What Chicago's Decision to match Hjalmarsson's Offer Means for San Jose
by Mr. Plank on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM PDT
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With news coming out earlier today that Chicago is planning to match San Jose's four year $14.0MM offer to defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson, here are a few thoughts that should serve as relevant to the discussion. TCY and I discussed the idea of Chicago being able to match the offer on our first podcast-- the only positive I can really take away from today is that I predicted they would match the offer, so there ya go.
Anyways, bullet points:
1) The Sharks still have a first and third round draft pick to play with at the trade table. I've covered the relative uncertainty of the Sharks first round selection in the past, showing that you're looking at about a 33% rate of 200 NHL games played for prospects drafted at the position the Sharks have held picks in the last three years (the 25-30 range). Giving up a first round pick for a player like Hjalmarsson is a great return considering his talent level, and you have to figure that Wilson will be more than willing to part with those picks if it means getting a younger player with more than one year remaining on his contract.
2) This will be the only offer sheet Wilson offers this offseason, unless he goes after another Chicago player. The chances of DW going after another RFA are quite low considering any other player who would be subject to an offer sheet would require an overpayment from the Sharks in order to obtain his services. Chicago is really the lone case where you can get a guy at good value (Hjalmarsson @ $3.5MM per) and have a prayer of actually obtaining him, due to their salary cap issues. Every other team has enough room to match offers such as these. Cross it out.
3) The hope of getting a solid defensive defenseman, and then making a trade for a puck moving one, took a big hit today. Here's the deal with San Jose's blueline-- they need a top three defensive first guy more than they need an offensive first player. This is undebatable in my eyes, for reasons I've mentioned countless times before (high shots against totals, a career year from Nabokov last year that hid a ton of deficiencies etc.)*. With Hjalmarsson out of the picture, you're going to have one helluva time getting both a shutdown and offensive defenseman with the trade chips you have in place.
*Every time I mention Nabokov's year last year it always makes me uncomfortable for one reason-- San Jose's decision to let him go. Just to be clear, I more than agreed with the Sharks decision to let him go due to the reasons highlighted in an article before it became official. It's just that I don't think it is going to be possible for Greiss or Niittymaki to approach a .922 SV% next season behind this type of defense, nor do I think Nabokov would have been able to replicate that effort either. Which means you need an upgrade on the blueline. Does that make sense? Yes it does.
4) The only UFA available who could play in a top three defensive role is one that had some serious concussion issues last year. Willie Mitchell's the name, shutting down opposing forwards is his game. So why hasn't he received a contract? Huge questions on his health. He was supposed to begin skating last week for the first time in about five months, but I've yet to read anything that indicates as much. When healthy he's a perfect fit for San Jose. It's just those health issues that have scared teams away, and if he doesn't return to his previous self, there's no telling where he lands on the depth chart. More on him tomorrow, but he's really the only option here in the free agent market for the Sharks top three.
5) Doug Wilson's great moments have been born of great opportunity. CAPS LOCK SO THIS IS CLEAR-- DOUG WILSON IS ONE OF THE BEST GENERAL MANAGERS IN HOCKEY TODAY, AND I THINK THOSE WHO CALL FOR HIM TO BE FIRED ARE SOME OF THE BIGGEST MORANS UNDER THE SUN. HE'S CONSISTENTLY PUT THIS TEAM IN A POSITION TO WIN AND CAN NOT BE FAULTED FOR EXCELLENT REGULAR SEASONS AND DISAPPOINTING PLAYOFF RUNS.
Long live Wilson.
Having said that, the hope that Wilson can magically pull two rabbits out of his hat this offseason and stay under the salary cap (top three defensive defenseman, Tomas Kaberle) ignores a couple things-- the fact that DW has cashed in on some very peculiar situations over the years. Whenever one cites his notorious trade steals, the names Joe Thornton, Dan Boyle, and Dany Heatley come to mind. These are the home runs that we've come to expect out of Wilson, but I'm just not sure he can pull off a double bomb this offseason.
Consider the fact that Thornton on the trade block was unknown to many GM's at the time-- Wilson was able to keep his lips sealed during negotiations and not let news leak, which allowed him to nab the Hart Trophy winner at a great price. It's not every day that a number one pick is dealt during the middle of the season, and it remains one of the bigger trades since the NHL Lockout. Dan Boyle was a product of inept ownership in Tampa Bay, when Owen Koules and Len Barrie came into the team and essentially forced Boyle to waive his no trade clause or be shipped to the minors. Dany Heatley had a highly publicized trade request from Ottawa that tied Bryan Murray's hands during negotiations, with Heatley basically choosing his team and forcing Murray to trade him there.
The current climate doesn't really have these types of opportunities available as far as I am aware, making a double whammy of improving both the defensive and offensive output from the backend quite difficult (assuming that the Sharks don't sign "Big Willie Style" Mitchell). It's really one or the other, and while I'd be more than content landing a strong defensive first guy and hoping that Jason Demers can start playing a larger role in the team, the complete defensive re-tool that would be the best case scenario just got more difficult.
6) The Sharks roster player trade chips remain the same. Ryane Clowe and Douglas Murray are the guys with the most value on the team. Everyone, including myself, always includes Kent Huskins in proposed deals to clear salary, but I doubt you get anything of value for him besides a low round draft pick. Same goes for Torrey Mitchell, really. Trading Devin Setoguchi is pretty bold considering now you're left with a lack of top six forwards (Heatley, Pavelski, Marleau, Thornton)-- you need to replace that production up top, and with Clowe gone, that has to come from outside the system. It doesn't make sense, both in a here and now sense as well as what he'll give you in the future considering his considerably high ceiling. Setoguchi stays.
7) The good news is that Wilson obviously is working to upgrade the blueline. Always a good thing to see, and something that will provide a point of comfort during what looks to be a long offseason filled with guesswork and cap crunching.
Go Sharks.
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So you're saying that Wilson should be fired?
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
I think so. I readit as:
DOUG WILSON… I…CALL FOR HIM TO BE FIRED
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Or maybe he’s calling for Doug Wilson to be set on fire.
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I think he would be resistant to that.
Have you seen how much time he spends in the tanning booth? I bet he uses one of those mirror things to reflect the light back at his face…..
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 12, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
If you’re referencing this comment from earlier today, you just may be the most attentive reader in the history of Fear The Fin.
This wasn’t a case of sarcasm though. I really do think DW is one of the best GM’s in hockey today for his entire body of work, although there are many things I disagree with him on (Wallin and Huskins’ contracts for example).
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Gee, I hope we can get thirty five more posts with capgeek rosters and 0.28 million in cap cushion. It’s July, people. I’m not worried that we will send a competitive team onto the ice in September, let alone October. Obviously DW isn’t going to do something based on what the fans want, so let him do what he does.
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Could this be a precursor to offer-sheeting Niemi?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
No.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No…that seems to be the biggest misunderstanding of this process.
RFAs that go to arbitration cannot be offersheeted.
Same as Seto for you guys.
If the arbitrated number is too big, the team has only one option. Walk away and let the player become UFA. ( Traditionally, arbitration seems to come out fairly fair. It all comes down to subjective opinions on a player though…so…both sides being totally happy doesn’t always happen either! )
The team can choose a one or two year deal.
Annd…as a fan of the Canucks, you guys getting Kaberle is fine with me. He would get you points…but not the defensive guy you want and need.
Seto Gooch did not go to arbitration.
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Oh…really?
There are some arcane rules about who qualifies for arbitration. The team can only ask for it once, but the player every year.
Hmmmm…wonder why not? You would think DW would want to have the protection.
I'm 95% sure we aren't getting another goalie.
Tell everyone else who thinks we’re interested in Turco or someone else.
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I'm at 99%
It would just be redonkeylous.
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by Noctro on Jul 12, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll be bold and say 100%, for the sole reason that Greiss at $0.5MM is way too attractive at both a salary cap and production level.
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I just wanted to leave myself a small window just in case.
DW could pull a Huskins-for-Vokoun trade and make me look dumb.
Although, in that case, I would kill to look dumb.
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I would have said 100%...
…but I’m leaving room for the offhanded chance that DW get’s plastered out of his mind, and someone dares him to.
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Oh good god, no
It would just be redonkeylous.
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I’m actually a little miffed that DW stuck to his stance on not paying for prime UFAs on July 1 this year. I understand why he does it…he doesn’t want to overpay or get into bidding wars. But, this particular offseason, our needs were pretty clear. We needed defensemen…and there happened to be a load of them availiable on the free agent market. Signing even just one of them this year on the 1st would have alleviated many concerns we have about our blueline.
This year, the trade market for D men is pretty dead, but the free agent market was deep. If there was ever a year to jump into the fray, this was it. I just fear this was one time when his MO actually led him astray.
That being said, i have confidence in DW to get us a solid roster before September. Just because I have literally no idea where we could possibly get a top-3 D man from at this point doesn’t mean it can’t be done.
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He did over pay for a UFA
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by sharks in oc on Jul 12, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I could have gotten 3 players for what he paid him
I should be GM.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 12, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still pissed we didn’t make a splash either considering it makes trade negotiations more difficult, but I have a feeling he went after Hamhuis and Martin pretty hard but just outbid. Hamhuis reportedly rejected contracts that were north of what he got from Vancouver, citing a desire to play in his home province, and Martin has been on the East Coast his entire professional career (as well as growing up in Minnesota and playing college hockey there). These are things that we generally have no insight into that play a big role in free agency.
Completely understand though. We land Martin and all of a sudden there are plenty of options in the trade market to improve just about every area of the team.
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I forget where, but:
I remember reading that the Sharks were one of the last teams involved with Hamhuis before he chose Vancouver. I think DW tries to get these big name guys, but they don’t want to play here either for travel concerns or think that we aren’t a legit hockey market (which we are.) That or they just hate great weather.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Its pretty tough to compete when the player wants to go home.
With Martins though, like Plank said, he played his whole career in the East.
Players are not stupid. In a performance based biz, its just easier for talent to get numbers in the East. The disparity between great teams and sucky ones is greater, or has been historically.
In the West, as you guys well know, the disparity is much less.
Couple that with guys that just like the East for the travel ( where they can take road trips by bus and train FFS )…and sleeping in their own bed every night…and its a miracle some players go to the West at all.
Like, let’s just say Bill Guerin is probably not coming West this year.
Canuck fans, like Shark fans, know we are usually in the Top 3 for travel miles. …how many times do you read a player giving his “list” to a team, and seeing maybe one or two elite West teams on it?
True, the appeal of playing for a hometown team is hard to fight.
No doubt Vancouver has it tough attracting free agents due to the amount of travel, but I feel you guys definitely have an advantage in attracting guys due to playing in Canada. Great point about the “list” too, the only time I remember seeing us on one of those lists was in Dany Heatley’s case.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
There are just guys you don’t even ask about.
Mark Rechhi is a perfect example of a player who got to be his utmost playing in the East.
His style, and being tired and shit while playing…I think he would have been injured a lot more in the West.
Teams like the Canucks, Sharks, Wings and Hawks( the last two having the advantage of being Eastern teams in the West )…maybe LA this year, and take the Flames off the list…its a lot easier to compete for FA when you are good…
I think only Van and the California teams have the advantage of “lifestyle” as a selling point.
Peace
Seems like we are the runner up a lot, I don’t know if I can fault DW totally. The Sharks have been in the conversation a few times for better or worse examples including Niedermayer, Redden and most recently Hamhuis so its not necessarily for DW’s lack of trying.
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Darn glad we never got Redden but we were close on Pronger and wow, this franchise would have fared so much better with him.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 13, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s true, we very easily just could have lost out because, as always, we’re San Jose. And if its a choice between the contending Sharks and their travel schedule, and the contending Pens or Devils, and their travel schedule, we’re still at a disadvantage. The only big name that came west was Hamhuis, and he was going home.
Still frusterating…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The morans pic is classic.
and on another note: OH MY GAWD WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE DEFENSE
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I say we give the $3.5 million we were going to give to Hjammerhead to Semenov.
bahahaha
Sorry, I couldn’t even get through that.
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YES
(I’m feeling very capslocky today)
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SEMENOV CAN PLAY ON THE PAVELSKI LINE.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 12, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Why Pavelski's line, when he could be the protection for Heatley and Joe.
And score 20 goals while he’s at it.
(Pretend this was in CAPS.)
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A few days ago I was watching Semenov highlights on youtube. They of course included his fighting roughings and getting shaving cream on his face from JR after being 1st star.
SIGN HIM ALREADY DOUGIE
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DOUG WILSON SHOULD OFFER SEMENOV $8.0 MILLION BECAUSE HE WILL SCORE MORE GOALS THAN HEATLEY. A TRAFFIC CONE COULD SCORE 10 GOALS PLAYING ON THORNTON’S LINE.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 12, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
OMFG NOOOOO!!!!!!!
I just sprayed Coke-a-Cola on the wall…AGAIN!
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How about Huskins and Mitchell for Beauchemin?
by skilletboy on Jul 12, 2010 5:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
pass
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by Karina on Jul 12, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
From whose perspective? I doubt Burke would do it! But if I was DW I’d pull that trade in a heart beat!
by skilletboy on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s not bad. He’d be an adequate Blake replacement, at best. I’d do it for Huskins and Mitchell in a heartbead…but I suspect Burke wouldn’t. Actually, I’m not sure we could get a bag of new pucks for Huskins and Mitchell. Maybe used ones…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Huskins and Mitchell as a pair have very little trade value. And if you think about it, the reasons we want to trade them are the reasons why people don’t want them! (MIND-BLOWING, i know)
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Funny how that works…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly why I said I doubt Burke would do it!!
Honestly the way DW makes his keep stealing other GM’s lunch money… I doubt Burke and DW would ever do a deal together. Not saying it won’t happen just very unlikely.
I was just really surprised to hear anyone say they wouldn’t take Beauchemin for our garbage!?
by skilletboy on Jul 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
double pass (both Leafs fans perspectives)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
please note the “Go leafs go” in my signature….
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh.. Doesn’t show up on the mobile site.
by skilletboy on Jul 13, 2010 4:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rangers has an asston of cap space
4.441m available w 21 man roster. Basically Staal is the last person that they need to sign
Sather went on a public rant about Staal’s asking price though. James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail keeps track of defensive stats, and Marc Staal was pretty high up there – not far behind Vlasic. Imagine having two of the top young defensive defensemen in the league on the same team? If I was DW, I’d offersheet Staal. Although it is difficult to figure out what salary is reasonable to sign him for, without risking the Rangers matching.
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by Karina on Jul 12, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, he’d just match an offer sheet. We’d have to trade for his RFA rights if we wanted him…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
If we want Staal it’s goingto be through a trade, not an RFA offer sheet.
Firstly: they could easily match anything that we would reasonably offer.
Secondly: a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, Murray, Mitchell, for Staal, NY’s 2011 3rd, 2011 5th, 2012 3rd.
Done Deal
I must admit I'm very nervous
I know DW is going to do something I just don’t know what. I agree with you 100% Plank in that our defense needs to be bolstered. I was upset we didn’t make a splash in free agency but I’m even more upset we didn’t trade for a defensive defenseman LAST SEASON before the deadline. I remember saying to myself after the deadline passed “we’re gonna make a run for the cup with THIS defense?”
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by waive kent huskins on Jul 12, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
Well as DW harped on last year
There’s still a ton of time to modify this lineup. ALLLLLLLL the way up to next season’s trading deadline. Almost got me wondering if he’s already has his sights on next year’s impending UFA defensemen. Not that I’m advocating going after gambling for a rental, but I wonder who’s contracts expire after next year that might be a decent bolsterer (not Wallin status either, eff that).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
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I’m with you on that comment. But that doesn’t stop people from panicking … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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Nothing will stop a herd from panicking. If Chicago had let him go and we’d gotten Hammer, then there would just be new posts outlining the NEXT big area of need.
I never thought I’d say it, but I’m glad there’s a salary cap. I don’t want an all-star team. I want players like Malhotra to sign to a one or two year contract to show everyone they can still play, and then get that bigger contract with someone else. Good on Manny for finding his cash cow.
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being concerned with the roster as currently constructed. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with voicing those concerns. I trust in DW. I also dislike our roster right now, and don’t see any legitimate options out there for making it better. I don’t see anything wrong with this, or anything conflicting in those two statements.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
All I’m saying is that obviously the roster isn’t finished. WE liked what we saw in Hjalmarsson, and so did Doug Wilson. HE is the one that has the final say in the matter, so speculating on who we can get is just … rosterbation.
I just feel sorry for the mediators, having to keep everyone sane with actual hockey news when the bar for what is worthy of a fanpost has clearly fallen.
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So is Dean Lombardi...
who would you rather have?
Easy there. Lombardi has shown that he can take a bad roster and make them a playoff team with good drafting and player asset management. He’s a competent GM.
He has not shown that he can build an elite team. Maybe he will down in LA? Dunno, and good on him if he succeeds. But I wouldn’t rank him among the league’s best GMs.
The Hjalmarasonosossssssononnnnn (Swedish Guy) was still a great move
He forced Chicago’s hand, and why the hell not….
What are they gonna do with Seabrook in a year now. Or Niemi this year.
The Blackhawks took a huge risk in cheating the cap, and it paid off. But they aren’t gonna win another unless the cap starts rising significantly.
we'll resign
seabrook and probably let Niemi go.
who knows. I am certain that Seabs will be resigned. We’ll have the $4.1 bonus hit off the books. It’s safe to say that Seabs will get a $1-1.75mil per season raise.
Unless you lock him in early or...
… he just doesn’t want to leave, he’ll get offer sheeted up to $5.5m.
And at that point, don’t the Hawks have to step back and wonder if they want that much tied up in their core? This year should be telling for you guys if you like filling your depth with rookies and washed up vets.
Sure, you can say you have a great prospect pool that’s ready to step in but once those players do and produce at the NHL level, they’ll need new deals and the Hawks won’t be able to retain them.
Anyhow, way too early to talk about Seabrook
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 12, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He's unlikely to get offer sheeted
Just because it’s super rare. Though who knows, perhaps DW is a trend setter.
trend setter?
What about Kesler, Vanek, Penner, Backes, Bernier?
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by Karina on Jul 12, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It is weird how it gets taken personally by some GMs.
Bobby Clarke was obviously right about Kesler, Vanek is overpaid but worth it sometimes.
Penner was the whipping boy until the fans saw last season how much of a beast he is ( the only player to actually move so far out of offer sheet guys, right? ). If he does that consistently than the Oil made the right move there, even if it pissed off BB.
Gillis really wanted Backes ( maybe still does! ), but St Loo plays closer to the floor than the Cap ceiling anyhow. They can match easy.
Gillis, in retrospect, should have just let Bernier walk to St Loo. It was a pure revenge thing from the Blues anyhow.
It does beg the question though, would DW, or MG, or any other GM actually, do the offer sheet if the other team would trade with them? I remember all the reports of some pretty fair deals offered to the Blues, but they wanted to keep Backes badly. I know Chicago had a couple fair offers from the reports for Versteeg, and even Ladd. They said they don’t trade with rivals.
Which is how they view both the Sharks and the Canucks.
Besides, its just bidness right? All’s fair and all that?
That's 5
Which isn’t really that many.
The trend setter bit should have been IN CAPS though, because I doubt other GMs actually succumb to peer pressure.
It’s an average of one per year since the lockout.
DW has made one offer sheet.
If anything, he’s just following the trend, not making it.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Seabrook will be resigned. I’m not sure where people started deciding he wouldn’t be once Hammer was matched.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that my opinion matters...
…but kicking your SCF-winning goalie in the balls isn’t the best marketing plan to sign his replacement.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
FUCK
NO FUCKING SALMON IN STREAM TASTES LIKE SHIT ANYWAYS LETS JUST BURN HONDA CENTER DOWN
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
Mmmmmmmkay......(?)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 12, 2010 11:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All I heard was “burn Honda center down”….
I’m in.
by skilletboy on Jul 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, on the bright side, at least there’s always money in the Banana Stand.
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
Unless we burn it down…
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
Twitter! rmorse05
by sharks in oc on Jul 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
When there's trouble....
You call DW!
Cheech...WHO?
"We're the Fucking Sharks!!" -JenLovesHockey
by JumboHeatedPatty on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
OMG i had DWD's game for Gameboy
I’m talking original 1989 Gameboy (i believe that game was 1992), and that shit was the shit.
Seriously: Gameboy Dark Wing Duck was fantabulous.
I really really
like that you guys have watched Arrested Development.
Now just step aside and let Carl Weathers steal your money.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 12, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions
Dude, there is *always* money in the banana stand.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
by Noctro on Jul 13, 2010 12:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone’s late to the party. It’s ok, I’m halfway to getting out of this office and into a steaming bowl of soup.
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
by OtherKid on Jul 13, 2010 7:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
love it.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
Twitter! rmorse05
by sharks in oc on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 13, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Impact of SJ's offer on Chicago?
What was the net impact of the SJ offer? Did Chicago actually end up paying more for Hjalmarsson than they otherwise would have with the SJ offer? Or did the SJ move simply accelerate an offer from Chicago that would probably been made anyway for a similar amount/term?
It just forced Chicago to start making decisions if they wanted to keep a top 3/4 D-man with huge potential.
Sure, it wasn’t a huge hit but it did make Chicago now re-evaluate who else they are going to keep and for what cost. I wouldn’t say it was intentional but shit, it did make things start rolling.
by ilooklikeafat16 on Jul 13, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Think about it from the GM’s perspective, and the RFA’s agent. Stan Bowman probably wanted to resign Hjalmarsson for less than $3 million a year, because Niemi is going to arbitration, and they need as much cap room as they can to keep both Hammer and Niemi. Hammer’s agent probably had some idea of what the Hawks were prepared to offer.
Hammer’s agent wouldn’t bother going to the trouble of negotiating a contract with the Sharks unless it was significantly more than the Hawks wanted to pay him. Doug Wilson wouldn’t bother negotiating a contract that would be easily matched by Chicago. What’s the point? Even if DW didn’t know what the Hawks were offering Hammer, the fact that Hammer’s agent went so far as to negotiate and sign an actual contract meant that the Sharks offer had to be more than the Hawks, and likely for a longer term.
My guess is that Chicago is paying $500k-1 million more a year for Hjalmarsson than they wanted, and that money may not seem like a lot until it’s basically the difference between being forced to let their starting goaltender walk as a UFA post arbitration or not.
by ievans on Jul 13, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice breakdown. Well put.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 13, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to be a bearer of bad news…and it is only Eklund…(maybe its in that less than 5% time he is right )…but he is saying today the Sharks are the lead in the Kaberle sweeps…mind you…he has Setoguchi going ( which is stupid )
As a fan of an opponent…that is fine with me. Should mae the game more open and high scoring.
Is he the right guy to replace Blake?
Not necessarily.
He reported we were in on Heatley early on. Although, it was until he said we were out when we got him.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
In fairness Heaters gave a list of teams that he would accept a trade too which the Sharks were on and Eklund started throwing darts.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
I'm just saying, he can always come back tomorrow and say we're out on Kaberle
and then we get him.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
We have been talking a lot about Kaberle on here
Not me, but other dudes.
Apparently the dream was to land another puck mover (Kaberle for Clowe, Murray or Seto) and a shut down (Hjammer) and dominate all teams in our path on the way to Stanley Cup Glory.
Apparently we’re now stuck with Wallin and Huskins and we are crying in our beers even though it’s only July.
Is he the right guy to replace Blake? As long as he takes lots of hooking penalties and spears Corey Perry in the nuts, he’ll fit right in.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Eklund is now also proposing the Sharks are in on Kovalchuk...
Here's my twitter
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Hahahahaha
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
LOL oh wow it’s on his Twitter: http://twitter.com/Eklund/status/18461385968
WHAT is he thinking…lol
The only way that could be possible is if we traded Thornton or Heatley or something.
Honestly i wouldn’t mind trading Heatley to the Rangers for Staal, and then Signing Kovalchuck at around his same cap hit. Kovalchuk and Heatley are pretty comparable players, and Kovie is a right handed shot which is a better fit for Thornton, plus we’d get Marc Staal!
lol….i think i’m losing it. Eklund’s wild fantasy rumors are messing with my head.
YES!!! Khaaz finally gets to drop a beer!!!!!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I think you mean "Kovalchik"
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Fools and Sages
Haha, yeah, saw that. We’re in on Kovalchik! I hope he’s good!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Eklund will say whatever gets his site more readers.
My sources are telling me that the Sharks are going to trade Thornton to Boston for the 1st they have of Toronto’s, and then sign Kovalchuk, and roll with no center and only wingers (E18.5).
See, I can make Eklund rumors too!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
We DO have a lot of centers. Pavelski, Marleau, or Couture could center either of our top 2 lines with good success i’m sure.
I definitely wouldn’t want to trade Thornton though; i wanna see him retire a Shark. Heatley on the other hand I wouldn’t mind trading, if we could a top 2 defenseman for him or something.
You, sir, are taking my made up Eklund style rumor far too seriously…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost think Eklunds rumor is so crazy that there might some truth to it lol. Why or how else would a rumor like that start, even Eklund should know that we don’t have cap space for that and it makes no sense for our team. Maybe DW is getting desperate and is looking to trade Heatley or Thornton for a top 2 defenseman and then pick up Kovalchuck.
Or maybe i’m just LOSING MY MIND!
Malone to Sharks? (e2)
According to my sources within the Tampa Bay Lightning organization, the San Jose Sharks are willing to part with D Dan Boyle, a 1st round pick and C Joe Thornton to obtain the services of LW Ryan Malone. Remember, you heard it here first!
Awesome
by SharksFanTillDeath on Jul 13, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait...didn't Khaaz propose that one earlier?
(ducks)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Haha, yeah, saw that before. Good stuff! I wonder if Eklund actually uses it…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I WOULD DO IT IN A HEARTBEAT
According to my sources within the Washington Capitals organization, the San Jose Sharks are willing to part with C Joe Thornton, D Dan Boyle, LW Danny Heatley and a 2nd round pick to obtain the services of D Mike Green. Remember, you heard it here first!
pssshhh... the 2nd is overpayment.
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Holy shit LMAO
Sturm to Rangers? (e4)
According to my sources within the Boston Bruins organization, the New York Rangers are willing to part with D Wade Redden, a bucket of fried chicken, G Henrik Lundqvist to obtain the services of LW Marco Sturm. Remember, you heard it here first
"Playing Detroit in the playoffs is like paying your taxes. You either pay now or pay later." - Suisun Dan
Kovalchuk to Lightning? (e5)
According to my sources within the Atlanta Thrashers organization, the Tampa Bay Lightning are willing to part with D Victor Hedman, a bag of pucks and C Vincent Lecavalier to obtain the services of LW Ilya Kovalchuk. Remember, you heard it here first!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
See, I made up this Eklund rumor…an hour later, he posts his blog saying we’d have to move Thornton to sign Kovalchuk. You can call me E4!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Use Heatley to trade for Marc Staal, sign Kovalchuk to replace him, trade Clowe for Kaberle, resign Seto…Baby you got a stew goin!
Didnt he waive it to come to SJ
Doesnt that mean it’s out the window now?
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
I'm pretty sure it is.
But still. If Heatley’s traded I’ll eat my hat.
.Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club
Eklund's source
"Playing Detroit in the playoffs is like paying your taxes. You either pay now or pay later." - Suisun Dan
Don’t be hating on the source!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Kaberle, and have thought all along that he’d fit in nicely on our blueline. We need a way to get Boyle less minutes, and this would definately do that. However, we need a shutdown guy to pair with one of them first (Vlasic can be paired with the other one). Kaberle wouldn’t be a terrible addition, IMO.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow…I just asked about Kaberle?!!
You guys got a good one going with getting Kovy…is there a big music biz there for his wife?
hilarious rosterbation….
“DOMINOS”.
The power of Eklund…ridiculous rumors at a ridiculous pace!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you ever see "Let it Ride" with Richard Dreyfus?
Just think what ever Eklund says is exactly what WILL NOT happen… his 4% accuracy rating is useful only is reverse…
by skilletboy on Jul 13, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
hey just a question
what is so good about staal? i hate ny teams so i always change the channel when the rangers are on
by withintheruins14 on Jul 13, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
would anyone go as far as to say as he’s better than hjaamlerson short and long term?
by withintheruins14 on Jul 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a more proven player
He has 3 seasons under his belt in the NHL as opposed to one full season for Hjammer.
He’s also a lot bigger, and somewhat of a scoring touch too.
He was + 11 on the Rangers last year! No small feat.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Sorry, I guess he's not that much bigger.
He’s also not as cute.
Sorry Ladies.
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Ladies? Please...
This team’s from Cali. Everyone appreciates pretty…
by HitThePost on Jul 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
naw man
you can be butt ass ugly only if you can mow down someone flat we like ya too. :) Its just a perk that Murray is yummy.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 13, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Including BH mgmt
They pay what it takes to keep his golden locks in golden handcuffs.
It’s okay that he’s not pretty.
Pretty + Useless = Do Not Want
There’s always the internet if any of us are looking for “pretty.”
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"Pretty + Useless = Do Not Want"
/Mark Bell
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Jul 13, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He seems decent. But no real word that we’re pursuing this guy, right?
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The one thing i liked about Hjaalmerson was that i always heard his name during the playoffs.
I was always like, who the fuck is Chalmerson?
by withintheruins14 on Jul 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, funny, I believe it should be pronounced HYALmarsoon, but it makes sense to turn HJ into CH, because phonetically that’s like [hdʃ]> [tʃ] which does totally makes sense from a linguistics/acoustics point of view.
Sorry I had to get nerdy for sec there.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Short term I think its easily Staal.
Long-term, it’s more of a toss-up. I think Staal can chip in offensively more, but Hjammer may be better defensively when its all said and done.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
you want Campbell back?
we’ll take Clowe and Huskins off your hand and throw in some picks and prospects.
nothin but smiles
my Captain is better than your Captain
by Johnny Lava on Jul 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Not for that cap hit.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Agreed, which puzzles me as to why he is boo’d since with Campbell we wouldn’t have gotten Boyle and I think Boyle is better.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Look up the word "rejection"
It doesn’t sit well in the Shark Tank
Oh I get that, but it was really a “blessing in disguise”
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
In an alternate universe Brian Campbell is hoisting the Cup in teal…
Here's my twitter
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Boyle is definitely better.
Leaving was the best thing Campbell did for us.
But the way he did it ruffled people’s feathers. He had that amazing streak with us and then bolted for more money. It seemed like he was selfishly taking money over a Cup. (And he ended up getting both.)
Not to mention the fact that he took the penalty that Dallas scored on and then bolted.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
I can understand why some people are bothered by the booing
but I don’t think the whole “we got Boyle because he left” thing makes sense as a reason NOT to boo him.
I mean, for example, let’s say a player leaves a team in a really bad way (not saying that’s what happened with Campbell, this is just an example) and after he leaves they get a really amazing player who they like even better than the player who left. But the player who left was still an asshole and still left in a bad way, it doesn’t make sense to be grateful towards him even though his vacancy allowed the acquisition of a player you really like. See what I mean?
Honestly, the booing Campbell thing doesn’t bother me at all. Do I hate him? Not really. But it’s fun to have someone to boo and root against. I mean I don’t really hate Huskins anymore, but I still like to shout at him during the game, “Goddamnit Huskins!”
What I would like is if people would just stop talking about the booing like it’s a big deal. Boo if you want, don’t6 if you don’t want.
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Exactly.
It makes the game more fun if there’s a real antagonist on the other team.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
No to Campbell, and if you want Huskins, we’ll trade him for a couple o’ hockey sticks.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Or....
just the promise of a couple of sticks. Or, nothing…
The promise of chicken?
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
That depends. Classic, crispy, or grilled?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Don't worry, you won't get the chicken. It's just the promise of chicken.
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
It’d probably be easier to answer the question, “what’s NOT good about Marc Staal?”
And the answer would be that he’s probably not better than Chris Pronger yet.
Agreed, he has amazing potential.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
Twitter! rmorse05
by sharks in oc on Jul 13, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
oh thats whats up. see all i know is he’s a staal brother.
by withintheruins14 on Jul 13, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions
Hey I thought of something last night........
and it may not be an original idea at all. But why isn’t Dougie W looking to the KHL for some quality defenseman? There’s 20 teams over there and i’m sure he can find someone with some talent willing to come over for a shot at success in the NHL. Has anyone brought this up yet? Am i really the first person to think of it?
Ivano! I assign you to this story.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I tried going to their website to look at some stats last night......
I felt lost………..it was kinda like hey he looks good from his stats……..and he’s 23………..but who knows.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah i saw all those comments yesterday.......but Seminov aside.....
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
lets get serious with my suggestion people.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't they say Andrei Zyuzin was on St Pete's?
There’s your solution.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
YES
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
He might be, he might not.
I mean there’s no way of us knowing.
Here's my twitter
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club
Doug Wilson hates Russians...
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the ammunition stats that confuse me....
…I think it’s because they use non-NATO rounds still.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
If Wilson is looking for a young defenseman that will have an impact (ala Hjalmarsson),
then there are really only three guys left on the market that fit that check. Mark Staal, Ian White, and Erik Johnson. It seems as if Wilson can’t offer sheet them so he would most likely have to trade for them.
I forgot about Ian White.
I might be interested in him. He’s got some pretty decent offensive numbers, don’t know enough about him to know how he is defensively.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Never mind, White filed for arbitration...
so unless Calgary walks from his price, it seems as if he will be a Flame next year
Calgary has no cap space to keep him, they will either have to trade someone else, sign and trade white, or walk from arbitration.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point.. I didn't look at their cap space..
And they have 10 players with NTC/NMC so it could be hard to move someone.
Oh, that just piqued my radar up.
That could be something DW might be watching.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I really hope it's Regehr.
Hopefully Sutter is crazy enough to trade him to the Sharks for a bag of pucks and some Gatorade.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 13, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
eh, Ian White? you mean Flamer pornstache Ian?
I didn’t think he was all-that last season but …he wasn’t bad.
Know nothing about Johnson, to be honest.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
13 goals, 25 assists. Not too shabby.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
oh shoot I'm tripping
He was pretty good in the Olympics for team USA, I remeber him now
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah I liked him in the Olympics. I don’t know what it is, it’s that name Erik Johnson, it didn’t stick. I think I personally know like 3 Erik Johnsons
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It took me a minute to remember him – yeah he’s huge. We could always use another big fast guy like that
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I just read this on Yahoo. Dont know if its true.
St. Louis Blues: Did you know Erik Johnson(notes) can’t be tendered an offer sheet from another team as a restricted free agent because he missed the 2009-10 season due to injury? So on top of that freak accident, the demonic golf cart also cost him bargaining leverage … wow.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Blues aren’t trading Erik Johnson. Dude is going to be awesome for them for many, many years.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Erik Johnson would be amazing, but the Blues have wayyyy too much cap space to even consider letting him walk.
To be honest I forgot about White as well. Good player who matured very late in his career, if the Flames let him walk after arbitration that’s a solid guy DW could take a look at for the right price. He’s definitely an upgrade over Murray or Wallin, and could swing onto the second pairing with Vlasic for a nice little puck moving tandem (who, admittedly, wouldn’t be very physical— they might get pushed around a bit).
If you pick up a solid defensive defenseman alongside White I’d be more than happy with the top four— he’s cheaper than Kaberle and would allow you to do a lot more with the roster.
Good call there kiwi. I can dig it.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
Grrr...
I just hate Ryan Garner. That guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Total DOUCHE!
just had to get that off my chest.
kthxbai
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
Yeah, I read that blog too.
I completely agree with you.
I’m wondering if he purposely plays Devil’s Advocate all the time.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
But one thing we can agree on...
…is every day we hate what Garner does.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
I don't know if I'd call it Devil's advocate.
It’s the good ol’ Hockeybuzz Say-something-so-ridiculous-that-it-outrages-everyone-so-i-get-page-hits thing.
Here's my twitter
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Yeah
That guy doesn’t make sense. I like how after we lost this year he was so matter of fact in saying that our window of contention was over. If it was up to him we would blow the team up everytime we don’t win the cup.
I don’t know that he has ever said anything positive about the Sharks.
Love how
he says we should’ve just kept Errorhoff (ummm… Heatley anyone?) and that T-Mac is a terrible coach b/c he finished first in the Western Conf but didn’t win the Jack Adams award. WTF?? Douche-nozzle
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
Not just Ehrhoff, but Rivet and Carle.
He’s against bringing in Boyle. That alone should tell you he’s an idiot.
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If I ever see him in person
he better hope he’s wearing a cup.
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
I miss Rivet, I wish there was a way we could have kept him but that said Garner is a dork. Look the Sharks didn’t win the cup I only had a 1 in 30 chance of being wrong I is so awesome.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Look the Sharks didn’t win the cup I only had a 1 in 30 chance of being wrong I is so awesome.
HAHA. Exact same running joke my friends and I have about him. Good freakin’ times.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Brodie hates Garner too!
Yeah, he's quite awesome.
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Agreed. He’s pretty awesome on twitter, like tweets people back and answers questions and stuff. His BFF is Scott Nichol, apparently, haha. That he grew a playoff beard pretty much endeared him to me permanently.
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Fools and Sages
That was epic. bahahah
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"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
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Anyone who’s BFF is Scotty Nichol is awesome. Nichol’s one of my favorite Sharks.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Brodie really is quite the guy, he’s grown on me a lot as well.
"San Jose is where I want to be at the end of the day, and there's an opportunity now to make it there. It is where my heart is." - Jamie McGinn, 2/22/10
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Brodie is awesome...
…we went back and forth on the Niitymaki nicknames the day he became a Shark. Funny schitt.
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Anyone who thinks McClellan isn’t awesome is completely tarded.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
and tarded again
which makes him retarded!!
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
nice.
I’ll have to steal that from you
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If it was possible to be reretarded...
…(do I really need to finish this?)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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Please tell me that Wilson has no interest in Niemi!!
This would be terrible especially since we already have goalie depth and Niemi isn’t even that proven of a goaltender
Doug Wilson has no interest in Niemi.
Here's my twitter
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Doug Wilson has literally zero interest in Niemi.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unless they start adding more nets to the rink
We’re full up on goalies
I thought that was part of the 2010-2011 rule changes to increase scoring.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
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Doug Wilson has a lot of interest in Niemi
Nah I’m kidding. He has no interest in Niemi.
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think you guys might find this interesting: the Province thinks the Sharks might target Bieksa.
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Summer is boring. Give me hockey.
thanks Missy!
Bieksa’s not someone I’d want, though, unless he comes cheap. He doesn’t sound cheap.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Or what do I know, I only watched him in the playoffs, so I can’t say anything about how he is in the reg. season
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, you don’t like anyone, do you? Ian White, Kevin Bieksa…both would be pretty good additions to the blueline!
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, I guess I don’t!!! No, actually I’ve only seen Bieksa in like 5 or 6 games or not much more than that, so I admit I don’t know shit, and Ian White about the same. I just remember watching Ian look surprised in an interview when the lady said he had a pornstache. (Oh c’mon, like he didn’t know…!)
I was hoping for Volchenkov, Hjalmar, Zybnek, sigh, all impossible for us to land.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping for Volchenkov, Hjalmar, Zybnek, sigh, all impossible for us to land.
Yes, everyone was hoping for those…or Hamhuis, or Martin, or…the list goes on and on.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
His name has popped up around these parts a bit. He seems like he’s be a decent Blake replacement.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's not perfect. But I'd much rather have him top 4 than Wallin.
Although, I am fine with one of Murray/Wallin (preferably Murray) paired with Boyle.
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Well, if you add in Bieksa, I think you almost have to keep Murray-Boyle together, and then go Vlasic-Bieksa, and Demers-Wallin. Then Huskins would need to be traded for a bag of pucks as a salary dump most likely. Not exactly the top pairing D man we really need, but that’s not a terrible blueline either, I guess.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
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Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm
maybe we could make a deal here. similar to last year’s actually….
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Summer is boring. Give me hockey.
See, I’m actually not sure the Sharks match up well in this case. We’re not really in a position to take on salary on the blueline unless it significantly upgrades our blueline…and the Nucks need to shed salary from their blueline. I mean, it could always happen, and would be a decent move. Just not sure it would be an ideal fit…
who knows
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he’s not Paul Martin or Marc Staal…but he’s also not Kent Huskins or Nicklas Wallin…he’d pretty much bring us back to where our blueline was at last season…which, right now, would be an upgrade over where it is currently.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If Wallin is as good as Bieksa, none of us should be freaking out over the contract he signed…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah 3.75 is way more than I would’ve expected.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Btw, I googled Kevin Bieksa
the image results that came up on the page gave me a giggle.
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OH THANK YOU
I have to credit you now for stumbling upon Dr. Faith’s Fantasy Hockey
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I shoulda’ posted a warning. That link provides an image of bare male butts.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
NSFW! OW! OW!! BLLEDING TEAL FROM MY EYES! MAKE IT STOOOOOP!
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Oh no!!!!!! I'm sorry, everyone, for the nekked male butts!!!
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll tried to find a female version to make it all better…
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, actually, I’d better not piss off the wives and girlfriends :|
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
^Since it's NSFW and disturbing all the straight males here
maybe someone could mark that post as Inappropriate and the powers-that-be will delete it? I can’t flag it myself.
by JenLovesHockey on Jul 13, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
oh dear god. just ignore those first 2.
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Summer is boring. Give me hockey.
I was hoping Bieksa had a type of wedgie named after him.
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Does he Twitter?
If he does, Then he’s in!
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
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That's Huskins' job
He’s penciled in as “The Problem Solver”
Latest from Eklund......has he ever seen Thornton play?
All this comes into play as a third team has entered the Kovalchuk Sweeps (or as one source has termed it as of today, “The Clusterchuk Sweeps”…The San Jose Sharks. They would have to move Thornton to make this happen…likely to a team out East who could afford him for one year and would benefit from his scoring and one year deal…
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Haha oh Eklund… What a dumb ass.
If this did happen though, we could have some sweet lines and Thornton could bring in some real D and prospects/picks.
and i think he loves san jose
he always makes it seem like wants to make babies with the entire city.
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah i can’t imagine Thornton being traded.
Although if he did get traded, (for Marc Staal maybe since i think the Rangers want a center for Gaborik) we could resign him next year as a UFA.
Agreed, but the cap would be a problem.
Love Thornton I just hate the big contracts we have when more depth is needed…
I will probably get shit for this but I wouldn’t mind seeing Thornton or preferably Heater moved for younger cheaper talent and prospects.
Yeah its crazy to think between he and Garner that so much stupidity can be found on one page.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
Psh, I said the same thing before he posted his blog…he must be sourcing me for his rumors now…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
LMFAO!
FTFsTCY
Out your ass, maybe. RT @Eklund: Trade winds may be a-blowin’…..
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Summer is boring. Give me hockey.
by missy on Jul 13, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Your signature is truth by the way
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yeah, i know. it’s been so slow that i’ve been putting up daily open threads at NM to keep everyone entertained…
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Summer is boring. Give me hockey.
He's not such a pretty boy anymore
Now that Sherrif Shane Hnidy rearranged his face!
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You guys think DW has considered calling Chris Chelios yet?
They probably played together for a few years and he’d probably sign cheap!
by SanJoseLandShark on Jul 13, 2010 5:27 PM PDT reply actions
Rofl…I’m not sure he’s old enough yet.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 13, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Leafs fan here
What do you guys think about Kaberle for Clowe straight up? I don’t need any homer responses, just want to know what you really think. Other leafs fans think Kaberle is worth more but I think Clowe is a perfect deal for him. Agreeed?
by Schenn4captain on Jul 18, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions
I think that’s the general consensus around here. I mean maybe we’d add something like a 4th-round pick or something like that, but nothing else worth too much.
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I actually think the draft pick would be coming from Toronto
3 years of Clowe for 1 year Kaberle and a 4th (more likely a 5th, 6th or 7th)
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