Free Agent Thread II
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HEYO!
We get that D-man yet?
'The good news is, there's a little more room in the penalty box; there's only five Sharks in there now.' -- Randy Hahn, VAN @ SJS 8 April 2010
a non-existent one
his cap hit: $0
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by serrapadre716 on Jul 1, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
so....
We signed slappy?
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, if they have virtual machines for computing...
…why not a virtual D-man with a $0 cap hit?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Niitty
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Like waving a pencil in Lincoln Tunnel.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Like throwing a chicklet down a halway
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Like eating a hamburger while hearding cows...
…oh, wait. it’s nothing like that.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
But
We dont’ have the nifty tracker at the top anymore
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
whohoo!! new thread! it’s like the season is on and the game is going or something..
what a long summer.
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General re-size FYI
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"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this thread have an SJ bound d-man in it?
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
NEW THREAD MOJO!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Can we tap into the power of Palin Mask to get Hamhuis?
or worse, corn?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really haha
Didn’t we abandon it after Game 1 of the Quarterfinals?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
I remember everyone was high on it and had it as their avatar before Game 1 started and when the game was over it was “ABORT ABORT ABORT.” Good times…
Here's my twitter
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I was glad to get rid of that thing and stick to my " soul of the enemy" dinners. Really odd thing was the Chicago dogs kept making me feel sick. It was like anti mojo.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Fear The Fin:
Where mojo memes goes to die.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Go* to die.
I fail.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for laughs, I looked at what Eklund said about Hamhuis and he thinks he'll go to Vancouver or San Jose.
So that means we won’t be getting him.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
LeBrun said we were in on it, and that was good enough for me.
But it seemed like a bit of a long shot.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol
Wyshynski:
Nabby and Turco both on the market, both thinking their poop smelled better than it did.
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
haha, Philly would keep stockin’ them up, wouldnt they
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
RUMOR: Biedrins from Warriors and Sandoval from Giants for Dan Hamhuis of the preds
this deal was just concocted by DW and Chris Cohan (warriors owner) to help Bay Area’s sports stop disappointing it’s fans…..stay tuned to the dependable ESPN news
Which reminds me, the Bay Area SBnation kick-off party is tonight - yeah?
After today, I could use a few free drinks
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We didn't get free drinks at the Phoenix one
But if the chick withg the dark hair is there, fuckin hook me up.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Check the fan shots
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope we get Lebron.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
He'd put us over the cap, though.
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.
Not if DW pays him $997M to mow his lawn.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
He'd totally be worth it though.
Just think.. on a GOOD game our forwards get about 2-3 points, right? LeBron averages 30 points a game. I say add San Jose to the list of teams going for him =P
To continue the discussion on Toronto and why they’d be interested in Hamhuis: They’ve traded for Versteeg, Mike Brown, and signed Colby Armstrong. Getting Hamhuis allows them to Kaberle and other D-man for more forwards. Burke likes to trade.
I’m still praying that it’s not DW who he ends up raping in a trade for Kaberle. I can just see Clowe plus 2 high draft picks for Kaberle happening.
I think Burke overpaid for Colby Armstrong, but then I look to Boogaard to he Rangers. 4 years at $1.65 million? They still can’t sign Marc Staal, their best defender, and they sign a player who’s scored 14 points in his NHL career. hahaha
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Soooooooo
Trade targets. Anyone?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Vancouver has had a good day.
Taking players we liked and wanted and such.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ballard, Hamhuis and Manny are good additions, though Manny was overpaid.
Their forecheck is going to be a bitch.
So was Hamhuis!
Not worth 4.5 in my opinion
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Sounds like the Canucks are setting themselves up for our current situation, cap-wise, or the Hawks situation. On the latter, was signing Brian Campbell worth having to trade two playoff-producing forwards (Byfuglien and Versteeg)?
Brent Sopel marched in the Pride Parade with the Stanley Cup
Your argument is invalid
/slight sarcasm
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
You probably already see this, but compare Campbell’s contributions in their Cup run to the guys they’ve had to trade. That had to hurt, is the point.
He is overpayed for a #3 d-man
But he overall helped them get there. The Most Holy Grail will make them philosophical about the whole thing.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Right. But that albatross of a contract isn’t done messing with their salary structure yet. What if they have to let Seabrook go? It’s made it harder for them to reload and make another push.
In the end I think they’ll be able to trade Campbell and Hossa when they eventually need to create more cap room for Seabrook.
That’s like 15 mill in cap space right there. Plus Huet is gone after this year, and he may ultimately be bought out or sent to Europe this year, or stashed in the minors. If teams like the Rangers can continually find ways to stay cap compliant during a season, I’m sure a smart guy like Bowman can figure out how to keep the team a contender. And if he needs any help, his dad is in the next room.
I’m not so sure about Campbell. Hossa could be traded, as his cap hit is much easier to digest.
The Rangers are a good example of how these signing end up multiplying your woes. The Rangers keep their heads above water, barely, but need to overpay to get free agents to play for them, and have to give up too much when they inevitably have to trade the bad contracts.
For sure
And I can’t be arsed to care, because F*** them! But hey, they have a Cup, they can milk that for YEARS.
Plus, Campbell doesn’t suck. With him, Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith locked up long term, they’re never NOT going to at least contend.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
For sure. I’d rather be a Ducks fan with a Cup banner and watch my team miss the playoffs than a Sharks fan (which I, doh, am through and through) where I have to comfort myself with “it’s a process, it’s a process, it’s a process” year in and year out.
Take it easy
We’ll have our turn eventually for the cup. This team is still very young, and with the right adjustments in youth and talent we’ll be able to get it. Hockey isn’t just about winning the cup, but about the games leading up to it.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, hopefully. You have to admit, though, that it sucks watching the Ducks and now Hawks go from laughingstocks to Cup winners WHILE WE’VE BEEN CONTENDERS.
We have good players and good management (despite the histrionic wrist-slitting going on here today). So we’re better off than a lot of teams. But still.
Honestly it hurts that we lost, not that other teams got their turn. All the teams have the same goal in mind, and only one a year gets that chance. Instead of kicking rocks try thinking of it as another year to try again.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think all Sharks fans who saw those past playoff games would hate them also. I hate Calgary because that was the year my dad took me to my very first playoff game. It was against the Avs at the time.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Most defensemen are overpaid now though. Very few are actually worth their big contracts in terms of value. Not many Pronger/Lidstrom’s out there.
The good news is that this year’s FA market is going to substantially raise Seabrook’s price for Chicago. They might have trouble keeping him if they can’t get him to agree to a long-term, cap friendly deal.
anyone surprised?
Like I been saying guys – DW is done with Wallin’s signing.
Time to call it a day.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
According to Dimitry Chesnokov, Volchenkov to NJ is a done deal.
6 year deal, financial terms not yet.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM PDT reply actions
But for who?
Kaberle?
This is ridiculous. Watch for DW to pull his cliche “the roster is complete on trade deadline day”.
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Well at least the games will be high scoring.
Don’t expect the d to be a factor.
by U Guys R Good on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel bad for Boyle
He’s probably checking updates and rubbing his temple. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to once again register more than 20min a night trying to do it all for what appears to be a shoddy SJ d-core with Niitty Gangstah between the pipes.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It would also be nice if our forwards back-checked a bit more
But alas…
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Ha, when Jumbo turns the puck over he likes to jump off the ice
(totally forgot what game that was, but I remember being really really ticked)
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh!!
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
looking forward to the financial terms
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hearing 4.5 million/year
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Word is Hamhuis took $4.5 per season
I wonder how much we were offering…but I guess you can’t do much when there’s an appealing hometown situation to contend with.
If not the trade market, who else is out there that could be a good fit in SJ?
Leopold? Grebeshkov? Mitchell?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
That’s about it. None of those will significantly improve our D – we’ll still be quite a ways from where we were even last season.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Damn.
Anyone in the trade market who would improve our D? Opinions on Bieksa seem mixed, at best.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
We COULD take the approach Phoenix did last year and just hoard up a bunch of solid veteran castoffs who can be signed on the cheap.
Derek Morris, Leopold, Andy Sutton etc. Those guys might get lost in the shuffle of today and be able to be signed for a combined price of what it would have cost to get Volchenkov, Martin, Gonchar or Hamhuis.
Sadly I don’t expect DW to do such a thing. Because he seems to think Wallin and Huskins are answers.
Morris already resigned with Phoenix,.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 1, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Leopold is at best a #4 defenseman. He’s better in sheltered minutes, and would just create a logjam in that 3rd pairing with Huskins and Demers.
Mitchell I like, but don’t know how much stock to put into his concussion issues.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
DW's Strateegery
Let the rest of the league gorge themselves on FA, big money deals and put themselves into cap hell…then swoop in and make a raping trade. Take it to the bank…
Hey – DW can always trade for Brian Campbell. Stanley Cup winner and all. “He’s the guy we always wanted”.
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This is just great
Not only will we not have a playoff worthy defense, but with Malhotra gone, our 3rd and 4th lines are gonna be absolute crap. This is gonna be a long season.
that's what i was thinking
4 quality centers, thornton, pavelski, couture, nichol
just need to worry about the D
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by serrapadre716 on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What's up with Willie Mitchell??
I like him about as much as Martin. If we can sign Willie Mitchell i’ll forget about all this Wallin/Niittymaki overpayment crap.
Health concerns
Dude’s coming off of a serious brain blow
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Agreed
I watched a lot of the Oilers and Souray was only good for his blast from the point, which he rarely used except on the PP and when he did it often went wide or was blocked.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So he’s like a suckier version of Blake without the defense.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Well, at least we didn't sign Olli Jokinen.
And Chris Mason got signed by the Thrashers, where does that leave Turco and Nabby?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
On the golf course?
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Mason’s deal in ATL is $3.7M for 2 years.
DW might have rushed with Nittymaki a bit.
I’d preferred Mason for that kind of money.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
As I mentioned in the last thread
It worries me a bit that the Niitty camp said DW was their first call and it was a done deal.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh. I’m sure he would have overpayed Mason more than 4 mill over 2 years. Mason is old and sucks. At least Niittymaki might have some upside. Mason isn’t going anywhere but down and his playoff record is awful. 1-8. With tons of goals allowed. Many to the Sharks.
Nabby to NYI?
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
They have Roloson for another year, and I don't think they gave up on DiPietro..yet.
Could be an interesting fit though.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy crap
I think it’s time they do. Give up on Ricky D that is….
BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."
Nabby deserves better. Not the Isles.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The Isles have a lot of young talent…they could be good in a hurry if their kids develop defensively.
Just so many issues surrounding the organization and whether a new arena will be built, whether they’re staying in Long island. IMO, Isles still have at least 3 years before they can actually be considered a contender. Nabby will be to old then. :(
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It might be a good move for Nabby to go to the KHL.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention they still have the albatrosses of Yashin and DIpietro deals weighing them down.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Volchenkov’s cap hit is $4.5M.
I think I’m done with hockey.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Apparently
Volchenkov is not signing with Devils!
Put away your razor baldes!
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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Source
http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
HAHAHA
Next tweet is the financial terms.
Oh I need a drink!
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I think he meant that he has a no trade clause, not that there’s no trade.
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Fools and Sages
you beat me to it
but yeah, people need to complete their sentences. i read it wrong the first time too.
NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Dan Ellis
of course it’s not a trade. it’s a UFA signing.
his agent already confirmed.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
hahaha it's the off-season and the first day of free agency
and you’re already lamenting about the 2011 playoffs? awesome.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Poop rainbows. Take some anti depression pills and just float on the happy i guess….
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just pointing out that at this point, there's not a lot of options for Turco or nabby. If you look at it, the only viable options for either would be:
Carolina, Edmonton, NY Isles, OTT, or WASH.
And with those, one may already trust their starter ( Cam Ward in CAR), and cap questions are abound.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions
But seriously
This would be a good situation I think for him. Legit contender, and he could “mentor” Varlamov. He just has to accept a paycut, which may have already been decided with the scarcity of jobs it seems.
NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Dan Ellis
I thought the Caps would be noisy looking for a 2nd line center today.
I agree, Nabby would fit in well in Washington. Varly is still fighting occasional inconsistency issues, and Neuvirth could still use more seasoning in the AHL.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
IRBE IS THEIR GOALTENDING COACH.
Nabby would fit in nicely.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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Trade target: Pittsburgh
The Pens really solidified their back end today—but they’re REALLY weak on the wing. How about a Clowe/Seto + Huskins trade for Goligoski or Letang?
I’ll take Demers over Goligoski. Letang is a good option though.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
I doubt they would bite on that.
They signed those guys to solidify the blue line in addition to Goligoski and Letang. But who knows, DW could pull something off.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pens won’t trade Letang, now that he’s their only D-man capable of putting a puck on net—- at least most of the time.
They’re likely going to put Staal and Malkin together, and put Letetsu centering the 3rd line.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. The Penguins are my other NHL team besides the Sharks (one I rooted for before we even got a team here). Kunitz should be healthy for this year. Cooke got resigned. They might be able to resign Guerin for cheap. Tangradi, Jeffrey and Johnson will probably get some time on the checking lines this year. They have 3 great pivots, so they’re going to be fine regardless of who is playing on the wings. And Staal can be used on the 2nd line if they want.
Maybe SJ needs to come up with a DVD touting the area
to attract FA’s to the area.
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NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Dan Ellis
“and if you have friends at Google, you can always go there for free lunch!”
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
"We have YOUTUBE!"
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If you need to sell anything, eBay is just a few miles away!
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
That IS how the Raiders got Jason Campbell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzkoeyhAAdk
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAH LOL
and on your right is GREAT AMERICA!!! its…………GREAT!!!!! moving on….. (sheesh lame ass park!)
We have adobe!
We can photoshop all your “photos” for free!
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Bleeding teal since 1997
Has Hjarlmasson signed yet?
If not, do the Sharks have the picks to sign him to an offer sheet? I’m grabbing at straws here.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions
I doubt DW ever gives a RFA an offer sheet
More likely he’d sign an outside UFA to a 6 year deal. Cold day in hell before either happens.
& we may have already surpassed our Swedish blueliner quota of "1"
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So which teams have the salary cap room to fit Kovalchuk?
I thought he’d be signed to a team by now.
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Any word on Pavel Kubina????
I think him and Danny Boyle would make a great defensive pair
I want Kubina now.
But I’d put him with Pickles.
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I REALLY need to get work done
It’s almost 2pm and I’ve been stuck checking updates for the last couple hours
UGH
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
Watch out – looks like big news coming up in LA.
As if today can’t get any worse.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Mike Modano will be a Shark.
It has to be the only reason we haven’t heard from DW. They’re both cuddling in a hotel bed right now, spooning at the thought of holding hands in the underbelly of HP Pavilion.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
kuklaskorner:
RT @gregbrady71: On Mike Modano – DRW may have to offer 2yr deal. Modano has at least 5 attractive pitches …
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
Vonchenkov ! Vonchenkov ! Vonchenkov !
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
With the Devils..
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 1, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What?`
How did I miss that. Dammit.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
whos that
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I’m new here, so I’ve held off being overly negative, because I know that looks bad to just join and be a dick, BUT…I declare today the day Doug Wilson officially turned the Sharks into the Giants, neglecting to spend the money to address their biggest need of the past several years.
I know a trade will make me look like a dick, and I’m ok with that. But right now, this really is pretty weak. Lord knows the bay area needs another team that is full of excuses for their questionable salary allocations.
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He's done this on Free Agency before.
He prefers to make moves in the trade market. It looks gloomy, but I think it’s too early to declare the sky to be falling.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying the sky is falling, and like I said, I’d like to look like the dick, but neglecting free agency year after year is bull, especially when you give sweetheart deals to cover your own questionable trades (huskins, wallin)
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I agree, I question why he hasn't made a move in free agency now.
I have a feeling he has a move for some defenseman in mind, though.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This should scare people though
DW’s trades for defensemen in the past have been awful. Rivet was terrible. Campbell was terrible. Boyle is good but not so great in his own end. He always trades for people who are offensive minded and who struggle to defend. If there’s anything the Sharks DON’T need, it’s another puck moving D-Man who can’t protect the back end. We need stay at home guys. I really fear we’re going to trade for Kaberle or something dumb like that.
I really hope DW does trade for Kaberle at this point. We need him.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Error?
I hear Vancouver has a lot of d-men.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I don’t want Ehrhoff back. I’d rather try and get Bieksa from them.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We've traded for D-men who made us better.
Rivet was an upgrade for us at the time, given how young the d-corp was with Carle, Gorges, Vlasic and the like.
Brian Campbell was the best player available at the deadline the year we got him, and we went undefeated to finish the regular season.
Dan Boyle makes our offense run. It’s why Todd McLellan played him so damn much last season, which was part of the problem.
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bullcocky.
It’s never too early! YAAAYYY!!!! NItty’s shitty masks! YAAAAY!!!!!
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Nitty is ok with me if we would shore up the D…you know…like every goddamn observer of this team thinks is necessary.
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Shore them up with what?
Snipers in the stands? Apparently, that’s all we can afford.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If you get outbid for a free agent
That’s equal parts bad luck and bad cap management. It’s early to say he’s done nothing. You hear nothing about the offers that weren’t accepted. But Wilson has actively stated he’s exploring trades. I don’t know how much more we can ask of him other than to magically make one of the big name FAs sign with us for the money he offered them.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I totally just figured out DW's next move.
Chris Chelios.
He’s super old.
Cup Experience.
Friend of DW’s from Chicago.
He’s super super old.
Playoff experience.
He plays D.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
were saving our money for Sheldon Souray’s gigantic cap hit I’m guessing, which at this point I’d welcome unfortunately.
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DO NOT WANT.
We just got rid of the slow old guy with the big shot that always took penalties. We’re not the Flames here, people.
I’m being tongue and cheeky here, although I’d be an upgrade over everyone but Boyle and Vlasic at this point, I believe
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I meant to say “it” instead of “I’d” in regards to Souray, but at this point who knows…
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Yes, we're the Sharks.
And with Blake gone, we have a whole room of unused Ben Gay. We need our token geezer who was great 20 years ago, but sucks balls now.
Bring on Cheli’s Chili! WOOOOO!
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would ask you sign people with a long term view of team structure, and not short term cap hits like Wallin, Huskins, and Clowe that hinder your maneuverability.
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Signings like, say
Marleau, Pavelski and Boyle? Plus the term for a guy like Heatley? In addition, he has a glut of young players coming up from Worcester, all of whom can compete for roster spots now and in the future?
Wilson has stated time and again he doesn’t believe in front-loaded contracts, and his history shows he likes deals of 3-4 years, giving him, what he believes, to be maximum maneuverability. And we’ve been active at every trade deadline. I don’t know how upset we can be with a contract like Clowe. For his skillset, the numbers are right. Him not always living up to them is a coaching issue more than a management issue.
Wallin and Huskins have been discussed ad nauseum, so, no need to beat that dead horse.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Yeah, I’m not a fan of the Pavelski signing for that reason, although I know thats blasphemous around here.
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Because it’s only 4 years? Should we have given him 12 with an NMC or something?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yeah, I’d rather his money have gone towards aggressively going after a D man. Doesn’t mean I hate him.
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Yeah, that’s blasphemy.
No offense intended but I’m done thinking you have input that I would personally value.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Haha fair enough, I know, don’t upset the regulars with crazy desires to upgrade defense at the expense of a fan favorite.
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Screw fan favorites, I was all for shipping out Nabokov and Cheechoo. I take issue with not signing excellent young players that will be nothing but a benefit to the team for years to come to very reasonable contracts. 4M for his skillset is amazing, it has nothing to do with him being the Big Pavelski.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I still think they should trade Thornton, and should have let Marleau walk and build around Pavelski. We don’t need 100 point scorers to win games and win in the postseason. Especially since those scorers haven’t done enough in the posteason to warrant building around.
I’d rather build around Pavs, Seto, Clowe, Couture, and build up an awesome D. With all the goaltending depth we have, we’ll be fine there and if we actually tried to stockpile picks we could easily develop more scoring depth quickly. But instead DW likes to trade picks away like candy for big name players who aren’t necessarily always good moves.
I’m sorry, but if the current incarnation of Joe Pavelski is the best forward on your team, and you don’t have 5 other guys as good as him, you aren’t making the playoffs; you become the Minnesota Wild.
It’s true. No way we’d get anywhere close to equal value for him.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Look what we gave up for Heatley. Look at what NJ gave up for Kovy. Look what Toronto gave up for Phaneuf.
You won’t get anything worth while back.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
The Atlanta Thrashers dealt their captain, an impending free agent, to the Devils on Thursday night for a package that includes defenseman Johnny Oduya, rookie forward Niclas Bergfors, junior prospect Patrice Cormier and New Jersey’s first-round pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft.
Cormier if you remember was the player suspended from juniors for the rest of the year for cheapshotting a dude in the head.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Looks like a bunch of blah players and a late 1st round pick for one of the top scorers in the league.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Not a fan of trading top tier talent
for role players. All in all for Atlanta it was a good deal in the sense that it helps them fill out a team for years vs hangin on to Kovy for last half of a season.
They win this trade since they actually got something back and they weren’t going to challenge for the Cup w/ Kovy
Sharks are in a different situation, there is no way that trading Thornton for role players works for a team with Cup or bust aspirations
They also swapped 2nds with ATL
i.e., NJ got ATL’s 2nd and ATL got NJ’s 2nd.
As awesome as Pavs is
And awesome his is. He is a very good 2nd line center, but not a great 1st line center.
stockpiling picks is great and all. But if you want a cup this year they are useless. I don’t mind if we have to suck ass for a couple of years later if we get the Cup this year.
That seems like a very pessimistic view…especially on July 1, when there’s still months of offseason left to shape the team…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How is it pessimistic? I’m being realistic of our chances. We have lost a good netminder, lost a HOF level defenseman to retirement.
This team isn’t getting any younger. Yeah we’ll have an awesome top line that will score again, and continued development from Seto, Pavs, Clowe hopefully, and shiny new Couture. But our D-Line isn’t going to be pretty and that’s even with a new addition that’s likely to come via trade. Does anyone really think Greiss or Nitty are going to pull a Hiller (who didn’t get out of the 2nd round mind you, Anderson, didn’t get out of the first) or Niemi?
Doug Wilson is forgetting a big component to why those goalies looked so good in the playoffs, 2 of those teams had an ELITE defensive corp. And while Colorado didn’t have Pronger or Keith etc, they still played pretty sound defensive hockey and were really good at blocking shots. Something we don’t have. And all 3 teams also happened to play the Sharks in the postseason, a team that notoriously finds ways to not put the puck in the net against big butterfly goaltenders. Mostly because they never put anybody in front of the net.
We lost a 40 year old defensemen who due to play 10 years ago is going to be a HoF’er. He was never even close to a hall of fame player while playing on the Sharks.
I don’t think our net situation is any worse this year really and we’re not even done yet.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Sure Blake wasn’t what he was in Colorado, but he was a very steady presence on the back end. Wallin isn’t a replacement.
So steady we nicknamed him Captain Hook.
And constantly cried that his 3.5 was a vast overpayment for his aging services.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
He showed in the playoffs did he not? Yeah, the hooking penalties happened when he got caught out of position, he can’t skate like Niedermeyer. 3.5 was not an overpayment though.
Dude whatever
Like E.D. we haven’t gotten any worse really, and there is plenty of time to make moves.
You also forget that the team that beat us in the WCF is not going to be nearly as deep this year. Vancouver is going to be the team to beat this year, and I think we could handle them.
Of course I am still for gettting a #2 DMan.
We are still contenders.
We haven't gotten better either
Chicago has lost depth, but they’re still the team to beat. Until we can match up with their skill, speed and have a shutdown defensive pairing like Keith and Seabrook then maybe we can talk about being true contenders.
You’re also forgetting about Detroit. They’re going to be well rested now after 3 years of grueling playoff battles. They also are getting Hudler back and have a little bit of room to make some more moves.
The Canucks have gotten better and have plenty of D-men at present to make some trades to add more scoring depth. They also have some talented youngsters in the minors that could make an impact in the NHL, or be used as trade bait to get more help. This is something the Sharks don’t have.
Colorado is going to be better as well. LA is going to better too.
We’ll contend sure, but we’re not going to be winning a cup.
You’re basing this on our roster as of July 1st. Somehow only these other teams can still make moves? Somehow for the first time in Shark history Doug Wilson won’t make moves?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Cheese & Rice
Thanks for that pearl of wisdom, Miss Cleo.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
I think this is a horrible idea
reasons have been covered by others.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Agreeing with ED here…too lazy to post links about the arguments in the past about this. They’re there though.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I could understand the sentiment if it was directed towards letting marleau walk and using that monsterous amount of Cap room on the defense….but Pavelski is the future of this team, you don’t let him walk…ever.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta side with Evilducks here
Pavelski is easily worth $4.5-$5M on the open market.
Second line center, who can play top line minutes, good on faceoffs, can play the PK, natural playmaker should NOT be signed?
I know we need D, but you don’t chop off your right arm because you broke your left…
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Yeah
Real_ESPNLeBrun: “Foster was second-highest scoring blue-liner in UFA group behind Gonchar”
Foster would have looked good in teal, and I’m sure he would have opted for SJ over Edmonton if that were on the table – if not for the Torrey drama
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jokinen to Calgary is true
Lynch mob officially forming on the Red Mile.
"Playing Detroit in the playoffs is like paying your taxes. You either pay now or pay later." - Suisun Dan
Whoops
Forogt the source:
http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/17519456251
"Playing Detroit in the playoffs is like paying your taxes. You either pay now or pay later." - Suisun Dan
If I was Olli
I would have told them to piss the fuck off. That’s just me though.
BERTUZZI: "Getting tired, Nabby? You've got another five and a half minutes of hell coming."
NABOKOV: "You've got another five and a half minutes left in your season."
Wait....does this mean when we stomp on a team we can call them "Nittylitter"?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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by Noctro on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone design a NITTYLITTER shirt!
Stat!
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 to anyone wearing it to the season opener!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
OT
Checking out the Bay Area SB Nation page, I noticed that neither Plank or Grant from McCovey Chronicles aren’t authors on the new page. In fact both McCovey Chronicles and Fear The Fin aren’t represented by writers. MCC and FTF the black sheep of the Bay Area.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Until the A's and Niners move to the South Bay
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The Vancouver Canucks have verbally agreed to terms with defenseman Dan Hamhuis on a $27 million, six-year contract
I live in the hills so the internet takes longer to get to me as it works against gravity.
by D Dawg on Jul 1, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Chicago is still breaking up their Cup winning team. Just sent Andrew Ladd to Atlanta.
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by 408SharksFinatic on Jul 1, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
I'm glad Atlanta keeps picking people up
But dammit, Chris Mason as their 1-A goalie? Sure, it’s better than Hedberg, but I guess I was spoiled living in the Bay Area.
Should’ve landed Nabokov…
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Oh, Rick Dudley that bastard
Essentially traded away Lehtonen to Dallas for Andrew Ladd.
Why does he keep trading away prospects!!!
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"Go Sharks!" -Me
Could be worse...
…you could be on GoogleWiFi. I swear my28.8 modem was faster.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I need a drink…and a roadmap…what’s the best we can hope for?…..Willie M?
We just traded who for who?!
People are hinting that maybe Ehrhoff's time in Vancouver is over with the arrival of Hamhuis
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Doubt it.
He was huge for them on their PP. But Hamhuis is a PP guy too. Who knows.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Nah
Error is a god in ’Couver
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Surprising
I was surprised how well he was playing there. I actually saw him get a couple of shots on net.
Kings are about to announce something big.
Oh well. At least we’ll see Kovy on a regular basis.
Fear the Fin - all Evgeni, all the time.
Just not in the playoffs
Would be a poor move on the Kings’ part. Yeah, he’s great. But I’ve seen him quite a bit in Atlanta. Arguably the best shot in the league. But absolutely pathetic when it comes to defense. He also tends to clog up the salary.
He’s like a slightly less rich man’s Ovechkin. Just not as good….
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"Go Sharks!" -Me
Hamburgers
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol is that Dexter as your pic?
We could always send him after our opponent’s defensive core.
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"Go Sharks!" -Me
Apparently not a signing.
Drew: Fill in the blank: "When I'm on the ice with Douglas Murray, I..."
Nabby: Poop yourself.
Leopold off the board
Sabres 3 year deal
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Interesting.
I guess that leaves Kubina and Willie Mitchell free agent wise.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still a big supporter of going after Mitchell
Price has to have dropped considering injury.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I can't say I know much about him.
But people seem pretty high on him. especially since he will be much cheaper.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell would be a nice pickup. Have no faith in DW to actually sign a FA, though. He seems to only like signing his own.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I am disappointed by DW, do you think there's he's at a disadvantage?
I mean unfortunately in the media, the Sharks are labeled as “chokers” (a word which has pretty much lost its meaning) and “disappointments”.
Plus, considering they’re a “newer” team, there’s that lack of “I was a huge fan when I was a kid, so I’ll take a slight discount” (at least for a few more years) ala Hamhuis.
I’m not trying to make excuses for DW (okay, actually I sort of am), but that seems to have been an issue for quite some time. For example, Vancouver is not as good as San Jose, but I have a feeling that most people would rather sign with the "Nucks, even if SJ offers more money.
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"Go Sharks!" -Me
Sometimes, you just get outbid
Dany Heatley WANTED to come here. Manny Malhotra originally took less money to come here (and earned himself a big payday by doing so). But sometimes, another team comes along and offers more money. Whatcha gonna do?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I don’t think the choker thing matters, no. But I’ve never understood why the Sharks aren’t an attractive destination for free-agents.
Yeah, didn't think that choker stuff really mattered to players
But I was just trying to figure out why it happens rather consistently. Sure, Heatley and Malhotra wanted to come here, but the general lack (or, more accurately, COMPLETE lack) of big FA signings is baffling.
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"Go Sharks!" -Me
Wilson's really reluctant to give lengthy tems, I think
For a lot of guys, the difference between a 4 year deal and a 6 year deal (on likely your biggest contract of your career) is important. Look at Marleau—even with one of our own, Wilson went with 4 years.
I believe he doesn't offer long/backloaded contracts
because it’s not in the spirit of the CBA
…
At least, that’s what I read regarding DW (don’t recall when/where)
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He actually does backloaded contracts all the time, just never really longer than 4 years.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Yeah, but that's not exactly backloading
It’s like “See your contract in a few years!”
Not Pronger-like “I’m cheating the salary cap, but you can’t do anything about it because I will STOMP YOU!”
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
I think Swisher meant front-loaded contracts. But the main point of Wilson’s backloaded contracts is that the increased salary comes with expected increases in level of play. (See Vlasic’s contract, as an example. He’s definitely going to be expected to do more towards the end of his contract as he gets paid more.)
In the case of Hossa and Zetterberg, to use the most egregious examples, the end of the contract is tacked on solely for the purpose of lowering the cap hit. It essentially allows teams to give out a contract with what will end up being a average annual value of let’s say $6M for $5M.
Yeah, that’s what I figured. I was just being fun and overly picky.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Niitty-picker
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
Yes. That.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe he doesn't offer long/backloaded contracts
because it’s not in the spirit of the CBA
…
At least, that’s what I read regarding DW (don’t recall when/where)
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My connection is wonky
I think it’s a sign that I should step away and be productive, or something
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're right
Not sure what I think of that. Apparently he’s a more upstanding person than most other GMs. Does that mean much to fans?
Despite my random outbursts....
…DW has yet to be really show us excessively poor judgement. The system he and his scouts use is secont to none compared with most of the other GMs. He’s optimized his setup around the post-lockout Cap, and, in all fairness, he’s done very well with it.
Sometimes I’m just surprised with whom his targets tend to be.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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Um..."second to none"
(shit. I can’t blame my iPhone for that typo.)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
You know what's funny?
Reading Eklunds twitter for the day. All of his rumors are never even close.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
For example
Dan Ellis could still sign in Montreal, Atlanta, or Philadelphia (5 hours ago)
Ellis to Philly…. Close (4 hours ago)
Ellis to Tampa e5 (3 hours ago) Trade had already been announced. Never once did he even mention Tampa. The rest go this way to.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
What’s that e3/e5 stuff about? Is that the likely hood of the rumor being true based on a scale of 1-5 or something?
He said the Sharks were in on Michalek.
That was the kiss of the death for today, it seems.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OK how sick would it be if we could make this roster happen??
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) / * Mike Modano ($1.500m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Willie Mitchell ($4.000m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / * Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.668m; CAP ROOM: $0.662m BONUSES: $0.930m
What would be better for us at this point? Obviously pre-Wallin, pre-Niittymaki we could’ve had better rosters but this seems extremely good considering the situation we’re in.
Pre-Nitty?
We always assumed goalies would cost us 2M
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Well i dunno what he was referring to but maybe his “sicker” roster included a better goaltender at the same price.
I assume Clowe and Murray and Huskins went to TOR for Kaberle for your roster? Seems like overpayment to me…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If it makes that roster happen who cares if its over payment
get them to chuck us a 3rd or 4th round pick or two
Might be a salary dump for picks in there somewhere. I also have a hard time believing they take 2 defensemen.
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Well i don’t know how the trades would shake out, i woudl hope DW could get better vlaue for those players than that, but just for arguements sake we can just pretend that that is the trade.
I like the roster you posted. I think it’s competitive. Is Mitchell really an upgrade over Murray next to Boyle, though? And that seems like an overpayment for him. It’s definately a competitive roster, though.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell is a proven top line defensemen
That was Vancouver’s big whine during the playoffs. They had lost their #1 guy to injury.
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I think Mitchell is a huge upgrade over Murray. He’s a better skater, he’s much better with his stick and equally as good in the hitting department, if not better when it comes to open ice hits (probably dude to better skating ability).
I just don’t know all that much about him. People seem rather high on him, so that would be cool if he’s actually an upgrade to the blueline.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't Mitchell be had for cheaper?
Considering he came off an injury and all.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not ever going to be behind trading Murray. can’t do it.
And what’s the advice (Murray’s grandfather, Lars [Lasse] Bjorn) gives him?
"Hit more people."
If he could somehow revolutionize his skating stride
He would increase his value to the team exponentially. That and raise his offensive game from below average to above average
It's alright...
Modano would just be cool. Though I doubt he’d sign here, mainly because we’re a rival with the Stars.
Kaberle? Please… no. There’s a reason why Toronto can’t move him. Mainly, it’s the expensive part. But, no please… please?
And Mitchell at $4M seems like a little too much.
Ferriero, McGinn, Mitchell, and McLaren are in the NHL next year pretty much no matter what (the way I see it). Unfortuantely, we missed out on the big names.
Would loved to have Volchenkov or Martin or Hamhuis at the rates they were signed though… dammit.
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Kaberle is signed for 4.25 million…that’s not expensive for a D man of his caliber.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, i’d normally be pretty depressed after all the opportunities missed today but just know that this roster makes me happy. We’d seriously have some of the best defense pairings in the league with this roster imo. We’d also still have at least equal offense; although i expect big improvements from Mcginn, Couture, Heatley, Seto, and Mitchell. So really we SHOULD have better offense than last year as well.
PLEASE DW stop screwin with us and Sign Willie Mitchell, trade Clowe for Kaberle, and work on signing Modano!
In some ways I'm ok with no serious signings today.
Pretty much every dman signing today has had a ridiculously long term IMO. Especially for the Sharks who have some guys in the system who will be competing for top 4 spots. Let’s say that the Sharks did sign one of Hamhuis or Martin. (I’m going to ignore Volchenkov, because despite Ivano M.’s post yesterday, he has shown pretty much zero ability to move the puck at the NHL level.)
I sure as hell don’t want anyone signing for 5 or 6 years at $5M+. In 2-3 years, guys like Doherty, Wrenn, and maybe some of the guys in Worcester will be ready for time in the NHL.
Suppose the Sharks did sign someone for $5M for 5 or 6 years. In a couple years, there will be at least 3 new dmen that will have earned spots on the Sharks blueline. (Moore is definitely in SJ in 2011-12, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see two other guys make it by then too.) At that point you’d have Boyle, Vlasic, Murray, FA signee, and 3 new guys, who probably should be earning spots in the NHL. As they come to RFA, we’ll be wondering why we’re then trading Vlasic away for peanuts to get the cap space necessary to re-sign the younger guys, when we would have just been better off not signing some UFA to a ridiculously large contract, that becomes an overypayment as they exit the prime of their careers, especially for defensemen like Volchenkov that are dependent on their physical abilities more so than smarts.
It’s always better to have too many assets than too few assets. I’m really not excited about waiting on the blueline until some kids may or may not pan out. That’s how a franchise goes from contenders to pretenders really quickly.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is exactly why today is disappointing
We needed some key upgrades to just continue to contend. No doubt DW will pull of some brilliant trade (Boyle, Heatley… I wonder who’s next) but I’m not sure if that’s going to be enough.
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I’m disappointed, I think we needed a D man as well. But DW has a plan. I’m not going to be too critical (just a little critical) until I see the final product.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
As fans we all know windows of opportunity close so quickly. Obviously management knows this too, but sometimes I fear management puts too much stock in saying “once so and so gets here” as opposed to “IF so and so gets here AND is effective.” Its elementary and obvious, and yet, sometimes it seems to be such a fleeting philosophy. I’m not even directly this specifically at the Sharks, who in the past I know have executed great trades for good value.
That said, it is my concern that this team is going to spend too much time waiting for that blue line help, and if/ when it gets here, its going to be too late. I don’t know this is true, but I know its worth fearing. Its why I’m so disappointed.
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Your first sentence is a truism
But in 5 years, none of these free agent signings are going to be assets. They’re going to be liabilities that are preventing the Sharks from re-signing their younger better players.
The question isn’t sign a good UFA this year or wait for a kid next year. It’s sign a UFA this year for 6 years and not be able to re-sign the kid, who’s probably better than the UFA by then, in 4 years.
The typical arugment against this is that the window is closing is way overused by sports fans. It was used to justify rental trades (which are pretty much always bad in terms of value). The Sharks sure could use a Josh Gorges around now and a couple of blue chip defensive prospects around now. There really is no fixed window. With good management, a team can transition rosters quite effectively. Both Pavelski and Setoguchi have very high ceilings, especially Seto. I can see them developing into good first liners in 4 years. By then Couture, and some combination of McGinn, Ferriero, Mashinter, etc. should be doing well on the 2nd line. Someone in the system should make a good 3rd line checking center. At some point you have to trust the system will give you good results.
Basically, in reading this, you are saying we should give up the next few seasons and wait for our kids to develop…and hope they all pan out. That’s really all I see here. This sounds like a terrible strategy…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No I’m saying that you shouldn’t be signing 29 year old mid-level UFA’s for 6 years at their peak value because they are going to end up making you let got of someone who would have been better and cheaper. I would have no problem with any of these contracts if they had been for 4 years or less. But unless you expect the Sharks’ developmental system to suddenly turn into crap, it’s pretty much a guarantee a long term UFA signing is going to screw you in the future. If it were up to me I’d trade Clowe for a decent dman that isn’t signed to a ridiculous contract if we can’t get Kubina for a decent cap hit at a decent term. The typical argument used to justify future killing maneuvers is the “window” argument which is stupid.
Hedberg to NJ for 1.5 for 1 year
Niitty feeling a lot better already.
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I guess this means that Marty is going to get less than 76 starts next year.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Or that Hedberg wanted to take a sabbatical but still get paid.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe NJ wants to get out of the first round for a change?
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Sounds like a good plan.
I love how the Sharks were labeled chokers, but we could at least make it out of the first round.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
NJ’s won Cups…always gets ya off the hook.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true, but that's pre-lockout.
And they don’t have many players left (that I can think of) besides Elias and Brodeur.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It also has an NTC… people would actually trade for Hedberg?
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NTCs are all the rage this year…just ask Wallin!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Everybody is getting them today
I swear about 50% of all contracts signed today have an NTC.
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Even I got one
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by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Toyota is giving away free NTCs with every new car this year.
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by Noctro on Jul 1, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you're going to lose control of it...
They might as well not be able to trade you away if you dont want to be.
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They've also modified their motto
Toyota… “Moving forward… even if you don’t want to”
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So you can't trade a player you just signed.
How long does that last for. If it is for the entire first year wouldn’t any one year contract essentially contain a NTC?
Plus what would be the point of signing a player to a one year contract if you are going to trade him.
Thirdly: the price Wallin signed at is a NTC in and of itself
I think you can't do that NBA sign-and-trade thing
Where you sign a player and then immediately trade him (not sure if it’s predetermined as to salary and return).
Wallin can probably be traded sometime during the season, but not right now because we just signed him. Huskins, on the other hand, can be traded at any time
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Hedberg isn't much of a goalie
Literally, the guy is small. I’ve seen him in Atlanta over the past few years. Talented, no doubt. And behind a decent defense he could be okay. But his size is a major disadvantage. He needs to come out till the blue line to cut off angles, and that just doesn’t cut it.
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We're pretty well set on the forward side of things
I don’t mind our four lines at all.
Now about that defense…
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Sure if we trade Joe and make Pavs #1 pivot.
Lombardi will probably make some good money, and we can’t afford him at present.
You remind me of my 2 year old
He likes to talk about “Joe Pa” all the time, but then again, he hasn’t been watching hockey all that long and Pavelski had a pretty decent year.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting comment just now by Panger on TSN
He said DW had a training staff check out Nittymaki and make sure a past hip injury was definitely in the past before signing him. I guess that’s good—and it really does show that Nittymaki was the guy the Sharks wanted.
Also, am I the only one who mistook Mike Johnson for Alyn Mccauley?
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Cap math...
Can anyone here do the cap math? What are we left with?
wyshynski:
Any chance Cam Fowler will call Nabokov and Turco to tell’em ‘chin up, stuff happens’?
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Wyshynski has been redeeming himself today
At least he’s funny
Lamber is a douche though
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Leahy too
Wysh is definitely the only respectable blogger out of that trio.
Lambert and Leahy should have their writing credentials revoked.
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Wysh continues to claim the Sharks departed with Nabokov via the team’s website and ignores the reports that said Nabby met with Wilson face-to-face. I wouldn’t say he’s completely redeemed himself today, at least in my eyes.
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Wasn't that Lambert?
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Nope
It was Wysh. And he continued to rag on the team about it a week later in this story.
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Well then
I take it back. But you can factor in his complete ignorance of Sharks hockey and call it par for the course…
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I though the same thing about that article, but now i think it was just bad wording by Wysh. I think he was trying to say that the Sharks actually took the time to announce that he won’t be back, rather than just letting him walk without saying anything about it. Ryan Lambert on the other hand really does believe DW never spoke with Nabby according to some dumb comment he made in another article.
Selanne is still deciding whether to return right?
If he leaves, the Ducks are going to have to hope that Fowler and Etem get “ready” very quickly.
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Fowler’s a defenseman, isn’t he?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Kim Johnsson?
Thoughts? Discuss…
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Too many 'S's in his last name
Plus I havent heard enough about him…
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Injury issues again
And he had a hefty cap hit. He might be looking for more than we can give him. But a solid d-man. Would love to have him in Teal for the right price.
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would love to have in Teal for the right price
which means we won’t be seeing him in Teal at any price?
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pretty much
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What's his cap hit?
I was thinking if willie mitchell was a no-go, and we dont go for kaberle, then kim johnsson would be somewhat of a ‘poor-man’s kaberle’ if we had him for like 3m or something.
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Where can I find a list of all (available) free agents?
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TSN has them by conference
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25558
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25558
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=63234
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by 408SharksFinatic on Jul 1, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So all gm's call everyone right?
Or do they meet in person?
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So did we figure out what the big buzz is in LA yet?
I hope it’s a mutant, Godzilla sized Bee
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Apparently "soon" has a different definition in SoCal...
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Sorry :(
I meant: “‘soon’ has a different definition in LA”
And if anyone says “I live in LA and I’m offended”… screw you
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I’m from L.A. and couldn’t agree with you more.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
People who live in LA SHOULD be offended
What an awful place to live! :b
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haha, my hometown but with shame, true
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No, don't be. You're in the good part of SoCal. Old Town & Gas Lamp rocks....
…it’s the other parts of SoCal that drags down your average…
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It must have the same definition as “48 hours” in Ottawa.
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Doug Weight?
He’s UFA too if i’m not mistaken…
Yes? No? $?
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scratch that then.
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Not anyone not working for an NHL or NBA franchise
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nopers...
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve actually been rather productive!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a negative. Though I did have a conference call while looking at the twitter feeds while having an aneurism at the same time...
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Would like a replacement for Malhotra
Especially if we end up having to trade one of our top-6 forwards for a defenseman, I’d like a little more depth up front—maybe at the $2 million per I was hoping we’d sign Malhotra for.
Top names still available who might be realistic (though some maybe over that pay range):
- Dominic Moore
- Matt Cullen
- Brendan Morrison
- Eric Belanger
- Owen Nolan
I was just going to say that!
but only because I saw it on your “sick” roster before
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Modano is going to end up in one of the 2 LA teams
So his wife doesn’t have to commute anymore.
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Owen Nolan on the cheap
Roenick style contract???
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Please no Nolan
or any other ‘close to retirement’ guy. Keep the team young. Build for the future.
Worked with Blake and Roenick...
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Meaning, they panned out decently during the playoffs...
If you want to make that whole “we didnt win the cup with them” argument, then lets just trade everyone on this entire team away and start anew.
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We probably should trade some of our top guys and build anew. I’m willing to bet we won’t win with them at all. Especially with how poor our D corp is.
In all honesty...
I’d rather have volchenkov and kaberle right now than Heatley…
Just sayin…
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We could still ink Kaberle via trade, if we really want him. Volchenkov is off the table though.
by Ike Wa the L Hater on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I know...
I just would have rather had Heaters contract go POOF right now, and have picked up Mr. Volchenkov, and traded for Kaberle, and still had a little bit of cap space to utilize.
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Who on earth made that claim?
Anyone who says Pavs is a #1 center is half insane right now.
I mean.. he’s awesome.. but give him another year or 2 before you seriously make that claim… He’s not putting up 90+ point seasons.
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H2d is all for blowing up the top line and inserting Pavs
I was mostly just joking with this last comment
Pavs =/= Crosby or Toews...
He’s a great player, and will be a staple in this franchise for years if he sticks around, but I dont see him being what H2d probably thinks he is.
dont judge him just by how he did in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs.
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My comment about that was a joke. There’s no way we can add Lombardi at present, and getting him would make Pavs redundant considering we have a #2 pivot already. Hence joking about trading Thronton, which I would do, but not to get Lombardi or make Pavs #1.
Hawerchuck over at Behind the Net actually made an argument considering Joe Pavelski a #1
First-line centers aren’t all about points. Pavelski matched up against the best opposing players this season and had 2.33 points per 60 minutes at 5v5, which is slightly less than Thornton and Marleau, but more than Heatley. Last season, Pavelski matched up against 1st/2nd lines, while Thornton and Marleau got sheltered. Pavelski had 1.82 points per 60, which was 5th on the team.
Pavelski gets put out in his own zone a lot more than Thornton and Marleau, which lowers his numbers. But he’s a great faceoff taker, so the Sharks get the puck moving in the right direction. And when he wasn’t playing PP point last year, he outscored Marleau by a wide margin. Putting him on the point reduces his participation in the play and particularly cuts his goal totals.
You’ve got a 25-year-old RFA center who’s your #1 go-to guy defensively late in close games, an exceptional faceoff taker, probably your #1 PK man, can play anywhere on the PP, matches up against 1st lines in his own zone, scores almost as much as the first line does with weaker linemates and was second on the team in EV goals despite missing 15 games…And you’re telling me you think his ceiling is limited?
Just interesting IMO
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Interesting
I just don’t feel like he’s big enough to be a #1 guy. I know other teams throw their top line out against them, but they throw their top D-pair out against Jumbo.
Still, that makes his 4M per year even more amazing.
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Not as fast, shifty, and doesn't have nearly as good stick handling skills
Pavs is good in all these areas vs. Dastyuk being great in all these areas
Hey, I love Blake. And Roenick was amusing. But I’d prefer the Chicago’s approach of keeping it young as much as possible. We need more speed, and that doesn’t come with age.
Chicago’s “young speed” came from drafting in the top 10 of the draft for years on end because they were shitty. Are you suggesting we take that approach? Otherwise, young good players cost an arm and a leg…and are usually signed, locked up, and unnattainable.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No. The vets aren’t that cheap either though. Blake at $3m was not cheap. I’ll take a chance on a young guy that may turn out to be great in a few years, rather than a vet that will only turn out to be retired in a few years.
Yes, a balance of the two are required, but I don’t see the sharks lacking experience any more. I see them lacking in speed.
You missed the point of my post entirely…I don’t feel like elaborating.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you wholeheartedly
which is why I don’t respect the Blackhawks or Pens as much as I do the Wings. They’ve been consistently good, and they’ve won a Cup despite getting late picks.
Chicago and Pittsburgh (and Washington) went from shitty to not-as-much mainly because they stacked up on early draft picks.
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Belanger or Cullen would be awesome. They can actually put the puck in the net.
As much as I love Nolan, I don’t think he’d be brought back. Though we do have a vacancy at Captain….:D
oh captain my captain?
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Boyle would be pissed if he heard that
He’d put his middle finger in the air, directed at you though
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Our current forwards
Marleau-Thornton-Heatley
Clowe-Pavelski-Setogutchi
McGinn-Couture-Mitchell
Ferriero-Nichol-McLaren
Do we need to throw that much money out there on forwards? I can understand if we want another penalty killer, because we’re pretty much going ot have to go Nichol/Mitchell, Pavs/Patty with the occasional Thornton/Heatley set.
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I’d say we probably need more experience and, outside of Couture, more scoring potential on those bottom two lines. Come playoff time they could be deadly for us…in the wrong way.
I’d flip Mitchell and Ferriero…see if the chemistry of Ferriero-Couture-McGinn could continue in the NHL. They were a force together.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what I would do
until Mitchell shows me some offense I like him on the checking line, plus it allows Nichol to be aggressive on the faceoffs
I just am not a fan of Mitchell…but if we have to keep him, hide him on the 4th line and let him run around with Nichol.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping Mitchey is back up to speed this year.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I’m hoping so too, so we can trade him for something useful…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Me either. Other than his speed, he’s pretty much useless.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
granted a broken leg takes a long time to come back from in any sport. Hopefully he can find some scoring touch. With his speed he can really create some chances for himself.
rec'd
because everyone’s on this kids nuts for being fast and doing nothing.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's one of the few PKers the team has left
Especially with Ortmeyer gone. Whatever other flaws Mitchell has, and he has many, we need that still.
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I still think he has value to the team
The PK and on the checking line. I am all for keeping him unless we can package him in some deal for a #2 Dman
I like Matt Cullen a lot in that role. He can score, he can win faceoffs, and he can play on the PK very well. He’s a better scoring, poor man’s Malhotra, IMO.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
“poor man’s Malhotra”?
Any chance he signs at under $700K then? Because if so, sign him up!
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
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It’s an expression, and no. I think we could probably get him for 2 million, which is cheaper than Manny signed for this year, lol.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d say he’s not as good as Malhotra in the D end (although no slouch, and would be a constant on our PK), and definately not in the faceoff circle…but he’s much better offensively. I’d take him if we could get him for 2 mil.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree on Cullen
I have to say, I was really disappointed by Manny’s playoff performance with the Sharks. 1G, 0A in 15 games is really weak, despite his all-around ability. And the lack of 3rd line scoring once again reared its ugly head in the Chicago series.
That’s why I would still like to address the forwards, despite the defensive problems.
I'd love Lombardi
Didn’t list him though because I see him as very clearly above a reasonable $2 million per range.
It looks like he’s expecting the puck to do a trick lol.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Owen Nolan lol, you serious about that? as much as i love Own Nolan… I dont think thats a good idea.
I miss him but he’s like a million years old – forget it.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
he still produces
And he’s a lot better than Cheechoo.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jul 1, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheechoo basically needs to retire...
After his injuries, he hasnt gained back any of that speed he used to posess.
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Anyone surprised that the Islanders haven't done much?
They have more than $32M in cap space, and already have 17 players signed (we also have only 17 players signed, but with $7M in space…)
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Trade $$ for cap space?!?!
can we do that?
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No
Expressly forbidden by the CBA
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Until you look at their roster
Today was a big day for them.
The only defensemen I’ve heard of is Mark Streit. And Bruno Gervais…
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They’ll probably sign Kovy lol. Kovy, Tavares, Okposo would be deadly.
All kidding aside, I’m sure they’ll go after some guys in FA.
Going after guys in FA is one thing
I"m pretty sure they need to GET guys in FA
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first thing I thought was- they’re making room for Kovy
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Riddle of the day....
How much cap could a team cap cap if a team cap could cap cap?
We just traded who for who?!
Seven and a half
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42?
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Nice!
Clearly someone is a fan (and faster on the Post button).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
a fan of what? lol.
I just know that 42 is the answer to anything you cannot explain =)
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really really.
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Duh
Hitchhiker’s guide!
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh.
I guess I am a fan then.
Did you know that if you were to have a tube go straight thru the earth to the other side, and then jump through it being propelled by only gravity it would take 42 minutes?
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42
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Burish goes to Dallas
Cause they needed another big mouthed pest.
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Did they sign him?
He still had no offer as of last night, if I remember correctly.
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by Noctro on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I love this day
Adam Burish goes for less money than Boogaard.
Whak?
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I heard they kicked him back to the AHL for cap space...
(kidding)
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by Noctro on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he’s not as bad as Steve Ott , but … yeah.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Morrow is a saint
Compared to friggin Ribiero.
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Remember the Avery experiment in Dallas?
Yeah that worked out well.
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Avery’s such a douche; Dallas wasn’t looking half as bad in my book once they got rid of him
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Shit!
What a waste…I actually was hoping the Caps would get him to help them out at 2C and on the PK (if the Sharks didn’t want him, anyways). What a waste in Minny.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
$3.5 per—but that said, that’s a whole lot of money for Cullen. Malhotra’s deal set the bar pretty high.
Yeah, I like Cullen…but not that much. Man, that’s really high for a 40 point a year guy.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 1, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LeBrun
“Spoke with Don Meehan, Nabokov likely to take a few days after look at options. KHL in Russia a real option but won’t close door on NHL”
What a waste of talent :-/
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by Noctro on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
that makes me even more sad....
:(
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Totally depressing. Not like I wanted to see Nabby in another uniform, but I did want to see him get the praise he deserves and have more success here. What a weird, weird summer for goalies.
agreed...
this is almost worst than watching him play for another NHL team….poor Nabster.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
‘poor’ isn’t the right word. He’ll make a hell of a lot more in Russia playing in the KHL than he would here. He’d just have to get used to living there, and playing in 8000 seat arenas.
He's from there... I dont think he'd have to 'get used' to a whole lot.
That said.. I’m sure it wont be that sad for him going to play in russia… especially if he’s playing for one of the bigger clubs.
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But with a wife and kids who are all born and raised American, I could see it being a big issue for them as a family.
Maybe...
but I think they’re pretty good as a family. I’m sure that if he gets like 5million a year (or whatever that is in rubles) that it wont be THAT BAD going to russia lol.
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I dont know I guess...
its kinda like I had to go to the KHL because no one in the NHL wanted me…not like adjustments or money or whatever. I could be very wrong and Nabby could be happy going to the KHL….
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
its not a want/dont want thing...
its an afford/cant afford thing…
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yea
I see that when he’s asking for twice as much as some goalies are worth.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather him move to the KHL
Than have to face him in the NHL. I’m being selfish though. I don’t want to see him on another team in the NHL.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 1, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Agent Rhetoric
Expect Nabby to take a pay-cut to compete in the NHL.
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I'll amend
If Nabby signs in the KHL, it won’t be for longer than one year.
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What NHL options are left? There aren’t too many…
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pretty sure they're set with leighton...
plus, they still have emery, if he comes back okay and competes well
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I don't know about Emery
he apparently has a degenerative hip disease.
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either way, they have leighton
and I dont see them using what little cap space they have left to secure another goaltender.
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I just don’t see them sticking with just Leighton/Boucher.
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I have to admit, I was half expecting Bouch to come back here. Veteran presence to work with our young goalies. Not now though.
Niitty is a vet. He’s 30 and been in the league for a while now.
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Bouch is how old?
he’s quite a vet too, my friend.
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We don’t have to give up assets to get Niitty.
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besides capspace, no.
but I was just making a direct comparison between the two. I wasnt ACTUALLY saying we could get him back.
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then they should have taken mason, if they wanted a goalie..
because I seriously do not see them being able to afford Nabby with what he wants dollarswise…
Emery’s making how much right now? They still have to work with that.
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Emery is a Free Agent.
He was signed to a one year deal last year.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting.
That opens it up a bit more I suppose… I thought he had signed a multi year deal
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Purely Guesses
Washington
Detroit
NY Islanders
Ottawa
Florida
St. Louis
The only ones I can see happening are (maybe) WSH, OTT, and NYI.
Detroit has Howard and their front office seems pretty confident in him, Florida has Vokoun for the time being and St. Louis acquired Halak.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Columbus could be a good place. Mason struggled, could use having a vet.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Could be.
I think if Nabby went there, he’d be the veteran back-up and not the starter. At least not right away, I mean.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Nabby as a veteren backup?
He wants 5mil a year, probably… and has gone over 70 starts a season for how long?
I’m pretty positive he woudnt settle for backup.
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I know he wouln't settle for that.
I’m just pointing out that he would likely not be the starter if he went to the BJ’s.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If the BJ's signed him, theres no doubt he'd start...
Unless they had ryan miller already, I dont see many younger goaltenders taking starter away from Nabby no matter where he goes.
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They have Steve Mason who won the Calder Trophy last year.
He had a sophmore slump, but I think the Jackets are confident going with him in the nets now and in the future as well.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Nabby won the calder in 2001
and has gone on to become one of the best goalies in the league ever since…
I’m fairly certain, that on the crazy chance that the BJ’s bite on nabby, that he would HAVE to be the starter.
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I think Emery’s out of the plans. And while Leighton certainly had a good run, I would not feel confident at all with him in net if I’m the Flyers—with the defense they’ve built up, I think Nabby really could be the final piece. And he might be willing to take a very low deal, which would be huge for the Flyers and their cap situation.
not confident with leighton?
Hellooooo. We’re going with nittymaki, and we dont have quite the defense that the Flyers do…
Remember? goaltending is overrated now?
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I'd just rather have the flyers defense...
The sharks offense is way better than Philadelphia.
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With the Meszaros and O'Donnell additions
That D is so much better than ours I don’t know how much the offense even matters. Plus they’re actually pretty deep at forward and you have to like a team that’s physical like they are up front.
But I don’t like them, so I should probably stop defending them.
They're deep at forward..... till they all go out on the IR list...
Seriously… their offense has been plagued by injuries so hard in recent years..
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+ Kubina or Kaberle
= happy sean.
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I wouldn't say "good"
Acceptable? But at this point, other than taking a flyer on Willie Mitchell, I think the only serious way of improving our D is to go the trade route.
After youtubing Willie Mitchell...
I want him. He’res why.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbLiGXqHIA
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Gonna go out on a limb and say this is the Toews hit.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
bingo.
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Didn't you guess this yesterday too?
And yeah, it was there too.
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Crankshaft is still with the sharks right?
I’m confused because no one seems to be mentioning him in the defense.
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He is.
Everyone just wants to trade him for an upgrade.
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.
I'd be very happy keeping him...
I just want to add a replacement and… hopefully UPGRADE from captain hook.
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...............they all need to be slapped then!
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Everytime I hear "upgrade"...
…I think of that commercial with Mariah Carey.
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Okay, I'm back
Aaaand nothing with LA?
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
Surely, you are not surprised...
…I mean, it IS LA.
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THEY TRADED FOR GRETZKY!
I know right?
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My turn to vomit in my mouth a little.
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I'd laugh
if they let Niemi walk and platooned Nabby and Turco.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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if that happened I would beat a puppy if DW did not pick him up immediately and trade off Nittymaki
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Niemi sucks
He just happend to “turn it on” against the Sharks, as do so many goalies nowadays
Seriously, did you see him in the Cup finals? Made me feel ashamed we couldn’t score on him.
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
yeah... he really just was good for the games against vancouver and SJ
He came back down to earth in the finals and wasnt quite as good.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
www.fearthefin.com
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His rebound end up in the slot and for some reason he can’t keep a puck in his catcher.
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And yet he took them all the way...
He was a wall. Doesn’t matter if the puck stuck or not.
Still finding it messed up that CHI isn’t resigning him.
Maybe NBC will ;-)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Chicago will re-sign him
He’s an RFA, I believe they made him an offer sheet the same way the Sharks offered Seto an offer sheet.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Pens. Flyers. Devils. Canucks.
the four biggest winners of the day imo, and just wait for the fifth to be LA with the signing of Kovalchuk latest by tomorrow.
I feel miserable with the way DW dealt with the big free agent D-men today, and to be completely honest, if I knew that DW wouldn’t sign Martin, Volchenkov, Hamhuis, Leopold, or even Coburn, I’d much rather have Nabby now than Nitty…. especially with the huge downgrade on D.
Wow Interesting day so far, I am really bummed out about Manny but not at that price and slowly warming up to Nitty. Looking forward to seeing what DW does with our defense. Right now feels like addition by subtraction… but there is a lot of time before the puck drops once more all I can do now is cross my fingers.
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Dallas signs goaltender Andrew Raycroft to a two-year deal
^ not sure if noted yet
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
That is so F-ed up....
…the cup-winning Goalie for this year is a no-sign.
Did someone divide by zero this year?
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Keith and Seabrook are signed for a while :-p
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Keith is, but Seabrook is due for a big raise next year.
The Hawks are going to either let him walk or wheel and deal again next year to keep him.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 1, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Before the beginning of the year DW said there would be major changes if the Sharks did not win the cup.
Well I wonder if the big changes he had in mind were letting the youngsters take over, especially on the D, maybe that’s why he hasn’t made any signings?
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DW, gettin crazy with the Cheeze-Whiz
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 1, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I never heard him say that, all I heard was him explicitily stating that nothing but the cup would suffice.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Listen to what the coach and he have to say about their post season. Making it past the Red Wings changed everything.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Ah, I'll admit I didn't watch that conference.
But if this is what he is doing, then I’m all for it. I think we need to get a little younger and faster.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Lots of Debbie Downers...
Some of you guys…jeez…. the season doesn’t start for what, another 3 months and you’re bitching about the current roster?
Wilson has said for many seasons now that he doesn’t like to buy into all the hype and overpay for a guy on FA signing day. It’s not like the only defensemen out there that could help this team are FA’s. There is this thing called TRADING for players…which Wilson, frankly, has a pretty good track record of doing.
Chill out, we’ve got PLENTY OF TIME to get a big name D-man.
That's only because we don't have next season's roster to bitch about yet ;-)
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Eric Nystrom signs with the Minnesota Wild with a 3-year deal for $1.4 million a season.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
wow I thought Calgary was going to keep him, but ok
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
How is the Wild so content to stock their team with mid level talent
I suppose they are banking on Latendresse being awesome.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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Looks like Minnesota is more into high school hockey...
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
too bad the isles didnt get him.
that would have been appropriate.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
www.fearthefin.com
Bobby Crosby is my Cousin
www.athleticsnation.com
What would you all think of having a guy like Stephane Robidas on the team?
I know his association with the Stars is vomit inducing, but he’s got a manageable cap hit, signed for a decent amount of time, is tough as nails, and puts up decent point totals.
NTC is a bit of an issue, but surely we have some pieces that Dallas might be looking for.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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mostly because he’s vomit-inducing, true.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 1, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one Dallas Star I'd want at this point
Trevor Daley. Dude’s a beast.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
He's Douglas murray with a couple more goals
(Purely on the stats sheet, that is. No idea on the rest of his playing)
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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Dustin Boyd agrees to terms with the Montreal Canadiens on a 1-year deal
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
You know you're starting to run out of FA options when Boyd is news....
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
It's the off-season
At least we’re talking about actual signings and not whether Brett Favre is throwing passes to high school receivers.
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From Brodie:
Setoguchi emphasized today his strong desire to stay with the #sjsharks . To me, just seems like a matter of time and/or small details. #nhl
Here's my twitter
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club
I'm hoping Setoguchi will from now on play like the Seto we saw in the playoffs, I would love that very much.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds a lot like the Malhotra blurbs we heard last week.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
that would be so sick.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
www.fearthefin.com
Bobby Crosby is my Cousin
www.athleticsnation.com
Would I be wrong in hoping for Nabby to go unsigned for weeks and become so desperate that he calls DW and offers to play for 2 million a year for say 2 or 3 years.
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You'd be wrong
But I hope you’re right…
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Given the amount of info DW shelled out, you have to think he's had this plan for a while.
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2 goalies for 4 mil combined isn't as bad as Chicago having 2 goalies for 10 mil combined 2 seasons ago.
Plus, because Nitty is inked 2 mil a year he’d be easier to move than Khabby was.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly for Nabby...
…he probably has lost most any leverage, and will need to discount to stay NHL.
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Bleeding teal since 1997
2 mil a year is a huge discount from his last contract.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with you...
…just stating what the situation is right now for the elite (G)s.
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There are no sign and trades in the NHL. We are stuck with Nitty for the year as I understand it.
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Not for the year, for a few months anyway
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I stand corrected thanks ED.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
ED is the best nickname.
Drew: Fill in the blank: "When I'm on the ice with Douglas Murray, I..."
Nabby: Poop yourself.
I'm pretty sure "sign and trade" refers to the NBA sort of deal
Where teams sign a guy, then IMMEDIATELY trade him away. We can, however, trade him away sometime this season.
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
plus, even if we didn't, if my scenario actually happened, we'd get about a 3 mil dollar cut into what we pay our goalies, so it would still be cheaper, plus it would give Todd an excuse to rest Nabby more.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's wishful thinking at this point, my friend.
And just about everyone here knows how big a Nabby fan I am.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Oh, and DW takes him up on it. I would love that, probably won't happen, but I would love it.
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by Diamondback15 on Jul 1, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be happy taking for 3.1 million a year...
3 year 10 million per season?
why not – you get to keep your family here, and maybe win a cup. I’d do it.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
www.fearthefin.com
Bobby Crosby is my Cousin
www.athleticsnation.com
thats 3.1mill per season. 10 mill total contract.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
www.fearthefin.com
Bobby Crosby is my Cousin
www.athleticsnation.com
Whoa whoa whoa!
I hit “Post” right after the clarification..
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
Well the bad news... we didn't get any big name
Also, the least expensive signing was Francis Boullion @ $1.35M
But, hopefully, DW can start packing in players at a much lower cap hit… :)?
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
Actually, if the name is big, you probably don't want it...
…because it has past it’s prime.
DW is definitely digging for peaking, rather than peaked, players.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I'm actually a fan of the Niittymaki signing.
Guy posted a winning record and decent numbers on an AWFUL Tampa Bay team with an AWFUL defense.
I am warming up to it, overall I think it fits what we needed. Hes a guy who can play a chunk of games but also give Griess a decent number of starts or vice/versa.
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I see him as an expendable guy
Two years just so we could get him to sign… if Griess works out, send Nitty down and let Stalock get a few “practice” starts in.
Then trade away Nitty next offseason, and you have Greiss all ready for the big gig.
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
I guess it was disappointing mainly because of Ellis being available
But it’s not terrible IMHO. He’s actually not awful. Playing in Philly (bad years) and TB (seemingly always bad)… he isn’t terrible numbers wise.
At least he isn’t Turco… ;)
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There's got to be something we missed about Ellis.
It’s not like he would have slouched at another $500K/yr.
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But it sounds like Nitty was the Sharks' first choice
so I guess they got what the want (as with Coyle)
How cool? Think Steve Nash...
"Go Sharks!" -Me
That's exactly what I'm saying. Ellis looked good, but there was something DW saw as better in Niity
(damn, I almost typed Kiity…)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Agreed, we can debate the difference for ever (heck we have all off season) but at the end of the day this is the guy DW wanted.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
And I mean, after all, no one has been a Shark longer than DW.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Anyone have a summary of our cap (assuming Goooch comes in with the numbers we expect?)
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Bleeding teal since 1997
I just wish I could be there the first time DW sees the phrase "Niitylitter" used for our adversary.
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Bleeding teal since 1997
I'm out for the night
You’ll have to find some other smug jackass to tell you you’re all wrong.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
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