This Week in Wishful Thinking: Marc Staal
Back in the days of the old west, when the people were a bored and impressionable mass of lowly farmers, men used to roam the land offering tonics and cures. These men would make outlandish claims, appealing to the population's wildest imaginations. Their proclamations sounded too good to be true.
In retrospect, they were. The men selling their wares were flannel-mouthed liars trying to make a quick buck. Peddling false hope, they played into the restlessness of the townsfolk in a selfish attempt to increase their page views.
Well, they were after money. We're after page views.
Money isn't really an option since we're eating cardboard cupcakes every day of the week anyways. What's more true is that, right now, at this very moment in time, we're guilty of pulling at your heart strings. The title says it all. Plank and TCY are here to work you into a fervor over a player who has very little, if any, chance of donning a teal sweater next year. In all honesty, that may be worse than greed.
And the worst part? We're completely cognisant of it.
However, Marc Staal is a sexy name, and rightfully so. At just 23 years of age he's developing into one of the world's premier shut-down defensemen. He'd fit the Sharks like a glove. He's a better player than Hjalmarsson, he's a better player than Tomas Kaberle, he's a better player than Willie Mitchell, and he's a better player than Kevin Bieksa. If he was a UFA this year, it's entirely possible he would have made more money than any defenseman on the market.
We usually wouldn't even bring him up, assuming that a player of his caliber would be untouchable for any price. Young, elite shutdown defensemen don't exacly flow out the pipeline (unlike goalies, yuk yuk yuk*). But when the notoriously dependable David Pollak brings him up in a print article as a potential target after the Hjalmarsson fallout, there's some credence for discussion.
*With Dustin not blogging anymore, we're pretty committed to getting at least one "yuk yuk yuk" reference in per week.
So take a ride on the bullet train while we wax poetic about Marc Staal.
It's no secret that Rangers GM Glen Sather isn't the most skilled talent evaluator or shrewd negotiator when it comes to unrestricted free agents. Bobby Holik, Scott Gomez, Wade Redden, and most recently Derek Boogard, have all secured a very healthy standard of living thanks to Mr. Sather. He's willing to fork over the cookie dough to the kids before they finish their dinner.
But when it comes to his own RFA's, Sather is notoriously cheap (gasp!). He'll drag negotiations through the mud, refusing to give players close to fair market value. He knows that he has the upper hand in the negotiations, and he holds that card close to his chest.
For example, take last year's contract dispute with center Brandon Dubinsky. Now, Dubinsky isn't all world (like Staal), but he's a young player with upside and a decent track record. He scored 41 points in his contract year, and 40 the year prior. He likely deserved a contract in the $2MM to $2.5MM range, but Sather wouldn't budge.
The team gave Dubinsky a qualifying offer of $522,000 for one year. Dubinsky, one of the Rangers better offensive players, thought the offer unsatisfactory. Instead, he held out until training camp, finally agreeing to three year contract which pays him $1.85MM annually.
Staal looks to be in the same boat as Dubinsky was a year ago. During the draft in an interview with the New York Times, Sather described the gap between the two camps as a "chasm."
In Staal's situation, he's in exactly the same position Dubinsky was in last year. Where that's going to end up is anyone's imagination. He's a good player, we like him - just like Dubinsky: we'd like to have him back, we think he's got a long future, we're going to treat him fairly. Sometimes agents don't recognize that - leverage works both ways.
Although we know Sather is trying to keep the interview even keel, the situation is a bit different. Staal is a much better player, and this isn't a question of accepting a qualifying offer. Staal has reportedly already turned down a multi-year deal from the Rangers front office worth $3.5MM annually.
If Sather is smart, he'd pay Staal a figure closer to what he's looking for (likely around $4.5MM on average) But why, you ask, is Staal worth so much?
Because he's that good.
A quick look at his statistics in comparison to Rob Blake paints the picture of a player who, all at the ripe age of twenty three years old, would immediately be able to come in and play on the top pairing in San Jose.
Last season Staal was, to put it lightly, a motherfucking shutdown machine. In all honesty, this guy could probably break down Brad Pitt's game at a bar and walk out of the establishment with Angelina Jolie on his arm without anyone thinking twice about it. He's a stalwart defensive defenseman with some offensive upside, able to outscore opposing team's top forwards every single night of the week. Premier. Young. Still improving. Huge frame (6'4, 209) with an opportunity to add weight and become even more physical than he already is.
The guy's a goddamn knockout punch to the kidneys of all those who feel the Sharks blueline could use an addition or two (raises hand). He's an upgrade and then some, giving Doug Wilson more than enough opportunity to bolster the offensive abilities of the entire roster.
Steady your loins, FTF faithful. Steady them.
If added on to San Jose's roster, Staal would likely split time between being paired with Marc-Edouard Vlasic and Dan Boyle. Either of these options are intriguing-- with Boyle he would be more than willing to log the herculean minutes San Jose's number one is known for, and with Vlasic, they would comprise one of the most elite young pairings in the entire league. Killing penalties, scoring chances, and the hearts of men and women alike, it would be a surprise to us if we would survive the summer without going crazy with the thought of watching them play together.
The way we see it, there are two possible ways to acquire Marc Staal. Neither of which, however, is really within the realm of possibility. In an exercise of futility, though, let's throw some darts at the wall and see what sticks.
One offer sheet, shaken but not stirred.
Although many thought that Doug Wilson wouldn't dip his tan toes into the pool of RFA's, he signed young defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson to a four year, $14MM offer sheet. Wilson would have owed Chicago San Jose's first and third round picks in 2011 as compensation.
It never got that far, as Chicago matched the offer sheet. However, the attempt by Wilson told us a few things. First, he realizes that he needs to improve his blue line. That's a fact that helps us fall asleep when we rest our little heads on our pillows.
Second, it showed us that Wilson isn't afraid to get the guy he wants, even if it has to be done by unorthodox methods.
Shooting an offer sheet Staal's way would be an unorthodox method, to be certain. However, he'd need to up the dollars from Hjalmarsson's deal if he does indeed want Staal in San Jose. Staal's already turned down a $3.5MM deal from New York; an offer that low would essentially play into their hand. Staal would never sign at that price because he'd effectively just be signing the same contract that the Rangers offered him. They would match, plain and simple, getting the exact deal they wanted.
There are really two levels of compensation to play with here, under $4.63MM would be the first. Between that number and $6.18 would be the second. Anything under that first number would require the same compensation that signing Hjalmarsson would have. The second, and more realistic scenario, would require a first, a second and a third as compensation to New York.
New York would likely match anything under six without the bat of an eye. But is that the tipping point for them? Blue Shirt Banter thinks no, as the Rangers would likely still match the offer and put Wade Redden on waivers to free up the cap space. They have the cash on hand to make a player like Redden simply disappear, no madder how expensive he may be.
"The only type of offer sheet that would force the Rangers to walk away would be a 6.5+ million dollar deal. Mainly because they could waive Redden if they had to," Joe Fortunato of The Banter said over email. "But at the end of the day if you were willing to drop 2 first round picks a 2nd and a 3rd then it might be worth it just to let him go, because he isn't worth 6.5 million dollars at this point in his career."
An offersheet of this size would cause some pretty hefty ramifications on San Jose as well. Suppose Staal were to sign with San Jose. That $6MM would eat up all of the Sharks remaining cap space before Devin Setoguchi had even signed his new contract, believed to be in excess of $3MM annually.
It would likely mean the end of Clowe, Murray, Mitchell, and Huskins as San Jose Sharks. Although some may not be against that idea, remember: Wilson would be playing from a position of weakness, and would have to move these players for no where near their actual value. Moving Clowe for near nothing wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise, and the cap issues would put Wilson in sticky cap situation to start next year.
The second option is the trade route. A DW specialty.
With an offer sheet essentially out of the running due to the fact that a) New York would match it immediately if it was a reasonable price and b) anything at an unreasonable price wouldn't be tendered by Doug Wilson due to a myriad of cap complications (along with his aversion to overpayment), the trade front would be the most likely possibility swimming in this sea of unlikely possibilities.
And at that point, you know every single piranha in the sea would be circling the New York carcass waiting to get a piece of Staal. He's a hot commodity, and Sather would definitely use that to his advantage.
According to Joe Fortunato of Blueshirt Banter, the price would be quite steep in order to acquire Staal via trade.
"For starters you would be looking at at least a first round pick, and then probably a top prospect. We wouldn't be looking for a defensive prospect in return perse, since we have like 12 in the system," Fortunato said via email. "Maybe one of your younger players like Pavelski instead of a prospect. It sounds steep, but realize that Staal is 23 years old and is by far and away the best defenseman on the Rangers."
In reality, we think that even might be lowballing a bit. So let's play Devils Advocate for a moment. Pavelski just inked a four year deal which makes him a non-factor in trade negotiations, leaving Ryane Clowe and Devin Setoguchi just about the only pieces Wilson has to work with. Although we believe in Setoguchi just as much as anybody out there in the city of San Jose, the fact that he barely cracked the twenty goal mark last season probably means he isn't as valuable right now as he would have been with a healthy season. Furthermore, the Sharks first round pick will likely be in the latter stages of the first round, making it just about similar to the 31-40 selection in the second round.
If we're Sather, we ask for more and use competition to bid up the price. Plank and TCY have debated this off-site for the last two days, finally coming to the conclusion that it takes at least Setoguchi, a first, and either McGinn/Ferriero + another first to get in the ballpark of where Staal's price would be. Staal is still going to be an RFA next season even if he signs a one-year deal, making him all the more attractive for potential teams who wish to acquire his services. The fact that he's one of the best shutdown defenseman in the League today makes him appealing too, for obvious reasons.
And at that point, no matter which way you cut it, Staal's contract still needs to be signed. $4.0MM is the absolute minimum you get him for following a trade, with $4.5-5.0MM a likely possibility. That cap hit, coupled with the loss of offensive talent in McGinn and Setoguchi, makes it very hard for you to make up the goal scoring capabilities up and down the entire roster.
It's a tough price, and one that Wilson would very likely be asked to pay. With that kind of offer hypothetically on the table, you have to figure he looks elsewhere and attempts to find a much more manageable solution to the defensive issues without sacrificing young offensive talent who will be relied upon to score goals next season (as well as into the future).
We are your sugar water. We are your tonic. We are the fleeting cure that will never materialize.
And, on some level, we almost wish that the near impossibility of this deal would have kept us out of the story editor and instead planted us in front of the XBox with a nice big bag of baked Cheetos.
But during these summer days, when news is running slower than Jean-Paul Jean-Paul at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992, it's something we can kick around at the end of the work week.
Even if we'd be better suited to a life in limbo with Dom Cobb.
Go Sharks.
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I will gladly pay you Tuesday
For a Marc Staal today.
I'll drink that! oh...I'll drink TO that, oh crap I quit drinking.
by theneverman on Jul 16, 2010 7:21 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Great Piece!
Here’s my favorite part:
Last season Staal was, to put it lightly, a motherfucking shutdown machine. In all honesty, this guy could probably break down Brad Pitt’s game at a bar and walk out of the establishment with Angelina Jolie on his arm without anyone thinking twice about it.
But I would love to have Staal on our team
Yeah that was comedy
I love all the Staal bros and would love seeing any of them in a teal jersey.
Clowe, Ferriero and a first rounder I could part with but not Pavs (obviously) Seto nor McGinn
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I think anyone would.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Twas my point.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You also forgot the Chris Drury signing which is also terribad.
While Sather sucks at Free Agency, I think he’s one of the better traders out there (see Gomez to Montreal, Kotalik and co to Calgary). You could try dangling Murray as tradebait. Sather is notoriously infamous for buying into the hype of experienced veterans over young players.
If I were DW, I’d wait for Chicago to officially match if they haven’t already and then make the offer of 4.5/mil per year, assuming Marc Staal signs it. Not to mention the Rangers just drafted another defenseman in the first round so Sather might figure to let him go since he’s stuck with Redden deal for the rest of it as no one is willing to take a sniff on the guy.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 16, 2010 8:33 AM PDT reply actions
What about Clowe, Ferriero, Murray + a 1st?
Throw in a 2nd if you have to, and then sign Staal to 5+ years for 4.5-5.5 mil a year. The point is if you are going to give up that all that talent to get one guy you have to make sure it is not a one year rental, (maybe a sign and trade?).
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When I was asked to write this up
I tried looking through your prospects on Hockey future but really didn’t see anything I liked. That’s where Pavelski came up, because I know that the Rangers had their eyes on him since the Olympics.
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by Joe Fortunato on Jul 16, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
As did most other teams. There was no way that Doug Wilson trade Pavelski last year: I saw the rumor on your site at the trade deadline, actually, and I’d have to say that was about as far off as it gets.
Pavelski is about as close to untouchable as any player on any team. He’s a leader, a point scorer, and even somewhat of a playoff hero.
However, the assumption is that Staal is pretty close to as untouchable as Pavs is. Difference being, Pavs already has a contract. I understand that you need that WOW factor for him, but it wouldn’t be Pavelski.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
When I was looking at their site (Blueshirt Banter),
I noticed that they are voting to try and get a app for the iPhone, blackberry, and other mobile phones. Just as a side thought, that would be great for FTF!
Do not want.
Too expensive and we’d have to give up way to much.
I think people are over reacting a little bit when it comes to our defense. Now don’t get me wrong, I do not want to go into the season with this D, but it’s not as bad as people are making out. I feel we have three 1st pairing defenseman in Boyle, Murray, and Vlasic. Murray and Vlasic are great shutdown defenseman, and coaches and players have said that Boyle’s defensive game is horribly underated. I feel all we need is a good 2nd pair guy who can take minutes away from these three so no one is over worked. I would be happy with it being in the 2-3.5 mil range. In fact, I will go so far to say if it’s a good reliable shutdown man, our d should be considered in the same league as the Flyers’. That’s how much confidence I have in these 3 guys.
Also, I would like to see our bottom pair be made up of Demers and one of our shutdown prospects. I doubt this will happen because of all the people we have signed for the 3rd pair. But I want to get our prospects into the action and really start developing some at the NHL level.
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No way is Murray a first pairing defenseman. He played there last year, yes. And he was ok, but he’s too slow to be able to actually shut down the top end talent…which is something a top pairing shutdown D man has to do. Vlasic isn’t physical enough, and while still good, is a really solid second pairing D man, not a first. Boyle is a top pairing, and while his defense is underrated, he’s not a shutdown guy in any sense of the word.
The problem we have is that while we have good players, they’re being asked to take on roles above and beyond their capabilities. Murray and Vlasic look good on a second pairing if you have that top flight guy to put on the first pairing. Wallin, Huskins, Demers…lower line guys who are servicable…but if asked to play too many minutes, well, we’re in trouble.
We really do need a first pairing defensive guy to make our defense work. We currently do not have one.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I might disagree on Vlasic
I think he’s entering the phase in his career where he IS ready to become a top pairing D-man. He lacks consistent physicality, sure, but pair him with the right guy, someone in the young Rob Blake mold, and that’s a true top PAIRING.
If only there were a young, big, shutdown d-man available, possibly through offer-sheeting or trade…
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If only there were a young, big, shutdown d-man available, possibly through offer-sheeting or trade…
Unfortunately, there is not :(
Vlasic is good…I just don’t see him as top flight good. He’s the next tier down. Great player to have on your team, but you still need that top flight guy…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Lidstrom did very well for himself and Vlasic fits more his mold (with less offensive upside mind you) and isn’t a physical guy. I was impressed a couple of times in the final games of the season and playoffs with a couple of hits Vlasic threw on opposing players. Although some of that may be due to the fact it was Vlasic throwing them. Murray is indeed too slow and really got exposed against the Avs and Hawks.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 17, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
We have a perfect first pair defenseman
if we could only combine Murray and Vlasic into a single player… quick, dependable, physical and great stick-work D-man.
Mike Babcock's wife thinks Joe Pavelski's a STUD!! Enough said.
Murray's physical, but I wouldn't consider him a shutdown d-man like Vlasic.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd like Staal In teal but...
Here’s the main reason why it won’t happen. Why would DW overpay for Staal and give up picks/players if he wasn’t willing to just overpay for D. Hamhuis or P. Martin?
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Staal is younger and arguably better than either of those two.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, that’s also assuming either one of them wanted to play for SJ. They both went to teams seen as contenders as well. I believe Hamhuis wanted to go to Vancouver any way you look at it as he shunned by Pitt and Philly to get there. Martin may have wanted to stay in the east.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
They both went to teams seen as contenders as well.
San Jose isn’t seen as a contender?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
“as well” being the key point. So it’s not like they’re opting just to get paid, they also got paid by good teams. I don’t think SJ was ever really in the cards for Hamhuis, and I somehow doubt it with Martin, it sounded like he really wanted to go to Pitt
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
SJ is a contender too…the point is that we couldn’t use “we’re a contender” as a trump card when the other players are NJ, Pitt, and Vancouver…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Hamhuis reportedly accepted less money for a longer term and to play near his home in BC with Vancouver. Honestly, I think Hamhuis is about as likely to live up to the hype as he is to flop monumentally like Beauchemin did in Toronto. He’s a tad overrated because Weber and Suter are the top pair and the Preds are a very defensive first team.
As for Martin going to Penguins, it’s tough to say no to playing with Crosby and Malkin when they’ve recently won a cup.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Both those players are also just examples. Why not offer 4.5-5.0 for hammer then either? DW just doesn’t offer up those contracts to those type of players. I doubt he’d give up so much for Staal.
It’s funny because two weeks ago people were rending their clothes and throwing ashes on their heads at the idea of overpaying for top UFA’s… Now suddenly we want to overpay for a different free agent AND give several top picks??? Am I missing something?
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There are others that wouldn’t agree. I probay wouldn’t agree either. It’s really difficult to compare. But either way the point is DW doesn’t like to overpay for top talent. I find it difficult to believe that he’d overpay AND give up so many picks..,
I think a trade is more likely that getting Staal.
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
With Staal the only option as far as offer sheets are concerned is just to vastly overpay and hope they don’t match (like Vanek and Penner).
Hjalmarsson wasn’t overpaying and was gambling that Chicago would just take the picks and figure this was a way out of cap issues.
There is a reason this post was prefaced with the notion that it’s a flight of fancy and has almost no basis in reality. Staal would cost far too much to trade for at this point in his career.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
The offer sheet for Hjalmarsson was a win-win scenario for the Sharks. If they pass, the Sharks get a D man they wanted. If the Hawks match, then they have to get rid of another piece of their cup championship team which strengthens San Jose by weakening the Hawk; a conference rival.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 17, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, so remember, this is just a rosterbation, more of a dream than reality...
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Devin Setoguchi ($3.500m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / Mike Modano ($1.000m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Cameron MacIntyre ($0.600m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Marc Staal ($5.000m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Denis Grebeshkov ($3.500m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $59.796m; CAP ROOM: $0.319m; BONUSES: $0.715m
*Assume that we trade Clowe, Murray, Ferreiro, and a first to New York…
Looks amazing.
But yes, more of a dream than a reality.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
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by sharks in oc on Jul 16, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this roster
more importantly I think this roster could win a cup! I would probably play with the top two lines to even out the scoring, (swap Seto with Patty). I would go with Willie Mitchell over Grebeshkov for a true shut down line but it would be for the same money, (3.5) so no problems there. If we can’t get Willie, (or he doesn’t pass the physical) I think Grebeshkov would be my second choice in the FA market.
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I only put in Grebeshkov because I don’t want to take the risk on Mitchell. He is a good player, but with Greb, you don’t have to worry about concussion problems (although Greb had a testicular injury last year). And with Grebeshkov, Ivano gets a Russian on the team!
I have the same concerns over Mitchell
BUt if he gets a clean bill of health I would take him over Grebeshkov.
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Isn’t Greb’s an offensive minded guy? I think he’s more comparable to Kaberle than he is to Mitchell.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Reading this was like being a dirt poor child standing on the periphery of his circle of friends, listening to them talk about their new video game consoles. You’ve filled my head with stunning visuals and wanton violence, with networked co-op and heart pounding action…and then I go home and all DW got me is a cardboard box and an old Barbie, her hair already shorn off by some petulant rich girl, one leg half melted from being left in the sun, and I play with them alone until dinner.
You should do this more often.
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by strongrobot on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
...jerks
Stop toying with my shutdown defenseman related emotions!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
I have the solution
Thornton for Staal. No seriously.
Flame suit on.
Thornton has a NTC
And I don’t think he’d want to play in NYC anyway. All three big 3 have NTCs. So, no dice.
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Cap Geek says that Heatley doesn't have a NTC...
I know he signed with one, but when he waived it, did he waive it for good?
I think he did…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually am not clear if NTCs go away
But sure, let’s assume Heatley has no NTC. MAYBE you offer Heatley for Staal. MAYBE. Question then becomes does anyone back East want him after his relatively disappointing season with us, and all the drama associated with his tenure in the Eastern Conference? I highly doubt that.
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I'd have to believe that we could get more than Staal for Heatley... If you were just looking at paper.
But those are good concerns that should be addressed
Oh for sure
I’m just saying if you’re doing one big name for another big name, Heatley is the only contractually movable player due to the lack of NTC. For sure we’d get either picks or prospects back. Maybe even roster filler or cap dumps from NYR, but I’d rather have picks or prospects.
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Sather has a Dr Jekill/Mr Hyde GM complex. He’s amazing at fleecing people in trades but he makes really bad FA signings.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 17, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
With what money?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So it would work with about 17 other trades involved, I see…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LRN2COUNT?
There’s 1 trade involved, Heatley for Staal. The ‘dream’ part of it is that Kovy would be willing to sign for only 7.5 million with us to win a cup, but I don’t think that’s THAT crazy, stranger things have happened.
Ian White isn’t a necessary part of the roster, i just think he would be a great addition as well. He would presumably be picked up as a UFA after the Flames realize they can’t afford his arbitration price.
Ian White coming in (he’s an RFA). Murray, Huskins, and Mitchell going out. They have to go somewhere…and find willing trade partners. We aren’t sticking them all in the minors.
Besides, exaggerations makes a point.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
like i said, Ian White isn’t necessary, but I don’t think the Flames will resign him at his arbitration price so he could possible be picked up as a UFA after arbitration fails.
It wouldn’t be hard to find somewhere for Murray and Mitchell to play, we wouldn’t be asking for much…Huskins we could send to the minors if worse comes to worst.
If the hardest part of making that roster happen is finding places to dump Murray, Mitchell, and Huskins then maybe that roster is more realistic than i thought.
Who passes to Heatley and Marleau, then? Why have super high priced wingers if we have no badass passing center to set them up?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Marleau moves back to center. But yes the NTC is the major hurdle. I just don’t know why no one talks about moving Thornton as a solution to clearing cap space/defensive upgrades.
You answered your own question
Thornton has no desire to leave San Jose. Especially not for a cluster you know what like the Rangers that play in a pressure cooker environment.
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Marleau’s not a center anymore…and he’s definately not a table setting center that we need for those wingers.
Also, you don’t trade away one of the best centers in the league just to clear cap space…That’s how you become a bad team.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
See: Bruins, Boston
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Most of the Savard trade talk is being generated solely from Toronto. Take it with a grain of salt. The Bruins are more interested in moving Thomas or Ryder.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 17, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Do the Bruins have an anointed backup in place if Thomas does get traded? Or is it gonna be a competition for that spot?
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Nope. The original plan was for Thomas to be #1 and gradually have Tuuka take over. Thomas didn’t play bad this year except in the W-L ratio. Rask was stellar and with their offensive woes they had no choice but to go with the hot hand to make it into the playoffs.
However, due to the fact that the last 4 Finals goalies have been mediocre or streaky at best, there isn’t a strong goalie market for Timmy so the Bruins will likely not be able to move him so a plan of signing a guy like Nittymaki, Chris Mason, or a Dan Ellis was not in the cards.
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly true, the initial rumour started from the Boston Globe I believe. But Ya, Toronto sure perpetuated it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 18, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You do when his game is declining, he had the second worst +/- of any player on any team in the playoffs, and you’ll either have to overpay him or let him walk for nothing after next season.
+/- is an awful stat. Thornton was one of our best players in the playoffs. Shit, I really don’t want to get into this argument again. If you aren’t watching the games and drawing conclusions from +/- in a small sample size, there’s really nothing I can say here…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
His +/- was bad but he was a beast against the Wings, all the talk of Joe under preforming should have died in that series.
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Watched every game at least twice. He was great in the Wings series, and was MIA against the Avs and Hawks. This is because the Wings aren’t fast and he needs time and space. Against fast teams like Hawks and Avs he’s far less effective. This phenomenon will only get worse this coming season.
Also, while +/- is a flawed stat it is by no means useless and when a player’s is THAT much worse than all of his teammates it does in fact mean something.
Joe's +/- was deeply influenced by the fact that Patty and Heater were largely useless against Chicago
I know Patty had goals, but he was a -2 in a series without much special teams time. Heatley was playing with a torn groin. And that line was on the ice too much. They were playing upwards of 20 minutes a night. Thornton gained a lot of ice and puck possession, but had no one who could do anything with it playing with him. Chicago collapsed to the front of the net every time, and Heatley and Marleau wouldn’t go anywhere near it.
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Won’t argue with any of that. As usual I’m just talking bang for buck, and for $7.2 mil worth of cap space I expect better than 22nd in points per game and dead last in +/- amongst centers that played in this years playoffs.
Bang for buck might be fair
But this season was a very different animal. Thornton may have underperformed on both the stat sheet and on the ice in previous playoffs, but this season, he was a beast on the forecheck and opened up a lot of ice. He also finally had elite wingers playing with him for probably the first time in his career, but at least one of them was injured, and the other was certainly less than 100%.
I think Joe’s game is the kind of game that won’t diminish too much over time. Legs may fade with age, but hands do not.
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The problem with Big Joe is that as this league gets faster every year there is less and less of a place for players that rely more on their hands than their legs. Lack of team speed in general is what killed us against the Hawks.
Which is not to say that Thornton isn’t capable of being effective with very little time and space (see: unbelievable lightning-quick series clinching setup to Patty against the Wings) but I don’t think he likes to play that way. His default mode of slowing things down REALLY hurts him, and the Sharks, in the playoffs when things are happening that much faster.
The league might get faster every year
But the game is ultimately won or lost in front of the net.
The Hawks had a MONSTER transition game for sure, not going to deny that or say speed doesn’t help. But that’s where a player like Marleau or Heatley or Setoguchi is supposed to help you.
In the case of Joe, he’s a puck possession guy. That kind of game is NEVER going away, no matter how fast the league gets. If you can’t take the puck from him, or have to commit a second player to trying to get the puck from him, someone’s open. I think the offensive zone set created from a guy like Thornton is never going to go away. That’s how you draw penalties and wear teams down.
And he did all that. His linemates, in spite of being so supremely talented, did little with that space.
Joe didn’t have an outstanding defensive series by any stretch of the imagination. In that instance, yes, speed was an issue. But if we have an improved blueline this season, I wouldn’t worry about that killing us. Our slow footed d has to bear more of the blame of Chicago getting the best of us.
If you want a case of whether hands matter more than legs, look at Calgary. They have, or have had, a lot of fast guys, and an elite player in Jerome Iginla, but they’ve been missing a pure setup man for years. What could be a decent team has become a bit of a joke and is rapidly sliding downhill. By and large, with Joe, this team has improved.
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Your points are well taken, and I don’t think there’s any question that the Sharks have improved while he’s been here.
However, I think the facts that he was wildly outperformed by a center who at the time was making more than $5 million less than he was and that as a “pure setup man” he had fewer assists than his completely hobbled winger simply cannot be ignored.
I personally don’t believe the Sharks can win the Cup with Joe Thornton as their top center. Then again I don’t really have a great solution for replacing him either.
I really don’t get the “Joe Thornton will never win the Cup as a Shark.” Does he make the team worse or something?
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No he definitely doesn’t make the team worse.
The problem is that to win the Cup you need more than that. The top line center is arguably the most important player on the team after the goaltender (I know, many will say top defenseman is next, its debatable).
Look at the last 5 Stanley Cup winners: Toews, Crosby, Datsyuk, Getzlaf and Staal are all significantly better playoff performers than Thornton.
Thornton is still a great player, he’s just proven that he doesn’t have what it takes to lead a team to the Cup, and whether you like it or not your top center is a leader of your team.
How is it proven?
Your logic is basically saying “He has never won a Cup, therefore he can’t.”
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Not at all
My logic all of the recent teams that won the cup had top centers that performed MUCH better than Thornton during their playoff run.
Such a performance is one of the many ingredients that are required to make the run all the way to the Cup. If a team is missing that ingredient (which so far it has been, and no I can’t prove Joe won’t make a leap next year just like no one else can prove he will) then their chances decrease dramatically.
Pavel Datsyuk’s playoff stats prior to winning the Cup:
2002-03 4 GP 0 points
2003-04 12 GP 6 assists
2005-06 5 GP 3 assists
2006-07 18 GP 16 points (8+8)
2007-08 (SC) 22 GP 23 points (10+13)
The rest have too small of a sample size.
I’m not saying JT will win a Cup. My point is saying Joe Thornton will NEVER win a Cup is a bold, bold statement.
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“I’m not saying JT will win a Cup. My point is saying Joe Thornton will NEVER win a Cup is a bold, bold statement.”
I’ll go further and say that saying “Joe Thornton will NEVER win a cup” is a load of reactionary, whiney drivel that has no basis in reality and really a person uttering it should be punched in the face for wasting my time. They’re as stupid and annoying as douche bags that pretend to talk to ghosts or think that Nostradamus could tell the future.
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The usual level of class from this poster, as well as the usual level of comprehension:
Didn’t say Thornton would never win a Cup, but instead that the Sharks wouldn’t win one with Thornton as their top center. There’s a difference.
I never quoted you, I was referring to people who say Joe Thornton will never win a cup. There are plenty, they should all be punched in the face, they’re idiots.
Not that you are far off, perhaps bitch slapped would be enough.
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Rofl. I enjoy when you go on the warpath…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It was hot and humid all this week. I have no hockey and stupid people are pushing me over the edge. I try not to be a dick, but sometimes I can’t help it :)
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Be a dick...
we like it.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the only rage we'll get this time of year
beat his face in!!! Hipcheck and board his ass!!! WHOOOO!
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa Ms Clowie is out for blood. For good reason. I believe we can win the cup with Joe on our team. He’s been very good to us so far.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Love it. How’s that short fuse treating those ulcers?
Whenever I see tough guy message board threats of physical violence all I can think of is this:
Who you calling a tough guy?
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Violence like this?
I will smash your face into a car windshield, and then take your mother, Mrs. SharkFanSB, out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Man not calling her is going to far!!! (ps: i do know the reference)
by animadiversion on Jul 16, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ha ha! is it quarter end for everyone here? :)
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LOL
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Wide Mode RULES!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It does really. I didn’t use it ’til the offseason because I had to get used to it. Now narrow looks funny!
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I don’t think we use TWSS often enough…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I know...I've been lucky. :P
I was always the victim of those.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate wide-view.
It just looks wrong.
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I'd do it if I could do it.
Wait.
That didn’t sound right.
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FAIL.
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naw that was a pretty damn good burn
its just Noctro is a guy…wants to protect his fellow man-friends :P
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like man and woman can be hit by a TWSS no matter what the circumstances are lol. It makes things easier and TWHS just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hoooooley crap. We've hit the widescreen indent limit, people.
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OH NOES! THE WIDESCREEN LIMIT!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
"CAPTAIN! SHE'S GIVIN YOU ALL SHE'S GOT!"
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Ain’t over till the fat lady sings!
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree completely – there’s no hierarchy in terms of leadership vs. position and the correlation between the two, at least anywhere else besides on paper. That’s just another example of how statistics, etc. on paper often are thrown out the window once reality is taken into account. Where there is a correlation is between skill and leadership – and generally, the most skilled players on a team will be EXPECTED to step into leadership roles, as other players will look up to them by default based on their skill on the ice, and stature within the league. Whether or not that should be the way of things, and whether or not said skilled players are capable of stepping or have any desire to step into such a leadership role is an entirely different discussion.
I will concede that Thornton’s easygoing personality can bite him in the ass at times, particularly during crunch time when nobody wants to step up and lead. One point that was made about San Jose on HNiC radio a few months back that really made sense was that the Sharks have no shortage of players that could and should be leaders based on their skill, and that fact was actually screwing them because it seemed every player that fell into that category just assumed that someone else was going to step up and take the reigns. I think that in a way set the table for Pavelski to step up the way he did in the first two playoff series.
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When has top line scoring been an issue for the Sharks? It seems that our goaltending is either flaccid or the secondary scoring has disappeared…
I think people still think Jumbo will magically turn into Mario Lemiux one day…. Joe is Joe… He’s not part of the problem. If he continues to play the way he played this last PO’s then we’ll be fine…
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Strawman argument. Toews outperformed him on an entry level contract. They had to pay that kid 6+ as an RFA just to keep him going into this next season. He also ended up making about 4M due to bonuses.
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And he’ll continue to be a better value per dollar in the playoffs than Thornton has been/is/will be well into the future even at the new pay grade.
Joe Thornton post season PPG as a Shark:
2006 .81
2007 1.0
2008 .76
2009 .83
2010 .8
Jonathan post season Toews PPG as a Hawk:
2009 .76
2010 1.3
Sidney Crosby post season PPG as a Penguin:
2007 1.0
2008 1.3
2009 1.3
2010 1.5
Pavel Datsyuk post season PPG as a Wing:
2002 .28
2003 0.0
2004 .50
2006 .60
2007 .89
2008 1.0
2009 .56
2010 1.0
Staal post season PPG as a Cane:
2006 1.1
2009 .83
Hmm… looking at those numbers it looks to me like they’re all pretty similar except for Crosby, but nobody is saying Jumbo is Sidney Crosby (or at least I’m not).
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly this just made me cry when I was looking at Crosby’s numbers. Little bastard is too good.
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The numbers are sad
but the facial hair is clearly on our side.
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Also, Toews numbers were inflated this year because Luongo plays like everybody think Nabokov does in the playoffs.
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Luongo is awesome, I have no idea what you are talking about!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
Toews and Crosby’s facial hair is terrible.
Maybe that’s why they are so good, they arent distracted by looking good.
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They harvested it for later use.
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People really have to stop using Chicago as the example of the only way teams win a Cup. Chicago wildly overspent the cap, and that was with a bunch of top players still playing under entry level contracts. If you have a team that is so putrid that you have a billion top 10 picks over a long stretch…eventually you will have a deep, young, fast, talented team…until you have to pay them. Chicago was in a very unique situation in that all their good, top draft picks came together at the same time while still cheap so they could add a few high priced FAs and make a serious run. It paid off, but they’re paying for it now.
No one has ever won a cup like that. Ever. And to decide that everyone has to be like Chicago and go get themselves a Toews “making 5 million a year less than Thornton” and rely on that to get us a Cup is stupid. It doesn’t happen that way.
Thornton is a playmaker. He also now has finishers around him. He’s not the guy who’s going to score all the goals..he’s a passer. If his finishers are finishing like they should, Thornton looks like a god. But it’s very team dependant. Don’t overlook him just because he didn’t put up gaudy numbers…he needs his linemates to do that too…
Fuck, I said I wasn’t getting involved in this again…I’m out…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Applauds
Very well put Zero.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you...
…but I don’t think there’s nothing to learn about how the Hawks won a Cup.
Anaheim actually had a similar run where their top players were playing on their first or second contract, and thus were performing above their salary. Which allowed them to pay for 2 Norris winning d-men. But Anaheim also couldn’t keep that team together, similar to Chicago.
So I think the thing to take away from Anaheim and Chicago is that you have to take advantage of the small window of time when your top players are “cheap.” Keeping top-tier players at every position isn’t really possible without some players being time-limited value players.
Well, Anaheim’s roster implosion was more because Niedermayer and Selanne kept retiring and un-retiring, so they were in a constant state of flux between contending and rebuilding.
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Both of those guys weren’t really true free-agents, though, and signed for contracts that were quite cheap based on their level of play. I mean, Selanne was playing for like $2 million, and was scoring 20-30 goals.
Point being, Anaheim was getting great value for them even when they were on the roster, but were at the cap limit because their young players and Giguere were getting the bux.
It’s also hard to get awesome, EL contract players without being terrible for a stretch of time. The Sharks have been surprisingly consistant in their winning ways…and thus don’t get good picks. So they contend how they have to…by making trades and paying their talent.
It’s a much more consistant way to always have a shot at the Cup. Winning a Cup is hard…to even be a serious contender is an accomplishment. I fully expect DW’s method to work out eventually.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Lord, I hope so. The gnawing fear that keeps me up at night is that by not ever having to blow up the roster and retool, we’re always going to get leapfrogged by teams that stockpiled picks while they were bad.
Well, if push comes to shove, 2014 the entire roster’s contracts are up anyways…so we can always blow shit up and rebuild then.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If we do that i sense a lot of fans hitting the bottle and hoping for the best.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, rebuilding happens. If we don’t win a cup between now and 2014, we’ll all be alcoholics already anyways.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Didn’t realize how many people will be free agents come 2014. I mean, even Thornton probably will, because he will probably sign his standard 3 year contract after next season.
But man, that’s hella flexibility for 2014. NOBODY is signed after the 2013-14 season.
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It’s going to be interesting to see what happens.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know. I have a feeling DW planned it that way. We’ll be able to sign EVERYBODY!!!! Pull a Miami Heat and get the all the top UFAs for the year.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
In a 1 hour special on TSN,
they will all simultaneously announce “I’m taking my talents to the Silicon Valley to play for the San Jose Sharks”
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m having a 1 hour special on Food Network to tell everyone what I’m having for dinner tonight.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to have one on G4 announcing my next video game purchase.
But now you’re just stealing my thunder.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I call dibs on Syfy!
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
UGH!!!! SCI FI!!!!
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Hey, at least he didn't pick Lifetime.
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I’m a she, and Ang, I hate the way they spell it also. That’s why i picked it.
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by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I PICK E!
because that’s totally me.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ken Tremendous had a good one on Twitter yesterday.
My wife and I welcomed a new baby into the world, yesterday at 7:54 PM. To learn the name, watch “The Decision: Baby Time,” 9PM on ESPN3.
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Haha, yeah, saw that one. He was going off on the day of The Decision too…good times.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The Douchison.
I don’t think SJ has enough nightlife, though. The VIP booths at the Computer History Museum, while nice, just give you a nice view of the PDP-10s.
I considered a one hour special
On my decision whether or not to wake up this morning. I would have put it on the Procrastinators Channel, but then I realized that I was supposed to have started that channel about a month or so back and I still had to do that.
So I went back to sleep.
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It's so we can go all-in for LeBron!!!
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Anaheim wasn't terrible for 10 years before winning the cup.
And the only players they didn’t retain really were Nieds and Selanne who both waffled on retirement and Penner who was overpaid via Edmonton’s offer sheet.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I remember an interview with Gretzky asking him was it age that reduced his speed that led to him changing his game to a more passer oriented role and he denied it, by saying the first thing to go is your hands (for scoring).
by BruinsSelectSeguin on Jul 17, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
lol i don’t think Patty was useless, he DID score like ALL of our goals in the Chicago series. I think Joe and Patty were probably our 2 best players in that series. I think Heatleys poor play (especially defensive play) is what really dragged them down, although it’s hard to blame him when he had a torn groin, i’m impressed he could skate at all.
Patty had as many points as Toews in the series.
and more goals than Byfuglien. I’d say he played pretty okay. haha
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We need Marc Staal
I honestly think there’s very few deals that don’t make sense for him. While a Staal/Boyle pairing is nice, we need to be realistic. Dan Boyle got burnt out last year, and we can’t have him play those kind of minutes, not if we expect him to be useful over the long haul. A Staal/Vlasic pairing on the other hand, that’ll eat 25 minutes a night without batting an eyelash, and letting Dan play about 20 (and by extension limiting Douglas Murray to 20)? Yes please.
Sadly, the reality of investing $21M in our top line makes this virtually impossible. Right now, I’m really regretting Marleau’s contract (hides from lynch mobs).
In a certain conversation that I may or may not have ever had with someone who may or may not have been General Manager of the Sharks, it was noted that defenseman the caliber of Niedermayer, Pronger and Lidstrom almost never move. This could be one of those rare opportunities. If we miss out, I really hope we don’t live to regret it.
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If we miss out? Staal isn’t really availiable…so I’m not sure we’d be missing out on any opportunity at all. (see what you did, Plank and TCY??? :-P)
And I’ll be getting lynched right beside you, I’ve been on the other side of the Marleau camp for a while now.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, seems so obvious
Imagine what this team would have been like had we landed Niedermayer after the lockout or done the trade for Pronger the next off season.
I’d do Seto, McGinn + 1st for Staal in a heartbeat. Maybe add another 1st (or 2nd in 2012). Swapping out Pavs for Seto would be a really tough call.. We do have Couture to take his spot. Only if Pavs wasn’t such a gamer, it’d be an easier call.
Then, move Murray and Huskins if needed.
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd consider Pavs untouchable due to age and two way play
And I’ve warmed to Seto, but potentially elite d-man versus potentially elite winger? I have to value the d-man higher than the winger.
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Sure but..
Doubt the Rags would do the deal if it’s Clowe instead of Seto. If that gets it done, sure
Pavs (slightly) > Seto > Clowe is my ranking
by IsThisTheYear? on Jul 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Seto but I agree for a player of this caliber your looking at Seto or Pavs and Pavs beats out Seto, if Clowe is the guy in the deal your moving more other parts (Players, prospects, picks).
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
I'd be willing to move more to keep Seto.
But then again, I’m not Wilson. He obviously has kept Seto unsigned so that he can be used s a trade chip if need be
obviously?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree
Also trading the most versatile center on your team is how you get worse.
PLANK!!! TCY!!!!
This is causing such a controversy! Maybe you shouldn’t have brought this one to light!
The only bad thing that will come of this is Ryan Garner will write a blog mid year on how DW “missed out” on Marc Staal and doomed us to never win the cup as long as the sky is blue when the reality is in the title… Wishful Thinking.
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
That could happen
or Eklund will write a rumor (if he ever read this blog). I can see it now:
“My sources tell me that the Sharks and Rangers are closing in on a deal that would send Thornton to NY and Staal to the Sharks (e4). You heard it here first.”
What an idiot
Which is of course setting the table for getting Kovalchuk!!
Who’s gonna finish this off? I am going Boyle. - FML! No more OT Predictions from me!
So at least we know THAT isn’t happening.
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Kovalchuk will sign in San Jose before Staal will.
But yes, it’s nice to hope.
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Staal is Canadian!
Your argument is invalid!
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oh god I wouldn’t want that rumor to go around … Kovy to SJ … next thing you know everyone will be trading everyone and their brother for him too … October can’t come soon enough.
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I already feel that way.
Its not even August yet.
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
TRADE MSSJSCLOWIE29 FOR STAAL AND A BLOG MEMBER TO BE NAMED LATER!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...................
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That’s an acceptable trade.
j/k missclowie! we would trade idunno before you.
:)
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well I see why you would want to. I do hold the most trade value…
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You;d be worth at least a regular blogger and a low level moderator.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
its totally fine with me to trade me
there’s new tail to chase after :D
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
oh and zing man ow
I regularly comment I’m not positive i’m a regular and I’m definitely the one being moderated so trade me in for a bag of pucks…:( I’m like the Huskins or Staubie of FTF. :(
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you’re the clowe. We like you, we just might have to trade you for salary cap reasons…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, I was writing this exact statement.
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Great minds…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
OH OWWWWWWWWWWW
its like dogs looking like thieir owners…harsh but true you are who you pick…:(
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I’d rather be Clowe than Huskins!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
psh FOR SURE
Clowe still has some talent :P
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
oh burn!
on Huskins
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He's peeling what's left of his skin off fo sho.
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can't compare Clowie to Stauby
they both spend an ass load of time in the bin…:)
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
:( that makes me really sad
at least they get pucks for me. :P
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't idunno723 have an NTC?
We could always waive him to free up cap space……
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
you can't waive the man
that’s like saying waive Pavy! He’s great but he’s not top line material just yet…he’s still below Plank TCY and Mr. K!
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
But why not get them both! After we trade Heatley for Staal, we use the extra cap space to sign Kovalchuk to a 7.5 million dollar IWANNAWINACUP-contract.
BOOM:
FORWARDS
- Ilya Kovalchuk ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
Cameron MacIntyre ($0.600m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
Andrew Desjardins ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Marc Staal ($4.200m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / * Ian White ($2.000m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $60.304m; CAP ROOM: $0.026m; BONUSES: $0.930m
INSTANT CUP WINNER, I HOPE I JUST BLEW SOME MINDS.
That would be a great rumor
“Kovy to SJ” will put a bunch of hockey fans in a fit!
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Boston likes giving it away
so why not grab Savard in the dump of Thornton for Staal.
please please please quote me Eck.
'It's amazing the clarity that comes with psychotic jealousy.'
Trade winds are blowing
My sources tell me a blockbuster three way deal between the Bruins, Rangers and Sharks is in the works! (e3)
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if clowey is gone then who becomes our “mule” so to speak type player
1st comment btw been following this site for some time just finally decided to make a name
Clowe HASN'T been our "mule"
So, really, it could be anyone. When Heater is healthy, he does a decent job scoring ugly goals in front of the net.
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true true
he has the complete build for it though i wish he’d be in front of the net more and is very physical. i guess what i’m trying to say is who will be the guy that can muscle his way around the front of the net besides mclaren.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So the point of this article was we're not getting Marc Staal.
I’m sad.
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odd question...
anybody know a good men’s hair cut place in the mountian view area??
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions
wait
did you meet us today? Look at where this thing is going…LOL I’m sure the randomness fits in just perfect. :P
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"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Great Clips at Blossom Hill shopping center or whatever it's called?
That’s the only one I can think of.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
omg Marc Staal?? YESSS I've been waiting for this day lol.
Whyy does SBNation have to crash on the day that I can finally talk about Marc Staal without feeling too guilty??
Marc Staal would be AMAZING, he’s exactly what we need and i think he’s exactly the kind of player DW has been looking for on our blueline. I don’t think it’s that impossible to get him. DW is good at getting what he wants and i can’t imagine he doesn’t want Marc Staal.
Personally i’d be willing to trade guys like Clowe, Murray, Mitchell, and even Heatley for him; as well as ALL of our draft picks lol.
Wouldn’t Murray might have some value to the Rangers? He’s big, strong, and physical, all of which are qualities the NYR’s seem to like. I could see him playing well alongside Dan Girardi, a guy who’s a solid defenseman with some real offensive upside. Couldn’t we do a trade like, Clowe + Murray + whatever draft picks are necessary? Maybe throw in a prospect like Ferriero or even Stalock if he has any real value to them.
I see Marc Staal as being the next Chris Pronger. I really think he could be exactly what we need to get us over that hump in the playoffs.
I don’t think we should trade Stalock (they have lundquist. And for me, to get Staal, we would have to lose something that would hurt and make us think twice before doing the trade – that’s how good Staal is. I think a more realistic trade would include Setoguchi, Murray and two firsts.
I like Setoguchi, I like him a lot, but like I said before, a trade of this caliber is going to have to make Sather even interested in it. If we could trade Clowe instead, hell (assuming that a trade even does happen), I’ll be so happy.
by kiwi93 on Jul 16, 2010 1:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Aren’t the rangers looking for a center? I would think Sather would be asking for Logan Couture to be included in a deal, but we can’t trade him, he’s got too much potential and his cap hit is too low for us to replace him.
Why can’t we just offer the NYR all the picks they could ever want, + clowe and murray? (assuming they have interest in them, which they should really)
To be honest, I might think about trading Couture. But the trade then couldn’t Include Clowe or Setoguchi.
by kiwi93 on Jul 16, 2010 2:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think about it if the Rangers were set on him. It’d still be hard
by kiwi93 on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The only reason i say we can’t trade Couture is because we wouldn’t be able to get under the cap after signing Marc Staal to a 4+ mill contract while also retaining Seto and Clowe.
Maybe if we dropped mitchell as well and got lucky with signing prices, but then who would center our 3rd line if not Couture or Mitchell? We wouldn’t have cap space to sign another good 3rd line center.
Having a guy like Couture who can play in the top 6, or as our 3rd line center at only a 1.2 million dollar cap hit is just invaluable really. If we traded him we’d be losing a great player, and we’d essentially be like losing 2.4 million potential cap space. (since Couture could play top 6 and is 2.4 million cheaper than Clowe)
Don't forget Leach
has a 2-way contract, so he’s not a shoe-in to make the team on a full-time basis.
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Trade Heatley and pick/prospect to Tampa for Malone and Hedman.
Trade Clowe, Murray and 1st for Staal
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
- Malone ($4.500m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / * Modano ($1.500m) / Jamie McGinn ($0.997m)
Cameron MacIntyre ($0.600m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Frazer McLaren ($0.543m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Staal ($4.500m) - Hedman ($3.500m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $56.496m; CAP ROOM: $3.619m; BONUSES: $0.715m
That won't work.
No way Tampa gives away Hedman.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the heat, Ivano.
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It is bloody hot today. And it’s Friday – makes sense I guess.
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Did you see the Fanshot? Looks like he was interviewed in Los Gatos.
Which leads me to the question, why on earth would you name a town “The Cats?”
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Yes, read the article in the Russian paper today.
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One of my friends lives in a town called Palos Hills. Literally, it means Hills Hills.
I still think “The Cats” wins, though.
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Fools and Sages
I have no idea how my mind made the leap
but this just makes me think of the Aristocrats movie (not the stupid Disney cartoon, the one on the old joke).
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WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
*Grabs the vodka bottle.
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I’m too pleased with life to be too angry right now. Although Thornton bashers get to me sometimes. I’m pretty pro-Thornton…lol.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, I watch playoff games and he never really stands out to me as the reason we’re not getting as far as we should. Sure, there are a few turnovers that really get to me, but others drive me insane far more regularly.
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THORNTON WILL NEVER WIN A CUP!!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
I sign on and I immediately thought, “WTF is going on here?”
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Fools and Sages
Thornton is not Toews, Staal needs to come here for Heatley, Murray, and all our picks ever. Oh, and we’re all going to die.
I think that sums it up!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And a bag full of

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by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 5:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You’ve been around long enough to know better than to ask that question.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
True. But I thought we got over the whole Thornton thing.
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Fools and Sages
Smile and nodding seems to work really well. Everyone is going crazy right now.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, here is my dream outcome of this year’s offseason.
Thornton, Heatley, Marleau to Washington for Ovechkin, Semin. Boyle and Demers to Montreal for Markov. Fin and German GK to Phoenix for Bryzgalov. Murray and Vlasic to NJ for Volcnenkov. Clowe, Seto, Pavs to Penguins for Malkin. McGinn, Couture and Nichol for Filatov and Kabanov in a multi-team trade. Remaining cap space is used to sign Kovalchuk, Frolov and Nabby, and a bunch of KHL NHL-wannabes. Plank to Detroit for Datyuk.
Who’s with me? Rec’ it.
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by Ivano M on Jul 16, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The Russian olympic team with a better coach?
Fuck it, I’m in!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, comrade.
A coach who won’t keep Datsyuk on a bench in a shootout.
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Living in a fantasy world is fun, isn’t it?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hops on the bus.
Are we there yet?

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ROFL!
Nice picture!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Are those the actual Chicago bandwagons?
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 9:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
Scary, isn’t it?
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Imagine what will happen to it once it hits even one minor speed bump!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 17, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect that it will happen their first game next year.
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WOW...
everyone who’s name I can barely pronounce! But with practice I can whole-heartedly welcome this new team! WIN US A CUP YOU RUSSIANS! :)
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by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is no longer rosterbation.
It’s roster-rape.
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by idunno723 on Jul 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I need to make one modification
Boyle legally changes his last name to Boyalokov and Pavelski legally changes his last name to Pavlov. Both those players are not traded and remain in teal.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Howabout
Clowelovkin….
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly it would be Clowechkin!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that a kama sutra position you want to try with Ryane?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Damnit!
How many times did I tell you get out of my brain!
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
After reading my comments on this board
Are you still under the delusion that I listen to what other people have to say?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
LOL!
That’s so true!! You make your point and glaze over everyone elses. :P
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m ok with that. But I think very quickly Boyle will kill Semin, so he’ll go to jail.
But if Markov can get a Canadian passport, I’m sure Pavelski can get a Russian one too. And then get arrested a spy.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Spying on the Russian Olympic team for 2014! Woot!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In this world
The Sharks have a red 3rd jersey.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Bitch please
I’m Dan F***ing Boyle.
The only reason I’m not Dan M*****F***ing Boyle is because your mom died of how awesome I am.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
by ElvisVF101 on Jul 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Semin has that look of “Oh shit, I don’t think bongo punches will work on this guy”
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Can’t wait till the two meet again.
Should be a big blood bath.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
February 8 and 17.
Fun.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Since Ovechkin came to the league, guess who didn’t miss a single game he’s played at HP Pavilion?
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
(and "your mom" doesn't count.)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
That's awesome, Ivano.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Ok, THAT is even more awesome.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Poor Boosh :(
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
We’ll see plenty of this kind of crap in the years to come with less mobile goaltenders.
Get ready.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
That’s a pretty lucky goal.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He couldn’t repeat it at the All Star game. I doubt we’ll see see a goal like this in our lives.
Pure art.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
It’s those Fluke goals that are truly mystifying and beautiful.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They'd look like the China Sharks
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
I'm always forgetting about that league.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
2010-11 SAN JOSE SHARKS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
- Ovechkin, Alex ($9.538m) / * Datsyuk, Pavel ($6.700m) / * Kovalchuk, Ilya ($10.000m)
- Frolov, Alex ($5.000m) / * Malkin, Evgeni ($8.700m) / * Semin, Alex ($6.000m)
- Filatov, Nikita ($2.195m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m) / * Kabanov, Kirill ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN - Markov, Andrei ($5.750m) / * Volchenkov, Anton ($4.250m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Kent Huskins ($1.700m)
Jay Leach ($0.500m)
GOALTENDERS - Evgeni Nabokov ($6.000m) / * Bryzgalov, Ilya ($4.250m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 16; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $75.577m; CAP ROOM: $-16.177m; BONUSES: $0.000m
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
OMG
You people are bat-shit crazy.
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
The fanbase is a reflection of our bloggers
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
A reflection of your mom.
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Dayum, mom sure is coming out a lot.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
You people?
What do you mean by you people?
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
My avatar is of african descent
and is offended by the connotation that is implied by this comment.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
You people...
Meaning female college students who go to USC.
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit!
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAlVKgl_zCQ
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I'm afraid to click it....yet I cannot resist...>click!<
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
ATTITUDE REFLECTS LEADERSHIP!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS LEFT SIDE!!!!
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
STRONG SIDE!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember the Titans reference?
Do I win a prize now?
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm not just a Sharks fan but a Lakers, 49ers, Angels, Giants (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans fan.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Your medal is in the mail...
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you work for the Blackhawks front office?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
That's "Blackhjawks" to you, mister.
(is it too early?)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
*cries*
noooooooo hammer! NOOOOOOO
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
…it’s all going according to plan!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I'd like to thank the Academy....
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm not just a Sharks fan but a Lakers, 49ers, Angels, Giants (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans fan.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Aw, crap. All these years I thought it was altitude.
(Climbs off the roof).
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Only the iPhone thinks so
(I have one, so I relate to autocorrect issues)
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I'm wondering if the droid phones are any better in that respect.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Since this thread is already jacked up...
and were obviously hockey deprived. Remember last off-season when Plank suggested this?
Coming to a computer near you on some serious tape delay via Hulu.com, it’s a mothatruckin’ open thread of epic proportions. Game seven of the Western Conference Quarterfinals. Jarome Iginla and the hated Calgary Flames. An entire season boiling down to sixty minutes. Can the Sharks rebound from getting shut out in game six? Will Soupy make another soft play along the defensive zone boards? Can the wily veteran Jeremmmmy Roeeeeeeniiiiick save the day? Tune in Tuesday at 7:00 PM to find out!!!
Would anybody actually be interested in doing this?
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club !!
YES
I’ve been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for that to happen since he posted it. And let me tell you, sitting on the edge is pretty uncomfortable. The edge digs into your butt.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
I was hoping that Hulu had Game 5 of the Detroit series (because you can’t watch that enough), but they didn’t :(
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
IT'S BECAUSE DW HATES HIM!
Found out his last name is actually Setoguchov…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Seriously, though.
I’m starting to wonder if he is part of an evil plan™
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Remember way back when Plank asked nicely for everyone to remain on topic. I think we have failed.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
The topic of this post was Wishful Thinking
Much like staying on-topic…
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
ha ha! so in my wishful thinking we can have Nabby back :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
He's keeping the house, so who knows?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I like Angy’s wishful thinking.
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Epic Fail.

"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH *OW!*
(that was the punch I got for waking up my wife…LOL!)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I think Plank would appreciate if comments like this were kept in the OT threads.
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club !!
weren’t you traded already? :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
It hasn’t been approved by the commissioner yet.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Can’t be approved by the commissioner until he waives his NTC, I’d suspect…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
List of hockey blogs I’d consider waiving my NTC include Couch Tarts, Sharkspage, and The Chum Bucket.
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club !!
Sorry. I only have a deal in place with Winging it in Motown to bring back two minor league blog commenters and the 2nd round pick in 2011. They say they have your tin foil hat ready once you approve the trade!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing Fools and Sages is the Edmonton of the blogging world.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
WTF is Edmonton?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
(and yes, that was a joke)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I think it's more of the Florida of the blogging world
Everyone kinda forgets its there, and then they’re all like, “Oh wait, yeah, there’s a blog there!”
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I’d consider a trade to Fools and Sages on two conditions. First, I get full access to Pokecheck, and second, I can still write in my own blog.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Pokecheck is an automatic perk that comes with Fools and Sages, but I don’t think I can give up the exclusivity rights, sorry.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
What is pokecheck?
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
It's where beginner should go to learn about hockey
http://foolsandsages.net/pokecheck/
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Notice that your hit count just went up by 30.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Under teams, does it list "SJ Sharks" and "Everyone else"? ;-)
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I had to make a web site for a class last semester, and so I made a beginner’s guide to hockey. I called it Pokecheck.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Snazy
I like. I’ll link the uninitiated to it.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Woohoo!
And I just discovered a part of the site that I forgot to write and left a placeholder. Oops.
…Oh well. I also need to update the IIHF rankings. I’ll do that later.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Yeah, Pokecheck is pretty sweet, actually. It’s well done and a good initiation for the uneducated.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
/created the entire thing in two weeks
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
That’s talent right there!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not sleeping/studying for other finals right there.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
What if I kept my personal blog non-hockey related?
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, as long as there was no mention of hockey at all, I would think that wouldn’t violate the exclusivity terms.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
*runs to get a better offer from FTF (negotiation tactics ftw!)
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re just jealous because I have a higher cap hit!
Proud member of the "Bring back Semenov" Club !!
Really, how much do you get paid?
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Timeline:
Plank and TCY say this is wishful thinking and post a story about Marc Staal. —> People talk about Marc Staal (except for me, who laughs because it’s wishful thinking) -→ Someone says we should trade Thornton -→ People get angry —> People stop taking thread seriously -→ I trade mssjsclowie —→ All hell breaks loose.
So, yeah, my bad!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wish dashes didn’t cross shit out. Those are supposed to be arrows…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel I haven’t recieved any of the credit of the downfall of this thread.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
No, youre in there! “People get mad.” That’s you!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Or enough credit for the downfall of this board!
by skilletboy on Jul 16, 2010 10:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
bottom line, I knew we could blame a male for this mess … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
I always blame it on the bossanova
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
So....
Open invitation that this is your fault?
"Don't even start"
by ZombieSkittles on Jul 16, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't me! It was the one armed man!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I’m awesome enough to take the blame on this one…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
oh so wait...
do I stop commenting now since I got traded? LOL!
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The trade is still pending. Right now you are still FTF property. The GM will call you personally if the trade goes through.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
:(
sad puppy.
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t have the authority to trade anyone. It would be like the mustache zamboni guy making a move for Datsyuk.
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll trade whoever I want! BOO-YAH!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve been demoted to the AHL.
Fear the Fin: Sharing Joe Thornton's love of wooly mammoths since 2009.
by Matthew_Taylor on Jul 16, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
demoted to WTC comments?
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
I DEMAND A TRADE!
But I’ll only go to Washington’s blog…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Take it with the demands.
They could put you on waivers where you’ll likely get picked up by Atlanta’s blog.
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
But then they’d lose me for nothing…and no one wants that! Be a waste… :-P
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
BWAHAHAHAHAH!
High-5’s TCY!
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Fear the Fin: Where On-Topic Threads Go To Die.
That’s not very catchy.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm not just a Sharks fan but a Lakers, 49ers, Angels, Giants (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans fan.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fear the Fin
Off Topic since-
-TWSS!!!
-…
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
I think that sums us up rather nicely.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm not just a Sharks fan but a Lakers, 49ers, Angels, Giants (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans fan.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what the Execs are thinking at SB Nation right now?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Page hits
$$$
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
Back on topic
We need a Staal. The Sharks have always had family connections. Joe and Scott Thornton, Milan Michalek’s big brother Zybek playing for a Division Rival, Darryl Sutter as coach linking us to the Sutter Clan, drafting the Ferreiro Brothers. It’s only fair we get in on the Staal Clan.
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
One of Sutter's brothers even played for the Sharks for a little bit.
Now all that is missing are the Staals and the Howes.
Don't let the name deceive you, I'm not just a Sharks fan but a Lakers, 49ers, Angels, Giants (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans fan.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 16, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
WE NEED STAAL
or A STAAL but how do we get him???
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Most awesome vanity license plate EVER
Also, if you can’t see the frame due to low quality, it’s a vintage San Jose Sharks license plate holder.

"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Jul 16, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
d-railed.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
er after me being traded
I sure didn’t have a productive afternoon :(
High sticking, tripping, slashing, spearing, charging, hooking, fighting, unsportsmanlike conduct, interference, roughing… everything else is just figure skating.
- Anonymous
"My hope is that we put him (Couture) on a line with Seto and CloweThen you get the Coochy-Goochy-Clowe line." - Cerise
by mssjsclowie29 on Jul 16, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Friday and Productive
are mutually exclusive
They're not getting this kind of coverage at "Hockey Night In Canada" folks! - Randy Hahn
it's that awkward hour...
…too early to leave work and not be noticed, but too late to start anything meaningful.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Actually, yes
More productive than I usually am, that is.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Doug Wilson for Governor" Club
Fools and Sages
Yup!
Usually I’m home by now on Fridays…but today I’m still at work doing things. Well, I was, until the people I was working with through e-mail disappeared. It’s 7pm in Toronto, so I suspect they went home…which means I can go home too, yay!
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally OT.
Any good movies to see in a movie theater these days? Haven’t been in a while, but going tonight.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Inception came out today…that’s supposed to be pretty good.
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Salt too – hot Russian spy!!
But I hate standing in a line for an hour.
Fear the Fin - where Russians are underappreciated.
Is Angie Russian? Or just for the movie?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Everyone went home, didn't they?
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
It died once FTF started working for me again.
"I just twoted all over the place!"
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
Proud founder of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Home is wonderful…although I do miss the AC at the office…
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Help me find a hirez of this guys
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Retarded AP won't let me buy it due to license restrictions.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Thanks idunno.
Y’know, someone needs to make an image search engine.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Driving me crazy. I *can* buy it from the AP, but i's 59 bucks, and it's for commercial use. 8 megapixel, I think.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
I found contact info for the photographer.
I just dropped him a note and told him what we’re doing, and what I’d like to use it for. Crossing fingers.
"Never start a fight, but ALWAYS finish it."
Bleeding teal since 1997
Founder: Retire Teal #20 with Honors Club
Okay. So now that this has gone... nowhere...
I think that someone should photo shop Staal into a teal jersey – just like Hammer
Rosterbation…
Trade with Blues:
Heatley for McDonald and Pietrangelo
Trade with Rangers:
Clowe, Murray and a 1st for M. Staal
Trade with Flyers:
McDonald for Briere
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.200m) / * Devin Setoguchi ($3.200m)
- Briere ($6.500m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Logan Couture ($1.242m)
Jamie McGinn ($0.997m) / * Modano ($2.000m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.367m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.543m) / Scott Nichol ($0.760m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / * Staal ($4.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / * Pietrangelo ($3.200m)
Niclas Wallin ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($0.543m)
GOALTENDERS
Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 20; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.328m;
PAYROLL: $58.946m; CAP ROOM: $1.384m; BONUSES: $0.930m
too much for Modano...
switch Briere w/ Seto in lines but who cares…otherwise, meh not bad, and we’d have some money left for trades :p
Go Sharks!
This rosterbation is out of control.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosterbation guidelines:
Does it fit under the cap? If yes PLAUSIBLE
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Mom says you'll go blind if you do that too much!!
by skilletboy on Jul 17, 2010 6:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes
I like those trades and signing’s but I would replace Ryan Clowe with Devin Setoguchi.I would be extremely happy with that roster.But too much for Modano replace him with Afinogenov.And put Torrey at center.I would like to get rid of Heatley U never liked that deal he did.1.384 left.Maybe we could re-sign Ortmeyer,then sign Semonov or Ozolinsh???
GO SHARKS GO
by Thorntonfan19 on Jul 21, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It was my b-day this week
so I have been way too epicely drunk/stoned to make specific roster comments. All I will say though is that: trade Seto/clowe if need be, keep murray at all costs, and remember that this is the year. we just came off a wcf appearance and so we need to capitalize on vancouver’s over-abundance of defensemen. They think that reinforcing their d is the answer when none of their forwards besides kesler have the balls to get them to the stanley cup in terms of putting yourself in the line of fire for that odd deflection, etc that will get you over the top. we need some of their reject defensemen which will come cheaper to us and will be adequate to support our godly offense.
Clowe to Pittsburgh for one of their Defenseman seems legit.
Brooks Orpik is from the City! I can dream right….
Seriously, the Penguins have a ton of legit defenseman, word is they’re looking for a winger.
If we did trade Clowey for a top 4 blueliner, we would need to go sign a vet foward of some kind, its becoming slim pickins so we would need to make this move soon.
I'd like to see Teeth fight Parros
That would be funny!
"iaT"S FUCKINGE LIEK CONICO DO MAYO!!!!!111"
Mr. K. 5/5/2009
Realy???
I thought McGinn could replace him.
GO SHARKS GO
by Thorntonfan19 on Jul 21, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Staal Talks Stalled?
You are freaking out us RANGERS fans – STAY IN YOUR OWN DIVISION. ;) Let us know what you guys think over at www.thedarkranger.com — we are pissed at SLATS and management for not locking up Marc Staal immediately. I wish our own team believed in him as much as apparently The Sharks believe in him.
We hope he remains a Ranger! Sorry folks…
tdr

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