Blackhawks will match San Jose's offer to Hjalmarsson
According to @adamjahns, the Chicago Sun-Times Sports Reporter covering the Blackhawks, Chicago will match the four year, $14MM offer made to Niklas Hjalmarsson.
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Awww
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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True. And it was pretty inevitable that it was going to happen, but still. I was sorta hoping they’d forget about it like they did with the RFA offer sheets and just let us have him.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Sucks Tallon wasn’t still in charge there. Any good Florida RFA’s coming up soon?
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Well, it’s Florida. So no.
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At least we didn’t have to wait a week?
Definitely a plus, both for DW as well as us haha.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Just realized, though, that it’ll likely mean we’ll have to wait longer for Setoguchi to sign, since he (or, more likely, Doug Wilson) was probably waiting for all the free agent stuff to be done with to sign.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
Oh how I wish the Hawks had the cap space
For a Brian Burke-esque “Revenge Offer Sheet” to Setoguchi.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
How I wish the Leafs had a 1st round pick
to offer sheet for Setoguchi.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 12, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You have Versteeg's rap career instead.
Enjoy.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I might take a first rounder that high ;]
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by jwizzle241 on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
maaaan
just when we were getting to know him
by MatrickParleau on Jul 12, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Arghalkjfkfdf
I ALREADY BOUGHT MY HJALMARSSON JERSEY
Here's my twitter
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I pray you’re joking.
Fear The Fin = Man goes into cage... Cage goes into salsa... Shark's in the salsa... Our shark.
Caps lock = the universal sign of sarcasm.
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Caps lock is cruise control for cool.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean the one with the ultra-wide shoulders?
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I don’t think that surprises anyone and at least they didn’t make us wait till Friday.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, like I said on the initial post, this was to be expected. Chicago will have to probably let Niemi walk, though.
"Playing Detroit in the playoffs is like paying your taxes. You either pay now or pay later." - Suisun Dan
Yeah, but Niemi is bad anyways. They’ll be equally fine in goal with or without him.
They still have to move someone now, though…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine is a relative term, in this instance. Things aren’t fine, but they’re not completely catastrophic.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Indeed
We won’t have to make all these random trades to get under a particular #.
If you don’t resign Niemi, you’ll have to find a starting goaltender who will play for 2 million or less; and hopefully he’s good and can start a lot of games because your backup is completely untested and doesn’t have great AHL numbers.
Hawks seem to think Turco will play for 2 million, i dunno about that, he turned down a 2 million dollar offer from Philadelphia already.
You guys probably won’t be able to resign your former 1st rounder Jack Skille also.
BASELESS RUMORS by Mr. Plank
San Jose is looking to move Devin Setoguchi for a top three defensive defenseman, provided they are able to obtain Tomas Kaberle for Ryane Clowe from Toronto. After those pieces have fallen into place Wilson would then extend a three year $1.5MM offer sheet to Jack Skille.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Then is ticketed by the National Park Service
for poaching.
Hahaha, beauty.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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DO NOT LIKE
Unless that defenseman is Pronger or something.
Offersheeting Jack Skille would be a smart move though.
Rofl…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, that’s what I just said. Niemi is bad, you can find similar goaltending for the league minimum. It’s the smart move to pick hammer over Niemi.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I guess approaching this from the worst-case-scenario/pessimistic realist perspective paid off. I’m not nearly as upset as I would’ve been!
Wait, who am I kidding? I’m a little disappointed.
..:Fear The Fin:..
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I’m bummed, but I can snicker as the Blackhawks see more cap space evaporate.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
always a positive huh? :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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AW BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
The news is definitely disappointing but expected. Curious to see what DW’s next move is.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Next Move: Wait
and when he is done waiting… he will wait some more. Patience is Key here.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Easy come, easy go
Gotta think if DW really wanted Hammer, he’d have offered $4m.
Oh well, nice to know you Hammer.
So……. who’s next? …
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 12, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions
Aw well. Let's go get Regehr. hahaha
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Boooo!
Does this mean it’s not Hjammer time any more?
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maybe not...
maybe hammer will choose us. :I
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
aw shoot….back to my original sentiments. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 12, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I might! That bandwagon should have plenty of space on it
After Chicago fills out their bottom lines with AHL dudes.
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wow. is that pic liek 20gigapixel?
I swear my ISP was crying on the refresh.
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Kinda’.
And we can’t call him the Hjammerhead Shark either.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Bright side, people!
Blackhawks now have $113K of cap space, and only 15 players signed. They almost have to waive Huet and eat his salary in the minors just to do anything. They’re not going to be able to give Niemi the salary he’d get in arbitration. They’ll have no goalies and need three other players besides just to have the minimum roster.
LeBrun is saying they’re now trying to move Brian Campbell. Let me just include my hard-hitting analysis on that: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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by mymclife on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They’re likely going to free up another $4.5 (+/-) by dumping Huet’s contract.
..:Fear The Fin:..
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by OtherKid on Jul 12, 2010 12:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
$5.6M, actually (yeah, Huet’s contract was HORRIBLE).
But still, they likely can’t match Niemi’s arbitration offer, at least without moving another player, and then would have no goalies and $5.8M to sign 6 players, which is around $900K per player, for 2 goalies, 3 forwards, and 2 defensemen. I know the Sharks are going cheap on goaltending, but spending less than $2M total on the position makes me cringe, especially since their bottom two defensemen likely won’t be all that great.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Do you know something I don't?
The arbitration offer isn’t set yet…and if you look at his regular season it’s not terribly impressive and the playoffs were great. I think it’s entirely possible to get him signed for less than 2 mil, which would be the most they could give him and still have enough room to sign the two other spots they need.
Niemi’s agent could try to build their case off of Halak’s contract which would probably give him a pretty favorable arbitration.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Halak was a backup for 2 years
Niemi was a backup for 1 year. The arbiter has more freedom to cut the difference of the two contracts himself.
Halak has two full seasons under his belt, Niemi one. Halak’s statistics were much better than Niemi’s in year one, as well as having much better statistics in year two. I think they’re pretty iffy comparables when you take sample size and raw stats into account.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Wouldn't say much better
Niemi had more W’s better GAA and more SO’s. Halak had more TOI and a greater Sv %.
SV% is pretty much the universal determinant for goaltending, I think. With the number of shots Chicago gave up in games it makes shutouts and GAA much easier to obtain.
Granted that should give him a little bump, but with only one year under his belt, a contract around $2.0MM for one year doesn’t seem that unlikely to me— at the very least it will be closer to that than the $3.75MM Halak is getting.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Also regarding this
You’re not allowed to use comparable contracts as evidence anywayThe evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:
- The player’s “overall performance” including statistics in all previous seasons.
- Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
- The player’s length of service with the team and in the NHL.
- The player’s “overall contribution” to the team’s success or failure.
- The player’s “special qualities of leadership or public appeal.”
- The performance and salary of any player alleged to be “comparable” to the player in the dispute.
Evidence that is not admissible:
- The salary and performance of a “comparable” player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.
- Testimonials, video and media reports.
- The financial state of the team.
- The salary cap and the state of the team’s payroll.
Antti Niemi = Jim Carey
Montreal’s defense quality was nothing like Chicago’s, thus making Niemi look much better than he actually is.
Patty Marleau lives an erotic life.
by Will Bulldozer on Jul 12, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I was just looking at their playoff runs this past off season. It just seams that more often then not the player wins here.
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Correct me if I'm wrong
but the arbiter in hockey does not have to choose one side or the other. The arbiter can split the difference of the two with a contract in hte middle right?
Playoff run is definitely important, but I think that with only one season under his belt, the arbitrer sees those dual .910’s in the regular and postseason and realizes that this is a very small sample size for a player whose statistics are just about league average. Fair point though, as Niemi did have a very good series against San Jose. I just think that may inflate our perception of what we think he is worth— the rest of his postseason didn’t approach those levels.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
He was flat out dominant against San Jose
but Philly figured out how to break the Hawks down a bit defensively… and he looked human against Philly.
And aginst Vancouver, and Nashville...
I love the guy, and his name makes for great wordplay, but I feel much worse about having to trade Versteeg vs. Antti-Goal.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this completely. I’ve seen estimates of $3.5MM for Niemi, which is absurd. $2.0MM for a guy with decent statistics and a small sample size is much more likely, in my opinion.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Quiet, I’m trying to cheer myself up!
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Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
But the arbitration is going to be ugly. The Hawks have to argue for a low-ball contract for their Cup winning starting goaltender.
Good luck attracting goalies, Chicago.
Free agent goalies understand that it's a business.
RFA goalies who take teams to arbitration even moreso.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
we won the Stanley Cup
with a $800k goaltender. I’m not huge on our Rockford option, but at least Crawford has put up identical numbers to Niemi throughout his AHL career.
Not necesarily...
The Hawks were a different team with Campbell on the ice… I don’t think Campbell is the guy they move..
Campbell and Huet are the reason they have cap problems. If i was them my first moves would’ve been to send Huet to the minors or some European league, and then give Campbell away for free to the Islands or Thrashers or something. Then boom, they have 13 million cap space to resign all their important players. They could’ve even gone after a free agent defenseman to replace Campbell, or resigned Kim Johnsson at a cheaper price than his last contract.
Huet can't be sent to the minors yet
but he will be jettisoned to the minors for sure. Campbell you have to have a taker… and it’s possible that a move like that is in the works but for all the hate that Sharks fans have for Campbell, the Hawks fans love him and without Campbell the Hawks do not win the Cup…
I can't see any teams taking on that contract, except for maybe the Isles.
They need to get to the Cap Floor, and that would certainly help. But I don’t know who else would take on that contract.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah i doubt any cup-winning team would’ve still won the cup if you removed 7.14 million cap space worth of assets from it; although the Hawks would probably be the most likely to still be able to do it.
Either way, that has nothing to do with anything. Campbell really should be moved, but hopefully the Hawks aren’t able to do it.
I don't hope they move him...
even if for the salary relief… He is a great defenseman and Lalonde could use another year at Rockford to mature
mmmm
Lalonde
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Johnsson retired
His concussion was a lot worse than anyone expected. His hockey days are over.
That's Sad to hear.
regardless of what side of the line you’re on, getting out of the game that way is a tragedy.
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Especially this early in his career.
He should have had 4-5 more solid seasons in his tank. Hope he saved some cash.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Next season
we’ll have 4 million freed up in cap hit penalties coming off of the books.
Actually, thank you very much DW!
Seems Bowman felt that Hammer was actually going to cost MORE than the 14M/4 years, especially the later years. So matching a reasonable offer was really easy…didn’t need to think about it for a week even. So net/net DW actually lowered the Hawks cap in coming years. Well done!
*thumbs up*
Lol. Okay, guy. I like it when people just bullshit for the sake of bullshitting.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
How is it BS if DW himself said that Hammer is one of the top 3 d-men?
3.5 mil for 4 years is a steal if you think about it like that. Sure it hurts the Hawks since they were probably hoping to get him for around 2.5 per, but 3.5 for a player of his talent is a great deal.
It's still a good deal.
But don’t pretend for a second that this is what was planned all along.
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it wasn't planned this way...
but we’ll take him at $3.5 mil. Loves me some Ham & Cheese.
Alright. That's respectable.
I know I’d take him for that much. haha
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"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
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Never said it was planned
Stanbow himself said that it caught him off guard since teams don’t really give out offer sheets to RFAs all too often. But is it fair value for a 23 year-old player of his talent? Definitely.
You guys made our off-season tougher though, that’s for sure.
It’s not a bad deal, but you can bet it’s a worse deal than one the Hawks Could’ve done had other DW not gotten involved.
Unless of course
someone else offered him 4.2 mil or more. 3.5M for him 2 years from now will be an easy steal. Like the Buff/Eager/Sopel trade, where the Thrashers just took the pressure off and didn’t allow others to screw the Hawks more. I thought this was going to be a LOT more bloody than it has been. Now if the Niemi arbitrator comes in on the low side for our ROOKIE goalie, we keep Toews, Kane, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, Campbell, Hammer, Brouwer, Sharp, Bolland, Kopecky and Niemi. I’ll take it. Much easier than if DW would have offered a little more.
I don’t see how you can keep Niemi and Campbell. I seriously doubt the arbiter decides Niemi should be paid 1.5 million or less.
True
but 2 or 2.2 might be doable. Plus with more negotiating time, could the Hawks back load a longer term deal….say 1.75, 2.5, 3.5, 4.0?
2 would probably be doable if you didn’t play Kyle Beach, and didn’t resign Jack Skille (both 1st rounders), and you didn’t have any healthy scratches. So really Niemi at 2 million isn’t really doable. I also doubt Niemi would like to do a longer term than 1 year for LESS than 2 million a year.
Skille has disappointed so far
If the hardest hit is dumping him somewhere for future draft picks…meh….I’ll take that. Other worst case is losing Bolland if we want to keep Niemi….but he’d bring back something good in return I’d imagine.
Turns out Beach
just attacked another teammate at prospect camp and put him out 4 months……so maybe Beach won’t be a problem either
That does not help your cap troubles. That prospect could have been your 4th liner. He should hold back. Now you have to dip into the ECHL ;-)
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 12, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
I think it is a great deal, that’s without question. But the fact remains that regardless of whether or not it’s fair or below market value, you guys couldn’t afford it. So to then come over here and thank DW, like you guys at Second City weren’t A) Running the Sharks organization through the ground for making this offer, and B) Seriously scared that you weren’t going to match, constitutes Mr. Rosey Shades up there as a total bullshitter.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Curse him now.
Thank him in 2013.
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by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty good analysis. Congrats!
But in the end, we still got a pretty darn good D-man locked in for 4 years at under market value. And all we had to do is match DW’s lowball offer. Story plays out quite differently at 4.25/per or with a more front loaded deal.
Why would you congratulate me?
You guys are the gun jumpers. I could care less, frankly. DW will get us what we need. He always does.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Ignore the Chicago fans. Apparently they’d rather come here and argue with us than be on their own board discussing what this means for their own team.
I really don’t get it either. If I was a chicago fan, and hadn’t killed myself already, I’d still be drunk from the Stanley Cup win. Sigh…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s just a discussion … it’s interesting hear both sides vs just everyone agreeing all the time cause we are wearign teal colored glasses … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Yeah i like it. I especially like hearing Hawk fans lie to themselves about how they’re glad DW offer sheeted Hjalmarsson lol.
I’m amused by the complete 180 that almost all of them have done, from, “This contract is far too much and paying on potential rather than his actual ability, this is horrible and going to screw us over!” to, “This contract is going to be such a steal in a few years, haha Doug Wilson did all of our work for us, suck it Shark fans!” And that it happened in such a short period of time is even better.
Better? I’m sorry, I meant more annoying.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Those Hawks fans move quick. They went from despair over Dollar Bill Wirtz (if they even paid attention to the team since the Amonte years) to feeling Cup entitled in record time.
My roommate: “Go Blackhawks! They’re gonna win the Cup!”
Me: “Who’s your favorite player?”
Roomie: “Toes!”
Me: “…You mean, Toews?”
Roomie: “Whatever!”
Me: “Do you like Kane or Keith or Niemi?”
Roomie: “I don’t know, never heard of them.”
Me: “…How about Jeremy Roenick? Isn’t he awesome?”
Roomie: “Is he a hockey player? Did he play for the Blackhawks?”
Repeat that at least twice a week for a year and you can understand why I’m touchy about Blackhawks fans.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
I don’t think anyone should ever have to explain their dislike or wariness of Hawks fans. It should just be accepted as is.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, Wings and Pens fans have been real fans of their teams for longer…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Ouch
someone’s touchy. For what it’s worth a) everyone needs to get into hockey somehow; some of the bandwagoners will stick around, some won’t, and b) every team gets bandwagon fans.
Nah, I’m just being a dick. Detroit fans are just as bad as Chicago fans in my book…Pitt fans are less annoying since they are not in our conference and therefore we do not have to put up with them.
Yall might think we’re annoying too…it happens.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but take into account
not every bandwagoner’s team sweeps the conference champions and their forever loyal fans out of the playoffs. That makes things MUCH more touchy.
Not cool, dude
You can bring that shit up at SCH when their fans invade, but this is their place. You can throw shit up the walls of your own house if you want, but you don’t do it to someone else’s house…
You mean like when they
came into SCH when we thought we might lose Hammer (after already losing 7 or 8 regulars who helped us win our 1st Stanley Cup in 49 years) and posting a picture of him in a teal jersey on our site?
You have to admit
He’s doing an excellent job of illustrating why we group Hawks fans with Wings and Pens fans
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Whoa there grasshopper...
…this is FTF you’re in, not SCH.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
You see, we’ve had a team that has been consistently in the playoffs since 2004. We don’t get high draft picks, ever. We’ve never sold out less than 90% capacity. We’ve been stuck with the choker label since 2006, fairly or not. Everybody disregards the Sharks, from the national media to the local Bay Area media, despite the team being so successful (and the ONLY successful team in the area – to put it in perspective, the Golden State Warriors are the most recent non-Sharks team to make the playoffs in the Bay Area). We want to be recognized that damnit, we’ve been the second-best regular season team since the lockout, and we deserve some respect!
But then teams like the Blackhawks or Penguins or Capitals come along, who have been tanking/sucking for 5 years and suddenly get all the success, all the praise that we’ve felt we’ve deserved. It just feels unfair, that a team that barely filled up half their arena two years ago suddenly gets all the attention because they managed to draft generational talents with their first overall picks. Meanwhile, we’re called chokers, and our own special band of bandwagonners come and call for the team to be blown up, Thornton to be traded, Doug Wilson to be fired, etc. These are people who call themselves Sharks fans.
So when the other teams’ bandwagonners show up and act all cocky, we get defensive and tend to lash out. It’s a product of being the whipping boy/Rodney Dangerfield combination of the NHL. Don’t take it too personal.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Jul 12, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
The term I use is "Buffalo Bills"
Sigh
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Sadly...
At least the Bills made it to the Super Bowl 4 times.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d probably compare the Bills to the Blues, if anything. Or the Sabres, but that makes things too easy.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
I think that sums it up perfectly.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Well said! :)
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You've got a point
I’d be pissed if I was in your situation; your GM has done a hell of a job. Still, implying that all Blackhawks fans are bandwagoners is quite unfair. I’m not going to talk about Dollar Bill, because I’m sure you’ve heard it all before.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always kind of liked the Sharks. Wouldn’t mind seeing you (especially Marleau) win the Cup.
That's the way to make friends here.
Mention anything good about Marleau. haha ;]
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Not...enough...indentation...
….can’t…follow…the bloodtrail.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
The Up button must become your friend. haha
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Just checking
how small the margins can go
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Wide viewing mode is your friend...
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
So much better!
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Dude...it's so wide I could drive a semi through it...
…but they’re all still mashed together. GAAAAH!!!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Awesomely awkward.
So, good.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
If it looked like I implied that all Blackhawks fans are bandwagonners, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean that. I completely respect and admire the fans that had to suffer under Dollar Bill Wirtz, and yet stuck with the team. It’s just that there are bandwagonners out there that ARE cocky and full of themselves (scroll up to see the conversation I’ve had with my former roommate, who is the definition of a cocky bandwagon fan), and those are often the ones that are the most vocal.
And like has been said, a good way to get on the good side of this blog is to praise Marleau. We were like, his sole defenders last off-season when everyone was calling for him to be traded, haha.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Don't worry about it
I know how frustrating entitled fans can get.
If I remember correctly, Marleau scored over half of your goals against us in our series, so yeah, he’s pretty much the last player I’d be trading if I were you.
As many points as Toews in that series.
Who is awesome, btw. I enjoyed seeing him lift the Cup.
(Seeing Kane lift it was pretty bad though. That damn haircut…)
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
it was in that series that i gained lots of respect for toews. Can’t remember when, but it was after a play and toews was kinda sitting on the ice, and one of our players kinda bumped his head (obviously on purpose). At the moment I was like hell yeah, you gotta start getting in their faces! But the way he took that anger and channeled it towards winning the game was commendable
Yeah, Marleau is a beast. People don’t realize it, but he’s one of the top playoff performers in the league since 2002. He’s like first or second in virtually every offensive category.
So why people think he chokes in the playoffs confuses me.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
its because
were the bastard red headed step child of the nhl, and he was/is our awkward captain. That makes him the biggest of all the redheaded bastards
by animadiversion on Jul 12, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i've been staying off the boards for this
but i just wanted to pop in and say, from an opposing fan perspective, this was a great point.
whatever else i think of the Sharks, they have been incredibly consistent. and that people even thought to call them chokers this year was ridiculous in my book. and yes, i’ll admit, i personally was fairly worried the Hawks wouldn’t match the offer. very thankful they did, though i have no clue what comes next in cap hell.
happy ninja is happy....and wants to share its new toy!
by puppetmasterp on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never had problems with Penguins fans. They’ve all been pretty cool in my experience.
Red Wings fans are in a class of their own, though, I’ll give you that much.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
It's kinda like how when the Sharks made an offer on Hjammer
Sharks fans came over to SCH with photoshopped pics of him in a Sharks jersey, isn’t it? Why weren’t you guys over here discussing what it meant for your team?
Nobody’s arguing. You’re making this discussion into something it isn’t. We get it. You’re better than us because you’ve had a competitive team for several years. Just let it go and talk hockey.
Haha, I was over here discussing what it meant for my team…but I’ve gotten into this particular discission too many times. I’m just not a fan of going onto other teams’ fanblogs to rub shit in their faces, or vice versa. I’m clearly mostly alone on this one, though…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I never post on other teams’ boards unless it’s about something that doesn’t concern my team. I might brag and gloat among Sharks fans, but I don’t want to rub it in other people’s faces. It’s like, I wouldn’t want Canucks fans to rub the Ehrhoff trade in my face, so why should I do it to others?
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Same.
While I have membership on several, I only posted over as BSH when it looked like they were going to make Nabokov an offer.
Tossing spitpalls in someone else’s house = low class.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I’ve commented on most the other sites … some pretty cool people and fun to join in on game day threads … it’s not about gloating or anything, but getting to know people and hear their side of a story … we are all hockey fans afterall
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, when a bunch of blog were raising money for Haiti, I commented on a lot of other places. There are some fun communities out there, and it’s fun to learn about a team from their fans. And then there were those field trips with SLGT that were fun.
But really, when there’s a trade or an offer sheet or a playoff series, I stay far away. Emotions are running high, people can misconstrue comments, and rarely will there be something good that comes from it.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
SLGT is awesome.
They’ve gotten me to become slight Blues fans completely based on how awesome they are over there.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Me too
Same with PPP and DGB and the Maple Leafs, although that’s sort of a “How messed up can this team be?” sort of fandom.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
I’m a member of Japers’ Rink, since the Caps are my team of the East. But that’s about it.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m personally just too lazy to join the other blogs.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
lol.
I’m not touchy at all. This is the internet. When was the last time you congratulated someone and it wasn’t sarcastic on the internet?
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
GRRRREAT POINT!
Hey, you were right…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Sometimes things are not what they seem initially
I don’t see any posts on here today from Shark’s fans saying, “Whewwwww!!!!! Glad the Hawks didn’t saddle us with THAT salary albatross for 4 years!”. Seems Sharks fans are disappointed and Hawks fans are pretty happy to deal with the salary issues of having Hammer. So yeah, I stand by the lowball comment….especially DW being a D-man and being able to recognize the talent that was there for him to take. Looking in hindsight (and that might take a year or two), this may very well have been a very lowball offer.
You are really misinterpreting DW's comment.
He did not mean one of THE top 3 defensemen IN THE LEAGUE, he meant he would serve a top 3 role on a team. And lowball? The folks at your blog Second City Hockey pegged him at coming in at 2.5. 3.5 is a reasonable contract for someone his caliber and certainly not too high or too low.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree about Second City
but in hindsight, wouldn’t you say 2nd City was wrong? Plus the other question I have is, how much is it worth to not just add to YOUR team, but SUBTRACT from the team that is in your way? As a Hawk’s fan respecting SJ talent, the LAST place I want good players to go is SJ (well maybe Detroit but sides that)! Is that worth an extra 1/2 MIL a year?
I guess. But that means you don’t have 500k-1mil/year for your other players, including your starting goalie.
DW essentially forced your team to pay market value. He wouldn’t have offerred a contract to another team’s RFA that was undervalued. And presumably, the Hawks had made an offer that was significantly lower than the Sharks, or Hammer wouldn’t have signed the offer sheet.
Do you know?
Someone said Hammer wasn’t eligible for arbitration. I wondered why he didn’t go that route. Do you know anything on the arbitration rules? That way he could have stayed within the organization and gotten a pretty fair offer. Wonder what that award would have been?
Nobody said that here because 3.5 for a 23 year old d-man who plays well in his own end and has some size is a fair market-value contract.
But I’m sure the Hawks would have preferred to try to get Hammer to take a home-town discount and help them out of their salary cap bind. In other words, they didn’t want to pay fair-market value, they wanted to pay less.
Regardless, calling it a low-ball contract is just silly. DW wouldn’t have offered a low-ball contract to another team’s RFA. What would be the point?
Well
I wonder if Hammer shopped the league for THE best offer, or stopped at DW’s house? I’d guess some other team would have offered more, but don’t know. Bowman gave him a lot of compliments during the year and even said he has the potential to be one of THE best D-men ever, so I know he didn’t want to lose him. I do wonder if DW thought he’d be able to get him a bit on the cheap because he thought the Hawks couldn’t match the offer with the other cap problems.
I suspect no one else offered him an offer sheet, because, for the most part, offer sheets don’t happen all that often. And DW signed him to fair market value in his head, thinking if he got him, great, and if not, we lose nothing. And Hammer, after Chicago potentially lowballing him because of their cap issues, saw a good offer, and signed it, figuring he’d end up with either one of two good teams.
All just speculation, but its a good bet something along those lines is the actual story.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not one of THE top 3 d-men.
But a guy who can be a top 3 defenseman on A TEAM.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Saw it coming, but it still stinks.
Hjalmarsson would have helped vastly improve the Sharks defense corps this year. There aren’t many quality d-men out their in Free Agency (besides Mitchell, but his health is in question.) Besides Bieksa and Kaberle, is there anyone else being shopped?
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
To wit...
I don’t think it’s an either or situation. It’s going to be close and to be frank getting thru the year on the skin of our teeth. But I think the Hawks have a plan to keep them both. I think that the Sharks may have weakened the Hawks ability to sign someone like O’ Sullivan or a high risk, high reward guy, but we have enough depth at Rockford to field a team…
I honestly see no other option. You could trade Sharp, but Sharp is a great player at a great price, that wouldn’t be smart. Trading Sharp wouldn’t give you nearly as much cap relief, and it would probably hurt the team nearly as much.
Sharp was damn good at center
so bye bye Bolland possibly.
When in Rome we shall do as the Romans, when in Hell we do shots at the bar.
by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Same
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
So did Joe Thornton...
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you look at the corsi numbers Thornton actually had the most success when he was out against Bolland. Just because Joe didn’t like Bolland doesn’t mean that Bolland was shutting Thornton down, or that Bolland is an amazing player.
Agreed.
I just like that creepy picture of Davey.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That's creepy.
I like it!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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by HolyBlackhawksBatman on Jul 12, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
If Campbell would be up for it
Something like Marc Savard for Campbell would be an interesting twist, I don’t think the Bruins have the room though
They’re trying to dump Savard for salary reasons… not going to happen.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
I said it'd be interesting
But yeah, I did note that the Bruins won’t have the room.
OoOohHh i forgot about that. Apparently Campbell can designate 8 teams he’d like to be traded to, hopefully the Islanders, Blues, or Thrashers aren’t one of them.
Even if that trade happens — who does Chicago use in his place? They’ll get weaker, any way you slice it.
This is what happens when you give good players baaaad contracts.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
They could probably resign Kim Johnsson at a much cheaper price than Campbell if they really wanted another offensive defenseman.
Didn't you hear?
Kim Johnsson is dead
I'm not doing anything at work. Consider this statement as present-continuous.
Doug Wilson
at least we know DW isnt satisfied with the D we have and is trying to improve it, only problem is there really isnt anyone left on the FA market that can be top 4 guys except for MAYBE mitchell, now all thats left is the dreadful trade market…
If someone bails Chicago out by taking on Campbell and his horrific contract, I will fucking scream. It’s amazing how a team can get itself into such cap hell and then be bailed out by the dregs on the Eastern Conference…
I fully expected the hawks to match the Hjalmarsson offer. You don’t let a player like that walk. So we’re just back to where we were…a decent team with a shitty defense…
So, where do we go now? I see literally no one else that’s attainable out there that will help us out defensively on the blueline.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just saw DW this morning
Plan = progressing. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
CHI has what, now? 200K in cap space left? That's just painful.
Especially with the roster being so short right now
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Ouch, mate. I do feel for you guys.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Wait, does that include the Niemi estimate, or is SCH thinking Niemi walks?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
That is sans Niemi
That includes guys like Crawford and another guy on their 4th line. Let me pump some numbers to show where the Hawks are.
That'd be cool.
Ah, the joys of off-season. Who said it wasn’t exciting?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
//raises hand
I hate math.
I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious.
by AirTrafficAJ on Jul 12, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
lol.
okay that makes me feel better :P
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The one I'm watching this morning is LA.
Kovalchuk could shift the balance a little on the WC scale.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Hi guiz
(Note: this is a reference to/payback for this.)
by Germware on Jul 12, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
ah but he did look so much better in teal … shame … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
That's a lie...
Everything looks better in teal. It’s science.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It's true.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
He does. Brings out the color of his eyes.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
so dreamy....
:)
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
excelent point...
I’ll amend my original post to say, “Only one thing looks better in teal; Hjammer’s eyeballs’ color”.
By the way...
Hjalmarsson now knows he was loved by the Sharks and will play soft against them for the remainder of his contract… then he will join the Sharks as a UFA in four years.
…it’s my dream and you can’t change that.
the fuckin' fratellis
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I was so waiting for you to do that.
LOL.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Campbell is booed for a reason. Taking the penalty in the fourth OT that made us lose the series against our biggest rivals, and then leaving the organization for some BS “closer to my family” reason when it was obviously for the money is definitely cause for booing. I mean, nobody is going to boo Manny Malhotra, and he left for a ton of money in Vancouver. It’s all about the circumstances over the departure, not the departure itself.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So do most Chicago fans/NHL media who condemn us for doing it.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s gotten old the whole boo’ing Campbell thing. It was funny first few times. But now? (shrugs) The penalty was bound to happen in that game. We all knew it – Stars had gotten one, so it was just a matter of time that we received one. Campbell was just the lucky bastard to get it. And so he moved on for money and used some lame excuse. Time to move on.
Now boo’ing Pronger and Perry will never get old.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Hell, I like Pronger for trying to take down the Blackhawks, and I’ll still boo him with all my might. It’s just one of those things you do.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
I don’t boo Pronger. Dude is amazing…no need to make him madder and therefore more amazing…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll stop booing Pronger
if he joins the Sharks this year.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
as a Hawk fan...
I see no reason to boo Pronger. The guy gets away with way too much, but that’s not his problem. Good for him.
Besides, he’s a pretty good player and his interviews are a joy to watch.
Sadly, the only people that remember that game are Stars and Sharks fans.
The most remarkable damn game in NHL history….something we’ll probably never see the likes of again.
Especially if these guys that are advocating “high scoring games” have their way.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Never forget.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 12, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Greatest save ever.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
“That’s more than a save. That’s sheer brilliance.”
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
I still contend that Nabokov’s glove save in the first OT was one of the greatest saves of all time.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Me too
I just bought a Hjalmarsson jersey too I am f****** pissed $150.Niemi is ours now.Niemi or Theodore.On D Mitchell or Bieksa.
GO SHARKS GO
Oh, god I pray he's joking.
Like we have the cap for a 4th prospect.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
You know Im thinking about it.
GO SHARKS GO
by Thorntonfan19 on Jul 12, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s quite unfortunate
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
We already signed a goalie! Have you not been paying attention at all???
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
*Watches zero come unglued..
Cheers, m8!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 13, 2010 12:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
OMG I LOVE NIEMI!!!
WE SHOULD TOTALLY OFFER SHEET HIM NOW! HE WON A FUCKING STANLEY CUP, HE MUST BE AWESOME!!!!!
*brain asplodes
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
THORNTON FOR GILL!!!!1!1!!!
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Damn.
well, if I were you I’d sport it at the next Hawks@Sharks game like it was THE shit.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you rip the letters off
buy a W Y E and rearrange a little, you can have a perfectly good #4 jersey with NO WAY JOSE on it.
Doug Wilson...
…has extended a new offer sheet to Alex Ovechkin’s sperm.
the fuckin' fratellis
by ZenPop on Jul 12, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oh god I hope he’s careful where that sperm ends up
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
not to get too graphic here...
but if Cammi Granato is involved I hope the contract is for 40 years.
the fuckin' fratellis
The remaining hawks movables
The untouchable players.
Keith
Kane
Toews
Hossa
The players making roughly a million or less.(I rounded kopecks 1.2 down).
Kopecky
Reasoner
Brouwer
Stalberg
Scott
The remaining roster players.
Bolland 3.4
Sharp 3.9
Seabrook 3.5
Hjal 3.5
Campbell 7.1
Huet 5.6
Sharp is a good player and I dont see the hawks wanting to trade him.
If they were willing to take sign hjal I dont see them moving Seabrook either. They can still trade either of these players though.
The only people left for the hawks to move are Campbell, Huet, and Bolland.
Are the hawks at the cap roof before or after the Bonus penalty?
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
CapGeek - ChiTown
2010-11 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Cristobal Huet ($5.625m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 15; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $4.158m;
PAYROLL: $59.352m; CAP ROOM: $0.113m; BONUSES: $0.065m
- Basically the Hawks have no money and have to rely on their minor system/trades to compete this year. They don’t even have a 4 line yet….But yes, they have fire power. Yes, they have skill to move the puck. But who can see Huet playing in over 50 games, consistently and having good numbers?
- My hat is off to Chicago for trying to get these big guys but as we have seen, the long games (20+ Minutes TOI) takes it’s toll throughout the course of the year. I can’t say Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, Campbell won’t do it; I’m just saying it’s not smart.
- Ultimately, I have no idea what I am talking about. I have never, probably will never, own or even have someone ask me what I think about this whole cap situation. All I know is that Chicago doesn’t have much money to play with and they don’t even have a serious goalie at the moment.
by ilooklikeafat16 on Jul 12, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Huet
will not be around next season. Either we’ll trade him or move him to Europe/KHL or waive him. He won’t be here next season, almost certainly.
Trade him to which team?
If he goes to Europe, he comes back to your team in the offseason. It just means he chews up the 10% overage.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 12, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The trade
was the least likely option on there. The best we can hope for is a team still needing to hit the Cap floor takes him on, but that’s not gonna happen. The most likely option is moving him to the AHL and just letting him collect his paycheque while his contract runs out.
Trade chances
are better next yr, of course, with only 1 yr left but with him not playing in the NHL this yr, teams (even those needing to get to the cap floor) aren’t likely to take a flyer on him.
Hawks are probably just stuck with him for the duration of his contract and end up stashing him somewhere next year as well.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 12, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter if Huet will be around...
His number will count against the cap until the season starts and you can rathole him in the minors (or GASP! maybe actually play him). You can’t sign Niemi with money that ain’t there.
So matching the offer sheet means that Hawks mgmt thinks the team is better with Huet + Hjammer rather than Niemi + rookie d-man.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
yeah, but you can go over the cap in the postseason, as long as you’re back under it when the regular season begins. I’m sure the Hawks’ offseason plans will work with the understanding that Huet is not going to be on the cap, and they’ll fill up the team, just be over for a while, and then dump Huet in the AHL before the season starts to get back under the cap.
There’s no way they can put together a full roster with Huet on the team.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
10% limit for going over the cap
Right up until the week prior to the season starting. Basically, Huet’s contract is right around the 10% buffer they’re given. Which means that Niemi will be almost impossible to sign given their cap constraints. Once the season starts, you can get below the cap by demoting Huet, but until you do, HE COUNTS against the cap.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Well, yeah, he is their overage. But right now, they are at the cap with him counted…so they can still go about 5 million over while they build their team.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"That is not the offer sheet you are looking for..."
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 12, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lmfao!
"Don’t fuck around with Marleau. He’s like an incredibly awkward Jedi master." -adingoatemyname
by Pavelskinator on Jul 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
So, who’s next?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
let's all be optimistic.
Maybe he’ll start to SUCK next season, and then Chicago will just be overpaying out of their asses – RIGHT, RIGHT???
That’s not optimistic at all! I like Hammer, I hope nothing but the best for him. But since he can’t have the best (San Jose) at least he could be a good player anyways (and just ease up on the Sharks, since we got him PAID!) :-P
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I’m just being nasty :)
I’m still somewhat bitter about Chicago’s 4-game sw**p (still can’t say the word), so I wish them nothing but ill-will…!#$%!
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, I like Hammer, too, and was really excited about having him on our team. I just didn’t expect Chicago to match.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Kaberle
Kaberle wwill be a Shark by the end of the offseason I guarantee it.Oh and Sharp will be a Leaf by the end of tommorow I also guarantee that
GO SHARKS GO
I'd hate to be off-topic but,
now, how do we stop Kovalchuk from going to L.A.? I don’t wanna see that guy like 6(?) times each season. Anyone know any Russian Hockey spies who can infiltrate?
I wouldn’t worry … no way is Rudy lucky enough to get Kovy … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
I sure hope not – I mean, I like to watch that guy play – but not against the Sharks…….!
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey *I* wasn't the one that called the INS.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
No you wouldn’t call out any Russians, we know that! :P
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
First game on the road against the Coyotes, some Zonie will do a citizens arrest, claiming Kovy’s a drug-smuggling illegal immigrant stealing ’merican jobs.
by ievans on Jul 12, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Technically, that Arizona law just reinforces preexisting federal policy concerning illegal immigrants… Wait, politics. Forget it.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Sorry, I’m a bit touchy about it because some of my friends yelled at me for 15 minutes for being anti-illegal immigration, haha.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
no no it’s okay, we all have the right to our political opinions, and I’d hate to come on a hockey forum and feel dissed about where I stand on an issue, so sorry if offended you myself
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
(I get ridiculously touchy on certain issues- thank goodness no one’s brought up healthcare! LOL)
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem, I tend to have opinions that go against the norm, so I’m used to it.
And health care – I could go on about health care, but I won’t, since that’s politics and has potential to just blow up.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
yeah I could go on for days about healthcare, haha, but yes we’ll keep the discussions in the realm of hockey and/or topics that aren’t volatile :)
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok. Who wants to talk about the financial bailout, followed by an extra helping of 3rd trimester abortion?
now that you mention it, it’s been a while since I’ve had a 3rd trimes—- I kid, I kid.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
okay yeah we’d better stop there, before this gets into a heated political debate :|
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. I love their mad hockey skillz too much.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Convince him to sign with the Islanders for an obscene amount of money. This will solve two issues. One, Kovy will be in the East. And two, the Islanders wouldn’t be tempted to take on Campbell’s contract, thus bailing out Chicago, just to reach the cap floor.
Kovy needs to go to the Island.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a plan. I only know 5 words in Russian, which will do me no good in this situation.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear...
…there’s some hot redheaded Russian chick who needs a new job.
Anyway, I’m actually not that worried about Kovalchuk going to LA. Dean Lombardi will try to get him benched a la Frolov when he goes 5 games without a goal, and that’ll be that.
haha yeah and some hot Russian chick needs to step up.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh…I wouldn’t worry too much about Kovie just yet. Yeah, he’s put up impressive career numbers thus far, but he did it while playing on a lackluster team in a (largely) cupcake division and almost entirely in the regular season. He’s played in something like 7 playoff games ever. Who knows how much of a factor he’ll be in a division as competitive as the Pacific division.
I guess my point is that I’m not soundly in the Kovalchuk boat and I think his salary demands are preposterous for someone as untested as he is. That said, he could very well continue putting up these numbers, and end up being worth every cent.
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
True and he wasn’t all that great for the Devils in their brief playoff run this post-season
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, only scored a point per game. Meh ;]
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
A point per game doesn’t necessarily justify $10 million a year (rumored), let alone in a sample size as small as one playoff series. :)
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
Yeah, I'd say $10 mil is abit high.
But I still think he is one of the best offensive players out there. I’d say $8 million is just about right for him, but if he can get a bit more, good for him.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
yeah I was just thinking, he’s one of the best Dmen still available, I guess we’re back on that guy again
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rofl, I wish. That’s more of a pipedream than trading for Jan Hejda.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
(ghost rec’d)
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
I'd be psyched if we got him.
I wouldn’t count on it. But we do have DW, and if their were any GM that could be taken advantage of, you’d think it would be theirs. haha
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Darn
I wasnt expecting them to match…
Who else? Staal?
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
Thanks for the Memories Nabby.
You won’t get Staal on an offer sheet the Rangers have too much cap.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Wow, I totally posted THAT off the wrong post...
that was supposed to be off the Stars post.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Another reason to think positive, Sharks fans:
A good, young free agent signed an offer sheet with the Sharks, indicating that he wants to play in San Jose. We actually attracted good, young talent without having to trade for them or grossly overpay! I don’t think that’s ever happened in Sharks history.
So, basically, it means that San Jose’s reputation is going up, and more players not two years away from retiring/given the choice between being waived or traded here will come! Woohoo!
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Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Nice – good way to see this.
It was also nice to know that Nitty could’ve stay in Tampa Bay but chose to come here. Our reputation is improving.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm offski
cheers for having me and being able to take the pic of Hjammer the right way (I checked with a Sharks fan who said it was cool before I did it, btw). Hope I didn’t outstay my welcome, & best of luck next year, unless you play the ’Hawks of course :).
I would have said the picture was okay.
That’s more on the side of teasing, not insulting.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
yeah being goofy and teasing’s no big deal, this guy wasn’t being a jerk or troll so it’s all good :)
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for being cool and not trolling :)
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 12, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Germware--you're cool, mate. Thanks for keeping the other visitors in line.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
What do you do when your offer sheet is countered?
Go find another defenseman ya doofus!
I'll drink that! oh...I'll drink TO that, oh crap I quit drinking.
We have to win 7-6 with this lineup night-in and night-out...
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / * Mike Modano ($1.500m) / * Jonathan Cheechoo ($0.800m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Kent Huskins ($1.700m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $60.328m; CAP ROOM: $0.002m; BONUSES: $0.930m
Huskins Top 4 made me throw up in my mouth a little.
Why is Leach playing over Wallin?
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Wha happened to us bringing a defender?
by SJ#493 on Jul 12, 2010 4:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why bring in Cheech?
Frazer McLaren is a cheaper and better option than Cheech at 800,000. At some point, we have to let the nostalgia go and realize that Cheechoo would not fill any of our needs despite his (potential) low cap hit.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You also have Cheechoo in there
and getting paid $300,000 more than he is worth.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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The Blackhawks should worry more about signing Niemi
then Hjalmarsson. OH Well…Doug do the same next year for Brent Seabrook!!!!
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