Mikhail Prokhorov the new owner of the New Jersey Nets. I watched the 60 Minutes profile on him which was awesome. I’ve never wanted to be a Russian more after I watched that profile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50edrZ0wrA
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I see. I guess he is a heavyweight then.
Just not in the gym.
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By the way, to answer your question, looks like he did financial support basketball, hockey and soccer clubs of CSKA brand at one point, but not an outright ownership.
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I think you’re thinking of Roman Abramovich, who owns Chelsea.
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Ivano: I have a serious question this time
How good is the level of play of the KHL? I see they have the financial backing, but what is the competition level like? And would Kovalchuk really take the money over playing in the NHL?
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The level is below the NHL’s. There is a big difference in the skill level of bottom teams vs top teams, and you’ll never see a team like Flyers who had to make playoffs in a shootout to then rise to the top and be within a game or two of winning it all.
Also, KHL’s hockey is somewhat boring to watch now that I’ve lived here for a while and watched hundreds of NHL games. Part of it is due to different rules and rink size and they are trying to change the game now. There are just too many passes and not enough hits.
However, if you put the best Russian KHL team into the Stanley Cup playoffs, I bet they’ll at least get to the conference final, especially in the East. The top teams are pretty competitive, well coached have good chemistry because KHL players don’t move around as much as NHL players do.
I don’t think Kovalchuk is going anywhere outside of NHL. Not yet.
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do they have something like FIFA Club World Cup
where the top teams of each league play against each other?
The KHL is years away from any sort of parity with the NHL
and the various global economic vaguaries will dictate much of when, if ever, that might come about.
Does Nabokov still have that interesting accent mix of Russian and Southern US?
Confusion will be my epitaph.
I’m not so sure it’s a given that Kovalchuk stays here. If it’s really somewhere along the lines of 14 million a year…with Russia’s taxation, and lack of escrow…I mean, it would be haaaaaaaaard not to take that, head to Russia, and be a friggin hero over there. Especially if the best he can get over here is 8 million a year. Money talks…loudly.
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Ovechkin reportedly had a similar offer on the table that one time he was about to re-negotiate his contract with the Capitals. And yet he’s still here.
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For Ovechkin, I assume he can make a significantly larger chunk of money from endorsement deals in American than Kovalchuk can. So that could be part of it.
Also, part of it could be that at least Ovechkin knew what he had in the Capitals—the ownership, the talent around him, the city.
This is part of my ambivalence over Kovalchuk’s staying in the NHL or going to the KHL—it’s not just about the money he’s going to get, but what teams are going to offer it. He might be okay staying with New Jersey, but what money will they offer? And then what other teams are going to offer him $8 million a year? Possibly some bottom-feeders, but he’s had that for much of his career with Atlanta. Why not, in that case, head back to Russia for more money?
The Kings are a very interesting player in the whole game—will they offer Kovalchuk big money? And, in the interest of Sharks fans, will they instead make a big play for Marleau?
Unfortunately
I think the Kings will be a big player in those trying to sign Marleau. Which will be a disaster if he Selanne’s us every time he comes to town.
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I know this isn't realted, but...
there are signs that Calgary can’t keep Ian White. I think the Sharks should pursue this option…
I agree that White is a good D…. But not at 3-4 million per.
by skilletboy on Jun 8, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
SI insider has a rumor of keeping nabby, letting Marleau go.
let nabby go to Carolina, Dallas, Tampa, NYI, or whogivesashit.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 8, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
Have a link or copy of the story you can post?
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I'm not paying 40 bucks a year for rumors from SI.
That’s like paying for Eklund to give you a handy. TCY or someone on the pTB has the insider account though, methinks.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 8, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I think SI rumors and ESPN Insider
are so stupid. One day they say kovy is definitely doing to the KHL the next day they say he stays with no new information. Also they have posted that nabby/marleau will “most likely” be out of a sharks uniform next year only to contradict that the next day just because they asked thier mom about it. what a waste of money for people who pay not to mention its probably all completely useless
Just to be fair
SI’s rumors are free and generally just snippets from newspaper stories. ESPN’s rumors are the ones you have to pay for. Just taking a look at SI’s now, it appears the one you saw was actually on ESPN.
I think they are gonna go after Marty Turco but Nabokov could be a good fit there as well.
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With yzerman as the GM, it's all on which goalie he fears more.
I’d say nabby to Tampa would be where I put my 5 bucks in a pool. Anyone wanna start one?
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jun 8, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Tampa's certainly a good guess
But it’s going to be interesting to see how Yzerman—with Boucher as coach now—tries to remake that club. They’re going to have to do something about that defense, especially with Boucher’s system, so I could see them investing more money on the blueline than on goaltenders.
This also illustrates the problems Nabby might have in finding a good market for next year. Honestly, I think Tampa, Atlanta, NYI, St. Louis, and maaaaaaybe Washington and Philly are the only options he might have other than the Sharks.
Tampa does make a lot of sense. They were one good goalie away from making playoffs last season.
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I wonder if Smith will ever get healthy, I wouldn’t mind giving him a shot in SJ… Always liked him.
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What’s his contract like? Capgeek is blocked at work for me…
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Tampa probably makes the most sense out of that group.
I think Washington might also be a good fit for him, but it seems as if they are going to go with Neuvirth/Varlamov next year and not bring in a veteran goalie.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 8, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I also heard a rumor
That we’re resigning Nabby and that Marleau just bought a house in LA.
No source, but someone mentioned that housing is supposed to be public information and that the Marleau family bought a $7.8 M home in Beverly Hills.
However, that doesn’t seem to make much sense, even if Marleau did get an offer from LA and they’re just waiting to make it public, you wouldn’t just go out and immediately buy a house. I figure that even if they did buy a house, it’s probably unrelated.
by PNK on Jun 8, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
if Marleau goes to the Kings, I’m going to have to beat up Rudy.
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Maybe Blake is just giving the boys some good real estate info on Southern California.
Either way, I’m sort of giving up hope that the Sharks can get a “hometown discount” on Marleau because of the Kings’ presence. And if the Sharks do keep him, but have to bid pretty high, that will screw up a lot of our plans—with our without Nabby in the fold.
ha! was just bout to share the link too … don’t you have homework to do? :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
"It's getting harder and harder to differentiate between schizophrenics and people talking on a cell phone. It still brings me up short to walk by somebody who appears to be talking to themselves." -- Bob Newhart
summer school? camp? sheesh!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
"It's getting harder and harder to differentiate between schizophrenics and people talking on a cell phone. It still brings me up short to walk by somebody who appears to be talking to themselves." -- Bob Newhart
Just saw that myself
because I, on the other hand, HAVE been doing homework (quarter system). Working on my last final paper. But, I graduate on Saturday, w00t!
CONGRATS! :)
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
I can’t really see Marleau in the 90210…too awkward.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jun 9, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
While other teams are re-signing their players
the Sharks fans wait. Other than the 4 EL contracts signed in the past week, all is quiet.
Taylor Doherty (the really tall D-man) has the only sliding contract of the 4. Meaning we might see him play a few games in the NHL. Teach him the B~(&&^%(^*~lin/Pronger ways.
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Idea.
Ok, so if we get rid of Clowe for salary…and Couture stays on the third line. (This is assuming Pavs, Marleau, and Seto are all back)…then who will play w/ Pavelski and Setoguchi on the 2nd line?
I know I’ve proposed Lombardi, but what about Ray Whitney? Do you guys think at age 38, he’d take a 2.5-2.8M a year contract for 2 years? He started his career here and maybe he could finish it? He would also be a mentor for his young linemates as well as Couture, McGinn, McLaren, etc.
What do you guys think?
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Whitney could be good if we could get him for cheap.
Raffi Torres could be good, and we could probably get him for cheap, maybe no more than 2 million. He’s shown that he has the ability to score 20+ goals with good linemates, he likes to crash the net, and he’s good at hitting/forechecking. He’s actually a lot like Clowe; Torres’ hands probably aren’t as good, but i think he’s faster, and he likes to hang around the opposing teams net more. (something we never could seem to get Clowe to do)
Why wouldnt Couture play on the third line? Hes capable and that would save more salary for the blueline, which would be the whole reason for getting rid of clowe.
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I think that Mcginn/Maholtra/Couture could make for a nice 3rd line with a lot of scoring potential. Plus I kinda feel like our 2nd line could use a power forward of some kind since Seto, Pavs, and Couture wouldn’t be a very physically imposing line. I’m sure it would work either way though.
I think Setoguchi is the most physical player on that second line if Clowe isn’t there. That’s one aspect of Gooch’s game that I love. I get a kick outta seeing him double stiff arm someone along the boards on the forecheck. That being said, I completely agree that if Clowe is traded we need a more physical presence on that line, and maybe Malhotra (if he’s re-signed) can fill in that hole and we can get some physical third liner with some scoring potential to have three bonafide scoring lines.
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Torres would fit that description
Physical and can put up 20+ goals as I’ve heard…only problem is injuries…but he could be signed cheap :p
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